Yeah, Mike go down to Business! He was supposed to be the Best ever!Quote:
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Yeah, Mike go down to Business! He was supposed to be the Best ever!Quote:
Originally Posted by ali2coolwitu
hes not supposed to be..he is! lol nobody can win their first 15 fights by knock out and most of them in the first round..and all of them in less then 3!
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Originally Posted by ali2coolwitu
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Originally Posted by means2184
i got respect for ali.. ali is my first name too and im persian like he is. um..i heard he was persian but im not sure lol...but i love the guy. I just think tyson is the best
Lewis Frazier in 5... WTF@!!!! Outbox Foreman.... weak chin HAHA.ÂQuote:
Originally Posted by ROCKY MARSHMELLOW
39??? hahah
That's it, this yank is calling it quits with this brit! No more, this is going nowhere, with someone who has no perspective on boxers. And belittling young Cassius' masterpiece with KO artist Liston, and saying that the second fight there was a Phantom punch!! The reason why it was so "phantom" is because it was too fast. ;D
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If you think.....IF YOU THINK... Lennox could do all that AND MORE,
Lennox SHOULD HAVE BEEN CHAMP BEFORE THE AGE OF 22 and UNDEFEATED for a looong time (much like Joe Louis' reign, which was over 10 years being an Unbeaten Champ).Â
Rocky, He's freaking walking on water here! You make him sound like the Messiah of Heavyweight Boxing!
If Cassius Ali thinks hes the greatest then he would come out of retirement and challenge Lennox Lewis to a bout in England, but he wont cuz he's a p***y! ;D
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Originally Posted by gyrokai
So anyone that says Tyson or Ali was the best ever then its ok ....... Listen Gyrokai or what ever your name is, you obivously have your head up Ali's ass that much you need beathing aparatus. You know fuck all about anything and I wouldn't be surprised if you actually thought what I was thinking and just wouldn't believe it.
Frazier and Foreman, fucking most over rated fighters ever, actually any fucking Ali opponent is by far to over rated, have you fuking watched Norton fight ??? he is fucking poor, Frazier wasa 5ft 8 dwarf with 1 punch the left hook, Foreman made his name off beating that dwarf with them 2 wins, the first one looked blag as fuck, were Frazier does that silly jump on to his knee with the delayed reaction, FUCKING BLAG AS FUCK !!
Its like any fighter that fought with Ali is automatically fucking a great fighter, But Lewis's were all past their best or bums !!
Well sorry my Yankydoodledandy friends, he beat everyone that was there to be beat in his career and finished on the top unlike Ali !!
You say Lewis should of been champ before he was 22 ..... what the fuck doe sthat have to do with anything ??? Ali was 22 when he won the title ...... what the fuck does that have to do with anything, Lewis won it at 26 but could of easierly won it off Bowe a year or 2 earlier, just because Bowe wouldn't fight him because he knew he would of been beat up bad !!
And winning the title at a really young age didn't do Tyson any good, his career was practically over by the time he was 24 !!
1-Frazier was not 5'8 he was 5'11
2-Forman & Frazier both won gold medals
3-anyone who KO's Norton AND frazier in 2 rounds is not over rated
(considering they beat ALI indecisions
4-Frazier KO'd/tko'd jimmy ellis ,Jerry quarry ,bonovena,Buster mathis .....ALL VERY GOOD FIGHTERS....over rated?
5-"all frazier had was aleft hook"? maybe in the video games but not in real life (ko'd mathis w/ a right)
MARSHMELLOW YOUR A JOKE .....GO PLAY PLAYSTATION SOME MORE
NAME 2 FIGHTS THAT WERE OF THE EQUIVILENT OF ANY OF ALI'S SUPER FIGHTS HE WON.....
HOWMANY FIGHTS WAS LEWIS AN UNDERDOG AND WON??
HOW MANY TIMES DID LEWIS MAKE A SUCCESSFULL COMEBACK?
ERNIE TERREL WOULD HAVE DONE NOBETTER THAN LEWIS CONDSIDERING THEY BOX THE SAME
HOW CAN SOMEONE COMPARE LEWIS'S BRITTISH STYLE TO ALI? EXCEPT FOR A JAB & THAT THEY MOVE??
NEWS FLASH! ALL GOOD BOXERS "pinpoint" JAB's & MOVE THEYRE FEET MARSHMELLOW
I WOULD PUT MONEY ON IT THAT YOU CLEARLY HAVE NOT SEEN MANY FRAZIER/FOREMAN/LISTON FIGHTS.....LISTON LOOKED MORE LIKE ALI WHEN HE BOXED OUT A DESICION AGAINST WHITEHURST (A FIGHT I'M SURE YOU NEVER SAW ON ESPN CLASSIC)
the reason ali is great is he beat GREAT fighters ....some where great before he came into teh picture ...some nobody could picture ali beating ..but he did
LEWIS IS CONSIDERED BORING BECAUSE HE COULDNT STOP TUA
AND CAUSE HE GOT BEAT UP BY KLITSCHKO
SO WHAT IF HE CUT KLITSCHKO ...LEWIS ONLY WON 1 OF THE ROUNDS ...WHILE VITALI BOXED CIRCLES AROUND HIM LETTING HIS LEFT HANG LOW....but oh yea lewis is more like ALi?
In comparing all fighter's resumes, Ali beat better boxers than any of them. He had a lot of charisma too. Lewis is boring because for one, he is too arrogant. He promised Klitchko a rematch and then he reniged on it. We can't also forget that while people knock Tyson for the loses that he had to boxers like Buster Douglas, Lewis also got beat by Oliver McCall and would have got beaten again by him hadn't McCall broke down and had a fit!
the Rock told us in the movie the Rundown, that Ali would beat tyson.
i guess that about sums it up :P
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Originally Posted by drgoodlooking
This is the best I have seen ...... 1. I am not talking about personalities, We are talking about boxing
2. TUA .... name anyone that has stopped TUA, also did TUA win a round against Lewis, the fight was boring because TUA could not fight his fight, what do you expect Lewis to do have a inside fight with TUA when he has about 7inch height advantage and about 10 inch reach advantage, thats 1 boring fight, Roy Jones career has alot more boring fights, bitch about him ???
3. You go off the Klitszcho fight, Ok well Lewis got a 6 round stoppage and destroyed his face, at 39 years of age Lets see how Ali did in his last fight against Trevor Berbick at 38.
4. Now this is the best, MCcall would of beat Lewis if he had not broken down like a crying bitch, did you see that fight ??? talk about getting your punched in .... LMAO Lewis and McCall could fight 100 times and McCall would only come away with that Lucky punch win and Lewis was up at 7 on his feet, Why was Holyfield allowed to carry on against Bowe when he was clearly fucked up but the Ref stopped Lewis straight away. Dodgey stoppage
Have you noticed something I don't slag Ali off, how could I, I am boxing fan. But you lot have got a bad serious problem with Lewis, If he was American you wouldn't be talking about him like that. Not a fucking chance, I think the fact that he retired on top unlike Ali and he beat every known Heavyweight in his era and from the last 15 years ... well the ones who had balls to face him, I think it really pisses you lot off !!
Face facts ....... He was the best of our time, and Because the size of him and the way he used his advantages to perfection, I find it hard to see anyone beating him, especially the Lewis that fought Golata and in the Rahman 2 fight.
1 more thing, I hear all the excuses in the world for Tyson and Holyfield and Ali... the Rahman defeat was Lewis not training for the fight properly and taking Rahman lightly. The rematch though........ people talk about Rocky Marciano's punch against Wallcott being the hardest ...... Bollox, That big right hand off Lewis that knocked Rahman out a round earlier than what Raman got aswell, one of the best punches ever, took his head clean off !! ....... What a class act !!
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Originally Posted by means2184
Lewis never went to stop Tua he boxed him, just like the sport Boxing. Tua was ineffectual in the fight, go slag him off ::)
Hey look everyone. It's Glass Joe from Mike Tyson's Punchout!Quote:
Originally Posted by GlassJoe
Marshmellow-"3. You go off the Klitszcho fight, Ok well Lewis got a 6 round stoppage and destroyed his face, at 39 years of age Lets see how Ali did in his last fight against Trevor Berbick at 38'
Ali had parkinsons his last 3 fighst so theres why he declined so fast from 35-on
All it takes is one punch to cut someone ...Lewis was being out punched & was slower than klitschko's was workin his "pin point" jabs & 1-2's while lewis through wide right hands & was (by Larry merchents opinion fatigued by the 4th round")
Then, Berbick only won a boring, no-knockdown, slim decision over 38 year old Ali. See what happened to him when he fought someone in good condition and in their prime. Tyson hit him and had him stumbling all over like a drunk man!Quote:
Originally Posted by means2184
If you know anything about me, a yank, you know that I don't go for fighters because they are AMERICAN.
Don't make this an AMERICAN issue here! I like Ali because he's American!!! What the F*ck are you talking about! Kostya Tszyu, Vitaly Klitschko, Erik Morales, Rick Hatton are all up there on for my favorite fighters list. I'd rather see Kostya Tszyu fight than Bernard Hopkins. So, it's not about AMERICAN FIGHTERS! Amir Kahn B*tch! Bet you didn't know I'm pulling for him too!
Lennox is the best? Cool, that's your opinion, but the fact that you think I am pulling for Ali because he's American. That's totally judgemental.
You know what? I can see Lennox being the best. I really can. He fought and beat everybody, aside from the quick knockouts he's suffered. As a fight fan, to not acknowlege Ali's career as amazing or LEGENDARY is completely stupid. If your going to downplay his showings of Liston, Frazier, Norton, Foreman... You Obviously don't know your boxing history or have a perspective on the sport.
So I'm going to end this with, yes Lennox is the BEST, and I will acknowlege his reign as legendary. And this conversation is now ridiculous, because I think Ali is the best! So stop believing that yanks like Ali because he's a yank and that maybe, just maybe, they think he's the best because he was a badass.
:coolclick: For the arguments.
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Originally Posted by means2184
Excuses again, why is there always a excuse. But Lewis has a couple of dodgey rounds in a fight and its like the end of the world. Lewis beat the next top heavyweight at 39, no other champion has retired in that way, Marciano retired after beating a old man. Ali retired not been able to speak and looking pathetic in the ring !!
Lewis beat Klitzscho in 6 rounds, Klitszcho's face just could not handle them booming uppercuts and the big right hands, Lewis didn't even throw any jabs in this fight, he didn't need to... He knew he was the better man, and anyone who knows boxing a little bit know's Lewis was the man, not alot of yanks like to admit like, but still I know the truth !!
Oi you fucking yank FUCK ..... Its a well known fact that you fucking Yanks hate Lewis, all your boxers fucking dodged him enough, and then when he boxed Holyfield's head clean off for 12 rounds you YANK fucks pull out the worst decision ever !!
So I never said you like fighters that are american ... I said you dont like Lewis because he was British and he was the best. Look at the facts and the record books..... Your poor excuse's dont mean shit, and thats all they are poor excuse's. Sad cunt
Yes, a lot of Americans are self-righteous. Also, a lot of Americans today hate Ali. They hate him for not fighting in the Vietnam war.
I see your point. Ok?
If heavyweights keep getting bigger, it's going to be ridiculous to compare Marciano, Ali, Dempsy, and Lewis. It's all going to boil to pound-for-pound heavweight arguements. I like Ali for his story, he just kept winning, blows everybody away, coming back from exile, winning again, fight of the century he lost, has another comeback, keeps winning, another comeback, then KO's Big George in eight. Can't get any more dynamic than that in my opinion.
Lewis can be the best, there I said it!
And means, all those coolclicks are probably from me, because I think your right for the most part.
Sorry for not arguing till the end, but I can only argue for only two or three thread pages. ;D
Um..just incase u didnt know lewis is over. He will never get better, he is done and gone. His prime was back and it still wasnt good enough to beat mike or ali in their primes, so Lewis can get out of this convo now. The only ones who can actually contend for the best ever is ali or mike..i think its close but i choose mike. Ive also defended it in past posts...PEACE
No contest!
Tyson simply does not possess to fighting heart to live with Ali!!
Ali in his prime (1966/7) would have danced the night away & TKO'd Tyson on cuts. Bear in mind that we never saw the real prime Ali, because he would have been in his peak from about 1967 -1971!
Even the older 70's Ali would have beaten a peak Tyson by lying on the ropes & telling him how ugly he was!!!!! :lickish: :D ;D ;)
I dont get how ppl give mike a chancee. Not even foreman who was bigger than tyson could manhandle him so how could tyson. Ali would hit tyson with the jab all night long.
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Originally Posted by ali2coolwitu
Just in case you didn't know Tyson is over, Â he will never get better he has been over for the last 10 years. Â Â How can someone who got beat by Buster Douglas, Holyfield twice, Â destroyed by Lennox Lewis and then beat by Danny Williams of all people be considered the best heavyweight ever.
People jump on Lewis for his 2 losses, Â but the fact is he should of been able to carry on against McCall and he was 36 when he got beat by Rahman and I think he just took him to lightly, Â but he proved that they were not in his league in the rematches !!
Dude i never said mike tyson will become amazing again(although i believe there might be a chance if he works his guts out) but his prime can kill anybody. And Lewis is done growing, we have seen his prime, and he can get knocked out easily by tyson or ali in their prime.
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Originally Posted by ali2coolwitu
I think Lewis would have more trouble with a prime Tyson than a prime Ali, styles make fights and I have weighed up Ali's style and size and power and I cant see how he could beat Lewis.
As for Tyson, he never fought anyone in his prime ths size and in the same league as Lewis, but that can be said about Lewis not fighting someone of Tyson's calibre in his prime, so we will never know.
But you have to go off the facts, and 90's heavy's were not far behind the 70's in quality and Lewis proved the dominate heavyweight just like Ali did in the 60s and 70's, actually Lewis dominated more !!
I would put money on it if Tyson had the same record as Lewis, exactly the same and the same opponents on his record and the beat every man he faced record and 3 time heavyweight champion and Olympic gold he would be considered the best ever by alot more people.
I hear some people on here and they sort of laugh it off about Lewis even been close, well got news for you Lewis haters, he was right up there in the top 3 if not the best ever !!
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Originally Posted by ROCKY MARSHMELLOW
:coolclick: thanks man lolQuote:
Originally Posted by gyrokai
yea i may have too much spare time lately ;D
excuses??
Lewis excuse for winning against klitschko was he cut vitali
vitali was beating up Lewis & Lewis was tired .....Lewis got the W but if you saw the fight its anything but somthin to brag about for Lewis
i mean Lewis is the only boxer to come out of brittain that is very good so i dont blame you running with "Lewis is greatest of all times"
I'M STARTING TO LIKE BEING CALLED A YANK :dance1: :army:
See you have got to mention a fighter that is from the Ukraine/Russia/Germany or where ever the big gonk is from what happened to your US fighters. Lewis was going to win that fight, so what if he was tired so was Shitszcho the difference is Lewis's face was not hanging off !!
39 years of age and still managed to beat him with in 6 rounds.
Means you come across like you know nothing
1. you talk about Lewis's last fight as if it was a bad thing
2. You think Lewis is the only good fighter to come out of Britain
3. You have so many excuse's for USA fighters but pick out stupid things about Lewis, like he got out boxed by Frank Bruno even though he took Bruno's head clean off in 7 rounds. When I can easierly say that Lewis knocked down Tony Tucker twice something Tyson couldn't do, he destroyed Ruddock in 1 and half rounds, Tyson had 2 wars with him, Boxed Holyfields head off, Destroyed Golata in 1 round but Bowe was getting out boxed by him in 2 fights, Destroyed Botha in 1 and half rounds the same fighter that out boxed Tyson for 4 rounds, give Tyson his worse beating and probably one of the worst I have ever seen, and to finish it off beat everyone he ever faced, not even Ali can say that, anyway the list goes on and on !!
When you look at all of his acheivments all your excuse's look pretty sad !!
You prick !!
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Originally Posted by means2184
I remember when Michael 'I've got the strength of ten gorillas' Grant was gonna be the next great American heavyweight.
how could you even like lewis? He has no heart, hes not talkative or funny like mike tyson, and he doesnt have as many knock outs! stop defending for him! he would lose
tyson is not foreman, tyson has his deadly uppercut,and could give body shots like no otherfighter. i would still pick ali cuz he would f.... tysons face up w/severe cuts then win by a tko. ali a head hunter, he doesnt need 2 go 2 the body when its so easy 4 him just to hit some1 in the faceQuote:
Originally Posted by snakey
i come off like i dont know anything??Quote:
Originally Posted by ROCKY MARSHMELLOW
your INCORRECT Tyson fought Lewis only once ...only one war
Lewis looked like he was getting mugged by klitschko and happened to cut him in defense of himself (u did see the fight didnt you?)
Lewiz= best Brit boxer ever!! :bowdown: :britain:
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Originally Posted by means2184
Means you thick yank fuck .... I said Tyson and Ruddock had 2 wars, you thick shit, and it took Lewis 1 and half rounds to demolish Ruddock.
The only person who looked like he had been mugged was Klitszcho !!
You said the only good fighter that came out of Britain was Lewis, and you are soooooooo fucking wrong, just like you are about most things !!
Bellend !!
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Originally Posted by ali2coolwitu
Hey I don't like Lewis, I think he is a cunt, But we are not talking about what boxers you fancy, I am talking about what they do in the ring, and I have watched every fight that Lewis had as a pro and you say Lewis hasn't got as many KO's, thats true, But Lewis's KO's are just as impressive as Tyson's and considering Tyson has fought alot of bums and Lewis fought everyone that was available to fight in the 90's and KOED most of them, and outboxed the rest !!
I don't need to defend Lewis, his record and his career speaks for its self, I can hear alot of people defending Tyson and Holyfield though with weak ass excuses. I am going off what I seen in the ring, your going off if they were funny or not, 2 totally different things you tit !!
how are his ko's better than tysons? lol has he ever knocked out somebody in the first few rounds? If so..the first few seconds?? And they werent bums..they were decent and keep in mind that tyson was a teenager. Lewis was a big older man.
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Originally Posted by ali2coolwitu
Now Bellend did I say better, I said just as impressive.
I think you need to look at Lewis's career knockouts before you make silly comments
Lewis's first 18 fights didn't go past 8 rounds 16 by KO, He beat the likes of Gary Mason who was the British champion who was 35-0 and was ranked 4th in the world on his 15th fight, He knocked out Mike weather with huge right hand on his 16th fight, Hammered Glen McCory in 2 rounds, KOED Tyrell Biggs in 3 rounds, Ruddock on his 22nd fight KOED in 2. and you cant forget that 90 second battering he gave to Golata !!
So in his first 23 fights he had 4 1st round KO's, 7 2nd round KO's, 2 3rd round KO's a few 6 round KO'S etc
What has Tyson being a teenager got to with anything, Lewis was 23 when he turned Pro because he went after the gold medal. Lewis is 1 year older than Tyson thats it, so get your fucking head together !!
And if you put Lewis's early career up against Tyson's you will find out that Lewis's was by far more impressive.
Also all them 1st round KO's did Tyson no favours, as we found out later on in his career.
Oh yeah, I didn't mean Lewis fought Golata in his first 23 fights, that was much later on in his career !!