Re: Andre Berto vs Luis Collazo RBR Maybe.
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killersheep
I would love to see a rematch this was a great fight. I have lots of respect for both guys. People will say Berto is overrated, I say that's disrespectful to the effort Collazo put in, Berto is THAT good, and Collazo was right there with him the whole fight.
I myself feel that Collazo deserves the rematch. The fight was closely contested, and both left it all out there. And I'm not saying Berto is not a real good fighter, but it just irks me that when the networks single out the next phenom, it tends to skew things their way. Judging in boxing is anything but consistent, and that hurts the sport. I honestly thought Collazo won the fight tonight. Sadly, I think the rematch won't happen.
The thing is who is Berto gonna fight if he doesn't rematch Collazo? The winner of Mosely/Margo? Paul Williams? Cotto? Judah? I mean Collazo rematch doesn't sound like a bad option Williams/Margo are both just too big. Cotto is a question mark til we see his return against Jennings. Judah, has been written off by just about everyone. Those are the names that could get on an HBO bill IMO.
I agree on Williams and Margo... too big. We also have to see how Mosley fares against Margarito next week. He's another possible opponent for Berto. There's also Clottey. And yeah, let's see how Cotto comes back against Jennings, although my guess is he should be alright.
Re: Andre Berto vs Luis Collazo RBR Maybe.
I disagree with the desicion :-\.
I was hoping Berto worked more on the body. On round 7 it was clear how Collazo was hurt with body punches as well as the last round. Berto gotta improve his inside game.
Re: Andre Berto vs Luis Collazo RBR Maybe.
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I just hope collazo gets another shot, cause kellerman kept alluding to this might be collazo's last shot, why da fuck should it be??? We're to quick today to write of fighters just because they've had a few losses. hopefully this'll boost both guys careers, because berto didn't judge the fight and he can't be blamed for a decision that I think is bogus. Although as some others have mentioned I think the other big name welterweights take him out.
Agreed...Right now Collzao gives a quality fight against any of the champions...He was robbed 3 times now....Maybe not the worst robberies but he was gypt and everyone knows it...Not many have denied it except maybe fanboy's of Hatton........
Collazo could have gotten the dec against Hatton, Mosley and certainly deserved it against Berto IMO........
Collazo is a legit title challenger and threat to all the champions out there....He is not in the Zab Judah catagory where he has been given chance after chance then just blows it by in ring antics.....He gives it his all...
Certainly has heart.....
Showed me a great chin last night for sure
Re: Andre Berto vs Luis Collazo RBR Maybe.
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armin
I just hope collazo gets another shot, cause kellerman kept alluding to this might be collazo's last shot, why da fuck should it be??? We're to quick today to write of fighters just because they've had a few losses. hopefully this'll boost both guys careers, because berto didn't judge the fight and he can't be blamed for a decision that I think is bogus. Although as some others have mentioned I think the other big name welterweights take him out.
Agreed...Right now Collzao gives a quality fight against any of the champions...He was robbed 3 times now....Maybe not the worst robberies but he was gypt and everyone knows it...Not many have denied it except maybe fanboy's of Hatton........
Collazo could have gotten the dec against Hatton, Mosley and certainly deserved it against Berto IMO........
Collazo is a legit title challenger and threat to all the champions out there....He is not in the Zab Judah catagory where he has been given chance after chance then just blows it by in ring antics.....He gives it his all...
Certainly has heart.....
Showed me a great chin last night for sure
Not to mention a quality character... A new Luis Collazo fan is raising his hand here;)
Re: Andre Berto vs Luis Collazo RBR Maybe.
There is no was Collazo beat Shane Mosley that fight was not close the Hatton one i thought he won but yet again close the Berto fight i had Andre Berto winning the fight Collazo gave away rounds and Berto came back strong at the end of the fight and won 11 and 12 and that sealed the deal for him i think the ref help Callozo alot and leaderman ignored his work in alot of rounds he was landing more and the were solid punchs. Now if he faces Shane Mosley and Antino Margarito like that and trys to go punch for punch he going to get knocked out and Cotto i give him a great shot he does not have the best chin is open to uppercuts and has stamina problems all of which while help Berto out if he fights Margarito he better learn how to take a step back and box or somthing but i dont know and Williams i think is just to much for anyone at the divsion right now.
Re: Andre Berto vs Luis Collazo RBR Maybe.
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DaxxKahn
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armin
I just hope collazo gets another shot, cause kellerman kept alluding to this might be collazo's last shot, why da fuck should it be??? We're to quick today to write of fighters just because they've had a few losses. hopefully this'll boost both guys careers, because berto didn't judge the fight and he can't be blamed for a decision that I think is bogus. Although as some others have mentioned I think the other big name welterweights take him out.
Agreed...Right now Collzao gives a quality fight against any of the champions...He was robbed 3 times now....Maybe not the worst robberies but he was gypt and everyone knows it...Not many have denied it except maybe fanboy's of Hatton........
Collazo could have gotten the dec against Hatton, Mosley and certainly deserved it against Berto IMO........
Collazo is a legit title challenger and threat to all the champions out there....He is not in the Zab Judah catagory where he has been given chance after chance then just blows it by in ring antics.....He gives it his all...
Certainly has heart.....
Showed me a great chin last night for sure
Luis Collazo could of got the decision against Shane Mosley, are you kidding me ? unless i read that wrong ? that was one of the easiest fights to score, Luis Collazo won 3 rounds at max and had a knockdown against him.
Re: Andre Berto vs Luis Collazo RBR Maybe.
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DaxxKahn
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armin
I just hope collazo gets another shot, cause kellerman kept alluding to this might be collazo's last shot, why da fuck should it be??? We're to quick today to write of fighters just because they've had a few losses. hopefully this'll boost both guys careers, because berto didn't judge the fight and he can't be blamed for a decision that I think is bogus. Although as some others have mentioned I think the other big name welterweights take him out.
Agreed...Right now Collzao gives a quality fight against any of the champions...He was robbed 3 times now....Maybe not the worst robberies but he was gypt and everyone knows it...Not many have denied it except maybe fanboy's of Hatton........
Collazo could have gotten the dec against Hatton, Mosley and certainly deserved it against Berto IMO........
Collazo is a legit title challenger and threat to all the champions out there....He is not in the Zab Judah catagory where he has been given chance after chance then just blows it by in ring antics.....He gives it his all...
Certainly has heart.....
Showed me a great chin last night for sure
Luis Collazo could of got the decision against Shane Mosley, are you kidding me ? unless i read that wrong ? that was one of the easiest fights to score, Luis Collazo won 3 rounds at max and had a knockdown against him.
My mistake.....I actually meant to post that his only losses are to Hatton, Mosley and berto so he should be considered a top title challenger still....While thinking about his close losses to Hatton and Berto
Re: Andre Berto vs Luis Collazo RBR Maybe.
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ICB
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DaxxKahn
Agreed...Right now Collzao gives a quality fight against any of the champions...He was robbed 3 times now....Maybe not the worst robberies but he was gypt and everyone knows it...Not many have denied it except maybe fanboy's of Hatton........
Collazo could have gotten the dec against Hatton, Mosley and certainly deserved it against Berto IMO........
Collazo is a legit title challenger and threat to all the champions out there....He is not in the Zab Judah catagory where he has been given chance after chance then just blows it by in ring antics.....He gives it his all...
Certainly has heart.....
Showed me a great chin last night for sure
Luis Collazo could of got the decision against Shane Mosley, are you kidding me ? unless i read that wrong ? that was one of the easiest fights to score, Luis Collazo won 3 rounds at max and had a knockdown against him.
My mistake.....I actually meant to post that his only losses are to Hatton, Mosley and berto so he should be considered a top title challenger still....While thinking about his close losses to Hatton and Berto
He probably could of gave Shane Mosley a tough fight also though, had it not been for that injury. That certainly changed the fight totally, before the injury i thought Luis Collazo was winning.
Last time i watched Luis Collazo vs Ricky Hatton i thought Luis Collazo won, i liked his cleaner more effective work. And im gonna rewatch Andre Berto vs Luis Collazo later and post my scorecard.
Re: Andre Berto vs Luis Collazo RBR Maybe.
Here is my scorecard for Berto-Collazo
rd1. 10-9 Berto: I don't think that one punch Collazo landed while Berto had no feet behind should have been worth more than all the punches Berto landed in particular those right crosses to the body.
rd2. 10-9 Berto: He controlled the round started landing to the head.
rd 3. 9-10 Collazo: Collazo really up'ed the workrate and started landing, but Berto had better defense than he was given credit for and he landed some huge punches, this round could have been 10-10.
rd 4. 8-10 Collazo: I definitely thought it was BS to take the point away, they were barely clinching... Terrible referee. Collazo won the round regardless.
rd 5. 10-9 Berto: he landed the better punches.
rd 6. 10-10 even: Berto started off landing some good jabs and boxing effectively, then he let Collazo take him to the ropes where Luis got some good work done, I think Berto landed more punches, but Collazo pressure can't be ignored.
rd 7. 10-9 Berto: Berto landed better punches, including some big ones.
rd 8. 10-9 Berto: Berto dominated this round, and really lambasted Collazo a few times.
rd 9. 9-10 Collazo: Collazo outworked Berto on the inside, he wasn't scoring hard punches, but he was landing because he was throwing punches in bunches, Berto came on strong at the end, but it wasn't enough.
rd 10. 9-10 Collazo: Same thing as round 9, Berto wasn't busy enough, and Collazo was all over him.
rd 11. 10-9 Berto: Berto uses his amazing speed and starts to pick up the pace again, Collazo has no answer.
rd 12. 10-9 Berto: Berto hurt Collazo to the body, was landing some big punches.
I had it 7-4-1 in favor of Berto, and the score card I had was 115-113.
Re: Andre Berto vs Luis Collazo RBR Maybe.
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Here is my scorecard for Berto-Collazo
rd1. 10-9 Berto: I don't think that one punch Collazo landed while Berto had no feet behind should have been worth more than all the punches Berto landed in particular those right crosses to the body.
rd2. 10-9 Berto: He controlled the round started landing to the head.
rd 3. 9-10 Collazo: Collazo really up'ed the workrate and started landing, but Berto had better defense than he was given credit for and he landed some huge punches, this round could have been 10-10.
rd 4. 8-10 Collazo: I definitely thought it was BS to take the point away, they were barely clinching... Terrible referee. Collazo won the round regardless.
rd 5. 10-9 Berto: he landed the better punches.
rd 6. 10-10 even: Berto started off landing some good jabs and boxing effectively, then he let Collazo take him to the ropes where Luis got some good work done, I think Berto landed more punches, but Collazo pressure can't be ignored.
rd 7. 10-9 Berto: Berto landed better punches, including some big ones.
rd 8. 10-9 Berto: Berto dominated this round, and really lambasted Collazo a few times.
rd 9. 9-10 Collazo: Collazo outworked Berto on the inside, he wasn't scoring hard punches, but he was landing because he was throwing punches in bunches, Berto came on strong at the end, but it wasn't enough.
rd 10. 9-10 Collazo: Same thing as round 9, Berto wasn't busy enough, and Collazo was all over him.
rd 11. 10-9 Berto: Berto uses his amazing speed and starts to pick up the pace again, Collazo has no answer.
rd 12. 10-9 Berto: Berto hurt Collazo to the body, was landing some big punches.
I had it 7-4-1 in favor of Berto, and the score card I had was 115-113.
I had it 114-113 Collazo...My scores are at the end of all my post on the thread
Re: Andre Berto vs Luis Collazo RBR Maybe.
Dax question did you say this was a robber ealier maybe it was not you not if you have it 114-113 and another guy had it 114-113 for the other guy how it that a robbery all on what the judge liked and like teath said for once the clean effective punches were the one to get it.
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Dax question did you say this was a robber ealier maybe it was not you not if you have it 114-113 and another guy had it 114-113 for the other guy how it that a robbery all on what the judge liked and like teath said for once the clean effective punches were the one to get it.
Yeah I said it was a robbery...Read through the post and don't just make comments off the one or two post you read and you will know why I scored it 114-113 and why I say it was a robbery,,,,
Pretty sure I am not the only one....
And what about the 116-111....What was that for clean effective being an asshole of a judge....
