Re: The most explosive fight in years - Golovkin v Lemieux
Golovkin is really good, but I want to see him against names. Lemieux was game, but limited. Its a shame the Hopkins, Williams, Pavlik, Taylor sorts are no longer around. MW looks a little barren. Kind of Calzaghe at SMW at MW.
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Really liked Ortiz before he became a juicer.
This is a for the interim WBA title ???
Pathetic!!!!!!!!!!!! The first televised 'fight' was crap too.
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Steve Willis = Bitch Pussy
Could he stick his tongue further up Golovkin's ass while Buffer announced the winner? I don't think so.
Does he have a glass eye? A lazy eye? Whats with his fucking eyes!?!??!
He's telepathic, he felt some bad vibes directed toward him and was trying to find you through the camera. He gets that look on his face in search mode. Beware! :cool:
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Bit disappointed with the referee really. Thought he was awful. Golovkin should have had points taken for hitting on the floor and perhaps should have had a stronger word with GGG for hitting after the bell.
I also think as the rounds went on, Lemieux was having a bit more success. Not by much, but he was starting to take more risks and looked like landing something. He was warning of the stoppage from about round 6 and he kind of stepped in when not much was happening for the eventual stoppage. Just frustrating as Lemieux was showing signs of going for broke, which probably would have been his best bet to begin with.
GGG should have had a stern warning or a point deduction for the punch when Lemieux was down but the stoppage was legit and well timed. Lemieux was getting his ass handed to him and it would have gotten worse as the fight progressed. GGG was going to beat Lemieux into the canvas if that is what it took.
Lemieux was giving everything he had and it was not enough, in any way at all! Fact, as Fenster says.
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GGG handed Lemieux a one sided beating, why was it no surprise it's what Golovkin does he grinds
people down, he dominates his opponents he not flash or brash, he just beats the shit out of you
and I like him.;)
That's him alright and I like him too!
Re: The most explosive fight in years - Golovkin v Lemieux
Gonzalez was brilliant. Sheer poetry at times, as if he was creating an already imagined masterpiece, and that is no way underplaying the more than game performance of Viloria.
Golovkin did what he always does and took his opponent to pieces. I think part of the reason he looks so dominant in doing so is that he and his coach really study each opponent and they are often not given credit for doing so. He creates space and time to work because he really is not so heavy handed that he is in the habit of finishing things with one punch ( although his body shots nearly always signal the end being near if not immediate), and so he hammers his opponents into the corner of his own workshop, and they forget that they are there to earn a living. It's not so much that they are caught up in admiring his work, but more that he leaves them little light in which to figure out how to start. He hits thunderously hard at range and mixes it up beautifully up close, that's a rare and winning combination.
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Bit disappointed with the referee really. Thought he was awful. Golovkin should have had points taken for hitting on the floor and perhaps should have had a stronger word with GGG for hitting after the bell.
I also think as the rounds went on, Lemieux was having a bit more success. Not by much, but he was starting to take more risks and looked like landing something. He was warning of the stoppage from about round 6 and he kind of stepped in when not much was happening for the eventual stoppage. Just frustrating as Lemieux was showing signs of going for broke, which probably would have been his best bet to begin with.
GGG should have had a stern warning or a point deduction for the punch when Lemieux was down but the stoppage was legit and well timed. Lemieux was getting his ass handed to him and it would have gotten worse as the fight progressed. GGG was going to beat Lemieux into the canvas if that is what it took.
Lemieux was giving everything he had and it was not enough, in any way at all! Fact, as Fenster says.
I agree he was losing the fight but he was also starting to finally throw punches at Golovkin, something he had been hesitant to do all fight. I just don't think the ending was clean. He'd been in danger earlier on in the fight and the referee let it go so for him to stop it at a point where there wasn't a great deal happening surprised me a bit.
Especially when you consider Lemieux has the power to turn it around. I thought the fight was a lot more one sided during the first 6 rounds than it was towards the back end.
Gonzalez was hurt worse by Viloria. Lemieux is as game as they come but he was getting beat down, it had been going on for 7rds and the ref, who was two feet away from the action, had seen enough.
Golovkin was in control of that fight from first second to the last and never in serious trouble, in my opinion, the ref did the right thing.
Golovkin lost a little luster and showed he was human with that shot when Lemieux was down, but he dominated Lemieux form beginning to end and we still do not know how good he is.
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Really, for all the pin point punching..Golovkin is pretty hittable after 4 or so.
Golovkin's jab is dynamite man. That's a 345-5 jab. You can only get past that occasionally when Golovkin has determined that you're not much of a threat if you do.
I'd love to see Golovkin - Ward. I don't think there's any chance it happens in the forseeable but that's the only fight that either of them currently face a proper challenge.
The fact that he does coast a bit bothers me. He did it with Monroe last out, ever so slightly he looks bored and gives up that head. For all the talk Ward doesn't 'act' like Golovkin is on his radar. Golovkin goes for blown up names and headliners below and Ward goes up for blown up journeymen above.
Wonder if face first but willing Johnson was on undercard for a reason..
It's a struggle to see Johnson as a PPV-worth opponent but then again who the hell else do they have for Golovkin to fight?
Ward is supposed to be currently negotiating a multifight deal with HBO that includes a fight with Kovalev this time next year. Kovalev's promoter is saying that if Kovalev wins in January he gets Ward next.
If Ward does manage to beat Kovalev, and I'm hoping he gets sparked, I'd make him favourite over Golovkin. They're both excellent boxers with their own styles but Ward would be so much bigger.
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Gonzalez was brilliant. Sheer poetry at times, as if he was creating an already imagined masterpiece, and that is no way underplaying the more than game performance of Viloria.
Golovkin did what he always does and took his opponent to pieces. I think part of the reason he looks so dominant in doing so is that he and his coach really study each opponent and they are often not given credit for doing so. He creates space and time to work because he really is not so heavy handed that he is in the habit of finishing things with one punch ( although his body shots nearly always signal the end being near if not immediate), and so he hammers his opponents into the corner of his own workshop, and they forget that they are there to earn a living. It's not so much that they are caught up in admiring his work, but more that he leaves them little light in which to figure out how to start. He hits thunderously hard at range and mixes it up beautifully up close, that's a rare and winning combination.
Perfectly said of GGG @Greenbeanz :cool:
I really do think (and i think he himself knows) that he can get any of the guys he's faced out of there whenever he chooses but holds back and batters them systematically for the pleasure of the crowd to create more of a show - he didn't really go to the body too much with his left (arguably his killer punch) after he dropped Lemieux.... i mean he threw some rights to the body and the odd left too but not to the extent most fighters would have after landing a punch like that, infact most fighters would have looked for that punch again every other punch as soon as the next round started.
I think it's safe to see he enjoys beating the shit out of people and the look he gave the ref when he stopped it was a kind of "Fuck off ref i ain't finished punishing him yet" look ;)
I still think his absolute best has yet to be tapped into because nobody has come close to bringing it out of him, i'm pretty sure the dirty hard as nails street fighter (which is what he did as a kid under his older brothers orders) is another side/level we have yet to see in the ring.
If you put all the elements together that make up Golovkin.... Footwork, Timing, KO power in both hands, the boxing brain, proven chin and that ridiculously thumping jab then you really have a near on unbeatable fighting machine verging on perfection.
I don't see anyone beating him - and i mean up to Super Middleweights, yeah Ward is slick but i honestly think Golovkin is too clever and would stop him around 10-11 rounds :cool:
Re: The most explosive fight in years - Golovkin v Lemieux
Smash up I would have agreed except for the last part about stopping Ward. No way.
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Smash up I would have agreed except for the last part about stopping Ward. No way.
Really?
Ward has never been in with anyone that cute imo or who his that hard and has that footwork, Ward has fought 1 average (at best guy) in getting on 2 years in Smith.
Problem is Golovkin doesn't need Ward - Ward needs him.
It should happen though because after he's wiped out the division he has to move up surely :)
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Smash up I would have agreed except for the last part about stopping Ward. No way.
Really?
Ward has never been in with anyone that cute imo or who his that hard and has that footwork, Ward has fought 1 average (at best guy) in getting on 2 years in Smith.
Problem is Golovkin doesn't need Ward - Ward needs him.
It should happen though because after he's wiped out the division he has to move up surely :)
Ward has not been beaten since he was 12. :)
Re: The most explosive fight in years - Golovkin v Lemieux
If Ward goes at Kovolev I think he comes a cropper. Wards a great boxer but he looked like he'd lost a step against a lets be honest pony Paul Smith who is average at best and looked like he didn't give a shit.
Anyway, GGG. Another brutal display, once again it had everything on show, great skill, great power, a bit of vulnerability at times when he seems to lose interest, but of course that is backed up by a rock solid chin. Lemieux got a few clumps of his own in when he had better rounds in 6 and 7 (I think) but they just bounced off Golovkins noggin no problem. A methodical beatdown of a dangerous puncher.
Chocolatito was phenomenal. The subtlety of his movement is beautiful, the little slide right to get the hook to the body off and then turn his man around into a right to the chin, the little L step, the little left hooks to get himself centred, poetry. He never hits something that isn't there. Too many fighters punch at nothing, good fighters too, it's almost robotic, hook must follow cross that must follow jab. He is able to fire off 5, 6, 7 punch combos and they ALL land on target. A joy to watch as always.
I've read in some places people using the performance of Gonzales as a stick to bash Golovkin with. Ever so slightly pathetic and full of obligation of course. Both of them were masterful in their own way. We're lucky to have them in our time.
