Re: Carl Frampton v Leo Santa Cruz
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Dia bando
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I felt the showtime crew was very pro frampton. I was rooting for santa cruz, but felt frampton took the fight. There was were just too many times that frampton landed on wading santa cruz and stepped away before Santa cruz would open his eyes get his bearings and give chase. When Santa cruz fought like the taller fighter, he took those rounds. When he dove into the trenches, it felt like he played into framptons plans and as such it looked like frampton was is control more often than not. Frampton faded down the stretch as i expected he would but it didn't seem like LSC had much more of plan than wade in bomb frampton out and collect his belts and his checks.
LSC can blame himself for the loss. He lost the fight before the fight by leaving GBP in favor of Haymon. GBP would never had staged the fight in Belfast, NY it would have been in Vegas, San Antonio, El Paso or home of Los Angeles . This fight was close but more of a case of location location location. Had this been in any of the city's mentioned above it would be LSC celebrating a close fight or draw. No way a rematch in Belfast is fair. If a rematch is reached back in NY is a slightly more neutral site. Based on two judges scores no one in their right mind will believe LSC wins a decision and no kills PPV demand. Haymon screwed his fighter and LSC is one stupid fighter to fight in Belfast for a rematch. A rematch in a neutral site is a must! Hayman promotes both and chose to sit on the side of Frampton he is more marketable. If a rematch is made in Belfast and I were LSC I would be pissed and only accept back in NY with a different fight plan where only a KO will net him a win. Gotta be the money that got him to fight in NY to pay for dad's meds.
What fight were you watching Frampton made Cruz miss or land on gloves and arms.
Sister City LOL Cruz lost mate, either you like volume or quality punches.
Volume that missed or quality punches that score.
Was the fight in America yes is the home of Cruz is it not.
So not many Hispanics turned up and ever plastic paddy turned up to support Frampton LOL.
you are reinforcing what I said. Of the fight had been on Vegas it would be the reverse every bean on the west coast would be there. I am not disputing Frampton win it was a close fight. Saw fight with Box Nation narrators hugging for Frampton and on Showtime same thing. Every punch Frampton hit LSC was highlighted. Only difference is Box Nation had it a draw as did I. I do see how Frampton won a decision but not by that disparity on two of the judges cards. That is what made a great fight stink !!!
You can't let the commentators ruin it for you, if that was the case you would either have to turn the sound down or just go an watch live shows exclusively. The location thing is nothing to be hung up on either. New York whilst of course having a sizeable American Irish population is not Belfast's sister city as you have claimed, Boston maybe but Belfast is actually a part of the UK unlike the republic of Ireland. That is why Frampton had a lot of traveling Brit fans as well as the Irish contingent. He still had to fly thousands of miles across the Atlantic for it. Ireland of course has a proud fighting heritage but it is dwarfed by Mexico, as is Northern Ireland in which Belfast sits. It is no surprise then that the commentators got carried away with the magnitude of the achievement.
That leave ones daft wide score card. The other two cards were both reasonable and Frampton was both respectful of Cruz and quick to talk of an immediate rematch. Still a great fight.
Re: Carl Frampton v Leo Santa Cruz
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Ironically enough, if Cruz would have won a decision, you would have been calling it corruption
You obviously don't read much of my drivel as that's the last thing I would have done. My pet hate from boxing fans is crying robbery/corruption after every close fight/officials mistake.
Re: Carl Frampton v Leo Santa Cruz
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7uHN617Ku00
Finally I've got to see the fight! Luckily the commentary was in A foreign language so I watched it with no sound and on my own.I tried not to score rounds 10-10, but 2 of the rounds I had to. I had Frampton winning by 2 rounds 116-114.
I though he boxed beautifully, his footwork was great and how he dictated the fight off the back foot was very smart. I'm always banging on about him being too short to go up the weight, but tbf he looked like he had so much energy at that weight, it's probably ideal for him. Before the fight, I thought he wouldn't stand a chance against Selby, now I'm not quite so sure. I still think Selby, but it's a very interesting fight.
A word for Santa Cruz, he's a very good fighter and the way he fights he's gonna have no trouble making a good living as people are definitely gonna want to watch him. He could easily become a champ again.
Re: Carl Frampton v Leo Santa Cruz
There's going to be an immediate rematch. There's a rematch clause in the original bout contract and team SC has exercised it. Team McGuigan claim there isn't a clause but apparently there is. Team SC want the rematch in California or Vegas where presumably they expect more favourable judging.
Re: Carl Frampton v Leo Santa Cruz
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There's going to be an immediate rematch. There's a rematch clause in the original bout contract and team SC has exercised it. Team McGuigan claim there isn't a clause but apparently there is. Team SC want the rematch in California or Vegas where presumably they expect more favourable judging.
Barry should say Belfast or no rematch
Re: Carl Frampton v Leo Santa Cruz
Santa Cruz people want it in Vegas or California. Haymon will want it in America on at primetime. McGuigan had better have got it in the contract that the location of any rematch something the winner decides.
Re: Carl Frampton v Leo Santa Cruz
what is haymond? promoter or adviser or manager or both or what?
Re: Carl Frampton v Leo Santa Cruz
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what is haymond? promoter or adviser or manager or both or what?
Everything.
Re: Carl Frampton v Leo Santa Cruz
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erics44
what is haymond? promoter or adviser or manager or both or what?
I might be wrong, but to try to simplify this , you cannot be a Manager/Adviser AND a Promoter. you have to be one or the other. He has deals in place with American TV Station(s) to provide fighters and then works with a promoter. But the fighters only fight where he advises them to fight because I think he looks after them financially , not just when they fight. With his own Wealth and business nous and with the backing of the TV company , he can do that.
This is why Eddie Hearn has little digs at Frampton, Degale , Selby, because they were all with Matchroom at one time, but now they only fight on Matchroom promotions when Haymon SAYS they can. So when thy fight in the States, Hearn doesn't make anything out of it.
But Hearn does try to keep sweet with Haymon in the hope that he can get some of them fight over here.
Khan used to be with Haymon, but I believe he self manages and self promotes now, and that's probably why he is such a fucking circus act and a joke. Same can probably be said of Eubank.
If I've got that wrong, I'm sure one of our transatlantic friends will point this out.
Re: Carl Frampton v Leo Santa Cruz
so Selby isn't a part of the matchroom stable anymore?
for some reason I thought that he was but matchroom struck some kind of deal with haymond to get him on in america
Re: Carl Frampton v Leo Santa Cruz
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so Selby isn't a part of the matchroom stable anymore?
for some reason I thought that he was but matchroom struck some kind of deal with haymond to get him on in america
I don't think Matchroom Struck the deal with Haymon, I think Selby did. If you think about it. if he was still with Matchroom, they would be building shows around him as a World Champion , but the only time you hear Hearn mention him is to fight Warrington in Leeds! Now if Hearn had him tied in, he wouldn't be calling him out to fight in a Challenger's back yard?
Re: Carl Frampton v Leo Santa Cruz
The problem with close fights is if the rounds could go either way but the judges favor that style more that guy gets the round. I see it when people post there scores on here all the time like they all have the same score but gave different rounds to that fighter i mean the way to score pretty open.
