B Hop explains racial slur:says he didn't mean it,was just to sell fights.

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

Ummmmmmmmm dude,his wife's dying of cancer

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It doesn't make what I said any less true....I know she's sick and that's a shame but SHE is the political one in that marraige and not Johnny boy.

You can certainly tell by the way SHE talks to a crowd and how she answers questions and hell anyone can see it she's the one pushing his ass to be in office.

She's a fighter and she's feisty...I respect her a lot more than John he's a bimbo.


I don't agree with her politics but you can tell she was the fire in that race...John was just a pretty face and an empty suit to put her views, beliefs, and ideas in....kind of like how Bill Clinton was except for not a pathological liar

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Originally Posted by Lyle

It doesn't make what I said any less true....I know she's sick and that's a shame but SHE is the political one in that marraige and not Johnny boy.

You can certainly tell by the way SHE talks to a crowd and how she answers questions and hell anyone can see it she's the one pushing his ass to be in office.

She's a fighter and she's feisty...I respect her a lot more than John he's a bimbo.


I don't agree with her politics but you can tell she was the fire in that race...John was just a pretty face and an empty suit to put her views, beliefs, and ideas in....kind of like how Bill Clinton was except for not a pathological liar

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No you said she has goals for higher office
Even if he had won the nomnation,odds are she wouldnt have seen it
Not to mention he grew up dirt poor

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

No you said she has goals for higher office
Even if he had won the nomnation,odds are she wouldnt have seen it
Not to mention he grew up dirt poor

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Whatever, anyone can tell Elizabeth Edwards is the more politically savvy of the two just from hearing them talk. John's speeches are full of good ideas and easy causes to be for in theory...ie getting the poor to not be poor, Elizabeth would take on attackers, she was an advisor to John, and she was more opinionated that John.


Just listen to her and you can tell she's the brains behind that opperation.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

White politicians play the race card and it's dispicible...what happened to John McCain in SC was horrible, what happened to Harold Ford Jr. was deplorable.....and Hillary Clinton has played the race card already in this election. But that's in politics and not in the professional field...I don't know of anyone who does that basing it on the discrimination of white people...please feel free to enlighten me in this if I have overlooked someone.


I don't hold either black or white politicians to a higher standard...I doubt you know who Harold Ford Jr is....if he was Obama's VP I just might cast a vote for him.....if McCain wasn't going to be the Republican candidate but my vote isn't a matter of race but a matter of who I trust and who has AMERICA's best intrest in mind.


Any other conclusions about me that you wish to jump to?

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There aren't any black politicians that do stuff that white politicians don't. There's no reason to single out guys like Sharpton for shaking down businesses for contributions when it happens on a huge scale legally every day in Washington. Except that you must be holding black politicians to a higher standard than white ones.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

There aren't any black politicians that do stuff that white politicians don't. There's no reason to single out guys like Sharpton for shaking down businesses for contributions when it happens on a huge scale legally every day in Washington. Except that you must be holding black politicians to a higher standard than white ones.

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Sharpton isn't a politician, he's a race pimp....can't you see he gets money because he can prove racism is still around and therefore if there is racism then Al Sharpton has it good and therefore Al Sharpton likes racism because it gets him on camera and makes him money......so by that rational Al doesn't want racism to ever go away because if it did then he'd be a nobody.

I do love your contemptuous view of America and it's politics, it's so very refreshing, we don't have enough of it with Bill Maher

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Sharpton isn't a politician, he's a race pimp....can't you see he gets money because he can prove racism is still around and therefore if there is racism then Al Sharpton has it good and therefore Al Sharpton likes racism because it gets him on camera and makes him money......so by that rational Al doesn't want racism to ever go away because if it did then he'd be a nobody.

I do love your contemptuous view of America and it's politics, it's so very refreshing, we don't have enough of it with Bill Maher

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So by that definition every Republican president since at least the 1970s is a race pimp. You're unbelievably blind to your own prejudices. Go on, claim you're not a racist again.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

So by that definition every Republican president since at least the 1970s is a race pimp. You're unbelievably blind to your own prejudices. Go on, claim you're not a racist again.

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Why would Republicans be race pimps based on that rational?

They would benefit more by NO racism, not by racism continuing...if there was no racism then black people would be more apt to be Republicans

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Why would Republicans be race pimps based on that rational?

They would benefit more by NO racism, not by racism continuing...if there was no racism then black people would be more apt to be Republicans

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They appeal to white racists for campaign donations and votes. I already explained to you about historic GOP pandering to racists in this thread. If you forgot already go back and read it.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

They appeal to white racists for campaign donations and votes. I already explained to you about historic GOP pandering to racists in this thread. If you forgot already go back and read it.

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Yes I remember that...you have a point with that but outside of elections there is very little they did to incite racism

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Yes I remember that...you have a point with that but outside of elections there is very little they did to incite racism

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Reagan's evocative(and patently untrue) tales of welfare recipients driving Caddilacs and buying vodka with their food stamps didnt incite racism?
Or Nixons blatant pandering to former segregationists?
How do you think the Republicans ended up with such stellar "humans"(in this case it needs parentheses) as Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms?

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

Reagan's evocative(and patently untrue) tales of welfare recipients driving Caddilacs and buying vodka with their food stamps didnt incite racism?
Or Nixons blatant pandering to former segregationists?
How do you think the Republicans ended up with such stellar "humans"(in this case it needs parentheses) as Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms?

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I've seen welfare recipients driving alot better cars than Caddies...and let's stop and think about the entitlement issues people have today, what do we have to blame that on??????

WELFARE!

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Originally Posted by Lyle

I've seen welfare recipients driving alot better cars than Caddies...and let's stop and think about the entitlement issues people have today, what do we have to blame that on??????

WELFARE!

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We should cut off Lockhead-Martin tommorrow,and Mercedes,and Mack
Much bigger welfare queens then Reagans mythical welfare queen by far
Face it,the first place every president weve had since Reagan goes to cut the budget is welfare,and that includes the "liberal" Bill Clinton

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Yes I remember that...you have a point with that but outside of elections there is very little they did to incite racism

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So apart from when they play the race card and incite racism they don't play the race card and incite racism.

Do you even think about what you're writing ?

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Originally Posted by Lyle

I've seen welfare recipients driving alot better cars than Caddies...and let's stop and think about the entitlement issues people have today, what do we have to blame that on??????

WELFARE!

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Right now the money industry are lining up for the biggest US government handout ever. Bankers are a bunch of capitalists until they fuck things up by being greedy, then they turn into a bunch of socialists and ask the government for a bailout. A large amount of wealth is going to be transferred from working Americans to banks over the next few years via taxes, debt and inflation, the biggest single corporate socialist bailout in history. Even the debt and inflation makes money for the money industry -- your raging inflation is our record profits, interest rates have to go up to tame inflation so you pay us more interest on the debt you owe us for bailing us out. And this is apart from the huge regular corporate socialist subsidies paid every year to the healthcare/agriculture/pharmaceutical/war industries, to name but a few.

Yet Rush or whichever rightwing dickhead you listen to has you believing it's a few black welfare cheats that are putting your taxes up. Like illegal immigrants: black people vote 90% for Democrats because Democrats were being the civil rights bills. Hispanics will vote the same way for the same reasons in future. For decades the Democrats supported rights for illegals and this cost them votes and elections because the GOP pandered to the white majority over immigration. Now that the GOP need Hispanic votes to continue to win elections they're having to support what the Democrats have been advocating for decades. But all those years of demonising immigrants to their base are coming back to bite them, and it couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of racist panderers.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Right now the money industry are lining up for the biggest US government handout ever. Bankers are a bunch of capitalists until they fuck things up by being greedy, then they turn into a bunch of socialists and ask the government for a bailout. A large amount of wealth is going to be transferred from working Americans to banks over the next few years via taxes, debt and inflation, the biggest single corporate socialist bailout in history. Even the debt and inflation makes money for the money industry -- your raging inflation is our record profits, interest rates have to go up to tame inflation so you pay us more interest on the debt you owe us for bailing us out. And this is apart from the huge regular corporate socialist subsidies paid every year to the healthcare/agriculture/pharmaceutical/war industries, to name but a few.

Yet Rush or whichever rightwing dickhead you listen to has you believing it's a few black welfare cheats that are putting your taxes up. Like illegal immigrants: black people vote 90% for Democrats because Democrats were being the civil rights bills. Hispanics will vote the same way for the same reasons in future. For decades the Democrats supported rights for illegals and this cost them votes and elections because the GOP pandered to the white majority over immigration. Now that the GOP need Hispanic votes to continue to win elections they're having to support what the Democrats have been advocating for decades. But all those years of demonising immigrants to their base are coming back to bite them, and it couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of racist panderers.

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This is unfortunatly true
When the S&L crew got themselves in to deep S,who bailed them out
When the Auto industry couldnt figure out how to make a car that got more then 10 MPG,Where did Lee Iacocca go crying to

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

So apart from when they play the race card and incite racism they don't play the race card and incite racism.

Do you even think about what you're writing ?

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Yes I do and you insist on comparing apples to oranges...both concepts of inciting racism are wrong HOWEVER Republicans like Jesse Helms and Strom Thurmond don't speak for or assume to speak for "All white people"....Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton to assume to speak for all black people.


Thurmond and Helms never got anyone fired or extorted any money from companies like Sharpton and Jackson either.

Yes giving companies breaks doesn't do anything good for society....they do pay taxes, more taxes than individuals, and their survival keeps money in the pockets of their workers who also pay taxes.

The "Welfare Queens" as you wish to put it don't work, they don't pay taxes, they live off welfare.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Yes I do and you insist on comparing apples to oranges...both concepts of inciting racism are wrong HOWEVER Republicans like Jesse Helms and Strom Thurmond don't speak for or assume to speak for "All white people"....Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton to assume to speak for all black people.


Thurmond and Helms never got anyone fired or extorted any money from companies like Sharpton and Jackson either.

Yes giving companies breaks doesn't do anything good for society....they do pay taxes, more taxes than individuals, and their survival keeps money in the pockets of their workers who also pay taxes.

The "Welfare Queens" as you wish to put it don't work, they don't pay taxes, they live off welfare.

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Strom Thurmond once ran for election on a pro-lynching platform. He's one of a huge list of historic white vile racist assholes who you no doubt would apologise for too.

White politicians extort billions of dollars every year from companies, what guys like Sharpton get is a drop in the bucket. You ripping Sharpton for his sharp practices while ignoring the billions of dollars of deals that go on between lobbyists and racist panderers in congress every day shows just how bigoted you really are.

The rest of the post is just more dumbass rightwing radio host talking points. You just can't deal with facts and evidence any other way except repeat crap you heard off the radio, can you ?

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Yes I do and you insist on comparing apples to oranges...both concepts of inciting racism are wrong HOWEVER Republicans like Jesse Helms and Strom Thurmond don't speak for or assume to speak for "All white people"....Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton to assume to speak for all black people.


Thurmond and Helms never got anyone fired or extorted any money from companies like Sharpton and Jackson either.

Yes giving companies breaks doesn't do anything good for society....they do pay taxes, more taxes than individuals, and their survival keeps money in the pockets of their workers who also pay taxes.

The "Welfare Queens" as you wish to put it don't work, they don't pay taxes, they live off welfare.

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Lyle,you might want to re-think this line of thought
Thurmond ran for President on a pro-segregation platform,that might have been a little more hurtful to someones work situation,then getting a bad talk DJ canned for saying something incredibly stupid

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

Lyle,you might want to re-think this line of thought
Thurmond ran for President on a pro-segregation platform,that might have been a little more hurtful to someones work situation,then getting a bad talk DJ canned for saying something incredibly stupid

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I don't appologize for Strom Thurmond he was a product of an era of resentment and hatred. It's not for ME to appologize for as I had nothing to do with his views or electing him.

Sure Strom ran on a pro-segregation platform....remind you of anyone? Louis Farrakahn? Malcom X? Both segregation advocates and are THEY called racist very often???? Not as often as Strom.

If Strom had no love for black people then how do you account for his fathering and care for Essie Mae Washington-Williams his illigetimate daughter?


We get so far off the point because you guys want to go back and try to say I am racist and I am a bigot when basically this is a dead issue now....Bernard should know what he said was wrong and it shouldn't happen again, there doesn't need to be any fine or firing or anything like that but ohhhhh noooo you guys just can't accept that, you'll go back and wail and moan about my views on other issues because what I just said isn't sensational enough for you to use to paint me as a bigot.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

I don't appologize for Strom Thurmond he was a product of an era of resentment and hatred. It's not for ME to appologize for as I had nothing to do with his views or electing him.

Sure Strom ran on a pro-segregation platform....remind you of anyone? Louis Farrakahn? Malcom X? Both segregation advocates and are THEY called racist very often???? Not as often as Strom.

If Strom had no love for black people then how do you account for his fathering and care for Essie Mae Washington-Williams his illigetimate daughter?


We get so far off the point because you guys want to go back and try to say I am racist and I am a bigot when basically this is a dead issue now....Bernard should know what he said was wrong and it shouldn't happen again, there doesn't need to be any fine or firing or anything like that but ohhhhh noooo you guys just can't accept that, you'll go back and wail and moan about my views on other issues because what I just said isn't sensational enough for you to use to paint me as a bigot.

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Malcolm X apologized
Unlike Strom

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

Malcolm X apologized
Unlike Strom

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He might not have explicitly appologized for his views HOWEVER he did support extending the Voting Rights Act and making Martin Luther King Jr. Day a holiday.

And I do believe he supported Clarence Thomas for the supreme court as well

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Originally Posted by Lyle

I don't appologize for Strom Thurmond he was a product of an era of resentment and hatred. It's not for ME to appologize for as I had nothing to do with his views or electing him.

Sure Strom ran on a pro-segregation platform....remind you of anyone? Louis Farrakahn? Malcom X? Both segregation advocates and are THEY called racist very often???? Not as often as Strom.

If Strom had no love for black people then how do you account for his fathering and care for Essie Mae Washington-Williams his illigetimate daughter?


We get so far off the point because you guys want to go back and try to say I am racist and I am a bigot when basically this is a dead issue now....Bernard should know what he said was wrong and it shouldn't happen again, there doesn't need to be any fine or firing or anything like that but ohhhhh noooo you guys just can't accept that, you'll go back and wail and moan about my views on other issues because what I just said isn't sensational enough for you to use to paint me as a bigot.

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Strom never acknowledged his daughter publicly and it wasn't public news till after the old racist hypocrite died because if he had it would have finished his electoral appeal to the white racists he needed to vote for him. You claiming you're not bigoted just adds to the hilarity.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Strom never acknowledged his daughter publicly and it wasn't public news till after the old racist hypocrite died because if he had it would have finished his electoral appeal to the white racists he needed to vote for him. You claiming you're not bigoted just adds to the hilarity.

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...and his daughter didn't publically aknowledge him because AS SHE SAID.....AS SHE SAID "wasn't to the advantage of either one of us"

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Originally Posted by Lyle

...and his daughter didn't publically aknowledge him because AS SHE SAID.....AS SHE SAID "wasn't to the advantage of either one of us"

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Do you ever stop to think before you open your virtual mouth ? Is there no amount of hypocrisy by racists that you won't try and justify ?


Oh, and here's another welfare case for you. Try reading the whole article and discovering how much this small part of the bank bailout is going to cost taxpayers and then read some more about how much the total welfare bill for black Americans is per year and then tell us which number is biggest. Bet you get it wrong. Bet you can't even accurately work numbers from government data websites out.

Here's the link to read to get you started :

Worried Bankers Seek to Shift Risk to Uncle Sam - WSJ.com

Here's another part of the current corporate socialist bank bailout US taxpayer payout to read about. Doing the maths for this one would be very complicated indeed so I'll let you off asking you a question on this one :

Bernanke Open to a Sizable Rate Cut - WSJ.com

You realise the fed is already giving free money away and this will make it cheaper still ? Currently the prime interest rate is less than the rate of inflation after recent cuts so money is now effectively being given away. This means serious inflation in the future, but Bush will be gone and Obama will get the blame.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Do you ever stop to think before you open your virtual mouth ? Is there no amount of hypocrisy by racists that you won't try and justify ?


Oh, and here's another welfare case for you. Try reading the whole article and discovering how much this small part of the bank bailout is going to cost taxpayers and then read some more about how much the total welfare bill for black Americans is per year and then tell us which number is biggest. Bet you get it wrong. Bet you can't even accurately work numbers from government data websites out.

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Who said anything about "black Americans"....you don't have to be black to be on welfare you can be white, hispanic, asian, or whatever and be on welfare youmade the welfare issue about race and it's not about race it's about entitlement and laziness.

Yes the preadatory lending was sheisty but we'll rebound after a while...this kind of stuff happens people find something they can take advantage of and they go nuts with it.

I don't think Uncle Sam should open up his wallet to help these banks....they don't deserve any help because what they did was wrong to begin with

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Who said anything about "black Americans"....you don't have to be black to be on welfare you can be white, hispanic, asian, or whatever and be on welfare youmade the welfare issue about race and it's not about race it's about entitlement and laziness.

Yes the preadatory lending was sheisty but we'll rebound after a while...this kind of stuff happens people find something they can take advantage of and they go nuts with it.

I don't think Uncle Sam should open up his wallet to help these banks....they don't deserve any help because what they did was wrong to begin with

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So compare this small part of the banker welfare bill to the total welfare payment every year. You can't work the numbers out, can you ?

You don't have a clue what you're talking about re. predatory lending, or when "we'll rebound." You haven't worked out yet that "you're" the one getting shafted here.

What you think or don't think is irrelevant, it's what's going to happen that's relevant. And what's going to happen is that you're going to get shafted.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

So compare this small part of the banker welfare bill to the total welfare payment every year. You can't work the numbers out, can you ?

You don't have a clue what you're talking about re. predatory lending, or when "we'll rebound." You haven't worked out yet that "you're" the one getting shafted here.

What you think or don't think is irrelevant, it's what's going to happen that's relevant. And what's going to happen is that you're going to get shafted.

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For your first question....I disagree with the government bailing ANYONE out especially when the banks and lenders did wrong to begin with.

Your second part...the economy has cycles this is a downturn partly because of this lending business and partly because we're going into an election year and there is always trepidation in the market because there will be big change in Washington and the market is affected by such worries.

There have been issues like this before in the past and the economy HAS ALWAYS REBOUNDED....not as fast as we would sometimes like but it always comes back. People losing their houses and cars it's sad it really is but they were ignorant of their loan agreements and the banks counted on that when they made those horrible offers.

It's going to be tough here for a while but it'll get better

...you do realize that the government will more than likely bail out both the banks AND the people who got loans....yeah I will end up getting screwed by this and all because there were ignorant people out there who didn't read their loan applications and there were predators out there ready to go get them.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

...you do realize that the government will more than likely bail out both the banks AND the people who got loans....yeah I will end up getting screwed by this and all because there were ignorant people out there who didn't read their loan applications and there were predators out there ready to go get them.

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The government will bail out almost nobody. The banks will get all the money. In the US, the socialist handouts go to corporations, not people.

You realise that the "predatory lending*" you're talking about would have been impossible if the Bush administration had enforced existing laws and not actually sided with the banks against individual states who were trying to use the existing law to prevent predatory lending. The Bush administration filed lawsuits to stop all state level investigation of lending practices. Do you know why ? Because they were intent on letting a huge credit bubble expand to keep the economy ticking till 2008 to hide the fact that their economic policies had been a catastrophic failure.

But facts and evidence don't matter to you. You'll find some dumbass way to rationalise this.

*This isn't just a subprime problem, it's a problem throughout the credit and financial industry and it's only just beginning.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

For your first question....I disagree with the government bailing ANYONE out especially when the banks and lenders did wrong to begin with.

Your second part...the economy has cycles this is a downturn partly because of this lending business and partly because we're going into an election year and there is always trepidation in the market because there will be big change in Washington and the market is affected by such worries.

There have been issues like this before in the past and the economy HAS ALWAYS REBOUNDED....not as fast as we would sometimes like but it always comes back. People losing their houses and cars it's sad it really is but they were ignorant of their loan agreements and the banks counted on that when they made those horrible offers.

It's going to be tough here for a while but it'll get better

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Whether you disagree with it or not it's going to happen and you personally are going to bail out billionaire and centimillionaire bankers and investors.

Who wins in November is irrelevant to the current state of the financial markets. You really shouldn't pontificate on things you don't have a clue about. This downturn is caused entirely by the inability of the Bush administration to handle fiscal policy competently or lawfully.

The economy will indeed rebound but certain sections of the economy are going to do worse and worse over time. For low/middle income earners the next couple of decades are going to be horrific.

Greenspan had a hand in this as well...so let's include him in all the fun too

Sure we're going to see more trouble come from this cars and homes repo'ed but the repo guys will be doing big business so there are some low/middle income earners that will be doing ok

...you know you're a lot like Mitt Romney, I start on an issue and you try to steer me into talking about the economy.


There is no need for this thread anymore if we're done talking about Bernard Hopkins and what he said about Joe Calzaghe

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Originally Posted by Lyle

...you know you're a lot like Mitt Romney, I start on an issue and you try to steer me into talking about the economy.


There is no need for this thread anymore if we're done talking about Bernard Hopkins and what he said about Joe Calzaghe

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You're the biggest bloviator on the forum. A conversation with you goes in a hundred different directions as you change the subject to avoid dealing with facts and evidence. I've finally managed to back you into a corner in this thread where you'd have to display some actual knowledge of the things we're talking about to continue and since you don't have any you can't. :)

Read the next post before replying.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Greenspan had a hand in this as well...so let's include him in all the fun too

Sure we're going to see more trouble come from this cars and homes repo'ed but the repo guys will be doing big business so there are some low/middle income earners that will be doing ok

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How some people do is irrelevant. How the vast majority of people do is, and they've been and are going to continue to be shafted. This is all part of a process that's been going on since Reagan and the only thing that will arrest it is when the American middle class hits a wall.

Middle class families have exhausted the coping mechanisms they've used for over three decades to get by on median wages that are barely higher than they were in 1970, adjusted for inflation. Male wages today are actually lower than they were then; the income of a young man in his 30s is now 12 percent below that of a man his age three decades ago.

The first coping mechanism was moving more women into paid work. The percent of working mothers with school-age children has almost doubled since 1970 -- from 38 percent to about 70 percent. Some parents are now even doing 24-hour shifts, one on child duty while the other works.

When families couldn't paddle any harder, they started paddling longer. The typical American now works two weeks more each year than 30 years ago, putting in 350 more hours a year than the average European, more even than the notoriously industrious Japanese.

As the tide of economic necessity continued to rise, America turned to the third coping mechanism, taking equity out of their homes, big time. But now that home prices are sinking for the first time in decades, this final coping mechanism no longer keeps the economy afloat.

The fact is, most Americans are still not prospering in the high-tech, global economy that emerged three decades ago. Almost all the benefits of economic growth since then have gone to a relatively small number of people at the very top. And that's only going to get worse as globalisation increases. The only questions remaining are how bad do things have to get before people start noticing and what happens when they do?

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

How some people do is irrelevant. How the vast majority of people do is, and they've been and are going to continue to be shafted. This is all part of a process that's been going on since Reagan and the only thing that will arrest it is when the American middle class hits a wall.

Middle class families have exhausted the coping mechanisms they've used for over three decades to get by on median wages that are barely higher than they were in 1970, adjusted for inflation. Male wages today are actually lower than they were then; the income of a young man in his 30s is now 12 percent below that of a man his age three decades ago.

The first coping mechanism was moving more women into paid work. The percent of working mothers with school-age children has almost doubled since 1970 -- from 38 percent to about 70 percent. Some parents are now even doing 24-hour shifts, one on child duty while the other works.

When families couldn't paddle any harder, they started paddling longer. The typical American now works two weeks more each year than 30 years ago, putting in 350 more hours a year than the average European, more even than the notoriously industrious Japanese.

As the tide of economic necessity continued to rise, America turned to the third coping mechanism, taking equity out of their homes, big time. But now that home prices are sinking for the first time in decades, this final coping mechanism no longer keeps the economy afloat.

The fact is, most Americans are still not prospering in the high-tech, global economy that emerged three decades ago. Almost all the benefits of economic growth since then have gone to a relatively small number of people at the very top. And that's only going to get worse as globalisation increases. The only questions remaining are how bad do things have to get before people start noticing and what happens when they do?

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He's wrong on this one as well.Buddy of mine is a conscietious with his money as they come
He works corporate collections
He had his van repoed while he was at work

....once again this is a NONISSUE IN THIS THREAD if you want to talk economy make a new thread.

Sure wages need to increase....but don't you think illegal immigrants affect that?

Anyone who is making minimum wage needs to get a fucking clue and get a REAL job.

People also need to learn more about how to handle their money and read contracts. And education is always an issue and it needs to be more of a priority.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

....once again this is a NONISSUE IN THIS THREAD if you want to talk economy make a new thread.

Sure wages need to increase....but don't you think illegal immigrants affect that?

Anyone who is making minimum wage needs to get a fucking clue and get a REAL job.

People also need to learn more about how to handle their money and read contracts. And education is always an issue and it needs to be more of a priority.

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Ah they fall of trees do they?
Nobody ever gets sick or has an emergency?
Health insurance hasnt been stripped down to bare bones minimum?
Your living on 70's rhetoric,while the rest of us are trying to survive in the 21st century