Corbyn attacker get 28 days in prison, Robinson attacked and police do nothing.

Well you addressed only the final part about yearning to be part of the media class. After all you do claim to be a journalist. The rest is your fantastical waffle. Probably a bit late there. :-\

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Lennon mainly is castigated because he is opposed to the death cult as many sane people are .

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If only that were remotely true. Most Muslims are against the extremist violent rhetoric and actions of those you call a death cult. That is the starting point for any reasonable decent human being. You are denying facts in order to justify your own very simplistic take on reality. Lennon wants it all to be about him. He has exposed nobody but himself and his agenda. So twisted are his motives that he even managed to justify to himself endangering the conviction of the scum that would prey on kids in order to further his own agenda. I know that you supposedly support having a legal system that punishes such monsters so why would you think that Lennon gets to disregard those principle of justice in order to capitalise on outrage for his own agenda?

I mean I don't know what you really want me to say Al? That religion is no excuse for any of the sick things done in the name of it? I have been saying that for years here. I have never once defended the scum that beat, bomb and rape people and then use some lame religious justification. Many now making the arguments for Lennon have.

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Utter nonsense. How do you know most Muslims are against violent rhetoric? This sounds like your 'racist Asians' argument. You do not know that. In the wake of the Muhammad cartoons controversy alone 200 people got killed. Protests were all over the world perhaps in their millions, violently so, death threats were made, churches were attacked. And all for cartoons. Imagine if it was anything truly radical. Aren't our cultures about free expression? Well, you disagree with freedom of speech so not for you. All around the UK kids are being abused, 40 more arrested last week. Why no comment on that? Do you not care about victims? Just look at the Robinson turn out the other day with gangs of angry Muslims looking to disrupt things. You have hundreds of Isis fighters living freely in the UK and 20,000 on a watch list at what expense to the tax payer? 66% of Muslims would not report someone joining a terrorist group and most of them believe in a system that degrades women and refuses to accept the legal rights of homosexuals. Yet you call us on the forum homophobes and misogynists constantly.

The second bolded part is just your opinion and nothing more. You make all kinds of strange claims like declaring what the people of the North East think or the people of England think and you do not at all as you see thousands of people listening, wanting pictures taking, and just to listen in peace without violent groups disrupting it all. You even support censorship based on lies. After all Facebook has NEVER backed up their claims either.

You are part of that phony media class or at least you yearn to be. Like I say you parrot just like the Warrington Guardian chap except you sound like a pirate. With a parrot on his shoulder.

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Miles i am not part of your imaginary phony media class and I make no apologies to you for using my life to do something useful. While you may think nothing of applauding and backing those who inspire and advocate violence against and the censoring of journalists, do not make the mistake of thinking you forum alter ego is somehow equally as informed. You are incredibly ignorant about some subjects and seemingly happy to be so. No mention of Trumps $2 Billion worth of free media coverage that swept him into power and a position in which he dictates the news (quite literally) and like you, demonizes anyone who questions his rhetoric and arrogance. Part of the same web that has thrown a shadow over the UK in order to obscure the theft of democracy and rights by the same elite business owners you support in your cap doffing to extreme Brexit idealogy and the deification of Robinson et al.

If you are going to salute strange men with unhealthy attitudes towards women and immigrants and non-christian, non-white, non-hetero generally then you are virtue signalling an agreement with that rhetoric and YouTube based lifestyle. I do not support censorship in any form, quite the opposite but I am not so naive to believe that anyone can truly be objective and neutral. I am honest and I get that it unnerves you. I will not apologise because you are uncomfortable or because you have never been targeted by racists or xenophobes or misogynists.

Islam believes that 'Paradise lies at the feet of mothers' that Mary the mother of Jesus is honoured above all women. Kindness, compassion, devotion and kindness are taught to us by women and while I do not expect you to know this you should know that I would not say something if I had not witnessed it myself. You can call me a liar all you like but it does not add to your own argument.

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Right, I finally have a little time to address your surreal musings.

1. Firstly, twice there you have tried to suggest that you are honest and that I think you are a liar. Well, for years you have harangued anybody who has questioned your mental health as being bullies and harassers, but as you revealed yourself you do have a mental illness. Now obviously I do not hold that against you and consider you a reasonably intelligent man. I mean, I might disagree with many of your arguments, but I respect that you attempt to make an argument though of course refuse to answer any questions and want it all on your own terms. However, you are not honest as many people have suggested something was off with you and it turns out that they were right. If there is manipulation there, I suspect it in other areas too.

2. If you think you are doing something useful then good for you. I think many people use their life to do something useful. People on the dole for year after year are not doing anything useful, but most people serve a function of some kind be it a musician, nurse, teacher or librarian.

3. You accuse me of being terribly ignorant about some topics, but what topics are they? I do not claim to be a zoologist for example and there are many things I do not know about. You are incredibly ignorant too such as when you bizarrely claim that the UK has a lot of trees. Look at the data, it simply does not as compared with many other countries.

4. I am not sure what Trump has to do with any of this, but you were posting late and it is a little random. I suppose it was just to compare me to Donald Trump which let's face it is a rather unusual and odd comparison to make. Are you being honest there? I mean, look yourself in the mirror and really tell yourself that Gandalf is like Donald Trump. Doesn't really make sense does it? Is anyone who questions obviously fake media opinion driven discourse Donald Trump now?

5. Now I am supporting business owners and want to obscure democratic rights? You do know that you are in the EU by stealth right and that it is not democratic? You do know all this right? Why would you as an Englishman not want your country to enforce its own laws? The smaller the system the more accountable it is. This is where Americans struggle and Chinese struggle. Iceland is doing alright.

6. Who are the strange men with unhealthy attitudes to women and immigrants and non-whites? See, you think you do not lie, but you don't even notice that you do it. You project things onto people to fit your own narrative and that is unhealthy thinking. This is where I find you a bit square. Nowhere do I support people who support the mistreatment of women, or legal migrants who pay their taxes, or have any issues with people because of their skin color. However, as I have told you privately though, I will never deny facts or science and anything can be discussed. As soon as you resort to the -ist and -ism's you know you have nothing left and you do it all the time.

7. And don't think for a moment your 'honesty' is what bothers me. It is quite the opposite at times. You are slippery and ideological. For years you have lied about yourself whilst telling everybody else they are problematic. Did you not once stop to think that you were part of the problem? I suspect some of the Mods knew already and that is why others tumbled and you were given a pass for your behavior.

8. Have I asked you to apologize for your perceived honesty? Who is looking for an apology here? Nope, don't need one.

9. What is that waffle at the end? Those things are not taught by women, they are taught by good men and women. Just as some are good, many are awful and we are seeing the consequences after decades of family unit destruction. Any person raising their child in a cult too is probably not such a decent person. That is indoctrination and child abuse. You appear to have had a difficult childhood and a tough adulthood and I am sorry about that. I shall randomly conclude by comparing you to Nick Clegg. Why? Because it is random and I can look myself in the mirror and know when I am being random.

Miles. I am not a liar and autism is not a mental illness. My brain is different to yours, it is as simple as that. I don't really like labels and don't actually think they are often very helpful. I am not asking for sympathy or people to interact or treat me any differently online and it should be quite clear why I would not broadcast the fact here.

Despite claiming that you were constantly bullied from the first time I posted here on the whole you have been as guilty of gaslighting and displaying a breathtaking lack of empathy as anyone else.

Having worked supporting people at uni for 3yrs with a range of physical and mental barriers that made life much harder for them, I can honestly say none of them even came close to displaying the spite and vindictive ire stored up for certain posters on here.

Make of that what you will.

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Miles. I am not a liar and autism is not a mental illness. My brain is different to yours, it is as simple as that. I don't really like labels and don't actually think they are often very helpful. I am not asking for sympathy or people to interact or treat me any differently online and it should be quite clear why I would not broadcast the fact here.

Despite claiming that you were constantly bullied from the first time I posted here on the whole you have been as guilty of gaslighting and displaying a breathtaking lack of empathy as anyone else.

Having worked supporting people at uni for 3yrs with a range of physical and mental barriers that made life much harder for them, I can honestly say none of them even came close to displaying the spite and vindictive ire stored up for certain posters on here.

Make of that what you will.

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It is classified as a mental disorder and for years you said that there was nothing wrong with your mental health. I am not looking to nag away at this one, but merely saying that you have lied.

On the topic of me being bullied on here, I don't think there is any doubt that I was. However, I learned to start swinging and thus I did my swing thing. As you can see I am stronger than I have ever been.

The lack of empathy is an interesting one for me because what you consider lacking in empathy, I actually consider empathy. Thus when I highlight the harmful effect of single motherhood, you will berate me for my lack of care, but ignore the data out there that proves that it leads to bad outcomes. I recently read a book about Marilyn Monroe and it made me see that some people had it even worse than me. No idea who her dad was, a mother who abandoned her at 2 weeks, re-united, then abandoned again, and on and on it goes. Believe me, I have empathy and interestingly part of the deal of her first marriage at 16 was 'no children'. What an evil woman with no empathy right? What kind of young lady, having experienced sexual abuse prior, deny a souse a child? Maybe it was her way of caring. You have to put yourself in the footsteps of the damaged to have empathy and I think I can and do. I have plenty of empathy and see totally what damage only bad female role models and no good male role models does to people. Not absolute of course, but in the general it is true.


Or you might bring up illegal immigrants, but my empathy is more for the struggling in our own countries rather than everyone in the world. The empathy must come from those having the children and if life kind of sucks, then you have a duty to show a little concern and not have a lot of children. If you don't have resources then maybe don't have children. I consider that an empathetic position. You have spoken about downsizing, but why not instead just let an illegal immigrant stay with you? Admittedly, I am not that empathetic in a case like that. Thus evil me will say 'Don't have kids unless you have resources, two loving parents, and time to give'. Otherwise what is it for? Your ego? A being to be raised by the state? In a totalitarian system? Empathy works in different ways, not only your way.

You worked with a bunch of kids in a classroom setting. I am sure you never saw the full range of their feelings. I bet some even went online and said racy things. I have been around thousands of young adults and they are hardly going to be with me like they are when going hell for leather with Mum and Dad restricting their freedoms or telling them what to do. It is neither here nor there. There are different sides to everyone. And do not pretend you have not been one malicious bastard over the years and neither will I. ;)

3. There are over a billion trees in England alone. 25 trees for everyone human. Unlike yourself I don't have to just rely on data I can walk down the road and see a tree every 10feet or I can get into my car and drive down the dual carriage way and there are still trees every ten feet. Or I can walk to two or three woodlands in any suburb of the city. Or I can drive for miles in the Devon or Cornwall countryside thru thousands of trees lining roads as canopy which the grandkids call tree tunnels. UK cities are full of trees and parks even huge cities like London. You it seems are full of doo doo.

Trees define the British landscape. Any Brit living here will confirm how ignorant your assertion there are not many trees in England is.

I can see a pattern of denial here you seem to share with the Internet data propaganda addicts you endorse. It's OK to admit you made a mistake.

And no unlike like Peterson you may not claim to know about zoology or animal biology of which we are all relatively ignorant, but I would also suggest your ignorance of religion is not your only other blindspot. Its not a criticism its a fact.

You could argue that people who believe in a fairytail are more ingnorant than people who dont believe.
If desert dwelling nomads are your thing then great.

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3. There are over a billion trees in England alone. 25 trees for everyone human. Unlike yourself I don't have to just rely on data I can walk down the road and see a tree every 10feet or I can get into my car and drive down the dual carriage way and there are still trees every ten feet. Or I can walk to two or three woodlands in any suburb of the city. Or I can drive for miles in the Devon or Cornwall countryside thru thousands of trees lining roads as canopy which the grandkids call tree tunnels. UK cities are full of trees and parks even huge cities like London. You it seems are full of doo doo.

Trees define the British landscape. Any Brit living here will confirm how ignorant your assertion there are not many trees in England is.

I can see a pattern of denial here you seem to share with the Internet data propaganda addicts you endorse. It's OK to admit you made a mistake.

And no unlike like Peterson you may not claim to know about zoology or animal biology of which we are all relatively ignorant, but I would also suggest your ignorance of religion is not your only other blindspot. Its not a criticism its a fact.

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Before you said of was about 40 odd trees per person. You are downsizing, but regardless of if the woods are down the road or there are a few trees lining your street, the UK has remarkably few trees! I do not need to rely on data either as I have photographs to back up what I say. I have lived and traveled to countries with many and few trees. The Middle East is admittedly less abundant with trees than the UK, but other countries have FAR more trees than the UK. I have my own recorded data and the actual statistics to prove that I am not making things up. Even the London parks are not full of trees and I have pictures of them. There are trees, but it is mostly grass, a lake or two, and some admittedly very fine trees. These are trees. Many trees.

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...tid=4740&stc=1

Proper trees. Mountain after mountain covered in trees.

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...tid=4741&stc=1

Miles 'I recently read a book' seems to be for you a substitute for real life experience and something you seem to think makes you special, as though nobody else could be quite as erudite as yourself.

We all read books. Hundreds and in some cases thousands. Well done have a Blue Peter badge.

Choosing not to disclose or define myself by being on the spectrum is not an example of me telling lies. Why are you obsessed with trying to expose me as some kind of charlatan instead of just sticking to the facts in hand?

My mental health is fine. That is the whole point. I am not sick, for me the focus is a real asset. It gives me an edge that I would never sacrifice and I don't want to filter and censor myself here either just because you want to hide yourself away in an imaginary safe space.

Your unrelenting personal attacks i think makes your claims of having changed so much ring hollow.

Ugh... What rubbish trees.

A picture of two trees is not a rebuttal.

Over a billion trees = More than a few

See you are just trolling now.

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You could indeed. Everyone though believes in something and you will find as much diversity of opinion among religious believers as you will in atheists.

You will find people using science, logic, money, politics, power, etc as an excuse for all kinds of barbarity including the two biggest wars we have ever had and the genocide of millions all over the world.

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Miles 'I recently read a book' seems to be for you a substitute for real life experience and something you seem to think makes you special, as though nobody else could be quite as erudite as yourself.

We all read books. Hundreds and in some cases thousands. Well done have a Blue Peter badge.

Choosing not to disclose or define myself by being on the spectrum is not an example of me telling lies. Why are you obsessed with trying to expose me as some kind of charlatan instead of just sticking to the facts in hand?

My mental health is fine. That is the whole point. I am not sick, for me the focus is a real asset. It gives me an edge that I would never sacrifice and I don't want to filter and censor myself here either just because you want to hide yourself away in an imaginary safe space.

Your unrelenting personal attacks i think makes your claims of having changed so much ring hollow.

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Thank you for endorsing that I read books. Many people do not read books at all, but I do read and cannot help it. I am not as voracious as when I was young though.

I think you are fine too, old boy. But it was a lie to tell people who said that something was amiss that you were perfectly fine. I don't consider you a charlatan. I believe you when you say the things you have done.

I totally get where you are coming from and think we are probably a bit more alike than we would care to admit. We just do things differently. I am an eccentric and wouldn't want it any other way either.

Now if you will just concede on the damn trees then this tussle is done.

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Are you blind? You are the one trolling. I am offering you statistics and my own recorded evidence. Those entire mountains stretching into the distance were layered with nothing but trees. I was at the top of a mountain covered in trees and that entire region of the country looks like that. There is nothing in the UK like that as nice as the UK countryside is.

How can you judge the tree quality from that distance? It's a long distance and is just a wall of trees.

So your point is what? That the UK is not South Korea?

I don't know what you want me to say. Of course I love and hug trees. I am vehemently opposed to the government sell off of forests and I can see quite clearly that we can no longer sustain our timber needs domestically.

Should we cull some farms and estates and hunt feudal and corporate owners on horseback before replanting Broadwood? Probably.

No, just that the UK has few trees compared to many countries even within Europe.

I am not having a go at the English countryside which is charming, but I had never really noticed the lack of trees until it was pointed out to me and I did not stubbornly resist this simple truth year after year. I think I just said 'You are right' and that was the end of the discussion.

You can take a train from the North to London and there are a lot of farms and roaming sheep, but not many fully fledged forests. Of course there are woods and what have you, but it is mostly fields or low laying vegetation on the moors. The Pennines has forests, but it really is mostly barren wilderness.

I won't go into culling as you already think I am into Eugenics. 😅

Sargon of Akkad highlights a number of the things some of us have argued, though he avoids the topic of a treeless England.

Basically the British media is now promoting and inciting violence. As seen gangs of Muslim men are now starting to hurl rocks and the narrative is very different to how it would be if Robinson supporters were throwing rocks. Papers like The Guardian and The Independent have basically encouraged this by telling lies about people and laughing off violence. As I have always argued, there should not be one rule for Jeremy Corbyn and one rule for Tommy Robinson.

Like I say the media ignores the thousands of Robinson supporters peacefully wanting to listen and then makes light of violent attacks. If Robinson supporters responded in kind you know exactly how they would spin it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZImW5ZU2uY

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Sargon of Akkad highlights a number of the things some of us have argued, though he avoids the topic of a treeless England.

Basically the British media is now promoting and inciting violence. As seen gangs of Muslim men are now starting to hurl rocks and the narrative is very different to how it would be if Robinson supporters were throwing rocks. Papers like The Guardian and The Independent have basically encouraged this by telling lies about people and laughing off violence. As I have always argued, there should not be one rule for Jeremy Corbyn and one rule for Tommy Robinson.

Like I say the media ignores the thousands of Robinson supporters peacefully wanting to listen and then makes light of violent attacks. If Robinson supporters responded in kind you know exactly how they would spin it.

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Shameful really. The media is so deliberate and evil

It is despicable, Lyle. Looking at Robinson's full video the police appeared to be leading those armed thugs towards the Robinson rally! Then of course they started to throw rocks, seemingly hit a woman with glass, and even a pair of scissors was thrown. Then you look at all of the newspaper responses and none told the true story of what happened.

I saw a few videos where a number of the anti-Robinson supporters were interviewed and the level of ignorance is extraordinary. The left seem to be equipped with nothing more than a few chants and a handful of buzzwords like 'Nazi', 'Fascist', 'racist', 'scum', 'hate', yet when challenged most of them run away or start to stutter. I see why some refuse to debate in person. They can't.


I would like to believe the police when they say they will do something, but I don't believe them at this stage. It looked as though the thugs were actually guided there and Robinson chose that place because he knew that it was relatively far from a large Muslim community. Yet still look what happened.

28 days in prison for egging Corbyn which is of course a bad thing to do, but none of these attacks on Robinson or Benjamin are being condemned and in fact the media is joking about it or in the case of Oldham brushing it under the carpet. They won't come out and admit where the violence is coming from. Not jokes or bad words, but actual violence that can cause physical harm. The journalists have a lot to answer for and this is where I think Robinson is right to locate and question those that lie about him.

Shameful.

The difference in reaction between Carl and Tommy to getting shaked is funny/chalk and cheese. Yesterday morning I heard a 30 minute interview with the UKIP daddy (Batten?), he got pissed off as every single question to him was about Carl and the rape comment. If you didn't know anything about him you'd think he actually raped someone. I wonder how this constant publicity is affecting his subscribers? He gives the impression he's loving it.

Well the Sargon of Akkad channel has 957K+ subscribers and his secondary channel The Thinkery has 413K+ subscribers of which I'm sure there is much overlap. The entire Jess Phillips deal and the disingenuous nature in which the media have covered it looks extraordinarily bad if you actually know anything about how things went down.


Jess Phillips' initial response to the comment was nothing, she wasn't bothered AT ALL (even by her own admission) to double back and now claim offense from the offset looks a bit like simulation at this point and is surely a sign of her falling in the polls.


The BBC just look like absolute partisan idiots. It doesn't take much time to dig into this issue and understand everything about it. You wonder "How can the OK hand sign be turned into a white supremacy symbol?" and this is no different. Carl Benjamin pulls a typical trolling technique in order to get attention, the mob of the perpetually outraged takes the bait (because ALWAYS) and then Carl Benjamin gets a platform in the minds of those folks and hopefully he sets a few free with calm reasoned logic....but I suppose that will be deemed racist any day now as well.



All Jess Phillips, all the BBC had to do in order to NOT "feed the troll" was to take the comment for what it literally was and then no power is given to Carl Benjamin, his words have no weight, and he doesn't give a political push to UKIP. If someone tells you "I wouldn't even rape you".....the correct response is to say either nothing at all or comment on how weird of a thing it is to say and appreciate the fact that physical violence and sexual assault would NOT be visited upon you by that person instead of twisting the words to stay as the victim.



Carl is seemingly doing quite well in his tour. He's certainly seemed to catch everyone else flatfooted and people are not indifferent to him which bodes quite well for his numbers. Meanwhile you've got members of other political parties saying it's "totalitarianism" to follow through on Brexit.....WOW...that should have people violently up in arms, your vote as the people (whether you individually voted Brexit or Remain) has been dismissed by the powers that be, that can't feel good. I mean sure I've disliked votes on Obamacare and the like, but votes matter and when the government refuses action on votes that have been held that's leading down the road of totalitarianism meaning the government decides on it's own even if it's against the will of the people....scary road that road.

There should be nonstop marches and protest in favor of Brexit, but governments always seem less likely to divert course when the people they're impacting are busy working their jobs and providing for their families. The Antifa types are always unemployed, in school, or not useful at all in the workforce ergo they have all the time in the world to protest and cause a ruckus and the government will bend the knee to those assholes. It has to be very demoralizing.

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Well the Sargon of Akkad channel has 957K+ subscribers and his secondary channel The Thinkery has 413K+ subscribers of which I'm sure there is much overlap. The entire Jess Phillips deal and the disingenuous nature in which the media have covered it looks extraordinarily bad if you actually know anything about how things went down.


Jess Phillips' initial response to the comment was nothing, she wasn't bothered AT ALL (even by her own admission) to double back and now claim offense from the offset looks a bit like simulation at this point and is surely a sign of her falling in the polls.


The BBC just look like absolute partisan idiots. It doesn't take much time to dig into this issue and understand everything about it. You wonder "How can the OK hand sign be turned into a white supremacy symbol?" and this is no different. Carl Benjamin pulls a typical trolling technique in order to get attention, the mob of the perpetually outraged takes the bait (because ALWAYS) and then Carl Benjamin gets a platform in the minds of those folks and hopefully he sets a few free with calm reasoned logic....but I suppose that will be deemed racist any day now as well.



All Jess Phillips, all the BBC had to do in order to NOT "feed the troll" was to take the comment for what it literally was and then no power is given to Carl Benjamin, his words have no weight, and he doesn't give a political push to UKIP. If someone tells you "I wouldn't even rape you".....the correct response is to say either nothing at all or comment on how weird of a thing it is to say and appreciate the fact that physical violence and sexual assault would NOT be visited upon you by that person instead of twisting the words to stay as the victim.



Carl is seemingly doing quite well in his tour. He's certainly seemed to catch everyone else flatfooted and people are not indifferent to him which bodes quite well for his numbers. Meanwhile you've got members of other political parties saying it's "totalitarianism" to follow through on Brexit.....WOW...that should have people violently up in arms, your vote as the people (whether you individually voted Brexit or Remain) has been dismissed by the powers that be, that can't feel good. I mean sure I've disliked votes on Obamacare and the like, but votes matter and when the government refuses action on votes that have been held that's leading down the road of totalitarianism meaning the government decides on it's own even if it's against the will of the people....scary road that road.

There should be nonstop marches and protest in favor of Brexit, but governments always seem less likely to divert course when the people they're impacting are busy working their jobs and providing for their families. The Antifa types are always unemployed, in school, or not useful at all in the workforce ergo they have all the time in the world to protest and cause a ruckus and the government will bend the knee to those assholes. It has to be very demoralizing.

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I really do not want to offend you but I think it would be quite disingenuous to not disavow you of the many myths that make up a large part of your post. It may be incredibly difficult for you to ever contemplate it but yourself, Gandalf, and Carl's followers and apologists, really are the perpetually outraged that you seem to think anybody not agreeing with you all are.

Think about it. You are all not only perpetually outraged, but you actually actively seek out and provoke people in order to justify that outrage. I am not saying you are angry or off your head or mentally ill or constantly walking around with a chip on your shoulder but yourself and Gaydalf do repeatedly start threads expressing that outrage. The way you have framed the entire 'Rape Joke' situation is instructive too. Carl or Tarragon or whatever his name is, at this point in time is most certainly not an elected politician. Everything does not come down to a popularity contest and the very same contempt you are and have constantly and repeatedly show the British electorate with your eagerness to see American interests, and those of the deep state and corporate elites served by fermenting and encouraging violence, and the breakdown of order, to satisfy some weird desire to undo decades of peace and cooperation between Britain and Europe is an expression of that false outrage. Think again about why yourself and Gandalf, neither of whom live or will be affected by Brexit are the biggest advocates of the most extreme and unreasonable version of it.

You are indeed both addicted to outrage. Carl obviously is. It is his modus operandi. Do you not think it strange when you and Carl speak about Free speech it is in a way that cheapens and makes the concept worthless? What you are both suggesting is not free speech but the opposite. The shutting down of people's right to reply. Not only that but you are telling people what they should feel. You are not the one being told by people that they hope you are killed by someone pouring molten lava in your vagina. So it is quite hilarious when you then suggest that not only was Carl trolling and encouraging his followers to pile it on, but that you are supposedly in a position to tell someone what 'The correct response ' is. What it really is about is not taking personal responsibility. Carl refuses to apologise and so he has no choice but to pretend that somehow he is the victim in all this.

Carl is quite clearly a cunt and deserves a lot more than a cup of milkshake over his head but in order to twist reality and make him the victim you have to lie and use the same tactics as the perpetually outraged people you think you are so different from do.

The kind of Brexit you want would be incredibly harmful to the average working man and woman in the UK. Gandalf wants this, as does Farage and his sponsor the insurance tycoon Banks. Those pushing for a WTO Brexit want to kneecap Britain. Just like the clueless Americans who supplied money and arms to the IRA and then pretended to be anti-terrorist, you are making the mistake of thinking that to remove the yoke of tyranny you need to use the same violence that extremists the world over from rabid Islamists to Aerican business men intent on maintaining wars in the middle east in the name of profit.

Go and have a look in the Brexit thread and tell me that Yanis idea is not more rational and just.

Tommy is supported (financially and organizationally) by the American Daniel Pipes and The Middle East Forum. I said this years ago but it is worth repeating. This is what Pipes said about Syria

'Western powers should guide enemies to stalemate by helping whichever side is losing, so as to prolong the conflict'


So when you lie and insist that to be antifascist one must be unemployed and not useful in the workforce you let slip your true feelings about expressions of democracy. It is not shocking coming from AL but for you to suggest that anybody who marches against a government bent on removing their human rights and heritage, must have nothing better to do, is a bit worrying.

I hope you can see one day that Tommy does not speak for the majority of Brits, not even the majority of pro-Brexit voters and the Benjamin is a nasty divisive ignorant fool not worthy of a fraction of a fart.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

Well the Sargon of Akkad channel has 957K+ subscribers and his secondary channel The Thinkery has 413K+ subscribers of which I'm sure there is much overlap. The entire Jess Phillips deal and the disingenuous nature in which the media have covered it looks extraordinarily bad if you actually know anything about how things went down.


Jess Phillips' initial response to the comment was nothing, she wasn't bothered AT ALL (even by her own admission) to double back and now claim offense from the offset looks a bit like simulation at this point and is surely a sign of her falling in the polls.


The BBC just look like absolute partisan idiots. It doesn't take much time to dig into this issue and understand everything about it. You wonder "How can the OK hand sign be turned into a white supremacy symbol?" and this is no different. Carl Benjamin pulls a typical trolling technique in order to get attention, the mob of the perpetually outraged takes the bait (because ALWAYS) and then Carl Benjamin gets a platform in the minds of those folks and hopefully he sets a few free with calm reasoned logic....but I suppose that will be deemed racist any day now as well.



All Jess Phillips, all the BBC had to do in order to NOT "feed the troll" was to take the comment for what it literally was and then no power is given to Carl Benjamin, his words have no weight, and he doesn't give a political push to UKIP. If someone tells you "I wouldn't even rape you".....the correct response is to say either nothing at all or comment on how weird of a thing it is to say and appreciate the fact that physical violence and sexual assault would NOT be visited upon you by that person instead of twisting the words to stay as the victim.



Carl is seemingly doing quite well in his tour. He's certainly seemed to catch everyone else flatfooted and people are not indifferent to him which bodes quite well for his numbers. Meanwhile you've got members of other political parties saying it's "totalitarianism" to follow through on Brexit.....WOW...that should have people violently up in arms, your vote as the people (whether you individually voted Brexit or Remain) has been dismissed by the powers that be, that can't feel good. I mean sure I've disliked votes on Obamacare and the like, but votes matter and when the government refuses action on votes that have been held that's leading down the road of totalitarianism meaning the government decides on it's own even if it's against the will of the people....scary road that road.

There should be nonstop marches and protest in favor of Brexit, but governments always seem less likely to divert course when the people they're impacting are busy working their jobs and providing for their families. The Antifa types are always unemployed, in school, or not useful at all in the workforce ergo they have all the time in the world to protest and cause a ruckus and the government will bend the knee to those assholes. It has to be very demoralizing.

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I really do not want to offend you but I think it would be quite disingenuous to not disavow you of the many myths that make up a large part of your post. It may be incredibly difficult for you to ever contemplate it but yourself, Gandalf, and Carl's followers and apologists, really are the perpetually outraged that you seem to think anybody not agreeing with you all are.

Think about it. You are all not only perpetually outraged, but you actually actively seek out and provoke people in order to justify that outrage. I am not saying you are angry or off your head or mentally ill or constantly walking around with a chip on your shoulder but yourself and Gaydalf do repeatedly start threads expressing that outrage. The way you have framed the entire 'Rape Joke' situation is instructive too. Carl or Tarragon or whatever his name is, at this point in time is most certainly not an elected politician. Everything does not come down to a popularity contest and the very same contempt you are and have constantly and repeatedly show the British electorate with your eagerness to see American interests, and those of the deep state and corporate elites served by fermenting and encouraging violence, and the breakdown of order, to satisfy some weird desire to undo decades of peace and cooperation between Britain and Europe is an expression of that false outrage. Think again about why yourself and Gandalf, neither of whom live or will be affected by Brexit are the biggest advocates of the most extreme and unreasonable version of it.

You are indeed both addicted to outrage. Carl obviously is. It is his modus operandi. Do you not think it strange when you and Carl speak about Free speech it is in a way that cheapens and makes the concept worthless? What you are both suggesting is not free speech but the opposite. The shutting down of people's right to reply. Not only that but you are telling people what they should feel. You are not the one being told by people that they hope you are killed by someone pouring molten lava in your vagina. So it is quite hilarious when you then suggest that not only was Carl trolling and encouraging his followers to pile it on, but that you are supposedly in a position to tell someone what 'The correct response ' is. What it really is about is not taking personal responsibility. Carl refuses to apologise and so he has no choice but to pretend that somehow he is the victim in all this.

Carl is quite clearly a cunt and deserves a lot more than a cup of milkshake over his head but in order to twist reality and make him the victim you have to lie and use the same tactics as the perpetually outraged people you think you are so different from do.

The kind of Brexit you want would be incredibly harmful to the average working man and woman in the UK. Gandalf wants this, as does Farage and his sponsor the insurance tycoon Banks. Those pushing for a WTO Brexit want to kneecap Britain. Just like the clueless Americans who supplied money and arms to the IRA and then pretended to be anti-terrorist, you are making the mistake of thinking that to remove the yoke of tyranny you need to use the same violence that extremists the world over from rabid Islamists to Aerican business men intent on maintaining wars in the middle east in the name of profit.

Go and have a look in the Brexit thread and tell me that Yanis idea is not more rational and just.

Tommy is supported (financially and organizationally) by the American Daniel Pipes and The Middle East Forum. I said this years ago but it is worth repeating. This is what Pipes said about Syria

'Western powers should guide enemies to stalemate by helping whichever side is losing, so as to prolong the conflict'


So when you lie and insist that to be antifascist one must be unemployed and not useful in the workforce you let slip your true feelings about expressions of democracy. It is not shocking coming from AL but for you to suggest that anybody who marches against a government bent on removing their human rights and heritage, must have nothing better to do, is a bit worrying.

I hope you can see one day that Tommy does not speak for the majority of Brits, not even the majority of pro-Brexit voters and the Benjamin is a nasty divisive ignorant fool not worthy of a fraction of a fart.

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I was mentioned why ?

Thought I'd drop this in here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBgecf-rh8w

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

Well the Sargon of Akkad channel has 957K+ subscribers and his secondary channel The Thinkery has 413K+ subscribers of which I'm sure there is much overlap. The entire Jess Phillips deal and the disingenuous nature in which the media have covered it looks extraordinarily bad if you actually know anything about how things went down.


Jess Phillips' initial response to the comment was nothing, she wasn't bothered AT ALL (even by her own admission) to double back and now claim offense from the offset looks a bit like simulation at this point and is surely a sign of her falling in the polls.


The BBC just look like absolute partisan idiots. It doesn't take much time to dig into this issue and understand everything about it. You wonder "How can the OK hand sign be turned into a white supremacy symbol?" and this is no different. Carl Benjamin pulls a typical trolling technique in order to get attention, the mob of the perpetually outraged takes the bait (because ALWAYS) and then Carl Benjamin gets a platform in the minds of those folks and hopefully he sets a few free with calm reasoned logic....but I suppose that will be deemed racist any day now as well.



All Jess Phillips, all the BBC had to do in order to NOT "feed the troll" was to take the comment for what it literally was and then no power is given to Carl Benjamin, his words have no weight, and he doesn't give a political push to UKIP. If someone tells you "I wouldn't even rape you".....the correct response is to say either nothing at all or comment on how weird of a thing it is to say and appreciate the fact that physical violence and sexual assault would NOT be visited upon you by that person instead of twisting the words to stay as the victim.



Carl is seemingly doing quite well in his tour. He's certainly seemed to catch everyone else flatfooted and people are not indifferent to him which bodes quite well for his numbers. Meanwhile you've got members of other political parties saying it's "totalitarianism" to follow through on Brexit.....WOW...that should have people violently up in arms, your vote as the people (whether you individually voted Brexit or Remain) has been dismissed by the powers that be, that can't feel good. I mean sure I've disliked votes on Obamacare and the like, but votes matter and when the government refuses action on votes that have been held that's leading down the road of totalitarianism meaning the government decides on it's own even if it's against the will of the people....scary road that road.

There should be nonstop marches and protest in favor of Brexit, but governments always seem less likely to divert course when the people they're impacting are busy working their jobs and providing for their families. The Antifa types are always unemployed, in school, or not useful at all in the workforce ergo they have all the time in the world to protest and cause a ruckus and the government will bend the knee to those assholes. It has to be very demoralizing.

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I really do not want to offend you but I think it would be quite disingenuous to not disavow you of the many myths that make up a large part of your post. It may be incredibly difficult for you to ever contemplate it but yourself, Gandalf, and Carl's followers and apologists, really are the perpetually outraged that you seem to think anybody not agreeing with you all are.

Think about it. You are all not only perpetually outraged, but you actually actively seek out and provoke people in order to justify that outrage. I am not saying you are angry or off your head or mentally ill or constantly walking around with a chip on your shoulder but yourself and Gaydalf do repeatedly start threads expressing that outrage. The way you have framed the entire 'Rape Joke' situation is instructive too. Carl or Tarragon or whatever his name is, at this point in time is most certainly not an elected politician. Everything does not come down to a popularity contest and the very same contempt you are and have constantly and repeatedly show the British electorate with your eagerness to see American interests, and those of the deep state and corporate elites served by fermenting and encouraging violence, and the breakdown of order, to satisfy some weird desire to undo decades of peace and cooperation between Britain and Europe is an expression of that false outrage. Think again about why yourself and Gandalf, neither of whom live or will be affected by Brexit are the biggest advocates of the most extreme and unreasonable version of it.

You are indeed both addicted to outrage. Carl obviously is. It is his modus operandi. Do you not think it strange when you and Carl speak about Free speech it is in a way that cheapens and makes the concept worthless? What you are both suggesting is not free speech but the opposite. The shutting down of people's right to reply. Not only that but you are telling people what they should feel. You are not the one being told by people that they hope you are killed by someone pouring molten lava in your vagina. So it is quite hilarious when you then suggest that not only was Carl trolling and encouraging his followers to pile it on, but that you are supposedly in a position to tell someone what 'The correct response ' is. What it really is about is not taking personal responsibility. Carl refuses to apologise and so he has no choice but to pretend that somehow he is the victim in all this.

Carl is quite clearly a cunt and deserves a lot more than a cup of milkshake over his head but in order to twist reality and make him the victim you have to lie and use the same tactics as the perpetually outraged people you think you are so different from do.

The kind of Brexit you want would be incredibly harmful to the average working man and woman in the UK. Gandalf wants this, as does Farage and his sponsor the insurance tycoon Banks. Those pushing for a WTO Brexit want to kneecap Britain. Just like the clueless Americans who supplied money and arms to the IRA and then pretended to be anti-terrorist, you are making the mistake of thinking that to remove the yoke of tyranny you need to use the same violence that extremists the world over from rabid Islamists to Aerican business men intent on maintaining wars in the middle east in the name of profit.

Go and have a look in the Brexit thread and tell me that Yanis idea is not more rational and just.

Tommy is supported (financially and organizationally) by the American Daniel Pipes and The Middle East Forum. I said this years ago but it is worth repeating. This is what Pipes said about Syria

'Western powers should guide enemies to stalemate by helping whichever side is losing, so as to prolong the conflict'


So when you lie and insist that to be antifascist one must be unemployed and not useful in the workforce you let slip your true feelings about expressions of democracy. It is not shocking coming from AL but for you to suggest that anybody who marches against a government bent on removing their human rights and heritage, must have nothing better to do, is a bit worrying.

I hope you can see one day that Tommy does not speak for the majority of Brits, not even the majority of pro-Brexit voters and the Benjamin is a nasty divisive ignorant fool not worthy of a fraction of a fart.

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Because in this very thread you insisted that any protesting must be a lazy bastard with too much time on their hands. For a change you said it out front instead of in PMs but either way it is a stupid and condescending argument to assume that anyone using their democratic right to protest in England must be a scrounger. You repeatedly mentioned me in it accusing me of being a liar etc. I don't give a shite what you think Al but hopefully that clears things up.

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Thought I'd drop this in here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBgecf-rh8w

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Yep thugs come in all colours from all religions and now Tommy is a hero. Imagine that? Just what he needed :-\ right on cue

Look up Avi Yemini the ultra Orthodox Jew who posted this and his connections with the far right in Oz etc



https://www.ajds.org.au/2018/06/avi-...onsorts-nazis/

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I really do not want to offend you but I think it would be quite disingenuous to not disavow you of the many myths that make up a large part of your post. It may be incredibly difficult for you to ever contemplate it but yourself, Gandalf, and Carl's followers and apologists, really are the perpetually outraged that you seem to think anybody not agreeing with you all are.

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No worries, I'm not bothered...you have a different opinion. An opinion I'd like to understand how you arrive at, but nevertheless a different opinion. My attempts to understand will involve many questions some of which will be quite simple but do understand I do not wish to demean, I wish to understand the simple way you have gone from point A to point B if for nothing else my own edification

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Think about it. You are all not only perpetually outraged, but you actually actively seek out and provoke people in order to justify that outrage. I am not saying you are angry or off your head or mentally ill or constantly walking around with a chip on your shoulder but yourself and Gaydalf do repeatedly start threads expressing that outrage. The way you have framed the entire 'Rape Joke' situation is instructive too. Carl or Tarragon or whatever his name is, at this point in time is most certainly not an elected politician. Everything does not come down to a popularity contest and the very same contempt you are and have constantly and repeatedly show the British electorate with your eagerness to see American interests, and those of the deep state and corporate elites served by fermenting and encouraging violence, and the breakdown of order, to satisfy some weird desire to undo decades of peace and cooperation between Britain and Europe is an expression of that false outrage. Think again about why yourself and Gandalf, neither of whom live or will be affected by Brexit are the biggest advocates of the most extreme and unreasonable version of it.

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I suppose I can see this reasoning. I guess I would look outraged, but to whom? About what? Tommy Robinson and Carl Benjamin are called "fascists" why? What views do they espouse that are actually "fascist"? Do you see 0 patriotism in them? Carl Benjamin is focused on free speech, I can't think of 1 single solitary fascist that would have approved of that stance. Tommy is focused mainly on the rapidly changing culture in England due to mass immigration. Is the culture not rapidly changing? Is there not massive immigration? If all cultures ARE equal and beautiful and brilliant then what of the English culture? Is that not worth protecting? Carl Benjamin isn't a politician elected or otherwise, he'd tell you himself he'd have much rather continued on his life playing videogames but he was singled out by the leftist mob and well you sow the wind you reap the whirlwind :dontknow:

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You are indeed both addicted to outrage. Carl obviously is. It is his modus operandi. Do you not think it strange when you and Carl speak about Free speech it is in a way that cheapens and makes the concept worthless? What you are both suggesting is not free speech but the opposite. The shutting down of people's right to reply. Not only that but you are telling people what they should feel. You are not the one being told by people that they hope you are killed by someone pouring molten lava in your vagina. So it is quite hilarious when you then suggest that not only was Carl trolling and encouraging his followers to pile it on, but that you are supposedly in a position to tell someone what 'The correct response ' is. What it really is about is not taking personal responsibility. Carl refuses to apologise and so he has no choice but to pretend that somehow he is the victim in all this.

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How so? Provide specifics on how either I or Carl have cheapened the entire concept of free speech. It's quite the accusation to make. Shutting down the right to reply uh what? Who is doing that? How are they doing it? I read that and I'm sorry I don't wish to offend, but it reads like classic projection because it's exactly what Antifa do. I get that Antifa have christened themselves "Anti-Fascist" but they are that in name only, their actions are the actions of a crazed mob. I've suggested better ways to interact with people like Carl because how Jess Philips and the BBC have handled themselves thus far is quite bad when it comes to optics and yes optics do matter. I've not told people how they should feel and even if I did I can't force people to feel feelings can I? I'm of the belief it's rather pointless to weep in the streets about certain things, but hey if they want to do that they are free to do that. You don't think vile things have ever been said to me? You don't think minority conservatives or minorities supporting Brexit don't catch the absolute worst hatred?

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Carl is quite clearly a cunt and deserves a lot more than a cup of milkshake over his head but in order to twist reality and make him the victim you have to lie and use the same tactics as the perpetually outraged people you think you are so different from do.

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What makes him a cunt? What has he done specifically to draw your ire? What have I lied about? What has he lied about? I'm searching my mind to figure this out. Do I use the same tactics?

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The kind of Brexit you want would be incredibly harmful to the average working man and woman in the UK. Gandalf wants this, as does Farage and his sponsor the insurance tycoon Banks. Those pushing for a WTO Brexit want to kneecap Britain. Just like the clueless Americans who supplied money and arms to the IRA and then pretended to be anti-terrorist, you are making the mistake of thinking that to remove the yoke of tyranny you need to use the same violence that extremists the world over from rabid Islamists to Aerican business men intent on maintaining wars in the middle east in the name of profit.

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The people voted for Brexit. That is the crux of my stance, how Brexit is ultimately achieved is up for debate but Brexit should be delivered OR the new reality is that you live in a dictatorship where the vote, the voice of the people has been silenced. It's one or the other it cannot be both.

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Go and have a look in the Brexit thread and tell me that Yanis idea is not more rational and just.

Tommy is supported (financially and organizationally) by the American Daniel Pipes and The Middle East Forum. I said this years ago but it is worth repeating. This is what Pipes said about Syria

'Western powers should guide enemies to stalemate by helping whichever side is losing, so as to prolong the conflict'


So when you lie and insist that to be antifascist one must be unemployed and not useful in the workforce you let slip your true feelings about expressions of democracy. It is not shocking coming from AL but for you to suggest that anybody who marches against a government bent on removing their human rights and heritage, must have nothing better to do, is a bit worrying.

I hope you can see one day that Tommy does not speak for the majority of Brits, not even the majority of pro-Brexit voters and the Benjamin is a nasty divisive ignorant fool not worthy of a fraction of a fart.

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Oh no sir, I don't INSIST that one has to be unemployed to be Antifascist....but Antifa DO use and I mean USE the homeless, runaways etc as part of their violent mobs. It happened during the occupy Wall Street demonstrations and continues to this day. Antifa will pay agitators to rise up against "the man" they are a political army and I say army in the literal sense. If Carl Benjamin is so divisive then I guess you've precious little to worry about him becoming popular then. I don't care if Tommy speaks for the majority of Brexit voters, Brexit is a PART of what Tommy supports not the total.

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Originally Posted by Batman

Thought I'd drop this in here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBgecf-rh8w

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Yep thugs come in all colours from all religions and now Tommy is a hero. Imagine that? Just what he needed :-\ right on cue

Look up Avi Yemini the ultra Orthodox Jew who posted this and his connections with the far right in Oz etc



https://www.ajds.org.au/2018/06/avi-...onsorts-nazis/

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That link lists Milo Yiannopolis as a neo-Nazi because Richard Spencer was nearby Milo and Nazi saluted him....not sure if Avi was actually present when that occurred so that seems a bit weak to me, but I'm by no means dismissing your link's assertion that Avi Yemeni SuperJew is also a secret Nazi/Neo-Nazi supporter because why wouldn't he be?

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Well the Sargon of Akkad channel has 957K+ subscribers and his secondary channel The Thinkery has 413K+ subscribers of which I'm sure there is much overlap. The entire Jess Phillips deal and the disingenuous nature in which the media have covered it looks extraordinarily bad if you actually know anything about how things went down.


Jess Phillips' initial response to the comment was nothing, she wasn't bothered AT ALL (even by her own admission) to double back and now claim offense from the offset looks a bit like simulation at this point and is surely a sign of her falling in the polls.


The BBC just look like absolute partisan idiots. It doesn't take much time to dig into this issue and understand everything about it. You wonder "How can the OK hand sign be turned into a white supremacy symbol?" and this is no different. Carl Benjamin pulls a typical trolling technique in order to get attention, the mob of the perpetually outraged takes the bait (because ALWAYS) and then Carl Benjamin gets a platform in the minds of those folks and hopefully he sets a few free with calm reasoned logic....but I suppose that will be deemed racist any day now as well.



All Jess Phillips, all the BBC had to do in order to NOT "feed the troll" was to take the comment for what it literally was and then no power is given to Carl Benjamin, his words have no weight, and he doesn't give a political push to UKIP. If someone tells you "I wouldn't even rape you".....the correct response is to say either nothing at all or comment on how weird of a thing it is to say and appreciate the fact that physical violence and sexual assault would NOT be visited upon you by that person instead of twisting the words to stay as the victim.



Carl is seemingly doing quite well in his tour. He's certainly seemed to catch everyone else flatfooted and people are not indifferent to him which bodes quite well for his numbers. Meanwhile you've got members of other political parties saying it's "totalitarianism" to follow through on Brexit.....WOW...that should have people violently up in arms, your vote as the people (whether you individually voted Brexit or Remain) has been dismissed by the powers that be, that can't feel good. I mean sure I've disliked votes on Obamacare and the like, but votes matter and when the government refuses action on votes that have been held that's leading down the road of totalitarianism meaning the government decides on it's own even if it's against the will of the people....scary road that road.

There should be nonstop marches and protest in favor of Brexit, but governments always seem less likely to divert course when the people they're impacting are busy working their jobs and providing for their families. The Antifa types are always unemployed, in school, or not useful at all in the workforce ergo they have all the time in the world to protest and cause a ruckus and the government will bend the knee to those assholes. It has to be very demoralizing.

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I really do not want to offend you but I think it would be quite disingenuous to not disavow you of the many myths that make up a large part of your post. It may be incredibly difficult for you to ever contemplate it but yourself, Gandalf, and Carl's followers and apologists, really are the perpetually outraged that you seem to think anybody not agreeing with you all are.

Think about it. You are all not only perpetually outraged, but you actually actively seek out and provoke people in order to justify that outrage. I am not saying you are angry or off your head or mentally ill or constantly walking around with a chip on your shoulder but yourself and Gaydalf do repeatedly start threads expressing that outrage. The way you have framed the entire 'Rape Joke' situation is instructive too. Carl or Tarragon or whatever his name is, at this point in time is most certainly not an elected politician. Everything does not come down to a popularity contest and the very same contempt you are and have constantly and repeatedly show the British electorate with your eagerness to see American interests, and those of the deep state and corporate elites served by fermenting and encouraging violence, and the breakdown of order, to satisfy some weird desire to undo decades of peace and cooperation between Britain and Europe is an expression of that false outrage. Think again about why yourself and Gandalf, neither of whom live or will be affected by Brexit are the biggest advocates of the most extreme and unreasonable version of it.

You are indeed both addicted to outrage. Carl obviously is. It is his modus operandi. Do you not think it strange when you and Carl speak about Free speech it is in a way that cheapens and makes the concept worthless? What you are both suggesting is not free speech but the opposite. The shutting down of people's right to reply. Not only that but you are telling people what they should feel. You are not the one being told by people that they hope you are killed by someone pouring molten lava in your vagina. So it is quite hilarious when you then suggest that not only was Carl trolling and encouraging his followers to pile it on, but that you are supposedly in a position to tell someone what 'The correct response ' is. What it really is about is not taking personal responsibility. Carl refuses to apologise and so he has no choice but to pretend that somehow he is the victim in all this.

Carl is quite clearly a cunt and deserves a lot more than a cup of milkshake over his head but in order to twist reality and make him the victim you have to lie and use the same tactics as the perpetually outraged people you think you are so different from do.

The kind of Brexit you want would be incredibly harmful to the average working man and woman in the UK. Gandalf wants this, as does Farage and his sponsor the insurance tycoon Banks. Those pushing for a WTO Brexit want to kneecap Britain. Just like the clueless Americans who supplied money and arms to the IRA and then pretended to be anti-terrorist, you are making the mistake of thinking that to remove the yoke of tyranny you need to use the same violence that extremists the world over from rabid Islamists to Aerican business men intent on maintaining wars in the middle east in the name of profit.

Go and have a look in the Brexit thread and tell me that Yanis idea is not more rational and just.

Tommy is supported (financially and organizationally) by the American Daniel Pipes and The Middle East Forum. I said this years ago but it is worth repeating. This is what Pipes said about Syria

'Western powers should guide enemies to stalemate by helping whichever side is losing, so as to prolong the conflict'


So when you lie and insist that to be antifascist one must be unemployed and not useful in the workforce you let slip your true feelings about expressions of democracy. It is not shocking coming from AL but for you to suggest that anybody who marches against a government bent on removing their human rights and heritage, must have nothing better to do, is a bit worrying.

I hope you can see one day that Tommy does not speak for the majority of Brits, not even the majority of pro-Brexit voters and the Benjamin is a nasty divisive ignorant fool not worthy of a fraction of a fart.

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I was mentioned why ?

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Because in this very thread you insisted that any protesting must be a lazy bastard with too much time on their hands. For a change you said it out front instead of in PMs but either way it is a stupid and condescending argument to assume that anyone using their democratic right to protest in England must be a scrounger. You repeatedly mentioned me in it accusing me of being a liar etc. I don't give a shite what you think Al but hopefully that clears things up.

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Firstly people who march against cuts in benefits are usually people who are affected by cuts in benefits, or why would they give a shit. Most people went to work the day of the protests.
Secondly as plenty have pointed out here over the last 7 years or so your story has more holes than a sieve.
I understand you don't like Robinson you have made that clear, I personally find Corbyn and his circus sidekick fucking repulsive.
I also consider all members of the main parties fucking traitors.
Hope that clears things up.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

Well the Sargon of Akkad channel has 957K+ subscribers and his secondary channel The Thinkery has 413K+ subscribers of which I'm sure there is much overlap. The entire Jess Phillips deal and the disingenuous nature in which the media have covered it looks extraordinarily bad if you actually know anything about how things went down.


Jess Phillips' initial response to the comment was nothing, she wasn't bothered AT ALL (even by her own admission) to double back and now claim offense from the offset looks a bit like simulation at this point and is surely a sign of her falling in the polls.


The BBC just look like absolute partisan idiots. It doesn't take much time to dig into this issue and understand everything about it. You wonder "How can the OK hand sign be turned into a white supremacy symbol?" and this is no different. Carl Benjamin pulls a typical trolling technique in order to get attention, the mob of the perpetually outraged takes the bait (because ALWAYS) and then Carl Benjamin gets a platform in the minds of those folks and hopefully he sets a few free with calm reasoned logic....but I suppose that will be deemed racist any day now as well.



All Jess Phillips, all the BBC had to do in order to NOT "feed the troll" was to take the comment for what it literally was and then no power is given to Carl Benjamin, his words have no weight, and he doesn't give a political push to UKIP. If someone tells you "I wouldn't even rape you".....the correct response is to say either nothing at all or comment on how weird of a thing it is to say and appreciate the fact that physical violence and sexual assault would NOT be visited upon you by that person instead of twisting the words to stay as the victim.



Carl is seemingly doing quite well in his tour. He's certainly seemed to catch everyone else flatfooted and people are not indifferent to him which bodes quite well for his numbers. Meanwhile you've got members of other political parties saying it's "totalitarianism" to follow through on Brexit.....WOW...that should have people violently up in arms, your vote as the people (whether you individually voted Brexit or Remain) has been dismissed by the powers that be, that can't feel good. I mean sure I've disliked votes on Obamacare and the like, but votes matter and when the government refuses action on votes that have been held that's leading down the road of totalitarianism meaning the government decides on it's own even if it's against the will of the people....scary road that road.

There should be nonstop marches and protest in favor of Brexit, but governments always seem less likely to divert course when the people they're impacting are busy working their jobs and providing for their families. The Antifa types are always unemployed, in school, or not useful at all in the workforce ergo they have all the time in the world to protest and cause a ruckus and the government will bend the knee to those assholes. It has to be very demoralizing.

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I really do not want to offend you but I think it would be quite disingenuous to not disavow you of the many myths that make up a large part of your post. It may be incredibly difficult for you to ever contemplate it but yourself, Gandalf, and Carl's followers and apologists, really are the perpetually outraged that you seem to think anybody not agreeing with you all are.

Think about it. You are all not only perpetually outraged, but you actually actively seek out and provoke people in order to justify that outrage. I am not saying you are angry or off your head or mentally ill or constantly walking around with a chip on your shoulder but yourself and Gaydalf do repeatedly start threads expressing that outrage. The way you have framed the entire 'Rape Joke' situation is instructive too. Carl or Tarragon or whatever his name is, at this point in time is most certainly not an elected politician. Everything does not come down to a popularity contest and the very same contempt you are and have constantly and repeatedly show the British electorate with your eagerness to see American interests, and those of the deep state and corporate elites served by fermenting and encouraging violence, and the breakdown of order, to satisfy some weird desire to undo decades of peace and cooperation between Britain and Europe is an expression of that false outrage. Think again about why yourself and Gandalf, neither of whom live or will be affected by Brexit are the biggest advocates of the most extreme and unreasonable version of it.

You are indeed both addicted to outrage. Carl obviously is. It is his modus operandi. Do you not think it strange when you and Carl speak about Free speech it is in a way that cheapens and makes the concept worthless? What you are both suggesting is not free speech but the opposite. The shutting down of people's right to reply. Not only that but you are telling people what they should feel. You are not the one being told by people that they hope you are killed by someone pouring molten lava in your vagina. So it is quite hilarious when you then suggest that not only was Carl trolling and encouraging his followers to pile it on, but that you are supposedly in a position to tell someone what 'The correct response ' is. What it really is about is not taking personal responsibility. Carl refuses to apologise and so he has no choice but to pretend that somehow he is the victim in all this.

Carl is quite clearly a cunt and deserves a lot more than a cup of milkshake over his head but in order to twist reality and make him the victim you have to lie and use the same tactics as the perpetually outraged people you think you are so different from do.

The kind of Brexit you want would be incredibly harmful to the average working man and woman in the UK. Gandalf wants this, as does Farage and his sponsor the insurance tycoon Banks. Those pushing for a WTO Brexit want to kneecap Britain. Just like the clueless Americans who supplied money and arms to the IRA and then pretended to be anti-terrorist, you are making the mistake of thinking that to remove the yoke of tyranny you need to use the same violence that extremists the world over from rabid Islamists to Aerican business men intent on maintaining wars in the middle east in the name of profit.

Go and have a look in the Brexit thread and tell me that Yanis idea is not more rational and just.

Tommy is supported (financially and organizationally) by the American Daniel Pipes and The Middle East Forum. I said this years ago but it is worth repeating. This is what Pipes said about Syria

'Western powers should guide enemies to stalemate by helping whichever side is losing, so as to prolong the conflict'


So when you lie and insist that to be antifascist one must be unemployed and not useful in the workforce you let slip your true feelings about expressions of democracy. It is not shocking coming from AL but for you to suggest that anybody who marches against a government bent on removing their human rights and heritage, must have nothing better to do, is a bit worrying.

I hope you can see one day that Tommy does not speak for the majority of Brits, not even the majority of pro-Brexit voters and the Benjamin is a nasty divisive ignorant fool not worthy of a fraction of a fart.

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Because in this very thread you insisted that any protesting must be a lazy bastard with too much time on their hands. For a change you said it out front instead of in PMs but either way it is a stupid and condescending argument to assume that anyone using their democratic right to protest in England must be a scrounger. You repeatedly mentioned me in it accusing me of being a liar etc. I don't give a shite what you think Al but hopefully that clears things up.

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Firstly people who march against cuts in benefits are usually people who are affected by cuts in benefits, or why would they give a shit. Most people went to work the day of the protests.
Secondly as plenty have pointed out here over the last 7 years or so your story has more holes than a sieve.
I understand you don't like Robinson you have made that clear, I personally find Corbyn and his circus sidekick fucking repulsive.
I also consider all members of the main parties fucking traitors.
Hope that clears things up.

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People give a shit about the way disabled people are treated often because they are not cunts. It is perfectly possible to demonstrate and campaign for the rights of others and this is why society has progressed beyond cavemen. If you only give a shit about yourself and not the care givers, your tribe is getting fucked right over pretty sharpish. It's not rocket science but it is one of the most important steps along the way. Empathy is an expression of intelligence not weakness.

Why would anyone make up stories for strangers on a forum? Who the fuck would want to impress you or anyone else here, andif they did do you not think that their lies would be considerably more glamorous than me telling you about my life?

Robinson and Corbyn are not so much chalk and cheese more milk and eggs.

Hope that gives you an itchy bollock. ;D

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No worries, I'm not bothered...you have a different opinion. An opinion I'd like to understand how you arrive at, but nevertheless a different opinion. My attempts to understand will involve many questions some of which will be quite simple but do understand I do not wish to demean, I wish to understand the simple way you have gone from point A to point B if for nothing else my own edification

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Think about it. You are all not only perpetually outraged, but you actually actively seek out and provoke people in order to justify that outrage. I am not saying you are angry or off your head or mentally ill or constantly walking around with a chip on your shoulder but yourself and Gaydalf do repeatedly start threads expressing that outrage. The way you have framed the entire 'Rape Joke' situation is instructive too. Carl or Tarragon or whatever his name is, at this point in time is most certainly not an elected politician. Everything does not come down to a popularity contest and the very same contempt you are and have constantly and repeatedly show the British electorate with your eagerness to see American interests, and those of the deep state and corporate elites served by fermenting and encouraging violence, and the breakdown of order, to satisfy some weird desire to undo decades of peace and cooperation between Britain and Europe is an expression of that false outrage. Think again about why yourself and Gandalf, neither of whom live or will be affected by Brexit are the biggest advocates of the most extreme and unreasonable version of it.

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I suppose I can see this reasoning. I guess I would look outraged, but to whom? About what? Tommy Robinson and Carl Benjamin are called "fascists" why? What views do they espouse that are actually "fascist"? Do you see 0 patriotism in them? Carl Benjamin is focused on free speech, I can't think of 1 single solitary fascist that would have approved of that stance. Tommy is focused mainly on the rapidly changing culture in England due to mass immigration. Is the culture not rapidly changing? Is there not massive immigration? If all cultures ARE equal and beautiful and brilliant then what of the English culture? Is that not worth protecting? Carl Benjamin isn't a politician elected or otherwise, he'd tell you himself he'd have much rather continued on his life playing videogames but he was singled out by the leftist mob and well you sow the wind you reap the whirlwind :dontknow:

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You are indeed both addicted to outrage. Carl obviously is. It is his modus operandi. Do you not think it strange when you and Carl speak about Free speech it is in a way that cheapens and makes the concept worthless? What you are both suggesting is not free speech but the opposite. The shutting down of people's right to reply. Not only that but you are telling people what they should feel. You are not the one being told by people that they hope you are killed by someone pouring molten lava in your vagina. So it is quite hilarious when you then suggest that not only was Carl trolling and encouraging his followers to pile it on, but that you are supposedly in a position to tell someone what 'The correct response ' is. What it really is about is not taking personal responsibility. Carl refuses to apologise and so he has no choice but to pretend that somehow he is the victim in all this.

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How so? Provide specifics on how either I or Carl have cheapened the entire concept of free speech. It's quite the accusation to make. Shutting down the right to reply uh what? Who is doing that? How are they doing it? I read that and I'm sorry I don't wish to offend, but it reads like classic projection because it's exactly what Antifa do. I get that Antifa have christened themselves "Anti-Fascist" but they are that in name only, their actions are the actions of a crazed mob. I've suggested better ways to interact with people like Carl because how Jess Philips and the BBC have handled themselves thus far is quite bad when it comes to optics and yes optics do matter. I've not told people how they should feel and even if I did I can't force people to feel feelings can I? I'm of the belief it's rather pointless to weep in the streets about certain things, but hey if they want to do that they are free to do that. You don't think vile things have ever been said to me? You don't think minority conservatives or minorities supporting Brexit don't catch the absolute worst hatred?

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What makes him a cunt? What has he done specifically to draw your ire? What have I lied about? What has he lied about? I'm searching my mind to figure this out. Do I use the same tactics?

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The kind of Brexit you want would be incredibly harmful to the average working man and woman in the UK. Gandalf wants this, as does Farage and his sponsor the insurance tycoon Banks. Those pushing for a WTO Brexit want to kneecap Britain. Just like the clueless Americans who supplied money and arms to the IRA and then pretended to be anti-terrorist, you are making the mistake of thinking that to remove the yoke of tyranny you need to use the same violence that extremists the world over from rabid Islamists to Aerican business men intent on maintaining wars in the middle east in the name of profit.

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The people voted for Brexit. That is the crux of my stance, how Brexit is ultimately achieved is up for debate but Brexit should be delivered OR the new reality is that you live in a dictatorship where the vote, the voice of the people has been silenced. It's one or the other it cannot be both.

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Go and have a look in the Brexit thread and tell me that Yanis idea is not more rational and just.

Tommy is supported (financially and organizationally) by the American Daniel Pipes and The Middle East Forum. I said this years ago but it is worth repeating. This is what Pipes said about Syria

'Western powers should guide enemies to stalemate by helping whichever side is losing, so as to prolong the conflict'


So when you lie and insist that to be antifascist one must be unemployed and not useful in the workforce you let slip your true feelings about expressions of democracy. It is not shocking coming from AL but for you to suggest that anybody who marches against a government bent on removing their human rights and heritage, must have nothing better to do, is a bit worrying.

I hope you can see one day that Tommy does not speak for the majority of Brits, not even the majority of pro-Brexit voters and the Benjamin is a nasty divisive ignorant fool not worthy of a fraction of a fart.

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Oh no sir, I don't INSIST that one has to be unemployed to be Antifascist....but Antifa DO use and I mean USE the homeless, runaways etc as part of their violent mobs. It happened during the occupy Wall Street demonstrations and continues to this day. Antifa will pay agitators to rise up against "the man" they are a political army and I say army in the literal sense. If Carl Benjamin is so divisive then I guess you've precious little to worry about him becoming popular then. I don't care if Tommy speaks for the majority of Brexit voters, Brexit is a PART of what Tommy supports not the total.

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Thank you for your courteous response. I will get back with a full answer. Am in the middle of a big job right now...and no not on the khazzi ;D

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Well the Sargon of Akkad channel has 957K+ subscribers and his secondary channel The Thinkery has 413K+ subscribers of which I'm sure there is much overlap. The entire Jess Phillips deal and the disingenuous nature in which the media have covered it looks extraordinarily bad if you actually know anything about how things went down.


Jess Phillips' initial response to the comment was nothing, she wasn't bothered AT ALL (even by her own admission) to double back and now claim offense from the offset looks a bit like simulation at this point and is surely a sign of her falling in the polls.


The BBC just look like absolute partisan idiots. It doesn't take much time to dig into this issue and understand everything about it. You wonder "How can the OK hand sign be turned into a white supremacy symbol?" and this is no different. Carl Benjamin pulls a typical trolling technique in order to get attention, the mob of the perpetually outraged takes the bait (because ALWAYS) and then Carl Benjamin gets a platform in the minds of those folks and hopefully he sets a few free with calm reasoned logic....but I suppose that will be deemed racist any day now as well.



All Jess Phillips, all the BBC had to do in order to NOT "feed the troll" was to take the comment for what it literally was and then no power is given to Carl Benjamin, his words have no weight, and he doesn't give a political push to UKIP. If someone tells you "I wouldn't even rape you".....the correct response is to say either nothing at all or comment on how weird of a thing it is to say and appreciate the fact that physical violence and sexual assault would NOT be visited upon you by that person instead of twisting the words to stay as the victim.



Carl is seemingly doing quite well in his tour. He's certainly seemed to catch everyone else flatfooted and people are not indifferent to him which bodes quite well for his numbers. Meanwhile you've got members of other political parties saying it's "totalitarianism" to follow through on Brexit.....WOW...that should have people violently up in arms, your vote as the people (whether you individually voted Brexit or Remain) has been dismissed by the powers that be, that can't feel good. I mean sure I've disliked votes on Obamacare and the like, but votes matter and when the government refuses action on votes that have been held that's leading down the road of totalitarianism meaning the government decides on it's own even if it's against the will of the people....scary road that road.

There should be nonstop marches and protest in favor of Brexit, but governments always seem less likely to divert course when the people they're impacting are busy working their jobs and providing for their families. The Antifa types are always unemployed, in school, or not useful at all in the workforce ergo they have all the time in the world to protest and cause a ruckus and the government will bend the knee to those assholes. It has to be very demoralizing.

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I really do not want to offend you but I think it would be quite disingenuous to not disavow you of the many myths that make up a large part of your post. It may be incredibly difficult for you to ever contemplate it but yourself, Gandalf, and Carl's followers and apologists, really are the perpetually outraged that you seem to think anybody not agreeing with you all are.

Think about it. You are all not only perpetually outraged, but you actually actively seek out and provoke people in order to justify that outrage. I am not saying you are angry or off your head or mentally ill or constantly walking around with a chip on your shoulder but yourself and Gaydalf do repeatedly start threads expressing that outrage. The way you have framed the entire 'Rape Joke' situation is instructive too. Carl or Tarragon or whatever his name is, at this point in time is most certainly not an elected politician. Everything does not come down to a popularity contest and the very same contempt you are and have constantly and repeatedly show the British electorate with your eagerness to see American interests, and those of the deep state and corporate elites served by fermenting and encouraging violence, and the breakdown of order, to satisfy some weird desire to undo decades of peace and cooperation between Britain and Europe is an expression of that false outrage. Think again about why yourself and Gandalf, neither of whom live or will be affected by Brexit are the biggest advocates of the most extreme and unreasonable version of it.

You are indeed both addicted to outrage. Carl obviously is. It is his modus operandi. Do you not think it strange when you and Carl speak about Free speech it is in a way that cheapens and makes the concept worthless? What you are both suggesting is not free speech but the opposite. The shutting down of people's right to reply. Not only that but you are telling people what they should feel. You are not the one being told by people that they hope you are killed by someone pouring molten lava in your vagina. So it is quite hilarious when you then suggest that not only was Carl trolling and encouraging his followers to pile it on, but that you are supposedly in a position to tell someone what 'The correct response ' is. What it really is about is not taking personal responsibility. Carl refuses to apologise and so he has no choice but to pretend that somehow he is the victim in all this.

Carl is quite clearly a cunt and deserves a lot more than a cup of milkshake over his head but in order to twist reality and make him the victim you have to lie and use the same tactics as the perpetually outraged people you think you are so different from do.

The kind of Brexit you want would be incredibly harmful to the average working man and woman in the UK. Gandalf wants this, as does Farage and his sponsor the insurance tycoon Banks. Those pushing for a WTO Brexit want to kneecap Britain. Just like the clueless Americans who supplied money and arms to the IRA and then pretended to be anti-terrorist, you are making the mistake of thinking that to remove the yoke of tyranny you need to use the same violence that extremists the world over from rabid Islamists to Aerican business men intent on maintaining wars in the middle east in the name of profit.

Go and have a look in the Brexit thread and tell me that Yanis idea is not more rational and just.

Tommy is supported (financially and organizationally) by the American Daniel Pipes and The Middle East Forum. I said this years ago but it is worth repeating. This is what Pipes said about Syria

'Western powers should guide enemies to stalemate by helping whichever side is losing, so as to prolong the conflict'


So when you lie and insist that to be antifascist one must be unemployed and not useful in the workforce you let slip your true feelings about expressions of democracy. It is not shocking coming from AL but for you to suggest that anybody who marches against a government bent on removing their human rights and heritage, must have nothing better to do, is a bit worrying.

I hope you can see one day that Tommy does not speak for the majority of Brits, not even the majority of pro-Brexit voters and the Benjamin is a nasty divisive ignorant fool not worthy of a fraction of a fart.

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It is because he cannot help himself, Al. You will notice that he will post and post and reference several posters each time. People have commented on the peculiarities for years and having recently 'come out' it all makes more sense. He is someone who takes snaps for a living, but considers himself an expert who has debunked posters and experts like Noam Chomsky, Jordan Peterson, and Douglas Murray. The irony is that I get accused of having the superiority complex. The irony. But old Beanz cannot seem to see the absurdity as he himself is in his own bubble. He doesn't read the books and doesn't know how to read people, yet somehow knows it all despite not achieving all that much himself. Amazing chap.

My suspicion is that he has used the Mods as a shoulder to cry on by going 'Poor me with my mental condition and a disabled wife and how dare Brock Google my city?'. Thus we lose Beanflicker, Bilbo, Dia, Brock and more as old Beanz simply ran amok with no restraint. Then you have him saying that if he speaks to someone he will 'lose his job and family'. Well, I think some of this explains why he mentions you. He cannot control himself.

Well did this ever become an apt topic. And Carlgons video yesterday couldn't have been more prophetic. All the cheering and piss taking about Tommy and Carl being attacked, now Farage gets it and all of a sudden politicians are out in force to condemn it. They've shit themselves because they know it will inspire copycats from the other side, whilst the elitist-media and "middle-class hippies" are celebrating the Farage attack.

The double standards are ridiculous.

Beanz, regardless of the motives of the Robinson supporters and spin of the video, it clearly shows the coppers chaperoning the muslim mob. They're tooled up roaring allah akbar whilst screaming about "nobody offends their religion." If the "counter protesters" lived there, fair enough, but they came from another town.

When Tommy does the the paranoid rant - "the cops are out to get me" - it's hard to not think he may have a point.

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Well the Sargon of Akkad channel has 957K+ subscribers and his secondary channel The Thinkery has 413K+ subscribers of which I'm sure there is much overlap. The entire Jess Phillips deal and the disingenuous nature in which the media have covered it looks extraordinarily bad if you actually know anything about how things went down.


Jess Phillips' initial response to the comment was nothing, she wasn't bothered AT ALL (even by her own admission) to double back and now claim offense from the offset looks a bit like simulation at this point and is surely a sign of her falling in the polls.


The BBC just look like absolute partisan idiots. It doesn't take much time to dig into this issue and understand everything about it. You wonder "How can the OK hand sign be turned into a white supremacy symbol?" and this is no different. Carl Benjamin pulls a typical trolling technique in order to get attention, the mob of the perpetually outraged takes the bait (because ALWAYS) and then Carl Benjamin gets a platform in the minds of those folks and hopefully he sets a few free with calm reasoned logic....but I suppose that will be deemed racist any day now as well.



All Jess Phillips, all the BBC had to do in order to NOT "feed the troll" was to take the comment for what it literally was and then no power is given to Carl Benjamin, his words have no weight, and he doesn't give a political push to UKIP. If someone tells you "I wouldn't even rape you".....the correct response is to say either nothing at all or comment on how weird of a thing it is to say and appreciate the fact that physical violence and sexual assault would NOT be visited upon you by that person instead of twisting the words to stay as the victim.



Carl is seemingly doing quite well in his tour. He's certainly seemed to catch everyone else flatfooted and people are not indifferent to him which bodes quite well for his numbers. Meanwhile you've got members of other political parties saying it's "totalitarianism" to follow through on Brexit.....WOW...that should have people violently up in arms, your vote as the people (whether you individually voted Brexit or Remain) has been dismissed by the powers that be, that can't feel good. I mean sure I've disliked votes on Obamacare and the like, but votes matter and when the government refuses action on votes that have been held that's leading down the road of totalitarianism meaning the government decides on it's own even if it's against the will of the people....scary road that road.

There should be nonstop marches and protest in favor of Brexit, but governments always seem less likely to divert course when the people they're impacting are busy working their jobs and providing for their families. The Antifa types are always unemployed, in school, or not useful at all in the workforce ergo they have all the time in the world to protest and cause a ruckus and the government will bend the knee to those assholes. It has to be very demoralizing.

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I really do not want to offend you but I think it would be quite disingenuous to not disavow you of the many myths that make up a large part of your post. It may be incredibly difficult for you to ever contemplate it but yourself, Gandalf, and Carl's followers and apologists, really are the perpetually outraged that you seem to think anybody not agreeing with you all are.

Think about it. You are all not only perpetually outraged, but you actually actively seek out and provoke people in order to justify that outrage. I am not saying you are angry or off your head or mentally ill or constantly walking around with a chip on your shoulder but yourself and Gaydalf do repeatedly start threads expressing that outrage. The way you have framed the entire 'Rape Joke' situation is instructive too. Carl or Tarragon or whatever his name is, at this point in time is most certainly not an elected politician. Everything does not come down to a popularity contest and the very same contempt you are and have constantly and repeatedly show the British electorate with your eagerness to see American interests, and those of the deep state and corporate elites served by fermenting and encouraging violence, and the breakdown of order, to satisfy some weird desire to undo decades of peace and cooperation between Britain and Europe is an expression of that false outrage. Think again about why yourself and Gandalf, neither of whom live or will be affected by Brexit are the biggest advocates of the most extreme and unreasonable version of it.

You are indeed both addicted to outrage. Carl obviously is. It is his modus operandi. Do you not think it strange when you and Carl speak about Free speech it is in a way that cheapens and makes the concept worthless? What you are both suggesting is not free speech but the opposite. The shutting down of people's right to reply. Not only that but you are telling people what they should feel. You are not the one being told by people that they hope you are killed by someone pouring molten lava in your vagina. So it is quite hilarious when you then suggest that not only was Carl trolling and encouraging his followers to pile it on, but that you are supposedly in a position to tell someone what 'The correct response ' is. What it really is about is not taking personal responsibility. Carl refuses to apologise and so he has no choice but to pretend that somehow he is the victim in all this.

Carl is quite clearly a cunt and deserves a lot more than a cup of milkshake over his head but in order to twist reality and make him the victim you have to lie and use the same tactics as the perpetually outraged people you think you are so different from do.

The kind of Brexit you want would be incredibly harmful to the average working man and woman in the UK. Gandalf wants this, as does Farage and his sponsor the insurance tycoon Banks. Those pushing for a WTO Brexit want to kneecap Britain. Just like the clueless Americans who supplied money and arms to the IRA and then pretended to be anti-terrorist, you are making the mistake of thinking that to remove the yoke of tyranny you need to use the same violence that extremists the world over from rabid Islamists to Aerican business men intent on maintaining wars in the middle east in the name of profit.

Go and have a look in the Brexit thread and tell me that Yanis idea is not more rational and just.

Tommy is supported (financially and organizationally) by the American Daniel Pipes and The Middle East Forum. I said this years ago but it is worth repeating. This is what Pipes said about Syria

'Western powers should guide enemies to stalemate by helping whichever side is losing, so as to prolong the conflict'


So when you lie and insist that to be antifascist one must be unemployed and not useful in the workforce you let slip your true feelings about expressions of democracy. It is not shocking coming from AL but for you to suggest that anybody who marches against a government bent on removing their human rights and heritage, must have nothing better to do, is a bit worrying.

I hope you can see one day that Tommy does not speak for the majority of Brits, not even the majority of pro-Brexit voters and the Benjamin is a nasty divisive ignorant fool not worthy of a fraction of a fart.

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Because in this very thread you insisted that any protesting must be a lazy bastard with too much time on their hands. For a change you said it out front instead of in PMs but either way it is a stupid and condescending argument to assume that anyone using their democratic right to protest in England must be a scrounger. You repeatedly mentioned me in it accusing me of being a liar etc. I don't give a shite what you think Al but hopefully that clears things up.

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Firstly people who march against cuts in benefits are usually people who are affected by cuts in benefits, or why would they give a shit. Most people went to work the day of the protests.
Secondly as plenty have pointed out here over the last 7 years or so your story has more holes than a sieve.
I understand you don't like Robinson you have made that clear, I personally find Corbyn and his circus sidekick fucking repulsive.
I also consider all members of the main parties fucking traitors.
Hope that clears things up.

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People give a shit about the way disabled people are treated often because they are not cunts. It is perfectly possible to demonstrate and campaign for the rights of others and this is why society has progressed beyond cavemen. If you only give a shit about yourself and not the care givers, your tribe is getting fucked right over pretty sharpish. It's not rocket science but it is one of the most important steps along the way. Empathy is an expression of intelligence not weakness.

Why would anyone make up stories for strangers on a forum? Who the fuck would want to impress you or anyone else here, andif they did do you not think that their lies would be considerably more glamorous than me telling you about my life?

Robinson and Corbyn are not so much chalk and cheese more milk and eggs.

Hope that gives you an itchy bollock. ;D

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Who said anything about trying to impress anyone ?
My point is as other have pointed out your story just doesn't add up.

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Beanz, regardless of the motives of the Robinson supporters and spin of the video, it clearly shows the coppers chaperoning the muslim mob. They're tooled up roaring allah akbar whilst screaming about "nobody offends their religion." If the "counter protesters" lived there, fair enough, but they came from another town.

When Tommy does the the paranoid rant - "the cops are out to get me" - it's hard to not think he may have a point.

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I have never disputed this. Tommy has been on a tour of the UK and I can assure you, just like Carl Benjamin the local firms have all put calls out to make sure that their lads are there in force when they arrive too. Look it up for yourself if you don't believe me. Bold as brass on social media etc. When you buy into the bullshit and kid yourself into thinking only the 'elitist media and middle class hippies' are opposed to people like Farrage , Robinson and Benjamin you don't exactly sound very objective yourself.

Tommy made a rod for his own back and has always told his supporters that the victim status in great for him. When no cameras are present then yes punch and lay into any one protesting his presence but when the cameras are on make sure they play the victim card after provoking people much like Benjamin.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

Well the Sargon of Akkad channel has 957K+ subscribers and his secondary channel The Thinkery has 413K+ subscribers of which I'm sure there is much overlap. The entire Jess Phillips deal and the disingenuous nature in which the media have covered it looks extraordinarily bad if you actually know anything about how things went down.


Jess Phillips' initial response to the comment was nothing, she wasn't bothered AT ALL (even by her own admission) to double back and now claim offense from the offset looks a bit like simulation at this point and is surely a sign of her falling in the polls.


The BBC just look like absolute partisan idiots. It doesn't take much time to dig into this issue and understand everything about it. You wonder "How can the OK hand sign be turned into a white supremacy symbol?" and this is no different. Carl Benjamin pulls a typical trolling technique in order to get attention, the mob of the perpetually outraged takes the bait (because ALWAYS) and then Carl Benjamin gets a platform in the minds of those folks and hopefully he sets a few free with calm reasoned logic....but I suppose that will be deemed racist any day now as well.



All Jess Phillips, all the BBC had to do in order to NOT "feed the troll" was to take the comment for what it literally was and then no power is given to Carl Benjamin, his words have no weight, and he doesn't give a political push to UKIP. If someone tells you "I wouldn't even rape you".....the correct response is to say either nothing at all or comment on how weird of a thing it is to say and appreciate the fact that physical violence and sexual assault would NOT be visited upon you by that person instead of twisting the words to stay as the victim.



Carl is seemingly doing quite well in his tour. He's certainly seemed to catch everyone else flatfooted and people are not indifferent to him which bodes quite well for his numbers. Meanwhile you've got members of other political parties saying it's "totalitarianism" to follow through on Brexit.....WOW...that should have people violently up in arms, your vote as the people (whether you individually voted Brexit or Remain) has been dismissed by the powers that be, that can't feel good. I mean sure I've disliked votes on Obamacare and the like, but votes matter and when the government refuses action on votes that have been held that's leading down the road of totalitarianism meaning the government decides on it's own even if it's against the will of the people....scary road that road.

There should be nonstop marches and protest in favor of Brexit, but governments always seem less likely to divert course when the people they're impacting are busy working their jobs and providing for their families. The Antifa types are always unemployed, in school, or not useful at all in the workforce ergo they have all the time in the world to protest and cause a ruckus and the government will bend the knee to those assholes. It has to be very demoralizing.

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I really do not want to offend you but I think it would be quite disingenuous to not disavow you of the many myths that make up a large part of your post. It may be incredibly difficult for you to ever contemplate it but yourself, Gandalf, and Carl's followers and apologists, really are the perpetually outraged that you seem to think anybody not agreeing with you all are.

Think about it. You are all not only perpetually outraged, but you actually actively seek out and provoke people in order to justify that outrage. I am not saying you are angry or off your head or mentally ill or constantly walking around with a chip on your shoulder but yourself and Gaydalf do repeatedly start threads expressing that outrage. The way you have framed the entire 'Rape Joke' situation is instructive too. Carl or Tarragon or whatever his name is, at this point in time is most certainly not an elected politician. Everything does not come down to a popularity contest and the very same contempt you are and have constantly and repeatedly show the British electorate with your eagerness to see American interests, and those of the deep state and corporate elites served by fermenting and encouraging violence, and the breakdown of order, to satisfy some weird desire to undo decades of peace and cooperation between Britain and Europe is an expression of that false outrage. Think again about why yourself and Gandalf, neither of whom live or will be affected by Brexit are the biggest advocates of the most extreme and unreasonable version of it.

You are indeed both addicted to outrage. Carl obviously is. It is his modus operandi. Do you not think it strange when you and Carl speak about Free speech it is in a way that cheapens and makes the concept worthless? What you are both suggesting is not free speech but the opposite. The shutting down of people's right to reply. Not only that but you are telling people what they should feel. You are not the one being told by people that they hope you are killed by someone pouring molten lava in your vagina. So it is quite hilarious when you then suggest that not only was Carl trolling and encouraging his followers to pile it on, but that you are supposedly in a position to tell someone what 'The correct response ' is. What it really is about is not taking personal responsibility. Carl refuses to apologise and so he has no choice but to pretend that somehow he is the victim in all this.

Carl is quite clearly a cunt and deserves a lot more than a cup of milkshake over his head but in order to twist reality and make him the victim you have to lie and use the same tactics as the perpetually outraged people you think you are so different from do.

The kind of Brexit you want would be incredibly harmful to the average working man and woman in the UK. Gandalf wants this, as does Farage and his sponsor the insurance tycoon Banks. Those pushing for a WTO Brexit want to kneecap Britain. Just like the clueless Americans who supplied money and arms to the IRA and then pretended to be anti-terrorist, you are making the mistake of thinking that to remove the yoke of tyranny you need to use the same violence that extremists the world over from rabid Islamists to Aerican business men intent on maintaining wars in the middle east in the name of profit.

Go and have a look in the Brexit thread and tell me that Yanis idea is not more rational and just.

Tommy is supported (financially and organizationally) by the American Daniel Pipes and The Middle East Forum. I said this years ago but it is worth repeating. This is what Pipes said about Syria

'Western powers should guide enemies to stalemate by helping whichever side is losing, so as to prolong the conflict'


So when you lie and insist that to be antifascist one must be unemployed and not useful in the workforce you let slip your true feelings about expressions of democracy. It is not shocking coming from AL but for you to suggest that anybody who marches against a government bent on removing their human rights and heritage, must have nothing better to do, is a bit worrying.

I hope you can see one day that Tommy does not speak for the majority of Brits, not even the majority of pro-Brexit voters and the Benjamin is a nasty divisive ignorant fool not worthy of a fraction of a fart.

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I was mentioned why ?

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Because in this very thread you insisted that any protesting must be a lazy bastard with too much time on their hands. For a change you said it out front instead of in PMs but either way it is a stupid and condescending argument to assume that anyone using their democratic right to protest in England must be a scrounger. You repeatedly mentioned me in it accusing me of being a liar etc. I don't give a shite what you think Al but hopefully that clears things up.

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Firstly people who march against cuts in benefits are usually people who are affected by cuts in benefits, or why would they give a shit. Most people went to work the day of the protests.
Secondly as plenty have pointed out here over the last 7 years or so your story has more holes than a sieve.
I understand you don't like Robinson you have made that clear, I personally find Corbyn and his circus sidekick fucking repulsive.
I also consider all members of the main parties fucking traitors.
Hope that clears things up.

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People give a shit about the way disabled people are treated often because they are not cunts. It is perfectly possible to demonstrate and campaign for the rights of others and this is why society has progressed beyond cavemen. If you only give a shit about yourself and not the care givers, your tribe is getting fucked right over pretty sharpish. It's not rocket science but it is one of the most important steps along the way. Empathy is an expression of intelligence not weakness.

Why would anyone make up stories for strangers on a forum? Who the fuck would want to impress you or anyone else here, andif they did do you not think that their lies would be considerably more glamorous than me telling you about my life?

Robinson and Corbyn are not so much chalk and cheese more milk and eggs.

Hope that gives you an itchy bollock. ;D

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Who said anything about trying to impress anyone ?
My point is as other have pointed out your story just doesn't add up.

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Stop bullshitting then Al. You are the one telling everyone i said i was some big businessman which is not the case at all. You would not understand because you make the assumption like Gandalf does that everyone is like him.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

Well the Sargon of Akkad channel has 957K+ subscribers and his secondary channel The Thinkery has 413K+ subscribers of which I'm sure there is much overlap. The entire Jess Phillips deal and the disingenuous nature in which the media have covered it looks extraordinarily bad if you actually know anything about how things went down.


Jess Phillips' initial response to the comment was nothing, she wasn't bothered AT ALL (even by her own admission) to double back and now claim offense from the offset looks a bit like simulation at this point and is surely a sign of her falling in the polls.


The BBC just look like absolute partisan idiots. It doesn't take much time to dig into this issue and understand everything about it. You wonder "How can the OK hand sign be turned into a white supremacy symbol?" and this is no different. Carl Benjamin pulls a typical trolling technique in order to get attention, the mob of the perpetually outraged takes the bait (because ALWAYS) and then Carl Benjamin gets a platform in the minds of those folks and hopefully he sets a few free with calm reasoned logic....but I suppose that will be deemed racist any day now as well.



All Jess Phillips, all the BBC had to do in order to NOT "feed the troll" was to take the comment for what it literally was and then no power is given to Carl Benjamin, his words have no weight, and he doesn't give a political push to UKIP. If someone tells you "I wouldn't even rape you".....the correct response is to say either nothing at all or comment on how weird of a thing it is to say and appreciate the fact that physical violence and sexual assault would NOT be visited upon you by that person instead of twisting the words to stay as the victim.



Carl is seemingly doing quite well in his tour. He's certainly seemed to catch everyone else flatfooted and people are not indifferent to him which bodes quite well for his numbers. Meanwhile you've got members of other political parties saying it's "totalitarianism" to follow through on Brexit.....WOW...that should have people violently up in arms, your vote as the people (whether you individually voted Brexit or Remain) has been dismissed by the powers that be, that can't feel good. I mean sure I've disliked votes on Obamacare and the like, but votes matter and when the government refuses action on votes that have been held that's leading down the road of totalitarianism meaning the government decides on it's own even if it's against the will of the people....scary road that road.

There should be nonstop marches and protest in favor of Brexit, but governments always seem less likely to divert course when the people they're impacting are busy working their jobs and providing for their families. The Antifa types are always unemployed, in school, or not useful at all in the workforce ergo they have all the time in the world to protest and cause a ruckus and the government will bend the knee to those assholes. It has to be very demoralizing.

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I really do not want to offend you but I think it would be quite disingenuous to not disavow you of the many myths that make up a large part of your post. It may be incredibly difficult for you to ever contemplate it but yourself, Gandalf, and Carl's followers and apologists, really are the perpetually outraged that you seem to think anybody not agreeing with you all are.

Think about it. You are all not only perpetually outraged, but you actually actively seek out and provoke people in order to justify that outrage. I am not saying you are angry or off your head or mentally ill or constantly walking around with a chip on your shoulder but yourself and Gaydalf do repeatedly start threads expressing that outrage. The way you have framed the entire 'Rape Joke' situation is instructive too. Carl or Tarragon or whatever his name is, at this point in time is most certainly not an elected politician. Everything does not come down to a popularity contest and the very same contempt you are and have constantly and repeatedly show the British electorate with your eagerness to see American interests, and those of the deep state and corporate elites served by fermenting and encouraging violence, and the breakdown of order, to satisfy some weird desire to undo decades of peace and cooperation between Britain and Europe is an expression of that false outrage. Think again about why yourself and Gandalf, neither of whom live or will be affected by Brexit are the biggest advocates of the most extreme and unreasonable version of it.

You are indeed both addicted to outrage. Carl obviously is. It is his modus operandi. Do you not think it strange when you and Carl speak about Free speech it is in a way that cheapens and makes the concept worthless? What you are both suggesting is not free speech but the opposite. The shutting down of people's right to reply. Not only that but you are telling people what they should feel. You are not the one being told by people that they hope you are killed by someone pouring molten lava in your vagina. So it is quite hilarious when you then suggest that not only was Carl trolling and encouraging his followers to pile it on, but that you are supposedly in a position to tell someone what 'The correct response ' is. What it really is about is not taking personal responsibility. Carl refuses to apologise and so he has no choice but to pretend that somehow he is the victim in all this.

Carl is quite clearly a cunt and deserves a lot more than a cup of milkshake over his head but in order to twist reality and make him the victim you have to lie and use the same tactics as the perpetually outraged people you think you are so different from do.

The kind of Brexit you want would be incredibly harmful to the average working man and woman in the UK. Gandalf wants this, as does Farage and his sponsor the insurance tycoon Banks. Those pushing for a WTO Brexit want to kneecap Britain. Just like the clueless Americans who supplied money and arms to the IRA and then pretended to be anti-terrorist, you are making the mistake of thinking that to remove the yoke of tyranny you need to use the same violence that extremists the world over from rabid Islamists to Aerican business men intent on maintaining wars in the middle east in the name of profit.

Go and have a look in the Brexit thread and tell me that Yanis idea is not more rational and just.

Tommy is supported (financially and organizationally) by the American Daniel Pipes and The Middle East Forum. I said this years ago but it is worth repeating. This is what Pipes said about Syria

'Western powers should guide enemies to stalemate by helping whichever side is losing, so as to prolong the conflict'


So when you lie and insist that to be antifascist one must be unemployed and not useful in the workforce you let slip your true feelings about expressions of democracy. It is not shocking coming from AL but for you to suggest that anybody who marches against a government bent on removing their human rights and heritage, must have nothing better to do, is a bit worrying.

I hope you can see one day that Tommy does not speak for the majority of Brits, not even the majority of pro-Brexit voters and the Benjamin is a nasty divisive ignorant fool not worthy of a fraction of a fart.

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I was mentioned why ?

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Because in this very thread you insisted that any protesting must be a lazy bastard with too much time on their hands. For a change you said it out front instead of in PMs but either way it is a stupid and condescending argument to assume that anyone using their democratic right to protest in England must be a scrounger. You repeatedly mentioned me in it accusing me of being a liar etc. I don't give a shite what you think Al but hopefully that clears things up.

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Firstly people who march against cuts in benefits are usually people who are affected by cuts in benefits, or why would they give a shit. Most people went to work the day of the protests.
Secondly as plenty have pointed out here over the last 7 years or so your story has more holes than a sieve.
I understand you don't like Robinson you have made that clear, I personally find Corbyn and his circus sidekick fucking repulsive.
I also consider all members of the main parties fucking traitors.
Hope that clears things up.

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People give a shit about the way disabled people are treated often because they are not cunts. It is perfectly possible to demonstrate and campaign for the rights of others and this is why society has progressed beyond cavemen. If you only give a shit about yourself and not the care givers, your tribe is getting fucked right over pretty sharpish. It's not rocket science but it is one of the most important steps along the way. Empathy is an expression of intelligence not weakness.

Why would anyone make up stories for strangers on a forum? Who the fuck would want to impress you or anyone else here, andif they did do you not think that their lies would be considerably more glamorous than me telling you about my life?

Robinson and Corbyn are not so much chalk and cheese more milk and eggs.

Hope that gives you an itchy bollock. ;D

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Who said anything about trying to impress anyone ?
My point is as other have pointed out your story just doesn't add up.

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Stop bullshitting then Al. You are the one telling everyone i said i was some big businessman which is not the case at all. You would not understand because you make the assumption like Gandalf does that everyone is like him.

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Bullshit what have I said that's bullshit ?
Your inconsistences are there for all to see.

May to ask lawmakers to vote on a second Brexit referendum
http://news.trust.org/item/20190521151703-ksu54
LONDON, May 21 (Reuters) - British Prime Minister Theresa May said her government will include in her Withdrawal Agreement Bill a requirement for Members of Parliament (MPs) to vote on whether to hold another Brexit referendum.

"I recognise the genuine and sincere strength of feeling across the House on this important issue," May said. "The government will therefore include in the Withdrawal Agreement Bill at introduction a requirement to vote on whether to hold a second referendum.

"This must take place before the Withdrawal Agreement can be ratified," May told reporters. "And if the House of Commons were to vote for a referendum, it would be requiring the government to make provisions for such a referendum – including legislation if it wanted to ratify the Withdrawal Agreement."

She added: "So to those MPs who want a second referendum to confirm the deal - you need a deal and therefore Withdrawal Agreement Bill to make it happen. So let (the bill) have its Second Reading and then make your case to Parliament." (Reporting by William James; editing by Guy Faulconbridge)




.....sooooo the first referendum was a warm up vote or they're getting a "do over" or taking a mulligan or what :dontknow: