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Someone please ban him for mine and his own sanity. :-X
Ok ill admit top 10 is a little ambitious but he has a serious shout at competing with the big boys in maybe a years time. If he develops like he has in the last 10 months in the next year i can see him beating all the champions up to welter. Mayweather is good but how will he handle Khans speed and brutal puching power. Did you see Kotelnic's face after the fight. Hes got a broken jaw, nose and fractured cheekbone.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeyUK
If they are getting drawn in by your feints, I don't have a problem if he lands on the gloves if nothing better is being landed by the opposition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missyfeint, draw, punch through the guard, pull the glove down, be patient enough to force them to lead, etc, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeyUKWhat more can you do when you're fighting a guy who is holding his hands up very high and rarely throwing back?Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
Khan could of went to the body more often but then again that's probably what Kotelnik was hoping for.
You know, like what they teach you to do in boxing.
that's fine but you're not hitting the target and should not be considered a scoring blow, if anything hitting the arms and gloves all the time is going to make someone shell up even more.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethIf they are getting drawn in by your feints, I don't have a problem if he lands on the gloves if nothing better is being landed by the opposition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missyfeint, draw, punch through the guard, pull the glove down, be patient enough to force them to lead, etc, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeyUK
You know, like what they teach you to do in boxing.
The Bottom line is if Khan gets beat at the moment, Franks got a problem plus the people who work there. I always thought Kotelink was an easy touch. To me there was no substance in His work. I would love Him to do well He is a nice Kid, but tell it as it is. It was a struggle it wasnt meant to be.
i'm not a mod or anything but this crap needs to get off the main board
worse news for Khan, he as a title to defend.
Amir khan is simple to sum up. He's no where near as bad as his critics would have you belive but no where as good as his people are telling him he is. But he won today and that's all that matters.
agreed but as usual when the boxing knowledge starts to lack stupidity has no problem taking it's place.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Good news for Amir Khan he has Frank Warren ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
This is exactly right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mar
Going into the fight, we knew a few things
1. Kotelnik would ball up as long as Khan was letting his hands go
2. Khan doesn't have the power to hurt Kotelnik (who has a very good chin)
What we learned in this fight
1. Khan has pretty damn good stamina, he was moving a lot and throwing a lot of punches and he didn't really tire until near the end of the 11th round. I was honestly impressed with that.
Looking back, you have to wonder how could anyone expect a different result? To use this fight as a measuring stick on 140 lb. division is pretty stupid, since noone else in the division fights even close to Kotelnik's style.
I don't £15 is bad value in all honesty. You got the Amir Khan world title fight, three of our top Olympians all fighting and a really intriguing junior middleweight showdown between Anthony Small and Matthew Hall.Quote:
Originally Posted by The RelaYou talk sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBI think i was pretty fair with my assetment, im not big on John Murray either. I think he's an exciting/solid fighter. But he's nowhere near world class.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Well the 1st opponent he fought after the Breidis Prescott fight, was a complete bum who fought Kid Thunder or whoever. If he can't dominate him he should be a postman.
The MAB fight well you know my views on that, MAB was undersized. He had looked terrible in past warm up fights. And was clearly past his prime, MAB was also headbutted and the fight should of been a no contest.
I don't really count that im sorry but i don't, thats just an old legend who's ready for the taking. But he got off to a terrible start, based on a headbutt and could never get in the fight. And was fighting with one eye.
You know my views on the Andriy Kotelnik, because there above. But again i don't see how that fight proves he's ready for the likes of JMM. Let alone beating him which is crazy talk. But if he somehow beat him, i would give him credit why wouldn't i ? its not the same as the MAB fight.
But lets get one thing straight here, this is the first real solid opponent. Amir Khan has fought yes lets give him credit, which he deserves. But lets also not get silly here like your doing, because your a big Amir Khan fan.
I think there's plenty of 140 pounder's who could test him.
Devon Alexander
Junior Witter
Marcos Rene Maidana
Timothy Bradley
Kendall Holt
Ricardo Torres
Lamont Peterson
Mike Alvrado
Randall Bailey
Any of these fights i would be fine with.
It's hard to get carried away with someone who has been on his arse quite a few times in his career.
The Sky commentators are a fucking joke, they would tell you that shit was great to eat. Amir Khan said Kotelnik was the worst World Champion out there and that was the consensus. Khan was favourite and I fully expected him to win this fight. He won it and I have seen improvements in Khan's game which is hats off to Roach imo.
I think Khan is a good fighter but the hype that surrounds him and the Frank Warren BS that surrounds him too is outrageous.
£15 ppv for Khan is sick. Too sick for words.
That's not a bad lineup for £15, certainly better value than some of HBO's weaker offerings.
A lot of our HBO's lately have been free, including Diaz/MarquezQuote:
Originally Posted by BilboI don't £15 is bad value in all honesty. You got the Amir Khan world title fight, three of our top Olympians all fighting and a really intriguing junior middleweight showdown between Anthony Small and Matthew Hall.Quote:
Originally Posted by The RelaYou talk sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
It's hard to get carried away with someone who has been on his arse quite a few times in his career.
The Sky commentators are a fucking joke, they would tell you that shit was great to eat. Amir Khan said Kotelnik was the worst World Champion out there and that was the consensus. Khan was favourite and I fully expected him to win this fight. He won it and I have seen improvements in Khan's game which is hats off to Roach imo.
I think Khan is a good fighter but the hype that surrounds him and the Frank Warren BS that surrounds him too is outrageous.
£15 ppv for Khan is sick. Too sick for words.
That's not a bad lineup for £15, certainly better value than some of HBO's weaker offerings.
I think what would really shut up the critics is that if Khan takes on a guy like a Maidana or a Torres and wins. There are still a lot of questions that Khan still has to answered, but this fight imo is a step in the right direction.
Hell just take a look at a guy like Ricky Hatton who fought mainly bums for his first 33 or 34 fights and then catches Kostya when he's on the downside and everyone is singing his praises like he's the 2nd coming of Aaron Pryor and calling him an all time great.
Yeah but we are not talking about them, I'm on about their PPV offerings. Calzaghe Jones anyone? That was the shitest undercard in the history of the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by markb018A lot of our HBO's lately have been free, including Diaz/MarquezQuote:
Originally Posted by BilboI don't £15 is bad value in all honesty. You got the Amir Khan world title fight, three of our top Olympians all fighting and a really intriguing junior middleweight showdown between Anthony Small and Matthew Hall.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Rela
That's not a bad lineup for £15, certainly better value than some of HBO's weaker offerings.
Yea that was terrible, the PPV #'s showed that as well though. They were terrible.
Amir Khan made me ate my words. Congrats to him. His speed played a big part. He did exactly what Roach told him. For a second in the fight, I thought Pac was fighting Kotelnik with the in-n-out, side to side, and down and under move with lightning combinations. I'm also impressed with Kotelnik's defense.
I went back to sleep again immediately after the fight because I just cannot deal with getting up so early in the morning. I am not on suicide watch nor anything like that.
I read through the posts and someone said I had changed my tune in the wake of the result. I don't think so really, I have always said I want Khan to be brutally knocked out. I make no qualms about that, but I wasn't convinced Kotelnik would be able to do it. I was willing it on all through the fight but it wasn't to be. Kotelnik is slow and just wouldn't let his hands go enough. He landed the more telling shots of the fight though. Khan really is SO ineffective in his punching and combos. He will fire off a six punch combo and they will ALL hit the gloves. Quite awful really, flashy but not scoring punches at all.
All in all Khan fought quite well. He had a gameplan and generally stuck with it. but Khan himself dismissed Kotelnik before the fight was signed. Kotelnik is decent, but clearly the weakest of the 140 holders. Khan still has all those flaws and a decent fighter with output and a bit of power takes him out fairly routinely. Khan wastes a lot of energy because he knows he cannot stick around, a smarter fighter would take advantage.
Anyways, well done to Khan. I'm not all that impressed, but he won with little controversy. He got a belt and this is probably as far as his career will go now. He should enjoy this moment.
Let's see what is next, probably a mandatory or two against people we have never heard of and more fleecing of the PPV muppets. Hopefully not, but we shall see.
Just a cut and paste of mine from the other thread....
I went back to sleep again immediately after the fight because I just cannot deal with getting up so early in the morning. I am not on suicide watch nor anything like that.
I read through the posts and someone said I had changed my tune in the wake of the result. I don't think so really, I have always said I want Khan to be brutally knocked out. I make no qualms about that, but I wasn't convinced Kotelnik would be able to do it. I was willing it on all through the fight but it wasn't to be. Kotelnik is slow and just wouldn't let his hands go enough. He landed the more telling shots of the fight though. Khan really is SO ineffective in his punching and combos. He will fire off a six punch combo and they will ALL hit the gloves. Quite awful really, flashy but not scoring punches at all.
All in all Khan fought quite well. He had a gameplan and generally stuck with it. but Khan himself dismissed Kotelnik before the fight was signed. Kotelnik is decent, but clearly the weakest of the 140 holders. Khan still has all those flaws and a decent fighter with output and a bit of power takes him out fairly routinely. Khan wastes a lot of energy because he knows he cannot stick around, a smarter fighter would take advantage.
Anyways, well done to Khan. I'm not all that impressed, but he won with little controversy. He got a belt and this is probably as far as his career will go now. He should enjoy this moment.
Let's see what is next, probably a mandatory or two against people we have never heard of and more fleecing of the PPV muppets. Hopefully not, but we shall see.
I should kill him, but having seen his bizarre postings on Amir Khan on these threads it is patently obvious that this guy is mentally handicapped. I can't kill someone who is so obviously drooling all over the keyboard whilst surrounded by posters of Amir Khan trying to do topless tough guy poses. It's just sad, and we should take pity on people like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeyUKYou need to get your head checked out mate. Khan would out-box Tony all day but the second Tony lands a semi-big shot, Khan will be on the floor dead. I'm all for people being positive towards Khan for once but you're going too far. I think Miles is going to try to kill you pretty soon...Quote:
Originally Posted by MIKAY
I might be a bit of a hater, but this guy is clearly a raving mentalist and needs special care. :)
Khan better stay away from the punchers. He wouldn't last against Maidana, Torres, Holt, Ortiz. He won't fight them anyway cuz they're way hight risk low reward. But I difinitely see Khan beating good names like Hatton, Bradley, Campbell, Witter, Malinaggi and Urango. Juan Diaz against him would be awesome too!
Khan has boxing ability as we already knew , but lets face facts , Kotelnik was a light punching fighter , who won the title from another warren fighter Gavin Rees. So lets judge Khan after he fights a guy who can break an egg with his power. Khan has a glass jaw and thats the truth , Prescott has since been exposed as an average fighter.
Thats exactly what I had, but also, thats what Kotelnik is. Tight guard and not much movement...... Saying that, he would probably be one of the most defensive fighters your likely to come across. I say that most of the rest at 140 won't be nearly as hard to hit flush. I wanna see someone take some flush shots from khan to see if he actually has any knockout power because as of yet I haven't really seen any apart from pure volume.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
You know, one of the things that bothered me a little was when Khan covered himself up, he just kind of tucked away like an armadillo but didn't look like he was watching atall. Maybe that was just me. I'd say tuckin up like that and really not lookin like your payin attention you'd be really open to a cheeky body shot......
Solid performance though for me. I'd given Kotelnik one round poss two.....
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Alright they bud,Hatton would have a great chance on KO'ing Khan no doubt.Hatton would just charge him down and cut off Khan escape route.I was'nt too interested when i heard Khan would fight Hatton,but the more i think about the fight happening the more i like the sound of it.It would drew loads of people and would pack out any big stadium over here in the uk.I would go and watch it Live.It would be a great send off for Hatton:)Quote:
Originally Posted by chip
The most impressive thing about Kahn for me was his stamina, fair dues, he went 12 rounds and although according to punchstats his output dropped his movement at the end was fluid and effective.
Bilbo mentioned earlier in the thread that the 140lb division isn't that imposing - Kahn has noone to be afraid of.
I think he ommitted Torres and Holt from his consideration and I feel they both would relieve Kahn of his senses.
There's also Pacquiao, Hatton and Witter at the weight, so I'll find it interesting to see where Warren directs him next.
What is the bet that Amir will make a number of weak ass defenses against non-punchers.
I think he should avoid any of the top dogs and the power punchers for a few years. Maybe even relinquish his belt, and fight a couple out of Alvarado, Bailey or even Bradley. Keep busy and hone his skills. I don't think anyone can doubt there has been an improvement since he went with Freddie.
His chin looked a little bit more solid at 140. I didn't think he was troubled at any point and even though Kotelnik isn't a huge puncher he does have a bit of power and is a full blown light-welter. Maybe shades of Miguel Cotto who's chin was quite bad at 140 but good at 147. Bit too early to tell but the signs last night we're quite promising (unless you're Miles and you want to see him brutally knocked out).;D
He's 22 at the end of the day, he's still learning. There is no rush whatsoever. As for him mainly hitting gloves last night i should point out that he still landed more than double of what Kotelnik landed. He didn't have to change what he was doing because he was winning quite comfortably. Kotelnik was the one who had to change but he could never get to grips with Khan's speed and movement and as a result, he couldn't do anything.
All in all a good solid win. Kotelnik is a good quality fighter, probably up there with the best at 140 (apart from Pac) so to completely dominate him at 22 is decent.
come on man might be 3 of your olympians but they are fighting bums, as for Small and Hall it might be intriging but neither has been in with a world class fighter, can you really say thats a ppv undercard? thats friday night fight material at best, as for Khan-Kotelnik been ppv this is just Warren being Warren, didn't deserve to be ppv, heck Khan didn't even deserve a title shot, he'd never even fought at the weight, fucking Warren, as for the fight yeah Khan was good but I feel the next puncher he's in with will ko him, but Warren won't put him in with another puncher not untill he's drained people of money for more bogey ppv cards...wankerQuote:
Originally Posted by BilboI don't £15 is bad value in all honesty. You got the Amir Khan world title fight, three of our top Olympians all fighting and a really intriguing junior middleweight showdown between Anthony Small and Matthew Hall.Quote:
Originally Posted by The RelaYou talk sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
It's hard to get carried away with someone who has been on his arse quite a few times in his career.
The Sky commentators are a fucking joke, they would tell you that shit was great to eat. Amir Khan said Kotelnik was the worst World Champion out there and that was the consensus. Khan was favourite and I fully expected him to win this fight. He won it and I have seen improvements in Khan's game which is hats off to Roach imo.
I think Khan is a good fighter but the hype that surrounds him and the Frank Warren BS that surrounds him too is outrageous.
£15 ppv for Khan is sick. Too sick for words.
That's not a bad lineup for £15, certainly better value than some of HBO's weaker offerings.
(for the record I got the fight free with my dreambox ;D
Prescott is a monster for his weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Khan said so.
they all have a better dig and are better boxers than Kotelnik - so why would Khan fight them?Quote:
Originally Posted by ASIAN SENSATION
Well, Khan won, some peoples will see it as a good fight for him, some seems to see it as an average performance against an ordinary candidate. Personally, I think that he did bounce back nicely from is lost to Preskiboy, perhaps the best thing that happened to him as far as I am concerned, there is nothing like a good reality check when things seem to be too easy. PErsonally, under ROach, I think that the kid made giant leaps for his age and I think that he has the raw potential to impress a lot in the future, let's see now if his mental will follow the bumpy road and no matter how much we like or hate him, he still won a major title at a very young age and that should deserve a bit of respect at least.
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Originally Posted by Scrap
I barely remember seeing more than 5/6 clean shots landed all night mate.
Fair play Amir though on his strap
I was watching last night and all i could think of is if this kid had a good chin we would have something really special....but he hasn't and the matchmaking reeks of protection.
i'm not a khan fan but well done to him last night he done a far better job than witter did and deserves credit where its due ;)
hatton vs khan on its way and strangly enough that fight is starting to grow on me.
It was definitley a good win for Khan considering what happened 10 months ago. Kotelnik is a ring top 10 fighter that beat the guy (all be it very close) that beat Ortiz.....
We all know that Khan has great physical talent and pretty good technique but the one question is how will he react when he is hit solid by a good puncher.....that wasnt answered yesterday because Kotelnik is rather light puncher.
It was a good win but it wont make me run out and buy his next ppv cause he obviously had Kotelnik outgunned and wouldnt press the action to close the show.
More likely vacate, hes mandatory is now against the interim champ Maidana who will brutally KO Kahn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
So does that make Soleymane M'Baye decent ? I mean he beat Kotelnik TWICE.Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
[quote=leftylee;763718]You say avoid the power punchers but then say Bailey would be a good choice, Bailey would hurt and KO Khan badly.Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
Khan dominated a guy who had never been beaten in anything but a close fight before. He was robbed twice against Mbaye & was only narrowly beaten by Witter. Before the fight everyone was saying Khan had taken it too lightly & Kotelnik was this & that. He's still ring-rated, he beat Maidana who battered Ortiz & he's a very difficult fighter to look good against, but Khan managed it (although not to the extent that Jim Watt was rubbing one out over Khan's performance). He may not have landed great but he still landed better than Kotelnik who everyone was saying is an accurate puncher & almost impossible to hit. I mean even if you don't like the guy, you have to give him some credit for that performance, he fought smart, did actually get a few decent shots on Kotelnik & took a couple as well. It wasn't a classic fight, but it was never going to be.
Few things to note though, no way did Khan take every round, I had it 117-111, giving Kotelnik the 4th which could've gone either way, that 120-108 was a joke. That PPV ended up being shit. I was happy with the Hall-Small fight which was intriguing & was glad my local boy Smallie won, but seeing 3 guys having their 3rd fights as the main undercard takes the piss. Why did we not get to see Brook-Lomax, a far more significant fight, or Enzo almost gettin blinded? Kell Brook has a hell of a lot more promise than any of the Olympians & was actually fighting a dangerous opponent who he dealt with in 3. As for Jim Watt, this guy has been pissing me off for years, anyone who thinks he got up Khan's arse should listen to him during the Hatton-Mayweather fight when he appeared to suggest after the KO that the judges could have had Ricky ahead :rolleyes:
Sky should just dispose of their entire team & bring in the Setanta Sports lot. Rawling & Woodhall were always pretty good especially compared to the Sky lot.
A disgrace mate, i dont know why Sky ever split up the Darke/Mccrory partnershp up I loved watching them two do the big fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Warren is a tosser, how can he not have especially Kell Brook on the live slot if for anything a marketing ploy as he is looking like the most talented younger fighter we have in the UK, surely this would give him great exposure and have people talking, but no Frank would rather show " the olypians " against local bin men, ok De Gale id give him a slot on the live show as he is a gold medalist and is well known to jo public, but lets be honest any average punter probably cant even remember Saunders being at the Olympics he was knocked out so early in the event, and Gavin didnt even start the Olympics.
The Tv slot should of had Enzo,Brook,De Gale,Small and Khan fights would of been much better viewing, fuck there three fighters until they have stepped it up If it means watching breaking through stars like Brook.
Well those who know me know im not a kahn lover. I think the way boxing is in general nowadays is terrible, Kahn is a cash cow and warren is milking it to the max. He bypassed domestic level top fighters got found out and knocked out by an unknown. But came back against a drunk irishman. Then a blind old dwarf mexican. And moved away from the danger zone lightweight division, to fight a solid AVERAGE operator. Safety trip to the world title. Sad. I dont know his next move. I did read morales? Another legend well past his best. I dont think it will be maidana. He still hasnt proved anything to me. Sorry kahn fans.