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I still think Adalaide got some of that tainted meat.
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Originally Posted by Fenster
I still think Adalaide got some of that tainted meat.
Hahaha yep, where d sun don't shineQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I still think Adalaide got some of that tainted meat.
Exactly why I have Zero interest in this fight and I predicted Canelo on points. The fix is ON!
Golovkin looks thin in the face, bit drawn.
Canelo Alvarez victim Amir Khan backs Gennady Golovkin for rematch glory
Amir Khan is tipping Gennady Golovkin to win this weekend’s super-fight with Saul Alvarez, and feels the latter is lucky to be anywhere near a boxing ring.
Triple G takes on Canelo in their highly-anticipated rematch in Las Vegas on Saturday night. Tensions have risen dramatically following the Mexican’s two failed drug tests – blamed on contaminated meat – which resulted in a six month ban and subsequent postponement.
Bolton’s Khan, on the wrong end of a brutal knockout at the hands of Alvarez in May 2016, sees only one outcome for his tainted former foe.
“Is Canelo the same fighter that he was in the first fight? he asked. “He got caught taking clenbuterol. Now, if he’s off that and he’s been taking it his whole career, mentally it’s definitely going to work against him.
“I can see in some of his pictures that he’s not looking as thick, as big. I don’t know how his power is looking, but mentally it’ll play a big part.
“I think he should’ve got a ban for good. When you’re taking a substance it’s not fair because you can literally kill someone in the ring. You’re going in there to punch someone in the head.”
The first fight ended in a controversial draw a year ago. Most observers felt Golovkin had done enough to have his arm raised and Khan believes it’ll be beyond doubt this time.
“I feel that in this fight, Triple G is going to take it [victory] quite easy,” he said.
“The first fight, I gave it Triple G by two rounds when I’d thought, before the fight, that Canelo was going to win it quite convincingly with his movement.
“Obviously, I’d shared a ring with him and he beat me. This time, with him being off the drugs, I think mentally it’s going to affect him quite big.”
Whatever happens at the T-Mobile arena, Canelo will struggle to rid himself of the ‘cheat’ tag. The failed drug tests have raised questions about the Mexican’s past achievements.
Despite that dark cloud, Khan is philosophical about his time in the ring with the man from Guadalajara.
“Look, I was coming up two weight categories to fight him for his world title at his weight,” he explained.
“I mean, he didn’t have to take anything! But it is what it is. I’m not going to say he was on something or he wasn’t on something.
“The better man won on the night – he beat me.
“If you take away the power, I think it might have been a half-decent fight. I might – maybe – have taken it on points. Because he had that power and strength, I just couldn’t outwork him. He was very strong.”
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/4...rematch-glory/
I was thinking the same thing. This whole thing has rattled him good. He is old now much older he was already missing most of his punches last time and that was like what one year ago now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
I guarantee he has over train for this fight is looking very gaunt and his cheekbones there not looking right. He has overtrained he will come into this fight a bit drained
Canelo will have even greater speed now as he will not quite be weighed down so much with the extra muscle in bulk
I see Canelo scoring a very sharp and convincing knockout in about the 3rd or the 4th round
I wouldn't call him rattled so much as being forced to react to firstly a diva cheat and secondly a guy most fans seem to think he beat the first time. He actually out landed Canelo if 'counting' punches means anything. But over training is a big possibility and I thought he should have nixed the salvage showcase date with Vanes but he was being a professional and keeping his end of the obligation and making his coin. It'll be up to Canelo to assert his new more fluid less bulky self now that he's not a waddling chem factory. Can't juice a guys heart and fire in the belly.
I don't think Lemieux/ O'Sullivan will go long. Lemieux easy KO. There is genuine bad blood between the 2 tho:
http://youtu.be/_lSbKozICQc
Is that Geraldo Rivera there at the microphone @TitoFan
Spittin' image. If it's Geraldo though, I hope he keeps his guard up better than Geraldo did.
I think like with Calzaghe towards the end at SMW, GGG is just getting a little shakey with the weight. He is thin and sharp, but will no doubt fill up again by fight time. Not sure if he has much longer at MW or even in boxing at all. We haven't seen him pushed in a year now. We will see this weekend, I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
BTW there is just something I love about O'Sullivan and that tache. It's old school. It's a great look.
Most fans seem to think it's an "easy" KO for Lemieux yet the bookies have it quite tight. I was expecting to back Spike thinking he would be a big price but the odds have brought me back to Lemieux.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Normally i'd strongly favour Lemmy in any shootout, however, I can't help seeing Spike's granite chin passing the test, even if he loses.
(waffling because i've spent two days going to bet one way (early rounds) then changing to the other (late rounds) :rolleyes:)
I thought Lemiueux looked awful against Saunders and unable to pull the trigger. It was a bit like Mattysse against Pac but with a bit more resistance. He struggles stepping up, but granted Spikey Tache has a very different style and is rung below, but I think this could go either way. Could be the best fight on the card as we know Canelo will be on his bicycle early potshotting while winking at the judges.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterMost fans seem to think it's an "easy" KO for Lemieux yet the bookies have it quite tight. I was expecting to back Spike thinking he would be a big price but the odds have brought me back to Lemieux.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Normally i'd strongly favour Lemmy in any shootout, however, I can't help seeing Spike's granite chin passing the test, even if he loses.
(waffling because i've spent two days going to bet one way (early rounds) then changing to the other (late rounds) :rolleyes:)
Saunders MADE Lemiueux look awful though. I don't think O'Sullivan even with the camp bear/strongman moustache is going to stand up to repeated smacks in the mouth. He is pretty easy to hit, and for a puncher like Lemiueux, that is manna.
Golovkin hit Cownelo all night long last time, but could not really wobble him repeatedly in the way he has consistently made other fighters fold. It is not going to be a walk in the park for either fighter but GGG may well find Alvarez offering his jaw on a plate if he really is as pissed, as is being suggested, at being called out for what he is. Neither is an unknown quantity to the other and it can't help but be a bit more personal this time. I think Golovkin can channel and handle that a bit better, while Canelo is more likely to let it sabotage his own ability to concentrate. GGG is remarkably cold and calculated even when hit hard, and that should be enough for him to put something together to stop a frustrated and tiring Canelo late.
There IS that chance though, that Team Ginger's plan may have worked to perfection.
Avoid GGG for a few years (nobody remembers that anymore though).
Finally fight him, but with at least one judge on the payroll. (Not to mention a ridiculous split. Team GGG must've been in a coma during the negotiations).
Decision stolen, negotiate a rematch.
Get caught cheating, further putting off the rematch.... begging for Father Time to finally do its thing.
Finally do the rematch with GGG obviously well past his prime.
Even if he wins, Ginger's legacy will be forever tainted.
Everything above.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Come on guys let's not be so harsh. I believe Alvarez about the tainted beef. A lot of Mexican athletes over the past 10 years have tested positive for clenbuterol and it is a very big problem in Mexico and also I heard in Brazil. Remember these are not performance enhancing drugs this is an asthma medication that is given in cattle feed in order to reduce the amount of fat in the animal but it is not a muscle-building drug. The drug itself will actually make the animal very lean by reducing the fat content. Alvarez May indeed have eaten quite a lot of that tainted beef in Mexico. Guadalajara especially a big problem with this stuff. He was going out and around eating a lot of steak he had not begun his training camp yet and that is when it tested positive. I really think that is a true story. What I was in Mexico I remember eating the beef and I remember what happened after that. It's a true story the whole thing about injection marks are just Triple G being a little b****
There's no way you'd be a professional athlete and ingest that tainted meat "by accident" after half a soccer team has done it it already in your country and your trainers are butchers by trade. Nor would you not notice the added benefits (if we are all noticing the size difference now). His quotes in the article above pretty much revealed his MO. He was on an "eating plan" while not training (gaining muscle, stamina, fat burning from the clen-beef-erol so any weight he gains is mostly muscle). Then he enters a training phase while cycling off of it to maintain the muscle and naturally burn fat instead of chemically doing it. The benefits he gets from it seems natural because hes been training and already cycled off. They're probably filtering it through the /cows/beef (https://www.fda.gov/animalveterinary.../ucm055436.htm) in order to weed out the toxic metabolite (metabolite 4-amino-3,5-dichlorobenzoic acid) that has made it illegal. Although no growth steroids are approved in that article, i'd wager it would work the same or similar enough to diminish any cytotoxicity risk from the metabolite to safer levels.
I'm inclined to agree with all those anticipating the fix for canelo to finally work. GGG is looking gaunt. Part (at least) of Canelo fairing well against Gennady's power last time was because he saw the punches coming. Power is supposedly the last thing to go on a fighter and that's not what team canelo/golden boy is counting on. They're counting on the first thing to go, the reflexes. Its the old guy like oscar (vs pac/ floyd), roy (vs. calzaghe) and countless others that couldn't pull the trigger before the window of opportunity closes. So look for canelo, to do his best mayweather imitation. Can't say whether it will work or not because GGG often times doesn't get enough credit for his fight IQ and fighters with longevity are the ones that switch over to using their brain more to compensate for loss of physicality. (Set traps and walk fighters into punches rather than picking your spots). Also who knows what canelo will be like not only if hes off the juice, but after the first fight with GGG. Lots of fighters aren't the same after a GGG fight.
Super duper insightful post there I really appreciated reading that. In fact I read it twice. Lots of good info in there I really like the part about cycling it through the Cows, in an effort to remove part of the residual evidence.
I also completely agree with you and Spicoli has also said it that he is looking very overtrained to me and the reason he has come in like this is because he is running on adrenaline now I think he is a bit rattled because he knows what people are saying that he might have gotten a step or two older now so he's trying to come in light so that he can be a little quicker because as I have said Canelo will be a tad bit faster now with less bulk up muscles and believe me that extra speed he will have is really going to give him the advantage now. The reason he's going to win by Shocking knockout within 5 rounds 6 maximum but I wouldn't bet on 6....within five rounds Canelo will find the knockout and here's the reason why
just like you rightfully said everybody in the world is thinking that Canelo is going to do his best Floyd Mayweather impression here. Triple G's trainers are trying to troll Canelo by using shame and by hurting his Warrior Pride and say that nobody is going to pay $90 to watch somebody run like they did last time. But Canelo is not budging he is playing along with it. Everybody is expecting him to do the Mayweather thing. In fact I think he will do the thing for the first couple of rounds and then he is going to set a trap in the fourth round when he has Triple G thinking that he has to stay in Hot Pursuit of canelo's Mayweather impression at that precise moment Canelo is going to step into the pocket with his Superior speed and really good punching in combination technique and he is going to flatten Triple G out for the count he'll be lucky if he gets up at 11
Looks like a proper villain he does. Now I've had different mustaches and beards and all but I've never had a 'stache quite that epic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I really want GGG to take the fight to Canelo and end it early. I haven't seen Canelo all that shook up by anyone bar Cotto who rocked him pretty good but couldn't put him away.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY-MPRp2qFY
Really want to see Canelo sparked clean out and De la Hoya run into the ring to cradle his head weeping for GBP's cash cow.
Cotto's brother shook up Canelo the worst I've seen.
That just seems a one off which can happen to for fighters. Duran was put down by De Jesus twice but he had a granite chin. I think Canelo will not get stopped because he has a good chin and has the experience to survive if hurt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
I agree, I'm just saying that's the worst I've seen him hurt.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThat just seems a one off which can happen to for fighters. Duran was put down by De Jesus twice but he had a granite chin. I think Canelo will not get stopped because he has a good chin and has the experience to survive if hurt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
He never saw that shot... and never forgot it apparently.. (left hook out of crouch over the right hand he threw) that's why he doesn't stand his ground much anymore and trade and raised his guard since. He also changed his posture (keeps his head low-- instead of staying upright) to limit the angles on his opponents punches. GGG or anyone else for that could open him up more with footwork and sharper angles.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaI agree, I'm just saying that's the worst I've seen him hurt.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThat just seems a one off which can happen to for fighters. Duran was put down by De Jesus twice but he had a granite chin. I think Canelo will not get stopped because he has a good chin and has the experience to survive if hurt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Good eye, I have noticed Canelo improving vastly over the years. Not everything at once, but each fight he improves.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_UndisputedHe never saw that shot... and never forgot it apparently.. (left hook out of crouch over the right hand he threw) that's why he doesn't stand his ground much anymore and trade and raised his guard since. He also changed his posture (keeps his head low-- instead of staying upright) to limit the angles on his opponents punches. GGG or anyone else for that could open him up more with footwork and sharper angles.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaI agree, I'm just saying that's the worst I've seen him hurt.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThat just seems a one off which can happen to for fighters. Duran was put down by De Jesus twice but he had a granite chin. I think Canelo will not get stopped because he has a good chin and has the experience to survive if hurt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
So Canelo tries to intimidate GGG at the weigh in, GGG is cold as fuck and doesn’t flinch. Canelo and his mob of fat pricks get bent out of shape over it.
I really want GGG to beat the shit out of Canelo.
Sadly, I still think this time is the right time for Canelo to get the job done. Never wanted to be wrong more.
Trout beat Canelo but lost. It’s one of those fights that pisses me off.
Canelo is like a god. He cannot be touched on the chin, he's fast as an eel. He Slipped at least 80 to 100 right hand leads that Triple G threw
I think the whole Canelo tough guy thing at the weigh in was him being nervous. GGG looks ready to take his head off. Let’s hope that happens.
I wonder what Canelo really thinks or where he is really at. The fact that he needed to cheat last time out and full well knows he did and still lost and the fact that nobody likes him surely has an effect. The weigh in was like he was trying to pump himself up, but at that same weigh in he also seems to have swallowed a bunch of pills and then fallen off his chair. He doesn't seem very calm or settled.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
I hope GGG mutilates him. That sounds cruel, but Canelo deserves some cruelty in a cruel sport where he has been given a silver spoon. Time to be hurt.
Funny thing is if you watch the Chin video above, you'll notice that from the waist up he counts on rolling punches like mayweather too much defensively for a guy whos feet are cemented down. He like to plant his feet and root so he can sit on his punches and string his combos together. Especially off the front foot (a tell)-- so if you watch his front foot, whenever he puts his weight on it (locked forward in that rocking thing he does), he's getting ready to do some work (a good time to jab at the center of his chest if you're GGG to reset him and disrupt his balance) ... Clenelo knows he does this and sometimes tries to bait a guy into throwing a jab at his face that he can slip and counter by not committing to go as far forward... but anyway, I digress-- So in most of those clips where he gets caught -- the opponents start low (bend their knees, or start the punch low and go high-- [this gives a lot of fighters trouble-- and most would slip back out to a longer range and counter]... but watching that video its something that has persisted with him through fights and is still there and will probably be there tomorrow/ tonight. So a pretty safe bet for GGG is a hard jab to the center of the chest when the ginger rocks forward on that front foot... advance behind it , dip low, throw high (preferably with a left hook-- Clenelos spooked and waiting more on GGG's right hand.) then split the guard with the overhand right if he hasn't skipped town already.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaGood eye, I have noticed Canelo improving vastly over the years. Not everything at once, but each fight he improves.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_UndisputedHe never saw that shot... and never forgot it apparently.. (left hook out of crouch over the right hand he threw) that's why he doesn't stand his ground much anymore and trade and raised his guard since. He also changed his posture (keeps his head low-- instead of staying upright) to limit the angles on his opponents punches. GGG or anyone else for that could open him up more with footwork and sharper angles.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaI agree, I'm just saying that's the worst I've seen him hurt.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThat just seems a one off which can happen to for fighters. Duran was put down by De Jesus twice but he had a granite chin. I think Canelo will not get stopped because he has a good chin and has the experience to survive if hurt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
I'm still of the opinion that the fight shouldn't be happening, I didn't want to have any interest in it but whilst everyone is saying that it is personal between the two of them I think it feels personal for the fans as well, its been a helluva long time since I have so badly wanted someone to get absolutely KTFO as much as Canelo.
I can't see it happening and I'm actually leaning towards a canelo win, its got me suckered in, its 7am and I'm watching videos of the fight on YouTube.
Come on GGG knock the ginger cunt the fuck out.
GGGs got a good jab, he needs to use it more in this fight. Once he's inside he needs to let his hands go.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_UndisputedFunny thing is if you watch the Chin video above, you'll notice that from the waist up he counts on rolling punches like mayweather too much defensively for a guy whos feet are cemented down. He like to plant his feet and root so he can sit on his punches and string his combos together. Especially off the front foot (a tell)-- so if you watch his front foot, whenever he puts his weight on it (locked forward in that rocking thing he does), he's getting ready to do some work (a good time to jab at the center of his chest if you're GGG to reset him and disrupt his balance) ... Clenelo knows he does this and sometimes tries to bait a guy into throwing a jab at his face that he can slip and counter by not committing to go as far forward... but anyway, I digress-- So in most of those clips where he gets caught -- the opponents start low (bend their knees, or start the punch low and go high-- [this gives a lot of fighters trouble-- and most would slip back out to a longer range and counter]... but watching that video its something that has persisted with him through fights and is still there and will probably be there tomorrow/ tonight. So a pretty safe bet for GGG is a hard jab to the center of the chest when the ginger rocks forward on that front foot... advance behind it , dip low, throw high (preferably with a left hook-- Clenelos spooked and waiting more on GGG's right hand.) then split the guard with the overhand right if he hasn't skipped town already.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaGood eye, I have noticed Canelo improving vastly over the years. Not everything at once, but each fight he improves.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_UndisputedHe never saw that shot... and never forgot it apparently.. (left hook out of crouch over the right hand he threw) that's why he doesn't stand his ground much anymore and trade and raised his guard since. He also changed his posture (keeps his head low-- instead of staying upright) to limit the angles on his opponents punches. GGG or anyone else for that could open him up more with footwork and sharper angles.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaI agree, I'm just saying that's the worst I've seen him hurt.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThat just seems a one off which can happen to for fighters. Duran was put down by De Jesus twice but he had a granite chin. I think Canelo will not get stopped because he has a good chin and has the experience to survive if hurt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
OMG that really makes me want to see Canelo get ripped apart. I wonder how much Canelo will weigh tomorrow. Will he even let them announce it.
I can't find a running order?
@Alpha or anyone know what time the Choco-Fuentes fight starts? Is that part of HBO's PPV?
Billy Joe Saunders claims it is his ‘destiny’ to fight Gennady Golovkin after undefeated ‘great’ defeats Canelo Alvarez
The WBO middleweight champion is eyeing a unification bout against the undefeated Kazakh after he defeats Canelo on Saturday night
Billy Joe Saunders claims it is his ‘destiny’ to fight, and beat, Gennady Golovkin in the near future.
The reigning WBO middleweight champion will no doubt be watching GGG’s next contest extremely closely – the undefeated Kazakh will face Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez in their highly-anticipated rematch on Saturday night, which has already threatened to turn sour.
WBA and WBC title holder Golovkin will be aiming to avoid going to the judges again, after their fight last year was controversially awarded as a draw.
Saunders, who faces American Demetrius Andrade on October 20 in Boston live on talkSPORT, hopes Golovkin will come through the fight unscathed to set up a tantalising unification down the line.
“The one I want is Golovkin,” Saunders exclusively told the Daily Star. “I believe it is destiny, I believe he is going to win and I will come through then I will show the world what I really am.
“I know I have to be on my game for Andrade, that is not an easy fight and I can’t mess up.
“I would love to see Golovkin come through, me beat Andrade and then we get it on. That’s the end goal for me.
“It’s destiny, it’s meant to happen. I genuinely believe, no matter what people may say, I will beat one of the greats.
“When I was walking to the ring for my last fight with David Lemieux I was thinking ‘This isn’t Golovkin’ and I still boxed out of my skin.
“When I box someone like Golovkin I will have 36 minutes to become an absolute superstar, a household name.
“Nobody will take that away from me once that bell rings. I want that big fight to show what I am.
“I can’t look past Andrade, he’s in the way of that dream. Once I beat Golovkin, I can say I’ve done everything.”
Golovkin’s clash against Canelo was one of the most intriguing and controversial clashes of 2017.
After surviving an early flurry from the Mexican, the 36-year-old began to dominate proceedings. However, judge Adalaide Byrd somehow scored the fight 118-110 in Canelo’s favour – meaning the Kazakh won just two rounds.
In order to avoid such a conundrum, Billy Joe warned his potential opponent he must knock out Canelo to win their Las Vegas rematch.
He added: ““I think Golovkin needs to start fast. He’s naturally the bigger man and he needs to make his presence felt. He has to stick to him like glue.
“Canelo is not a good mover on his toes to get out of trouble. He has to punch himself out of trouble.
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/4...anelo-alvarez/
Time: 8 p.m. ET (5 p.m. PT), all 4 fights are supposed to be shown.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Gonzalez/ Fuentes
Lemieux/ O'Sullivan
Munguia/ Cook
GGG/ Canelo