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Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
When will you highlight this post where I said I wanted you to die in your home? You said it was the final straw and you were leaving the forum. You also said you were ignoring posters. FAIL.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterI never said you had a problem with that, I just said I did not.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfDid I say I don't have a problem with that? I said I do not approve.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterNot had it, do not want it and do not want to spread it to vulnerable people but believe it exists. If you mean the person got in trouble by getting “told off” then I do not see a problem with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfA friend of mine knows someone who got into trouble for spreading it by breaking quarantine. He was even in a car with a new born baby. I do not approve.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSo you do not think it exists too?Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfHave you caught it too then?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterYou are in the minority here.Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
I am just asking if you have had it. None of us here has.
Nobody on this site seems to have had it. Nobody has tested positive for it, but I cited a case where I know of someone who did test positive. Not on here obviously and I don't know him myself.
Weird isn't it? Gladys and Wilma are falling over themselves in a real concerted effort to pretend that you want an argument in order to avoid showing any kind of solidarity, or admitting there is a common ground you may share. Blanket statements with which they cover everyone using nothing but arrogance and supposition and then never apply any of their own high and mighty standards to themselves.
May 15, 2020
Coronavirus update, United States
Infections: 1,482,961
Infections today: 26,813
Deaths: 88,474
Deaths today: 1,583
How many dead kids among them? And what is the average age of the dead and their physical condition? If the death rate of a kid is 0.04% and that of a 75 year old 25% then it kind of suggests something. For someone my age the mortality rate is 0.17%. Kind of low all things considered, right? It is all about perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
Anyone taking a firm stance on this may really regret their doing so a year from now, kinda my thoughts.
I dunno know, wise guy. Why dont YOU post the numbers and answers to your questions. Go ahead, the one who calls out everyone for "data", go ahead, its easy to ask right? But ain't easy to answer, just like your partner TIC. Go ahead, wise guy, right here in this thread, answer your questions, the forum is waiting.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfHow many dead kids among them? And what is the average age of the dead and their physical condition? If the death rate of a kid is 0.04% and that of a 75 year old 25% then it kind of suggests something. For someone my age the mortality rate is 0.17%. Kind of low all things considered, right? It is all about perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
I don't think so. The reality is most people have not been infected and of those that have been most make full recoveries. The death rate goes up the older you get so the elderly inevitably have serious concerns, but others without conditions not so much. It is an issue for sure as you don't want to kill your gran, but until a vaccine comes along this is the world we have.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Sweden accepts that death is part of life and we shouldn't live our lives in fear. I certainly do not. If something has a 0.17% chance of killing me I will take my chances considering what I have already been through in life. I am certainly not a coward or afraid of the worst happening. It can be regulated and controlled as seen in numerous countries. They have done it in different ways, but it is not the great plague.
With no tax revenue there is no welfare state or health care and many more will die. You cannot shield people from the reality of how society functions forever. Trump is right in that things do need to get moving and with life there is risk. If you want to opt out, then fine, and if you can work from home then great. However, people need to work and provide. Otherwise, you are looking at societal collapse and that will destroy so much more.
We are pampered. In times past you were a very old man in your 40's and here we are freaking that something has a 0.17% chance of taking a life. It is a spoiled age.
prove those deaths were from a virus caught from person to person. there's no point wasting time on data until you can prove your belief. someone religious can provide me all the documentation they like, but it's not proof god is real. it's like me saying i have a leprechaun, then asking you what evidence would you accept. the only thing that will prove it's real is a fucking leprechaunQuote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBellI dunno know, wise guy. Why dont YOU post the numbers and answers to your questions. Go ahead, the one who calls out everyone for "data", go ahead, its easy to ask right? But ain't easy to answer, just like your partner TIC. Go ahead, wise guy, right here in this thread, answer your questions, the forum is waiting.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfHow many dead kids among them? And what is the average age of the dead and their physical condition? If the death rate of a kid is 0.04% and that of a 75 year old 25% then it kind of suggests something. For someone my age the mortality rate is 0.17%. Kind of low all things considered, right? It is all about perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/yo...over-lockdownsQuote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBellI dunno know, wise guy. Why dont YOU post the numbers and answers to your questions. Go ahead, the one who calls out everyone for "data", go ahead, its easy to ask right? But ain't easy to answer, just like your partner TIC. Go ahead, wise guy, right here in this thread, answer your questions, the forum is waiting.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfHow many dead kids among them? And what is the average age of the dead and their physical condition? If the death rate of a kid is 0.04% and that of a 75 year old 25% then it kind of suggests something. For someone my age the mortality rate is 0.17%. Kind of low all things considered, right? It is all about perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
It is very low according to Rand Paul who is more of a medical expert than you or I. He is a realist and not a fear merchant.
The issue is not so much the kids, but the grandparents they might infect.
Look grey wizard, people just don't know enough yet. You seem to think you do. I really hope you are right, it's certainly possible.
What do you mean? I don't know anything more than the presented data. How many children are dying? It seems to be a very small number and if we are being honest, it is an unfortunate fact that children are dying from other things in much larger numbers. Symptoms for younger people generally are less than older people. It is not an absolute, but a general statement based on existing evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
I don't claim to know anything more than what I learn from greater minds than mine, but can only repeat that the average death age is 77 and 97% with existing conditions here. That's not plague territory.
Does it mean we allow everyone to get infected and kill all the grannies? Of course not! I am suggesting we need balance. Thus where I am places are functioning, but there are currently restrictions on night life due to that being where recent issues have been.
If there is no economy then there is no healthcare and others with serious illnesses will start to die and others will turn to drink and drugs and kill themselves as their lives are ruined. What does shutting down a person of 50 and their business do to them? Sure they don't catch something that likely won't kill them, but they lose everything else.
@p4pking well said. He thinks he knows everything and only HIS data sources are legit. Nauseating.
Show your data then. You asked a question, I showed you some information.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
Looking likes YOU just asked 3 question. So I said ask yourself and answer it yourself. YOU asked the questions. AND.... the answering you gave was shite.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfHow many dead kids among them? And what is the average age of the dead and their physical condition? Kind of low all things considered, right? It is all about perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
I think you have forgotten your waffle about children and diseases. I asked you questions and you couldn't answer any. I instead gave you this little nugget:Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBellLooking likes YOU just asked 3 question. So I said ask yourself and answer it yourself. YOU asked the questions. AND.... the answering you gave was shite.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfHow many dead kids among them? And what is the average age of the dead and their physical condition? Kind of low all things considered, right? It is all about perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
"Paul, a medical doctor, noted during the Senate hearing before the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pension Committee, that the mortality rate among children 'approaches zero', and that for those aged 18-45 "the mortality in New York was 10 out of 100,000."
In other words very few children are dying from this.
Taking the idiot trump's push to return to normal activities over the advice of medical professionals to stay inside and continue social distancing. What could go wrong?
nothing has been proven but all these control measures have been put in place. this was never about a virus that spreads from person to personQuote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Yeah you're right it was about a rusty old birdcage. Prove me wrong, I only deal with facts Yeh.
prove my leprechaun isn't real yehQuote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
During the 1919 "Spanish" Flu pandemic, there were 3 waves of the disease. The 2nd wave was the most deadly and came about 6-9 months after the first wave. The 3rd wave came about 6 months after the 2nd and was only about half as bad as the 2nd wave, but still more deadly than the first wave.
During both the 2nd and 3rd waves, people thought that it was over and went back to their normal lives.
Remember, we are still in the 1st wave of COVID-19.
Well, in the space of about a week or so we've had three different Republican governors act to censor or manipulate data being sent to the public. First, Nebraska declared that it wasn't going to share certain numbers with the public. Then Georgia produced a doctored chart designed to make it look like the virus was in decline. Now Florida fires a statistician who wouldn't alter data to meet a political objective.
Governor DeSantis has been "cooking the books" for some time to keep many deaths off the "official" count. DeSantis has instructed County Coroners not to include Nursing and retirement home and other associated facilities deaths for some time. DeSantis has an agenda and has a close tie with Trump and lower COVID-19 related deaths make Florida and Trump appear that their Pandemic tactics are successful. Most of the local print news are savvy and have figured out what they are doing and know it is for political reasons. Sad that our leaders are more interested in walking the Trump line than serving the Citizens of Florida.
May 15, 2020 - 02:26 PM EDT
North Carolina sees its worst day of new COVID-19 cases
North Carolina saw its largest daily number of new coronavirus cases on Thursday with 743, bringing the Tar Heel State's total to more than 16,500 as it continues with the first phase of its reopening plan.
"Muh 2nd amendment"
So I found out yesterday that 90% of the deaths from wuhan virus in my state were in nursing homes. This is very sad and I’m not downplaying the deaths, my mother is in a nursing home that had covid. Still my state wasn’t quick to specify that only 10% of the deaths were outside nursing homes. I have talked to a few people who were diagnosed with wuhan, one of them said the muscle pains were intense, like no pain they had experienced before. The others were more mild including one that said he didn’t even know he had it but tested positive as he works in healthcare. Doesn’t sound like it’s fun to have either way. But 90% of the deaths were in nursing homes, that info should have been more readily available.
True, should have been more readily. Deaths are one thing, the most terrible, but then there are those who dont die at all. Yet permanently effected negative by it. Lung capacity reduced forever, kidney and heart damage, decreased fucntioning, and now liver damage showing and bile duct too. Kids are getting a second wave after recovering called Kawasaki as well. Its not all just chalking up that deaths are largely of seniors, but its also that means think of it, 10% are NOT nursing homes, so you got young in there too. So what is 10% (and in some states it is 20%) of non-Seniors? Today we closed with 1,577,300 infections total and 93,933 deaths Now even 10% of that would be non-senior citizens = 9,393 young people died already just saying about deaths alone here. That is a tremendous amount in a lousy 2 months time. Since say mid-March. Now 20% in some states = 18,000 deaths of non-seniors, its mind-boggling. Thats in 2 months time.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
But its not just deaths that counts. Its permanent damage. We're talking hundreds of thousands. And the curve is still going up. 2nd and 3rd waves coming in a few weeks time from re-opening irresponsibly and prematurely.
your state, fine , fair enough, but other states are underreporting.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
Do you have any evidence to back up this extraordinary statement? I am sure there is damage for some, but who are these hundreds of thousands with permanent damage? What is your source for this?Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBellTrue, should have been more readily. Deaths are one thing, the most terrible, but then there are those who dont die at all. Yet permanently effected negative by it. Lung capacity reduced forever, kidney and heart damage, decreased fucntioning, and now liver damage showing and bile duct too. Kids are getting a second wave after recovering called Kawasaki as well. Its not all just chalking up that deaths are largely of seniors, but its also that means think of it, 10% are NOT nursing homes, so you got young in there too. So what is 10% (and in some states it is 20%) of non-Seniors? Today we closed with 1,577,300 infections total and 93,933 deaths Now even 10% of that would be non-senior citizens = 9,393 young people died already just saying about deaths alone here. That is a tremendous amount in a lousy 2 months time. Since say mid-March. Now 20% in some states = 18,000 deaths of non-seniors, its mind-boggling. Thats in 2 months time.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
But its not just deaths that counts. Its permanent damage. We're talking hundreds of thousands. And the curve is still going up. 2nd and 3rd waves coming in a few weeks time from re-opening irresponsibly and prematurely.
Where can somebody start to get through your mule headed bullshit?ANY kind of damage to children counts, doesnt it? Let's first talk about some of the other forms of destruction to children. Must it only be a liver failure? IN the US and worldwide, physical damage aside for the moment, already millions of children will experience infant mortality from it, and an estimated 42-66 million children will fall into extreme poverty as a result of the crisis this year alone. This disease kills in many many ways. That's a direct UN conclusion, "economic hardship experienced by families as a result of the global coronavirus pandemic will result in a hundreds of thousands of additional child deaths in 2020, reversing the last 2 to 3 years of progress in reducing infant mortality within a single year."
"The risks to child mental health and well being are also real and devastating. Millions of refugees and internally displaced children as well as those living in detention and situations of active conflict are especially vulnerable," it said.
Releasing the policy brief, UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres said not only are the poorest and most vulnerable members of society are being hardest hit by the pandemic, he is "especially concerned about the well-being of all of the world's children."
On secod thought, I won't even go into the physical damage to people and children, yes, children, from this disease. I won't entertain someone who demands others meet the bar or the burden of proof they subjectively feel is legitimate (note: THIS MEANS YOU) while arrogantly claiming to be the true and legit source of info and data. Your false analogies and smug logical fallacies are all-too-easy to dismantle, it would actually be time-wasting to bother.
Your one of these people who want to call the shots for others/set the bar of the burden of proof on others', while all the while claiming to have the true legit info sources. Anybody who entertains you will just hear your tongue-clucking tsk tsk, you'll never accept or be satisfied. YOu think youre so reasonable and logical, you have convinced yourself you make such good sense and are so sensible. You comically quoted Ron Paul, yeah like I said, your sources are always legit, but you questions other's sources. Ron Paul, one person, ONE SINGLE PERSON, but if someone shows you their sources, if its a study group or whatever it may be, no, that will be scoffed at by you. YOu will say it doesn't suffice. Because YOU are the rule-maker and YOU are the most reasobale and YOU make the requirements for the burden of proof. Of course, I have been reading your writing here for a few weeks now, so I know you will only just deny it. I saw you do it to other people on here. Keep up the good work.
So it is not just hundreds of thousands, but now tens of millions? Your numbers change by the second. Ah, so when called out on BS as there are not hundreds of thousands of physically damaged people from Corona, you then contort to global and throw in economic impact too, which is funnily enough the most devastating aspect of lock downs. Yes, I agree children will be negatively impacted which is why I have always been against lock downs. I continually cite Sweden doing a solid job on this and they will be fine as immunity is being built up in those with decent immune systems. Most suffer no lasting damage at all and many do not even know they had it. It knocks out those least able to handle it and it can be someone who thought they were healthy.
You are either confused or have comprehension issues, but it was Rand Paul I was referencing before, not his father who is called Ron Paul. However, both are well versed when it comes to medical work. You have reading me for years, not weeks Brock.
Now if your'e very poor argument in your own mind is that only flat-out DEAD BODIES are what counts, you are dismissed all other forms of destruction out their for the little ones. What's acceptable number of dead, sick/permanently maimed or organ failures to you? Are you gonna hide behind words like it's so rare that it doesn't even matter? Because you hide behind words to minimise the destruction of it. It's bad enough if even one single human dies of it. Weather its a infant, a toddler, a baby, a kindergartener, a elemntary schooler, middle schooler, high schooler, college student. Are you really gonna sit their and nit-pick the age groups to try to minimise the destruction of it all? What are uyou gonna gain from that? What are you trying to say? It's all bullshit, like TIC and others?
One very early study, published online March 16 in the journal Pediatrics, was the largest to examine the severity of COVID-19 in children. The researchers analyzed information from more than 2,800 confirmed cases of COVID-19 in children that were reported to the Center for Disease Control and Prevention between Jan. 16 and Feb. 8. As with previous reports, the new study found that the majority of cases — more than 88% — were mild or moderate. Among these cases, children experienced symptoms such as fever, cough, sore throat, runny nose, sneezing and sometimes pneumonia.
But around 12% of children developed very severe or critical illness, with symptoms such as shortness of breath and hypoxia, or lethally low levels of oxygen in body tissues. (For comparison, a separate study that analyzed 44,672 confirmed cases of COVID-19 in adults in China found that around 18.5% were severe or critical.)
In 3% of cases, children developed acute respiratory distress syndrome, a life-threatening condition that prevents oxygen from getting to the lungs and in turn, into the bloodstream. Two 14-year-old boys from The Bronx and a 12 year-old girl from Brooklyn with confirmed COVID-19 died from the disease on March 6, according to The New York Times.
"What this [study] tells us is that hospitals should prepare for a significant number of pediatric patients because we don't rule out children," Dr. Srinivas Murthy, an associate professor of pediatrics at the University of British Columbia, who was not involved with the study, told the Times.
In this study, infants and very young children were particularly vulnerable to COVID-19. Of the 425 children who developed severe illness, more than 60% were age 5 or younger, the Times reported.
Since May 9, 44 children had symptoms similar to Kawasaki disease and toxic-shock like syndrome, more generally, inflammation that ultimately causes heart problems, Cuomo said. An additional 6 children showed Kawasaki-like convulsions and continued testing positive for Covid-19 despite having supposedly recovered.
"These are children who come in who don't present the symptoms that we normally are familiar with with Covid. It's not a respiratory illness, they're not in respiratory distress. I think that's one of the reasons why this may be getting discovered this far into the process," he said.
Cuomo said the Centers for Disease Control asked New York to develop national criteria for other states and hospital systems with similar patients.
Darling, you have been mostly talking about America as America is your obsession and have only just now pivoted global. So, yes I would agree that hundreds of thousands of failed organs would be tragic and must be avoided, but it hasn't happened has it? Be honest about who you are, about what you are saying, and about what you really think.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
Where are the hundreds of thousands of people who developed permanent damage? This is a small study. Surely we would be hearing about the hundreds of thousands of the 1.5 million who have failed livers, kidneys, and hearts.
I am sure there is damage for some and it is horrible, but when you make wild statements, then you have to back them up. Prove what you are saying. I get criticized for talking about IQ but I can back up everything with hundreds of studies. It is on you to prove what you say.
If many have had it and not even been tested, then the proportion is even tinier. You do not shut everything down because of fear. Getting very sick does not mean permanent damage or no recovery. Even a stroke victim can make a great recovery depending on the stroke. Same with cancer. Same with heart disease. My grandfather had one decades ago and is still going. Bodies often heal and recover from terrible things incredibly.
Sweden is doing the logical thing in letting it spread controlled through society. The young are the most resilient. Not babies of course, but young as in those with developed immune system and powers of recovery. It is why the elderly fatality rates are so high. Old people can be knocked out by things very easily. Keeping everyone in and depriving them of Vitamin D is insanity really. You cannot have a healthy immune system without Vitamin D and to even absorb that vitamin D you need a healthy symbiosis of other vitamins and minerals. Basics.
Don't be fat, eat healthily, and do not live in fear. Most will be fine.
Hundreds of thousands......Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
Millions
So you have gone global and now want to factor in poverty? Is this all the fault of Donald Trump too? What did Trump do to upset you so?
Like a few others here I’ve been working through this shut down. I have to say the benefit was having the highway to myself on many days. Our state did a partial reopening starting today but I started noticing traffic picking up four or five days ago. Today I went out to get a ppd test read and it seems traffic is full blast. I’m pleased to see things getting back to normal but I am going to miss the roads to myself.
Nothing is getting back to normal. Nothing wrong with being optimistic though.
Not.
So Brock how has this virus effected you. You are spending a lot of time how it’s effected other things but what did wuhan do to you. Beaner says you are still living in the same area so I’m curious. I see you are spending a lot of time copying and quoting certain news sources you do realize everyone here is reading what is going on in their state and how the world is being hit, is this just fun for you or do you have a lot of time on your hands. Are you hoping this gets worse and hurts more people? You must be very disappointed to see things opening again. I’ll refrain from saying things are fine here as I know that’s not what you want to hear but I know miles, kabong and spics are doing very well.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
Nice for 3 weeks now your having a conversation in your mind with shadow people, not sure who your addressing but keep up the dementia.