Canelo v Jacobs - May 4th - Las Vegas

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Canelo showing some flashes of brilliance in there with a solid performance. His movement is just better than Jacobs and Danny paid the price for not being able to get out of the way as sublimely as Alvarez does at times, and so could not do his own work. Whatever you think of Canelo the person, as a boxer he continues to impress and make a very good case for being one of the P4P greats fighting today. His punch selection is fantastic and innate which allows him to dictate things while his opponent is busy just trying to survive and adjust. He does not even need to be on the front foot to be making the space in which to deliver. He does not rely on the uppercut to get back to work when backed up, he can mix it up much more fluidly now and it left Jacobs exasperated.

Jacobs did well to hold his own and still be there to claw a few rounds back toward the second half when Alvarez slowed, but the work had been done, and in truth the cards could have been even wider without it being a case of Vegas bias. It's a bummer when the 'good' guy is not the one with his hand held up but Canelo is making a solid case for leaving a legacy bigger than the controversy. The problem is now who does he fight? He could give GGG a third fight and knock him out and he still would not be granted the kudos his solid performances have earned him.

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Let’s not get carried away. Canelo won legitimately but it wasn’t a blowout. Canelo is a good fighter but there are still a handful of guys better than him. Canelo is still bottom half p4p guy.

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It wasn't a blowout because Jacobs is very good. The fact that at times Canelo could make him look ordinary and pedestrian proves just how good Canelo is. GGG and Jacobs are top tier fighters and while I thought he lost at least one fight to GGG we are talking fine margins against another top drawer fighter. If it was the 70's, 80's or 90's Canelo would hang in there with guys who are talked about as legends today. Who would you have above him in the nonsensical P4P rankings? Lomachenko, Usyk, Crawford, Inoue, Wangek?

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I wouldn’t rank Wangek above him now since he just lost last week to Estrada. I think that Crawford, Loma, and Usyk are all clearly above him. I still think that Garcia is clearly above him (don’t think the Spence loss should be counted against him). I would also rank Inuoe above him. So that’s five who I think are pretty clearly above him. I would put Spence above him too. GGG is also above him because a p4p list for me has nothing to do with what the judges score but what I score, and I thought GGG won both fights pretty convincingly (about as convincing as Canelo beat Jacobs).

So that’s 6 people I think should be above him. Wangek could have been if not for the fact of losing last week. I’ve said multiple times that I do think that Canelo is a really good fighter. He is just the cash cow in boxing at the moment so he is extremely overrated by the media which convinced the common fan that he is better than he is. Canelo has yet to just dominate a fight against a good fighter. This was his first non controversial win against a good fighter.

So again, he is a really good fighter, but I just don’t fall into the hype the media pushes for him. There are definitely better fighters out there who don’t get near the push because they can’t generate near the money.

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Originally Posted by Beanz

Canelo showing some flashes of brilliance in there with a solid performance. His movement is just better than Jacobs and Danny paid the price for not being able to get out of the way as sublimely as Alvarez does at times, and so could not do his own work. Whatever you think of Canelo the person, as a boxer he continues to impress and make a very good case for being one of the P4P greats fighting today. His punch selection is fantastic and innate which allows him to dictate things while his opponent is busy just trying to survive and adjust. He does not even need to be on the front foot to be making the space in which to deliver. He does not rely on the uppercut to get back to work when backed up, he can mix it up much more fluidly now and it left Jacobs exasperated.

Jacobs did well to hold his own and still be there to claw a few rounds back toward the second half when Alvarez slowed, but the work had been done, and in truth the cards could have been even wider without it being a case of Vegas bias. It's a bummer when the 'good' guy is not the one with his hand held up but Canelo is making a solid case for leaving a legacy bigger than the controversy. The problem is now who does he fight? He could give GGG a third fight and knock him out and he still would not be granted the kudos his solid performances have earned him.

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Let’s not get carried away. Canelo won legitimately but it wasn’t a blowout. Canelo is a good fighter but there are still a handful of guys better than him. Canelo is still bottom half p4p guy.

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It wasn't a blowout because Jacobs is very good. The fact that at times Canelo could make him look ordinary and pedestrian proves just how good Canelo is. GGG and Jacobs are top tier fighters and while I thought he lost at least one fight to GGG we are talking fine margins against another top drawer fighter. If it was the 70's, 80's or 90's Canelo would hang in there with guys who are talked about as legends today. Who would you have above him in the nonsensical P4P rankings? Lomachenko, Usyk, Crawford, Inoue, Wangek?

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And I think with Canelo’s chin and heavy hands, he could hang in with some of the great MWs over the past few decades, but I don’t think he has proven to be on that level.

https://www.boxingscene.com/canelo-a...-stats--138692

Jacobs ended up missing quite a lot, or had his punches blocked. Well according to compubox.

Hey guys. Didn't watch the fight but you guys did a great job on your combined rbr commentary... ;D

From the sounds of it, Canelo deserves credit for beating Jacobs in what appears to have been a fair decision. Would've been interesting to see the quandary Jacobs would've put the judges in, had he won convincingly over Canelo. One could say he spared the judges the dreaded task of having to rob him. What can I say. As probably the biggest Canelo hater on this forum, I'll grudgingly give Ginger his due. He's still a dirty cheater.... and nothing will ever change the fact that he was anointed and coddled since Day One of his career. Nothing will change the fact that he also played the weight game like a grandmaster, and was always bigger and heavier than his opponents. But he HAS worked hard at improving, and seems to have found his groove at middleweight. Forgotten obviously, is the shameful way he dodged Golovkin in the beginning while Fishnets was trying to drag GGG down to 154... only to have Ginger inexplicably jump to 170 to fight pushover Chavez Jr. When he finally worked up enough guts to fight GGG, he got gifted two decisions. Vegas is Canelo's playground and safe haven. He'll never have to worry about a decision going against him. Not with judges, announcers, and everyone around him deep-throating him for all they're worth. Still.... all that aside, Canelo keeps doing his job and facing the top guys (the Rocky Fieldings of the world notwithstanding). Aside from the friendly confines of Las Vegas, he's got his chin to thank for his success. With that combination and Team Ginger's matchmaking prowess, it's possible that Canelo retires without ever losing another fight.

That being said, I still hate the guy. ;)

All the things that can be questioned about Canelo, his opposition is not one. Is their anything more important than top fighters fighting other top fighters?

Dude is like 28, can you imagine where his CV is headed? It’s no wonder he has so many haters. Hell, I’ve always been one myself but he does the one thing I ask top guys to do, I should be on board. If he only did it fair

I’m gonna set myself up for some shit here, but I probably had Jacobs sneaking the fight, same as I had him sneaking the GGG Fight. I’m not crying fix or anything like that, I can totally see how the fight could be given either way and wouldn’t argue it.
And this isn’t particularly a Pop at Canelo, but we all know in Boxing that some fighters have a distinct advantage with the judges and the way the media perceive them.
If you watched that fight on your own with no sound, and didn’t know either guy , you would see the fight very differently.
Dave Coldwell on Sky giving Canelo all the first Six rounds is an example of this. It plants ideas in people’s minds..
Like I said, I’m not screaming fix and good luck to Canelo, there are some qualities he has that cannot be denied regardless of any opinion of him.

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I’m gonna set myself up for some shit here, but I probably had Jacobs sneaking the fight, same as I had him sneaking the GGG Fight. I’m not crying fix or anything like that, I can totally see how the fight could be given either way and wouldn’t argue it.
And this isn’t particularly a Pop at Canelo, but we all know in Boxing that some fighters have a distinct advantage with the judges and the way the media perceive them.
If you watched that fight on your own with no sound, and didn’t know either guy , you would see the fight very differently.
Dave Coldwell on Sky giving Canelo all the first Six rounds is an example of this. It plants ideas in people’s minds..
Like I said, I’m not screaming fix and good luck to Canelo, there are some qualities he has that cannot be denied regardless of any opinion of him.

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I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility to give Jacobs the fight. I just think that it was probably Canelo’s fight at the end. I ado agree though that sometimes when commentators or ringside scoring is very adamant about their scoring, it can potentially make you try to score it more towards the bias than you should.

i have a theory that when a guy going forward fights a guy going backward, everybody will think the guy going forward might knock out the guy going backward, so they score that. what they are scoring is the suspense. when they watch the fight a few more times, the punches are never as dangerous as they seemed, so that dynamic changes. what i mean to say is, when you watch a fight with a cool head, you score it a lot different.

there is one more part to that theory. when you watch a fight with a cool head, you might tend to score it to the boxer. that is who the boxer is after all. he is the guy with the cool head. in other words, he is you.

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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

I’m gonna set myself up for some shit here, but I probably had Jacobs sneaking the fight, same as I had him sneaking the GGG Fight. I’m not crying fix or anything like that, I can totally see how the fight could be given either way and wouldn’t argue it.
And this isn’t particularly a Pop at Canelo, but we all know in Boxing that some fighters have a distinct advantage with the judges and the way the media perceive them.
If you watched that fight on your own with no sound, and didn’t know either guy , you would see the fight very differently.
Dave Coldwell on Sky giving Canelo all the first Six rounds is an example of this. It plants ideas in people’s minds..
Like I said, I’m not screaming fix and good luck to Canelo, there are some qualities he has that cannot be denied regardless of any opinion of him.

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Nah, I agree. Some of those early rounds were nip and tuck. The first could be Jacobs and then another a few rounds later I thought was close. Half way up Canelo was in a groove, but he slowed and Jacobs started taking the rounds. It was a close fight. Canelo was flashier, but Jacobs did his share of work. In the end though Canelo did seem to land more as Jacobs was waiting too long in each of the rounds. Needed to be more active and wasn't. Perhaps a bit drained at MW nowadays, but he signed up for the fight, so no excuses.

Bit random there, but basically saying it was close. Thought Canelo was working more of the rounds in the first half. then Jacobs started pulling it back. I also don't trust Compubox. Some of their rounds seem strange to me. Jacobs was definitely landing with the combo's. At one point I think it was 6 landed blows in a row.

Canelo vs. Jacobs: Oscar De La Hoya outlines Canelo Alvarez's next options

Oscar De La Hoya says Saul "Canelo" Alvarez has yet to discuss his next moves, but suggested potential options include fights with Sergey Kovalev, Callum Smith or a third installment against Gennady Golovkin.

Canelo added the IBF middleweight title to his WBA and WBC belts with a unanimous points win over Daniel Jacobs in Las Vegas on Saturday.

In the immediate aftermath, the Mexican hinted he would be open to another meeting with GGG, having defeated the Kazakh last September following a contentious draw between the pair the previous year.

And promoter De La Hoya believes Canelo's next opponent could take the form of WBA super-middleweight champion Smith or WBO light-heavyweight king Kovalev, with London's Wembley or the Dallas Cowboys' AT&T Stadium possible venues.

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"I mean who fights Golovkin back to back and then Jacobs?" De La Hoya said. "We haven't spoken about his next fights. He has lots of options. For now, we'll enjoy the victory and within time we'll see what's next.

"There's lots of options for him. Callum Smith, Kovalev at 175 [lbs]. He has lots of options. One thing about Canelo is he never shies away from a challenge. Canelo's wish is to unify all the belts. Canelo has expressed interest in fighting in Wembley Stadium in England [or] Dallas. A trilogy with GGG is also possible."

On the win over Jacobs, De La Hoya added: "What a beautiful weekend for Cinco de Mayo. Our champion won in what was a close and difficult fight.

"Now let's celebrate this Cinco de Mayo. It was a wonderful fight. Jacobs is an amazing champion. I had Canelo winning by two or three points. Jacobs is a warrior. We are pleased."

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/can...133252532.html

Jacobs after Canelo loss: I might have outgrown middleweight division

Daniel Jacobs suggested he has outgrown the middleweight division following his defeat to Saul "Canelo" Alvarez in Las Vegas on Saturday.

Canelo prevailed courtesy of a unanimous points decision at T-Mobile Arena, collecting Jacobs' IBF strap to add to the WBA and WBC belts already in his possession.

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And Jacobs, now 35-3 in his professional career, thinks the time may have come for him to step up and compete in the super-middleweight class.

"I knew it was a sacrifice that I had to take because the 10-day weigh-in for me was just a lot," he told a post-bout media conference.

"Just me rehydrating with water, I shot up to 170 [lbs]. That was just water alone, so I knew that my body definitely needed to rehydrate, and I definitely needed to put a little bit more in my system.

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"That was the sacrifice that I took. Me and my team came up with the plan that that would be the best decision for me to go in there and give my all, and be more depleted than what we already was.

"I'm a naturally big guy, and I might have just overgrown the middleweight division.

"Hopefully I gained a couple of fans as well ... I still think that I have a career that should be thriving after this.

"The super-middleweight division is still jam-packed. We'll see what happens."

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/jac...132613392.html

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And promoter De La Hoya believes Canelo's next opponent could take the form of WBA super-middleweight champion Smith or WBO light-heavyweight king Kovalev, with London's Wembley or the Dallas Cowboys' AT&T Stadium possible venues.

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I'm not a betting man. But I'd be happy to bet good money that this doesn't happen. "NEXT" opponent? Callum?? Kovalev??!? At Wembley?!?!?!?

Oscar's known for talking a lot of shit. But those fishnets must be cutting the oxygen supply to his brain by now.

This shit will NEVER happen.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Canelo took a tough opponent next, I think he gained a lot of confidence in the 2nd GGG fight.

The only reason those fights get mentioned is that Canelo wants no part of a focused Rocky fielding. Nobody even talks about the fact that Fieldings second cousin had tennis elbow for that fight and he had to open wall street just weeks beforehand.

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I wouldn’t be surprised if Canelo took a tough opponent next, I think he gained a lot of confidence in the 2nd GGG fight.

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I think the main reason Canelo is taking and will continue to take tough matchups is that DAZN want some value for money. But the main thing is that he is taking these fights, hopefully everyone else will follow suit, especially the HW’s and Spence/Crawford.

I think Canelo has slowed quit a bit. I don’t expect him to fight GGG again. I think he deserves credit for his CV but I don’t expect him to take any more big risks.

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Originally Posted by powerpuncher

The weird thing is that I predicted that Jacobs would win the fight because I assumed he would fight the whole fight like he fight fought the second half. He should have started throwing combinations earlier

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Yup, IMO, a corner has got to assume with a Canelo figure, you got to start the show big, keep it big, close the show big.

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I think Canelo has slowed quit a bit. I don’t expect him to fight GGG again. I think he deserves credit for his CV but I don’t expect him to take any more big risks.

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Another fight with GGG is good for Canelo but not for GGG. Age does not favor GGG. The longer they wait for a 3rd fight the better for Canelo and he knows it the same way he knew when he waited for years until finally accepting a fight with him and getting gift decisions.

great fight possibly foy had ggg by a point .the cut really woke sergey up prior to that it looked like an easy nights work for ggg