Re: Garcia vs Porter on Sept 8 for the vacant WBC welterweight belt
I feel both Garcia and Spence used it a bit to raise their profiles, the fight may still happen, but hopefully Mikey's team will be able to convince him of a different path for now.
I just don't really see the path they are taking for Garcia with a Spence fight. If he wins would he stay at 147 and fight the other top guys? I know that's what I'd want from him if he won, that makes a Loma fight an even more remote possibility. Or would/could he drop back to 140 or 135 for Loma or whoever has emerged at 140?
Where does he settle if he loses? I doubt he'd stay at welter. So probably 140 is more likely.
Mikey strikes me as a guy who could live without boxing, he might just take the money and retire.
Personally I think Mikey can make excellent fights at 135 and 140, as well as good money, for another year or 2 before a need even arises to go to 147.
Re: Garcia vs Porter on Sept 8 for the vacant WBC welterweight belt
I really don’t mean to offend when I say it looks like people are just brainstorming
Mikey could make great fights at 135, against who? Arum won’t take Mikey’s calls. His stepson won’t take Mikey’s calls. Let’s recap this
When asked about Mikey/Loma Arum said Mikey is impossible to negotiate with.
Mikey responded “how would he know, he’s never negotiated with me, call me”
When asked about this Arum said point blank “I won’t negotiate with Mikey, I’ll make him an offer to fight on ESPN he can take it or leave it”
To which Mikey responded, call me.
Getting no call he called Bob and Bobs son in law. Neither took or returned his calls. So Mikey started talking to other people at Top Rank who said flat out that they don’t want Loma to fight him.
So I repeat, what great fights at 135? Linares? Does anyone think Linares would stand a chance against Mikey with his chin?
To get Loma he has to put his foot on their throats. To do that he has to show it isn’t an Arum/Mikey issue it is that they don’t want to fight Mikey issue. We already know that from Bobs words. But everyone has to know that or Bob can continue to do what he has already done “we will make him an offer” and just not make an offer when there is no follow up. Everyone needs to be “why won’t you fight Mikey?” to have a chance at it happening, everyone.
And Spence was quite clear after the Porter/Garcia fight his plan is Garcia December/January, Porter whenever Porter is ready to fight again, then Thurman. We don’t know if it will go down that way but it is clear Mikey/Errol still want to fight. Bad move from Mikey on that fight but if he comes out not damaged he can get loud “look at what I’m doing, I’m smaller than Loma but I’m looking for big fights, why won’t he fight me?” (Smaller in the sense they started at the same weight and Loma is taller) It would put major pressure on TR to make the fight we all want. If anyone thinks it doesn’t need major pressure they have their head in the sand ignoring what TR is saying. Mikey has been saying for a year now “they don’t want it”, Bob has been dodging and deflecting. It’s clear as day TR doesn’t want that fight
Re: Garcia vs Porter on Sept 8 for the vacant WBC welterweight belt
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Ron Swanson
I really don’t mean to offend when I say it looks like people are just brainstorming
Mikey could make great fights at 135, against who? Arum won’t take Mikey’s calls. His stepson won’t take Mikey’s calls. Let’s recap this
When asked about Mikey/Loma Arum said Mikey is impossible to negotiate with.
Mikey responded “how would he know, he’s never negotiated with me, call me”
When asked about this Arum said point blank “I won’t negotiate with Mikey, I’ll make him an offer to fight on ESPN he can take it or leave it”
To which Mikey responded, call me.
Getting no call he called Bob and Bobs son in law. Neither took or returned his calls. So Mikey started talking to other people at Top Rank who said flat out that they don’t want Loma to fight him.
So I repeat, what great fights at 135? Linares? Does anyone think Linares would stand a chance against Mikey with his chin?
To get Loma he has to put his foot on their throats. To do that he has to show it isn’t an Arum/Mikey issue it is that they don’t want to fight Mikey issue. We already know that from Bobs words. But everyone has to know that or Bob can continue to do what he has already done “we will make him an offer” and just not make an offer when there is no follow up. Everyone needs to be “why won’t you fight Mikey?” to have a chance at it happening, everyone.
And Spence was quite clear after the Porter/Garcia fight his plan is Garcia December/January, Porter whenever Porter is ready to fight again, then Thurman. We don’t know if it will go down that way but it is clear Mikey/Errol still want to fight. Bad move from Mikey on that fight but if he comes out not damaged he can get loud “look at what I’m doing, I’m smaller than Loma but I’m looking for big fights, why won’t he fight me?” (Smaller in the sense they started at the same weight and Loma is taller) It would put major pressure on TR to make the fight we all want. If anyone thinks it doesn’t need major pressure they have their head in the sand ignoring what TR is saying. Mikey has been saying for a year now “they don’t want it”, Bob has been dodging and deflecting. It’s clear as day TR doesn’t want that fight
For starters it is a boxing forum, so brainstorming should be the norm.
Secondly I never said 'great' fights. I also said 140, which you left out.
Plans and people change, being a boxing fan this is common place and at the end of the day money talks. If they can come together where everyone is happy, the fight could get done. I might not, but I have seen harder fights to make come together.
If Mikey keeps his belt and Loma picks up Pedraza's then a full on unification between the 2 mashes the most sense for everyone.
Mikey could make a defense against solid Commey, then see if the Loma gift can be made. If not Hooker or Linares at 140. After that the WBSS winner would be excellent.
Of course Spence wants that fight, its win win for him, unless he gets beat.
You read it now you want, I'll hold out hope and be positive that both Mikey and Loma will demand the fight gets made.
Re: Garcia vs Porter on Sept 8 for the vacant WBC welterweight belt
Errol Spence blasts Terence Crawford, says fights with Porter and Thurman are more likely
Boxing fans dreaming of seeing a collision course between Errol Spence Jr. and Terence Crawford might have to wait longer than desired — much longer.
After Spence confronted the newly crowned WBC welterweight champion Shawn Porter in the ring Sunday morning and challenged him to a unifying title fight — to which “Showtime” accepted — Spence rattled off even more names as possible opponents in the future. Some of the boxers mentioned? Keith Thurman, Danny Garcia, who just lost to Porter, and even Yordenis Ugas, who is the mandatory challenger for Spence’s IBF welterweight title.
That would leave Crawford out of Spence’s purview. And Spence claims to have his reasons for that. For starters, Spence (24-0, 21 KOs) believes that Crawford’s undefeated record and promoter Bob Arum are “smoke and mirrors.”
“He hasn’t beaten nobody, bro. You can’t name somebody,” Spence told the media early Sunday morning.
When members of the media shouted out some names that Crawford beat, Spence wasn’t impressed.
“Anybody you name,” Spence added, “I could argue with that every time.”
Crawford wasn't feeling that at all, taking to his Twitter account to fire back at Spence.
When asked what he thinks about Crawford’s Oct. 13 fight with Jose Benavidez, Spence let it be known that he “punished Benavidez in sparring.”
Spence did acknowledge that Crawford (33-0, 24 KOs) is “a great fighter” and that facing him would be a “big-money fight,” but that the business between them is just too different for them to make it happen right now.
“When I say we’re on different side of the streets, it’s true,” Spence, 28, continued. “Me and Terence Crawford are on different side of the streets. He just signed with [Top Rank and] ESPN. I don’t fight for ESPN. I fight for Showtime and Fox.”
Minutes later, he added: “There’s politics in boxing. I never fought on ESPN. I’m not going to fight on ESPN, probably.”
Spence says the complexity he anticipates in making the bout a reality makes him want to consider other opponents.
“Like I said, Terence Crawford is on the wrong side of the street," Spence added. "It’s me, Danny Garcia, you got Shawn Porter, Keith Thurman, we got Ugas. We got a lot of fighters over here.”
By “over here,” Spence is referring to the fighters Al Haymon manages or advises, seemingly making those fights easier to make for “The Truth” than the trickier process that would likely play out while negotiating a clash with Crawford.
Dashing the hopes for a mega bout with Crawford for now, Spence says after facing Porter, the real fight for him to make is with Thurman.
“At the end of the day, I fee like me and Keith Thurman is the fight to make,” Spence said. “A lot of people bring up Terence Crawford since Keith Thurman’s been inactive. If Keith Thurman comes back and he has a great fight and he shows what he’s been showing in the fights with Danny Garcia and Shawn Porter, everyone is going to talk about Errol Spence vs. Keith Thurman.”
To that effect, Spence made sure to have choice words for Thurman. The two were sitting next to each other at the Barclays Center to watch Porter’s unanimous decision win over Garcia.
When egged on by Adrien Broner, who was in the Barclays’ interview room, to reveal what Spence told Thurman, Spence obliged.
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“I told Keith Thurman, I’d stop him,” Spence said confidently.
When Broner asked him how many rounds it would take to do so, Spence said it would take him only six.
“He didn’t say nothing,” Spence said of Thurman’s reaction. “They know I’m the top dog, I’m the wolf in this division, I’m that guy. I’m not ducking no opposition.”
For now, Spence’s immediate intention is to cement a welterweight unification bout with Porter — something that should be doable, considering they both fight for Showtime and count Haymon as a manager.
“I don’t think the words we exchanged were for show. I want to be unified champ. I want to be undisputed champion, so, I have to go through those doors,” Spence said in his return to Barclays’ interview room. “I definitely think it can happen. Hopefully it happens sooner than later. Hopefully it happens the first quarter of next year. The money is there, so, it’s going to happen.”
Porter said he’s looking forward to it. So, are we. If Spence and Crawford continue on their undefeated paths, who’s to say that the swelling demand for the fight doesn’t force its hand, making the collision course come to a head? It can happen. Hopefully, it’s not too far down the road.
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Re: Garcia vs Porter on Sept 8 for the vacant WBC welterweight belt
Spence was drunk as f-ck.
Re: Garcia vs Porter on Sept 8 for the vacant WBC welterweight belt
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Alpha
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Ron Swanson
I really don’t mean to offend when I say it looks like people are just brainstorming
Mikey could make great fights at 135, against who? Arum won’t take Mikey’s calls. His stepson won’t take Mikey’s calls. Let’s recap this
When asked about Mikey/Loma Arum said Mikey is impossible to negotiate with.
Mikey responded “how would he know, he’s never negotiated with me, call me”
When asked about this Arum said point blank “I won’t negotiate with Mikey, I’ll make him an offer to fight on ESPN he can take it or leave it”
To which Mikey responded, call me.
Getting no call he called Bob and Bobs son in law. Neither took or returned his calls. So Mikey started talking to other people at Top Rank who said flat out that they don’t want Loma to fight him.
So I repeat, what great fights at 135? Linares? Does anyone think Linares would stand a chance against Mikey with his chin?
To get Loma he has to put his foot on their throats. To do that he has to show it isn’t an Arum/Mikey issue it is that they don’t want to fight Mikey issue. We already know that from Bobs words. But everyone has to know that or Bob can continue to do what he has already done “we will make him an offer” and just not make an offer when there is no follow up. Everyone needs to be “why won’t you fight Mikey?” to have a chance at it happening, everyone.
And Spence was quite clear after the Porter/Garcia fight his plan is Garcia December/January, Porter whenever Porter is ready to fight again, then Thurman. We don’t know if it will go down that way but it is clear Mikey/Errol still want to fight. Bad move from Mikey on that fight but if he comes out not damaged he can get loud “look at what I’m doing, I’m smaller than Loma but I’m looking for big fights, why won’t he fight me?” (Smaller in the sense they started at the same weight and Loma is taller) It would put major pressure on TR to make the fight we all want. If anyone thinks it doesn’t need major pressure they have their head in the sand ignoring what TR is saying. Mikey has been saying for a year now “they don’t want it”, Bob has been dodging and deflecting. It’s clear as day TR doesn’t want that fight
For starters it is a boxing forum, so brainstorming should be the norm.
Secondly I never said 'great' fights. I also said 140, which you left out.
Plans and people change, being a boxing fan this is common place and at the end of the day money talks. If they can come together where everyone is happy, the fight could get done. I might not, but I have seen harder fights to make come together.
If Mikey keeps his belt and Loma picks up Pedraza's then a full on unification between the 2 mashes the most sense for everyone.
Mikey could make a defense against solid Commey, then see if the Loma gift can be made. If not Hooker or Linares at 140. After that the WBSS winner would be excellent.
Of course Spence wants that fight, its win win for him, unless he gets beat.
You read it now you want, I'll hold out hope and be positive that both Mikey and Loma will demand the fight gets made.
I hope you are right. I just don't see anyone putting pressure on Loma to tell Bob what should happen. Imagine if Loma was "I can't get Mikey so I'll fight Spence" everyone and their brother would be riding Mikey. And Mikey would be pressured to make the fight. I want to see equality in treatment and the fight materialize.
Re: Garcia vs Porter on Sept 8 for the vacant WBC welterweight belt
I hope so too. Loma is coming of surgery so I'm good with him taking on Pedraza, I'd like to see Mikey defend against Commey around the same time, both with the intent of making the fight.
Personally I think Mikey/Loma is a bigger fight than Mikey/Spence, so it would seem like the best decision. Mikey's last fight was a unification, so a defence against Commey is fine.
Then they both need to do everything possible to get that fight done. Linares/Loma had many roadblocks but it came together. If both guys really want it, it will get done.
Re: Garcia vs Porter on Sept 8 for the vacant WBC welterweight belt
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Alpha
I hope so too. Loma is coming of surgery so I'm good with him taking on Pedraza, I'd like to see Mikey defend against Commey around the same time, both with the intent of making the fight.
Personally I think Mikey/Loma is a bigger fight than Mikey/Spence, so it would seem like the best decision. Mikey's last fight was a unification, so a defence against Commey is fine.
Then they both need to do everything possible to get that fight done. Linares/Loma had many roadblocks but it came together. If both guys really want it, it will get done.
It is bigger, if it can happen. But a bird in the hand... and Mikey has been saying for over a year now that they won’t even talk to him. And there is still nobody saying “why won’t you talk to Mikey?” Has anyone ever heard them say “we are looking at Mikey Garcia after.....” after anything?
We knew after Linares it would be the old guy who didn’t even really win the belt, until he lost it and we knew it would be Pedraza. Fine, coming off an injury it’s fine to fight someone Tank made look like a punching bag. But let’s hear “after... we’re looking at Mikey” after Pedraza, after the next leap year, after something.
My mind says Arum said he won’t consider Spence for Crawford until it’s a PPV. Logic would indicate that Loma/Garcia falls into the same boat. A Commey fight doesn’t help Loma/Garcia become a PPV. I’m worried Arum will May/PAC the Spence/Crawford fight and the Loma/Garcia fight. I don’t want to see the best fights put off years. A year, fine, 2, I guess. But give an indication it’s closer than it was in January
Re: Garcia vs Porter on Sept 8 for the vacant WBC welterweight belt
FTR I get that every big fight can’t happen immediately. I just want indications they will happen eventually
Like, I don’t care that AJ/Wilder isn’t happening now. I just don’t want to hear Eddie say more things that indicate it won’t happen in April. Like saying if Wilder/Fury does 1 million PPVs then AJ/Wilder is a 50/50 fight in Wimbley. The math there is wildly wrong. If Wilder/Fury does 1 million it’s 60/40 Wilder and in Vegas. That sounds like it’s no closer to happening.
Re: Garcia vs Porter on Sept 8 for the vacant WBC welterweight belt
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I hope so too. Loma is coming of surgery so I'm good with him taking on Pedraza, I'd like to see Mikey defend against Commey around the same time, both with the intent of making the fight.
Personally I think Mikey/Loma is a bigger fight than Mikey/Spence, so it would seem like the best decision. Mikey's last fight was a unification, so a defence against Commey is fine.
Then they both need to do everything possible to get that fight done. Linares/Loma had many roadblocks but it came together. If both guys really want it, it will get done.
It is bigger, if it can happen. But a bird in the hand... and Mikey has been saying for over a year now that they won’t even talk to him. And there is still nobody saying “why won’t you talk to Mikey?” Has anyone ever heard them say “we are looking at Mikey Garcia after.....” after anything?
We knew after Linares it would be the old guy who didn’t even really win the belt, until he lost it and we knew it would be Pedraza. Fine, coming off an injury it’s fine to fight someone Tank made look like a punching bag. But let’s hear “after... we’re looking at Mikey” after Pedraza, after the next leap year, after something.
My mind says Arum said he won’t consider Spence for Crawford until it’s a PPV. Logic would indicate that Loma/Garcia falls into the same boat. A Commey fight doesn’t help Loma/Garcia become a PPV. I’m worried Arum will May/PAC the Spence/Crawford fight and the Loma/Garcia fight. I don’t want to see the best fights put off years. A year, fine, 2, I guess. But give an indication it’s closer than it was in January
Agree with most of this, I also would like to start hearing both sides talking about this fight getting done after next outings. Rather than Mikey looking Spence's way, he should be making moves that lead to the Loma showdown. Loma is going to do his part to get that title from Pedraza and then I also want to hear him talking unification and no one else's name but Mikey's. That's the wishlist, we all know boxing makes it's own path.
What a Commey fight does do is, keep Garcia active and gives him some solid rounds, keeps Garcia a unified beltholder at 135 (I don't think he'll be able to keep the titles much longer, if he goes with Spence next, 1 if not both belts will probably need to be vacated), keeping the belts in turn helps make Garcia/ Loma become a PPV as it adds the 4 belt, lineal, undisputed bells and whistles, it also doesn't delay a potential Loma fight any longer than necessary, as most wouldn't expect Mikey to jump straight in with Loma after fighting Spence (unless Mikey wins, and even then I'd give him a pass).
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Ron Swanson
FTR I get that every big fight can’t happen immediately. I just want indications they will happen eventually
Like, I don’t care that AJ/Wilder isn’t happening now. I just don’t want to hear Eddie say more things that indicate it won’t happen in April. Like saying if Wilder/Fury does 1 million PPVs then AJ/Wilder is a 50/50 fight in Wimbley. The math there is wildly wrong. If Wilder/Fury does 1 million it’s 60/40 Wilder and in Vegas. That sounds like it’s no closer to happening.
I don't think AJ/ Wilder happens in April, think Whyte sneaks in there. We've all seen fights waited on too long or not made at all, lets hope this fight is one of the few that gets made as close to as possible as we'd like.
