Wladimirs resume is excellent...

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I prove that George Foreman hits harder by showing his KO%

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Deontay wilder has 100% ratio! KO ratio in world title fights are more relevant:

·George Foreman 42.8% (3 of 7)
·Wladimir Klitschko 77.7% (14 0f 18 ) Note: In fact it's more than eighteen now as that statistic is a couple of years old too!

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GEORGE FOREMAN KO'D MORE FIGHTERS THAN WLADIMIR HAS

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Foreman - 81 Fights in total!

WK - 61 FIGHTS in total!

LOL.

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Why should I post a source for my Freddie Roach quote, it's not like you posted one for yours now is it

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Which quote would u like the source for?

P.S VK (87.23%) and Marciano (87.76%) have higher ratio's than GF and WK. Do u agree they hit harder then? "I prove that George Foreman hit's harder by showing his KO%" Your words! LOL. ;)

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I prove that George Foreman hits harder by showing his KO%

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Deontay wilder has 100% ratio! KO ratio in world title fights are more relevant:

·George Foreman 42.8% (3 of 7)
·Wladimir Klitschko 77.7% (14 0f 18 ) Note: In fact it's more than eighteen now as that statistic is a couple of years old too!

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GEORGE FOREMAN KO'D MORE FIGHTERS THAN WLADIMIR HAS

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Foreman - 81 Fights in total!

WK - 61 FIGHTS in total!

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Why should I post a source for my Freddie Roach quote, it's not like you posted one for yours now is it

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Which quote would u like the source for?

P.S VK (87.23%) and Marciano (87.76%) have higher ratio's than GF and WK. Do u agree they hit harder then? "I prove that George Foreman hit's harder by showing his KO%" Your words! LOL. ;)

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And for some of those 81 total fights Foreman was over 40 years old and was still knocking guys out. And Hell yes Rocky Marciano hit hard he didn't stop guys by playing patty cake with them...yes Vitali Klitschko hits hard, but the thing is I don't need to talk shit about George Foreman to recognize their power you dope

Manny is saying that Wlad is too cautious and does not punch as hard as he should do. Big difference to saying he is the hardest punching heavyweight of all time.

Wlad has never shown that devastating punch power that Manny describes where the lights of the opponent goes out or they fall up and down from one punch. He says he has seen it is sparring but not in an actual fight.

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Manny is saying that Wlad is too cautious and does not punch as hard as he should do. Big difference to saying he is the hardest punching heavyweight of all time.

Wlad has never shown that devastating punch power that Manny describes where the lights of the opponent goes out or they fall up and down from one punch. He says he has seen it is sparring but not in an actual fight.

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Sounds like vlad really is just a better version of audley. No real fighting heart.

We all like to talk about size and punching power..how about heart?

I hope all fighters continue to improve and better themselves as there is better technology and superb fitness trainers, etc.

The fact still remains a guy like vlad is bigger, stronger, fitter than most heavyweights of all time but he lacks the composure and smarts from someone like ali who would dance and cut vlad to shreds for 12 rds.

Vlad is a very very good fighter but great fighters have great competition.

Can you elaborate on his lack of heart? Or his lack of composure?

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Can you elaborate on his lack of heart? Or his lack of composure?

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Fighting heart. Everyone keeps going on about size and power. Vlad cant help the fact he is that tall, big and powerful. He has an advantage just like a guy with fast hands has an advantage. Vlad doesnt have that thing in him that makes him totally use all his advantages to full potential.
He will be happy to just plod along even against weak ass competition.
Thats what turns me off.
If i had free tickets to a heavyweight vlad fight or watch a basic glorified sparring session in forest hill..i would rather watch the sparring.

Not everyone wants a rocky movie for every fight but vlad is soooo boring to watch!

I understand that but let me ask you this, would you agree with me that Mayweather fights an effective style but it does not mean that fights are congruent to a safety first style of fight? Essentially, isn't he a horrible/okay/good/great/genius (whichever you like) boxer if over the course of the fight he systematically breaks down his opponent and that his victory is based purely on skill rather than just brutishly forcing his way forward?

Is that not the sweet science?

Now mind you I'm not asking you if he's an exciting fighter for you to watch, I'm merely asking if what he's doing is considered high art in boxing?


I'll say this too, I always liked Vitali over Wlad because I think he has a better subliminal understanding of distance and angles.

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I understand that but let me ask you this, would you agree with me that Mayweather fights an effective style but it does not mean that fights are congruent to a safety first style of fight? Essentially, isn't he a horrible/okay/good/great/genius (whichever you like) boxer if over the course of the fight he systematically breaks down his opponent and that his victory is based purely on skill rather than just brutishly forcing his way forward?

Is that not the sweet science?

Now mind you I'm not asking you if he's an exciting fighter for you to watch, I'm merely asking if what he's doing is considered high art in boxing?


I'll say this too, I always liked Vitali over Wlad because I think he has a better subliminal understanding of distance and angles.

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I agree. I prefer vitali to vlad as well for the same reason.

Floyd is a different species.
Even the people that hate floyd respect his skills and flawless accurate boxing style.
When you watch floyd fight you are watching a piece of art that wont be with us for long that every boxer aspires too regarding reflexes and superb defense.

Adrian broner does so well because he copies floyd style and has the skills to make his own version of it.

What fighter today wakes up in the morning and thinks i really wish i fought like vlad?

You cant knock vlads achievements but you can knock his style and the fact with having a natural born advantage over everyone else, best trainer for that divison in manny, and a big brother to rely on who is also a world champion and the better of the two.

No one will ever view vlad as a pound for pound champ compared to other pound for pound champions past/present in varied weight classes.

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Originally Posted by DavilaJones

I understand that but let me ask you this, would you agree with me that Mayweather fights an effective style but it does not mean that fights are congruent to a safety first style of fight? Essentially, isn't he a horrible/okay/good/great/genius (whichever you like) boxer if over the course of the fight he systematically breaks down his opponent and that his victory is based purely on skill rather than just brutishly forcing his way forward?

Is that not the sweet science?

Now mind you I'm not asking you if he's an exciting fighter for you to watch, I'm merely asking if what he's doing is considered high art in boxing?


I'll say this too, I always liked Vitali over Wlad because I think he has a better subliminal understanding of distance and angles.

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I agree. I prefer vitali to vlad as well for the same reason.

Floyd is a different species.
Even the people that hate floyd respect his skills and flawless accurate boxing style.
When you watch floyd fight you are watching a piece of art that wont be with us for long that every boxer aspires too regarding reflexes and superb defense.

Adrian broner does so well because he copies floyd style and has the skills to make his own version of it.

What fighter today wakes up in the morning and thinks i really wish i fought like vlad?

You cant knock vlads achievements but you can knock his style and the fact with having a natural born advantage over everyone else, best trainer for that divison in manny, and a big brother to rely on who is also a world champion and the better of the two.

No one will ever view vlad as a pound for pound champ compared to other pound for pound champions past/present in varied weight classes.

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People already have him ranked highly in their P4P ratings. I usually dismiss the idea of heavyweights being considered for P4P status as it was originally meant to show "Who's the next best fighter compared to the heavyweight champion" but to each their own.

Wlad's style, given his weaknesses is very good. Sure he has natural height & reach advantages but hell so does Julius Long and Nicolay Valuev, but Wladimir uses his skills to his advantage to such a degree his opponents don't even have a chance.

So do VK and the rock punch harder than foreman? By your own admission El Kabong KO% is PROOF that foreman hit's harder than WK so i am assuming you are saying VK and RM are the hardest punchers of all time! Yes or No? Simple question.

I told u to pay more attention to KO% in world title fight's rather than overall KO ratio (Fight's at the highest level. Not the Kayo'ing of the alex stewart's of this world!) At least u now admit one of the K2 harder! LOL.

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So do VK and the rock punch harder than foreman? By your own admission El Kabong KO% is PROOF that foreman hit's harder than WK so i am assuming you are saying VK and RM are the hardest punchers of all time! Yes or No? Simple question.

I told u to pay more attention to KO% in world title fight's rather than overall KO ratio (Fight's at the highest level. Not the Kayo'ing of the alex stewart's of this world!) At least u now admit one of the K2 harder! LOL.

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The point I am making is that I can call them all GREAT power punchers without shitting on their careers. My individual view of who hits/hit the hardest is more than likely different than a lot of people's but I'd rate Foreman & The Klitschko's easily top 10.

I'm at a loss as to what it matters if it's a trinket fight or a non trinket fight when it comes to gauging punching power. It would only seem to be loaded in that clearly the Klitschkos have more trinket fights than a Foreman etc. and is stacking the deck. Power doesn't check itself at the door does it? The who and the how matters far more than some trumped up obvious slant and bias that Tokyo Rose would envy.