Re: Hopkins - Kovalev Alien/Krusher HBO/Box Nation thread
I agree. Hopkins deserves credit for taking the fight and proving that Kovalev is not invincible. I have never been a great Hopkins fan, for me he has always been a spoiler, probably the best. No disrespect to Kovalev but a division that has a 50 year old champion cannot be in good shape. Bernard fought and won in a much tougher division before moving up into a weaker division. I feel a bit sorry for Kovalev, he could be a great champion, but who is there to give him a serious challenge and give him a chance to prove his ability. Bernard is a phenomally fit person with good attitude but should he carry on? I would like to see him hang up his gloves on a good note rather than being on the undercard.
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anybody who thinks froch would get stopped doesnt know anything about boxing...B hop tonight didnt get stopped .. why the fuck would froch get stopped...when has froch been hurt ever apart from understaming the ginger chelsea rent boy groves? and he still got up and beat him !!! yeah JT knocked him down years ago but he got KTFO after that
Froch has been hurt plenty of times, against Kessler, Pascal, Taylor, Ward, Dirrell, just off the top of my head. Maybe not badly, but he feels shots, and relies on being able to stand up to them. I think Kovalev has a different kind of power than any of those guys. I'm not even saying Froch would get stopped, but I don't think that's a foolish prediction given that he's never fought at 175 either and is getting up there. Most guys aren't Hopkins, Froch has been in some wars and has always been a big super middle, there is no reason to think he can beat Kovalev.
its a boxing fight you will get punched...if he was hurt he would have got KTFO or lost ?? he might have got hit but not hurt !!! we wont know anyway cos he wont move up to see if he could...but he should !!!
on a side note i am gutted B hop just got outboxed and battered :(
Carl is a great crowd pleasing fighter. I love watching his fights. But Kovalev? I don't think so. Leave him well alone Carl.
Re: Hopkins - Kovalev Alien/Krusher HBO/Box Nation thread
No doubt in my mind Kovalev beats Ward now. Just too skilled and too strong. Froch gets destroyed by Kov too but it aint ever happening. Froch aint that stupid.
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anybody who thinks froch would get stopped doesnt know anything about boxing...B hop tonight didnt get stopped .. why the fuck would froch get stopped...when has froch been hurt ever apart from understaming the ginger chelsea rent boy groves? and he still got up and beat him !!! yeah JT knocked him down years ago but he got KTFO after that
Froch has been hurt plenty of times, against Kessler, Pascal, Taylor, Ward, Dirrell, just off the top of my head. Maybe not badly, but he feels shots, and relies on being able to stand up to them. I think Kovalev has a different kind of power than any of those guys. I'm not even saying Froch would get stopped, but I don't think that's a foolish prediction given that he's never fought at 175 either and is getting up there. Most guys aren't Hopkins, Froch has been in some wars and has always been a big super middle, there is no reason to think he can beat Kovalev.
its a boxing fight you will get punched...if he was hurt he would have got KTFO or lost ?? he might have got hit but not hurt !!! we wont know anyway cos he wont move up to see if he could...but he should !!!
on a side note i am gutted B hop just got outboxed and battered :(
So he wasn't hurt after being dropped against Groves?
Mate, if that round was 10 seconds longer it would have been Groves KO1.
Froch is tough, he might not get stopped, but you can't say he wouldn't get stopped just because Hopkins didn't. Hopkins is a different case. Froch HAS been hurt and HAS been dropped. Kovalev hits harder than Taylor or Groves so it is conceivable that Kovalev could stop him.
Hopkins has a better chin than Froch (Froch has a good chin) AND doesn't engage in the brawls that Froch does.
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anybody who thinks froch would get stopped doesnt know anything about boxing...B hop tonight didnt get stopped .. why the fuck would froch get stopped...when has froch been hurt ever apart from understaming the ginger chelsea rent boy groves? and he still got up and beat him !!! yeah JT knocked him down years ago but he got KTFO after that
Froch has been hurt plenty of times, against Kessler, Pascal, Taylor, Ward, Dirrell, just off the top of my head. Maybe not badly, but he feels shots, and relies on being able to stand up to them. I think Kovalev has a different kind of power than any of those guys. I'm not even saying Froch would get stopped, but I don't think that's a foolish prediction given that he's never fought at 175 either and is getting up there. Most guys aren't Hopkins, Froch has been in some wars and has always been a big super middle, there is no reason to think he can beat Kovalev.
It's an interesting list have fighters you have chosen to name those who hurt froch
He was never hurt in the way of wobbled against ward or pascal
Taylor put him over and dirrell and kes wobbled him, what about groves?
I remember him rocked a fair few times against Pascal. Not wobbled but buzzed. Hopkins had never looked buzzed.
Groves? Dropped him heavily, Froch legs gone, and hurt him several more times.
Re: Hopkins - Kovalev Alien/Krusher HBO/Box Nation thread
Hopkin was a beast in this fight! He really took some good punches! Good head moves as well! I think he did good for his condition and his age! Glad kovalev won though! He might have a good career infront of him now! Hope he he cheers and drink a bottle of putinka! He's worth it! So am i! :)
Re: Hopkins - Kovalev Alien/Krusher HBO/Box Nation thread
For Hopkins to go the full 12 was really remarkable, Archie Moore has nothing on Hopkins. Bhop was still sliding and rolling punches like a champ, but Kovalev fought a perfect fight.
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For Hopkins to go the full 12 was really remarkable, Archie Moore has nothing on Hopkins. Bhop was still sliding and rolling punches like a champ, but Kovalev fought a perfect fight.
notice how hopkins broke down everything he did wrong in the fight. explained what kov was doing to win.hop will be a great trainer.
Re: Hopkins - Kovalev Alien/Krusher HBO/Box Nation thread
Anyone know where I can watch a replay?
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Sorry, what was that about Kovalev being one-dimensional and just a puncher?
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Anyone know where I can watch a replay?
Hopkins vs Kovalev - full fight Video 2014 result WBA
remeber the website ;) its a good one
Re: Hopkins - Kovalev Alien/Krusher HBO/Box Nation thread
On rewatch that KD was a peach, perfect timing after taking steps back and running Hopkins into it. Mass respect to Hopkins in that 12th, he sponged a beating and showed nothing but brass balls.
Re: Hopkins - Kovalev Alien/Krusher HBO/Box Nation thread
It is also being replayed right now on hbo
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anybody who thinks froch would get stopped doesnt know anything about boxing...B hop tonight didnt get stopped .. why the fuck would froch get stopped...when has froch been hurt ever apart from understaming the ginger chelsea rent boy groves? and he still got up and beat him !!! yeah JT knocked him down years ago but he got KTFO after that
Froch has been hurt plenty of times, against Kessler, Pascal, Taylor, Ward, Dirrell, just off the top of my head. Maybe not badly, but he feels shots, and relies on being able to stand up to them. I think Kovalev has a different kind of power than any of those guys. I'm not even saying Froch would get stopped, but I don't think that's a foolish prediction given that he's never fought at 175 either and is getting up there. Most guys aren't Hopkins, Froch has been in some wars and has always been a big super middle, there is no reason to think he can beat Kovalev.
It's an interesting list have fighters you have chosen to name those who hurt froch
He was never hurt in the way of wobbled against ward or pascal
Taylor put him over and dirrell and kes wobbled him, what about groves?
I remember him rocked a fair few times against Pascal. Not wobbled but buzzed. Hopkins had never looked buzzed.
Groves? Dropped him heavily, Froch legs gone, and hurt him several more times.
Hopkins was out on his feet last night
Exactly, that's the point. Look at him prior to Kovalev. Rarely if ever hurt.
Look at Froch. Sometimes hurt. Been hurt badly. Been dropped by lesser punchers than Kovalev.
Therefore it is reasonable to suggest that Kovalev could stop Froch.
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anybody who thinks froch would get stopped doesnt know anything about boxing...B hop tonight didnt get stopped .. why the fuck would froch get stopped...when has froch been hurt ever apart from understaming the ginger chelsea rent boy groves? and he still got up and beat him !!! yeah JT knocked him down years ago but he got KTFO after that
Froch has been hurt plenty of times, against Kessler, Pascal, Taylor, Ward, Dirrell, just off the top of my head. Maybe not badly, but he feels shots, and relies on being able to stand up to them. I think Kovalev has a different kind of power than any of those guys. I'm not even saying Froch would get stopped, but I don't think that's a foolish prediction given that he's never fought at 175 either and is getting up there. Most guys aren't Hopkins, Froch has been in some wars and has always been a big super middle, there is no reason to think he can beat Kovalev.
It's an interesting list have fighters you have chosen to name those who hurt froch
He was never hurt in the way of wobbled against ward or pascal
Taylor put him over and dirrell and kes wobbled him, what about groves?
I remember him rocked a fair few times against Pascal. Not wobbled but buzzed. Hopkins had never looked buzzed.
Groves? Dropped him heavily, Froch legs gone, and hurt him several more times.
Hopkins was out on his feet last night
Exactly, that's the point. Look at him prior to Kovalev. Rarely if ever hurt.
Look at Froch. Sometimes hurt. Been hurt badly. Been dropped by lesser punchers than Kovalev.
Therefore it is reasonable to suggest that Kovalev could stop Froch.
I'm not arguing with that, I think kovalev could stop froch
I'm not sure you're giving frochs punch resistance the credit it deserves tho, and remember froch has fought at a massively higher level than kovalev against the elite in his division
Froch has very good punch resistance.
It's just that Tam said that as Kovalev couldn't stop Hopkins that meant he couldn't stop Froch.
Was just pointing out the flawed logic there.
Re: Hopkins - Kovalev Alien/Krusher HBO/Box Nation thread
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I was wrong about Kovalev stopping the old man but I never saw the one dimensional Kovalev that Hop talked about either. Respect to them both. That was a text book example of designing a creative game plan and then sticking to it religiously. Nice to see Hopkins and Kovalev showing respect to each other after the final bell. I would not have been surprised to see the ref jump in and stop it in the final round if that were any other fighter.
Re: Hopkins - Kovalev Alien/Krusher HBO/Box Nation thread
I wanted the post fight interview, and I have to say Hopkins really earned my respect for what he said. It was a pure display of class.
