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my posts throughout the fight counting down how many mins or rounds salido had left to win by KO were correct.
2 judges had lopez up 86-84 after 9 rounds and one had it 85-85.
I wasn't scoring it round by round, but I'm pretty sure I would have had Salido ahead.
Lopez clearly ain't the brightest muthafukka around. In or out of the ring
Boxing is such a corrupt piece of shit sport ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Whole time I was watching Salido dominate the fight I was thinking and saying its a shame because if it goes the distance he is going to still lose.
GREAT FIGHT.
Lets just forget Lopez' delusional rant and the judges BS cards.
All action fight and Salido proved it was no fluke the first time. Far from it.
Salido's better than his record would indicate. I can't believe he's actually lost 11 times.
Anybody else maybe but haven't you fucking notice Lopez is always fucking complaining about something? Come tomorrow he'll have even more things to complain aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
It's frustration, dude. Someone in JuanMa's camp should step in and do some damage control. JuanMa just went to hell and back, and lost for the second time in his career... and against the same guy... in his hometown. And he's being interviewed literally seconds after being KO'ed. You can't really hold this shit against him too much. He'll probably regret it tomorrow.
"Part of the problem with this Gus was...Lopez got knocked the fu?! Out and no one was planning on that"
haha everyone is making excuses for JuanMa tonight
Agree...I think he's in all seriousness still Fubar and lashing out. Kind of gives a 'boy cries wolf' when bashing refs-judges though.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
It's frustration, dude. Someone in JuanMa's camp should step in and do some damage control. JuanMa just went to hell and back, and lost for the second time in his career... and against the same guy... in his hometown. And he's being interviewed literally seconds after being KO'ed. You can't really hold this shit against him too much. He'll probably regret it tomorrow.
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Originally Posted by Violent DemiseAnybody else maybe but haven't you fucking notice Lopez is always fucking complaining about something? Come tomorrow he'll have even more things to complain aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
It's frustration, dude. Someone in JuanMa's camp should step in and do some damage control. JuanMa just went to hell and back, and lost for the second time in his career... and against the same guy... in his hometown. And he's being interviewed literally seconds after being KO'ed. You can't really hold this shit against him too much. He'll probably regret it tomorrow.
For the record, I didn't like the way they complained about a premature stoppage in the first Salido fight..... and I sure as hell didn't like his rant against the referees now. I'm sure he'll regret saying that shit tomorrow (or maybe even later tonight), but the damage is done. It's too bad, really. 'Cause he left it all out there in the ring and along with Salido made this one of the classic fights of our times.
WTF? Lopez is delusional/punch drunk if he thinks he "dominated" the fight and could have continued after that brutal KD in the 10th round, he was out on his feet. Had the ref let it continue JuanMa could have gotten seriously injured, he was defenseless.
Great fight, Salido acted like a gentleman after the fight, which goes a long way with me.
G'night homies, see you next Saturday for Sergio Martinez vs. Matthew Macklin, 12 rounds, for Martinez's Ring magazine middleweight title.
cheers
Wow! That was a great fight!
Salido & Lopez both showed a lot of heart, but damn Salido is just one tough mother fucker.
I don't know what that hell Lopez was thinking with his post interview bullshit though. That was pretty retarded.
Yeah, just an epic fight so glad I tuned in last minute. Lopez should be cut some slack for his post fight interviews, but not entirely let off the hook imo. That ref probably just added YEARS to his life, no kidding whatsoever. Lopez was SO fucked. And he wants to talk about how the ref had a gambling problem? Clearly that wasn't entirely a heat of the moment thing.
I agree with this, cut the guy a little slack, he probably didn't realize what he was saying. (hopefully)Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
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Originally Posted by p4pking
Hey, I actually agree. Hopefully he'll be fined and given an admonishment for dumping on the refs like that. I didn't like it after the first Salido fight... and I certainly liked it even less after this fight. It's one thing to be frustrated. It's quite another to unnecessarily dump on refs that have done a good job.
Lopez heart has never been an issue. He loves fighting. And it shows. He's fun to watch. Problem for him is he's a sucker for the right hand. Always has been. I don't see him ever being champion againQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseAnybody else maybe but haven't you fucking notice Lopez is always fucking complaining about something? Come tomorrow he'll have even more things to complain aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
It's frustration, dude. Someone in JuanMa's camp should step in and do some damage control. JuanMa just went to hell and back, and lost for the second time in his career... and against the same guy... in his hometown. And he's being interviewed literally seconds after being KO'ed. You can't really hold this shit against him too much. He'll probably regret it tomorrow.
For the record, I didn't like the way they complained about a premature stoppage in the first Salido fight..... and I sure as hell didn't like his rant against the referees now. I'm sure he'll regret saying that shit tomorrow (or maybe even later tonight), but the damage is done. It's too bad, really. 'Cause he left it all out there in the ring and along with Salido made this one of the classic fights of our times.
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Originally Posted by Mars_axI agree with this, cut the guy a little slack, he probably didn't realize what he was saying. (hopefully)Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
While I think it's kind of unfair to expect complete logic out of a fighter that's just been beaten as badly as JuanMa was in a total WAR.... it was also kind of shocking to hear him talk about the refs having a gambling issue. It caught me completely off guard. JuanMa should and probably WILL hear about it tomorrow. Kind of feel bad for him, 'cause he left it all out there tonight and went out on his shield.
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Originally Posted by Violent DemiseLopez heart has never been an issue. He loves fighting. And it shows. He's fun to watch. Problem for him is he's a sucker for the right hand. Always has been. I don't see him ever being champion againQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseAnybody else maybe but haven't you fucking notice Lopez is always fucking complaining about something? Come tomorrow he'll have even more things to complain aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
It's frustration, dude. Someone in JuanMa's camp should step in and do some damage control. JuanMa just went to hell and back, and lost for the second time in his career... and against the same guy... in his hometown. And he's being interviewed literally seconds after being KO'ed. You can't really hold this shit against him too much. He'll probably regret it tomorrow.
For the record, I didn't like the way they complained about a premature stoppage in the first Salido fight..... and I sure as hell didn't like his rant against the referees now. I'm sure he'll regret saying that shit tomorrow (or maybe even later tonight), but the damage is done. It's too bad, really. 'Cause he left it all out there in the ring and along with Salido made this one of the classic fights of our times.
He does love to fight. Kind of reminds me of Trinidad in that regard. But I didn't realize just how bad his defense is and how vulnerable he is to the overhand right. He took SO many shots tonight. It pains me to say it.... but I kind of have my doubts myself about JuanMa's future. First, his lack of defense will always be his Achilles heel. Second, he's quickly becoming battle-worn. An old 28-year old, if you will. Shit..... and he started out so well.
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Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Hey, I actually agree. Hopefully he'll be fined and given an admonishment for dumping on the refs like that. I didn't like it after the first Salido fight... and I certainly liked it even less after this fight. It's one thing to be frustrated. It's quite another to unnecessarily dump on refs that have done a good job.
It was especially bad form the more I think about it. That ref did a perfectly good job, he wasn't a factor in the fight whatsoever and would've been completely out of line to let it continue. Let alone the fact that 2 judges actually had Lopez WINNING, he is fucking batshit to be complaining about any of the officials and probably burnt some bridges for himself big time.
I think what Lopez said was outrageous. He gave no credit to his opponent, thought he was dominating and then makes a completely random attack on the referee. And then seeing those scorecards. :confused:
The fight was fantastic, so it's a shame to have those kinds of things detract from it.
Lopez should seriously consider his future because I think he is done at the very top. He isn't smart enough to adapt and eats right hands for breakfast. He will have brain damage the way he is going.
Really it's not even a defense thing. He can avoid punches when he wants too. It's an ego thing. He thinks so highly of himself that he doesn't think he does anything wrong. If things don't go his way it's somebodies else fault. Never his own. It's one of the reasons he's always complaining and arguing with the refs. I thought the loss to Salido in there first fight would of brought him down some. But it was obvious in the Mike Oliver fight that it didn't. He won it early but it was obvious he hadn't learned a damn thing. He got hit with the same right hands he always gets hit with. Lopez hasn't made any adjustments since his first loss cuz in his head it wasn't his fault he lost. It was the ref'sQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseLopez heart has never been an issue. He loves fighting. And it shows. He's fun to watch. Problem for him is he's a sucker for the right hand. Always has been. I don't see him ever being champion againQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseAnybody else maybe but haven't you fucking notice Lopez is always fucking complaining about something? Come tomorrow he'll have even more things to complain aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
It's frustration, dude. Someone in JuanMa's camp should step in and do some damage control. JuanMa just went to hell and back, and lost for the second time in his career... and against the same guy... in his hometown. And he's being interviewed literally seconds after being KO'ed. You can't really hold this shit against him too much. He'll probably regret it tomorrow.
For the record, I didn't like the way they complained about a premature stoppage in the first Salido fight..... and I sure as hell didn't like his rant against the referees now. I'm sure he'll regret saying that shit tomorrow (or maybe even later tonight), but the damage is done. It's too bad, really. 'Cause he left it all out there in the ring and along with Salido made this one of the classic fights of our times.
He does love to fight. Kind of reminds me of Trinidad in that regard. But I didn't realize just how bad his defense is and how vulnerable he is to the overhand right. He took SO many shots tonight. It pains me to say it.... but I kind of have my doubts myself about JuanMa's future. First, his lack of defense will always be his Achilles heel. Second, he's quickly becoming battle-worn. An old 28-year old, if you will. Shit..... and he started out so well.
Damn the way Lopez's head snapped back and forth when he elbow hit the canvas was brutal, hell of a fight. Great credit to both men in there for putting on a great show.
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Originally Posted by Violent DemiseReally it's not even a defense thing. He can avoid punches when he wants too. It's an ego thing. He thinks so highly of himself that he doesn't think he does anything wrong. If things don't go his way it's somebodies else fault. Never his own. It's one of the reasons he's always complaining and arguing with the refs. I thought the loss to Salido in there first fight would of brought him down some. But it was obvious in the Mike Oliver fight that it didn't. He won it early but it was obvious he hadn't learned a damn thing. He got hit with the same right hands he always gets hit with. Lopez hasn't made any adjustments since his first loss cuz in his head it wasn't his fault he lost. It was the ref'sQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseLopez heart has never been an issue. He loves fighting. And it shows. He's fun to watch. Problem for him is he's a sucker for the right hand. Always has been. I don't see him ever being champion againQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseAnybody else maybe but haven't you fucking notice Lopez is always fucking complaining about something? Come tomorrow he'll have even more things to complain aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
It's frustration, dude. Someone in JuanMa's camp should step in and do some damage control. JuanMa just went to hell and back, and lost for the second time in his career... and against the same guy... in his hometown. And he's being interviewed literally seconds after being KO'ed. You can't really hold this shit against him too much. He'll probably regret it tomorrow.
For the record, I didn't like the way they complained about a premature stoppage in the first Salido fight..... and I sure as hell didn't like his rant against the referees now. I'm sure he'll regret saying that shit tomorrow (or maybe even later tonight), but the damage is done. It's too bad, really. 'Cause he left it all out there in the ring and along with Salido made this one of the classic fights of our times.
He does love to fight. Kind of reminds me of Trinidad in that regard. But I didn't realize just how bad his defense is and how vulnerable he is to the overhand right. He took SO many shots tonight. It pains me to say it.... but I kind of have my doubts myself about JuanMa's future. First, his lack of defense will always be his Achilles heel. Second, he's quickly becoming battle-worn. An old 28-year old, if you will. Shit..... and he started out so well.
I don't know. Look how he started tonight. He started timidly, giving Salido way too much respect. He even looked gun-shy, and the announcers picked up on it also. It took a few rounds for him to loosen up and begin boxing and trading with Salido. But he's way too open for Salido's shots. And they were hurting him. For awhile I thought... oh no... it's looks like it might end even earlier than the first fight. Amazingly enough, he caught Salido with a short left hook that I didn't even see until the replay. Unfortunately for JuanMa, the round was almost over. Then JuanMa got some bravado into him and began plugging forward. But Salido's shots were still getting through. I don't really know what it is. But it's obvious Salido has JuanMa's number. Where JuanMa goes from here is anybody's guess. It'd be sad to see him hang it up, 'cause I also enjoy watching him fight. But he's got some serious analysis to do about the direction his career has to go at this moment. But yeah.... he's got to mature and stop blaming the refs for his troubles. It doesn't look well, and isn't going to win him any new fans.
Even though it had happened already in the first fight, seeing Lopez knocked senseless was still a bit of a shock. Salido was just fucking relentless, and while he was able to take Lopez best shots, Lopez could not take Salido's pressure and power. I won't say Lopez ever gave up trying, but it looked like he had totally given it his all and/or was punched out when the KO came in the 10th round.
I thought Lopez deserved a lot of credit for pushing Salido back and at least trying something else in I think rounds 7 and 8. It was all he could do given his disposition but he was still taking just as much punishment and couldn't hurt Salido. He sure as hell made it a terrific fight though, shame he tainted his performance with that ridiculous tirade afterwards.
Yes, this. Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Why are people cutting him slack for this? I've seen plenty of guys interviewed after very upsetting brutal KOs but I've never heard any of them lash out with personal attacks on the ref and accusations of straight-up corruption.
The only round I scored for Lopez was the one where he knocked down Salido. You could have scored the 9th for him if you wanted to, I suppose. I thought it was probably Salido's round but a round you could legitimately score even. The judges' scores were even more outrageous than the Cloud-Campillo scores. It really seems like the last 12 months has had an inordinate amount of just wildly wrong scores.
I just hope that the ref in fact did have his lifes savings riding on Salido for christs sake! To imply it would've had anything to do with the outcome, however.......:vd: .
Garcia is a rising star, cool calm and calculated.
Salido was awesome, he would not be denied.
1-Lopez has always been easy to find with right hands
2-Lopez has gotten by beating up on mostly smaller men; go through his resume and ask yourself who is the naturally bigger man and it is almost always Lopez
3-Lopez has taken some punishment in other fights. He could walk through shots coming at him because he was so damn big. And eventually his opponent, being smaller, wouldn't be able to withstand it. But taking everyone's good shots even when you end up steamrolling them isn't a good strategy for long term health.
4-Salido is not a smaller guy. He has fought alot at 126, but also been higher in some fights, and looks like he could fight at 130 very easily.
I think Lopez was going to struggle as his career went on. He was going to have some accumulative punishment (even in winning his fights) that would take a little bit out of him. And eventually he was going to fight guys that aren't smaller than him. That are going to be able to stand up to his punishment.
Let's remember these judges for their next fights. Michael Pernick (Lopez up by two points), Cesar Ramos (same), and Denis Nelson (draw). Giampa had the right score on his unofficial scorecard, 88-83.Quote:
Originally Posted by shzaYes, this. Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Why are people cutting him slack for this? I've seen plenty of guys interviewed after very upsetting brutal KOs but I've never heard any of them lash out with personal attacks on the ref and accusations of straight-up corruption.
The only round I scored for Lopez was the one where he knocked down Salido. You could have scored the 9th for him if you wanted to, I suppose. I thought it was probably Salido's round but a round you could legitimately score even. The judges' scores were even more outrageous than the Cloud-Campillo scores. It really seems like the last 12 months has had an inordinate amount of just wildly wrong scores.
Salido knew he just about had to win by knockout, because chances are he wasn't going to get a fair shake on the scorecards. As it turned out Salido was 100% correct, good job taking the judges out of the equation.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratLet's remember these judges for their next fights. Michael Pernick (Lopez up by two points), Cesar Ramos (same), and Denis Nelson (draw). Giampa had the right score on his unofficial scorecard, 88-83.Quote:
Originally Posted by shzaYes, this. Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Why are people cutting him slack for this? I've seen plenty of guys interviewed after very upsetting brutal KOs but I've never heard any of them lash out with personal attacks on the ref and accusations of straight-up corruption.
The only round I scored for Lopez was the one where he knocked down Salido. You could have scored the 9th for him if you wanted to, I suppose. I thought it was probably Salido's round but a round you could legitimately score even. The judges' scores were even more outrageous than the Cloud-Campillo scores. It really seems like the last 12 months has had an inordinate amount of just wildly wrong scores.