Re: Castillo Weighs in at 140; Fight Cancelled.
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Originally Posted by AdamGB
A 6 foot man can barely make that weight and still be able to walk around and think straight... How long was it going to be before a man of Castillo's size couldn't possibly make the weight?
Its a shame the fight is off... but you are all acting like Castillo tried to cheat and did it on purpose... his mind said he could make the weight and his body couldn't.
How many parts can you take out of a car before it won't move? You're all (too) emotional over this but you need to get clued up on what it's like for a man of Castillo's size to get that light... time after time after time... you can't do it for ever... if it was easy there would be no fat people in the world.
(no I'm not a castillo fan, barely know a thing about him, but when I see a fellow boxer being torn apart and called worse than shite by people who have expectations for him to meet that they don't understand I have to speak out... click away)
Your argument isn't relevant at all. The thing isn't about Castillo cheating or not. Castillo, deep down in his heart, knew he couldn't make that weight, he hasn't made 135 in more than a year, but HE F****** SIGNED THE CONTRACT!!! That's what everyone is mad about. So if so you said that you were gonna buy some underprivledged kids some computers, and then turned around and said that you just didn't have the money. Don't the kids have and parents have a right to be mad? The same principle applies here. He didn't live up to his word. Corrales loses out on the 1.2 million payday that be probably needs.
Re: Castillo Weighs in at 140; Fight Cancelled.
Why did he HAVE to know? if he is to be beleived, he only failed the last time because of a rib injury which stopped him training for 2 weeks.
This time he had the prospect of an uniterupted camp and full rest from the last bout (you try starving yourself down to 135 pounds after a long training camp, fighting a hard 10 round war and then having to make that weight again in a matter of months... they may seem fine in a post fight interveiw... or when they get their hands lifted but you have no idea what the pain is like once the adrenalin leaves they're system... toe to toe fights take something out of you, esspecially miles from your natural weight).
He beleived he could make the weight, he failed and now he is being critised and having unfair accusations made against him because people have no idea how high the goals they make for fighters actually are.
Re: Castillo Weighs in at 140; Fight Cancelled.
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Originally Posted by albsur2006
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Originally Posted by AdamGB
A 6 foot man can barely make that weight and still be able to walk around and think straight... How long was it going to be before a man of Castillo's size couldn't possibly make the weight?
Its a shame the fight is off... but you are all acting like Castillo tried to cheat and did it on purpose... his mind said he could make the weight and his body couldn't.
How many parts can you take out of a car before it won't move? You're all (too) emotional over this but you need to get clued up on what it's like for a man of Castillo's size to get that light... time after time after time... you can't do it for ever... if it was easy there would be no fat people in the world.
(no I'm not a castillo fan, barely know a thing about him, but when I see a fellow boxer being torn apart and called worse than shite by people who have expectations for him to meet that they don't understand I have to speak out... click away)
Your argument isn't relevant at all. The thing isn't about Castillo cheating or not. Castillo, deep down in his heart, knew he couldn't make that weight, he hasn't made 135 in more than a year, but HE F****** SIGNED THE CONTRACT!!! That's what everyone is mad about. So if so you said that you were gonna buy some underprivledged kids some computers, and then turned around and said that you just didn't have the money. Don't the kids have and parents have a right to be mad? The same principle applies here. He didn't live up to his word. Corrales loses out on the 1.2 million payday that be probably needs.
your argument is over simplified and ignores the facts I stated... if I came to my bank account and found it was empty how would I have lied? its not a lie if you beleive it's true.
Re: Castillo Weighs in at 140; Fight Cancelled.
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Originally Posted by AdamGB
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Originally Posted by albsur2006
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Originally Posted by AdamGB
A 6 foot man can barely make that weight and still be able to walk around and think straight... How long was it going to be before a man of Castillo's size couldn't possibly make the weight?
Its a shame the fight is off... but you are all acting like Castillo tried to cheat and did it on purpose... his mind said he could make the weight and his body couldn't.
How many parts can you take out of a car before it won't move? You're all (too) emotional over this but you need to get clued up on what it's like for a man of Castillo's size to get that light... time after time after time... you can't do it for ever... if it was easy there would be no fat people in the world.
(no I'm not a castillo fan, barely know a thing about him, but when I see a fellow boxer being torn apart and called worse than shite by people who have expectations for him to meet that they don't understand I have to speak out... click away)
Your argument isn't relevant at all. The thing isn't about Castillo cheating or not. Castillo, deep down in his heart, knew he couldn't make that weight, he hasn't made 135 in more than a year, but HE F****** SIGNED THE CONTRACT!!! That's what everyone is mad about. So if so you said that you were gonna buy some underprivledged kids some computers, and then turned around and said that you just didn't have the money. Don't the kids have and parents have a right to be mad? The same principle applies here. He didn't live up to his word. Corrales loses out on the 1.2 million payday that be probably needs.
your argument is over simplified and ignores the facts I stated... if I came to my bank account and found it was empty how would I have lied? its not a lie if you beleive it's true.
So are you saying that Castillo shouldn't be punished? Boxing is trying to come back to the fore front and boxers not making weight doesn't help. When was the last time you saw a fight of this caliber called off because of weight. It's bullshit. You can defend this guy all you want, but you're not watching a great fight because Castillo's inability to live up to his word. TWICE IN A ROW!!! So how should boxing fans react smart guy? Boxing fans should be livid. And I'm tired of hearing talk about Castillo's inability to make weight, if it was so hard to make weight and that grueling, then he should have seriously thought about that before SIGNING THE CONTRACT!!! He shouldn't just get a free shot to try and make weight. People need to be held accountable for their word that what contracts are for. Corrales needs the money, Corrales is taller, Corrales drained himself for the fight too. Corrales made weight, how the fuck does Castillo deserve any sympathy.
Re: Castillo Weighs in at 140; Fight Cancelled.
you're obviously too upset to properly dicuss this... I don't remember saying that boxing fans (fight fans... ::** as a boxing fan I am happy that Castillo is not fighting at a weight he couldn't reach with millions of dollars infront of him... thats how fighters get brain damage, he's as low as he can go) should be happy about it or that he shouldn't be penalised... What I am saying is that its unfair to go for his Jugular and call him a liar and a cheat... ::**
And he signed to make the weigh despite how hard it is because he had the mental tougness to do it when his body would allow it... if boxers didn't take challenges or do anything that was tough or grueling... there would be no boxing... come back when you have a better understand of Anatomy, diet and training and when you are not so up that you are unable to discuss this and comprehend what I am saying.
Re: Castillo Weighs in at 140; Fight Cancelled.
Noone is faulting Castillo for not making the weight...well to a certain degree I am because 5 lbs is just to much. I'm mad because he LIED. He lashed out several times about being asked about the weight, he said he would have no trouble makig the weight because he wouldn't have a rib injury. Well...? He LIED about everything to save his own ass up until the day of the weigh in. He said he was 140 on Monday. He couldn't lose the pounds? Not even a single pound? He either didn't try or he lied. I'm assuming the latter. If it's impossible to expect him to make 135 then it should have been impossible for him to expect it from himself. He should have at least told his promoter, or Corrales, or someone so this didn't happen. Say he went to Corrales about 2 weeks ago and told him of his troubles, then Corrales' camp could have made a catch weight or something. Or just called the fight off before it got this far. But no. You can't not know that your body is going to be 5 lbs over the week of the weighin, that's just to much weight.
Re: Castillo Weighs in at 140; Fight Cancelled.
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Originally Posted by SecondRoundKO
Noone is faulting Castillo for not making the weight...well to a certain degree I am because 5 lbs is just to much. I'm mad because he LIED. He lashed out several times about being asked about the weight, he said he would have no trouble makig the weight because he wouldn't have a rib injury. Well...? He LIED about everything to save his own a** up until the day of the weigh in. He said he was 140 on Monday. He couldn't lose the pounds? Not even a single pound? He either didn't try or he lied. I'm assuming the latter. If it's impossible to expect him to make 135 then it should have been impossible for him to expect it from himself. He should have at least told his promoter, or Corrales, or someone so this didn't happen. Say he went to Corrales about 2 weeks ago and told him of his troubles, then Corrales' camp could have made a catch weight or something. Or just called the fight off before it got this far. But no. You can't not know that your body is going to be 5 lbs over the week of the weighin, that's just to much weight.
Exactly, it's not like he was 135 this whole time and all of a sudden he jumped to 140. He was 140 for a long time. His weight was being lost at a certain rate during training. He had to know that he probably wasn't going to make the weight. Look I'm honestly over this shit, bottom line, the guy didn't live up to his word. Corrales should move up to 140 and take Castillo's fight with Cotto. Corrales was making the most money, Corrales IMO is the bigger attraction. I would much rather see Corrales-Cotto than Castillo-Cotto. Although the Castillo-Cotto would be a barnburner as well.
Re: Castillo Weighs in at 140; Fight Cancelled.
How could he not have weighed himself a couple of hours before the weigh-in? He knew exactly what he was gonna weigh, and if he didn't he's an even bigger idiot.
Re: Castillo Weighs in at 140; Fight Cancelled.
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Originally Posted by albsur2006
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Originally Posted by SecondRoundKO
Noone is faulting Castillo for not making the weight...well to a certain degree I am because 5 lbs is just to much. I'm mad because he LIED. He lashed out several times about being asked about the weight, he said he would have no trouble makig the weight because he wouldn't have a rib injury. Well...? He LIED about everything to save his own a** up until the day of the weigh in. He said he was 140 on Monday. He couldn't lose the pounds? Not even a single pound? He either didn't try or he lied. I'm assuming the latter. If it's impossible to expect him to make 135 then it should have been impossible for him to expect it from himself. He should have at least told his promoter, or Corrales, or someone so this didn't happen. Say he went to Corrales about 2 weeks ago and told him of his troubles, then Corrales' camp could have made a catch weight or something. Or just called the fight off before it got this far. But no. You can't not know that your body is going to be 5 lbs over the week of the weighin, that's just to much weight.
Exactly, it's not like he was 135 this whole time and all of a sudden he jumped to 140. He was 140 for a long time. His weight was being lost at a certain rate during training. He had to know that he probably wasn't going to make the weight. Look I'm honestly over this shit, bottom line, the guy didn't live up to his word. Corrales should move up to 140 and take Castillo's fight with Cotto. Corrales was making the most money, Corrales IMO is the bigger attraction. I would much rather see Corrales-Cotto than Castillo-Cotto. Although the Castillo-Cotto would be a barnburner as well.
Doubt it. Corrales is damaged goods right now, and it's just a matter of time how much longer he lasts. If Cotto loses to Malignaggi then Castillo won't get that fight anyway.
IF there ever was going to be a third fight, it should be at a catch weight, and Corrales should be allowed to fight at that weight once(while Castillo is suspended and can't be active) It's a win/win for Corrales since when he loses he's still the Lightweight champ.
Re: Castillo Weighs in at 140; Fight Cancelled.
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Originally Posted by SecondRoundKO
Noone is faulting Castillo for not making the weight...well to a certain degree I am because 5 lbs is just to much. I'm mad because he LIED. He lashed out several times about being asked about the weight, he said he would have no trouble makig the weight because he wouldn't have a rib injury. Well...? He LIED about everything to save his own a** up until the day of the weigh in. He said he was 140 on Monday. He couldn't lose the pounds? Not even a single pound? He either didn't try or he lied. I'm assuming the latter. If it's impossible to expect him to make 135 then it should have been impossible for him to expect it from himself. He should have at least told his promoter, or Corrales, or someone so this didn't happen. Say he went to Corrales about 2 weeks ago and told him of his troubles, then Corrales' camp could have made a catch weight or something. Or just called the fight off before it got this far. But no. You can't not know that your body is going to be 5 lbs over the week of the weighin, that's just to much weight.
:coolclick: young sir
your points are succinct and well made
Re: Castillo Weighs in at 140; Fight Cancelled.
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Originally Posted by albsur2006
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Originally Posted by SecondRoundKO
Noone is faulting Castillo for not making the weight...well to a certain degree I am because 5 lbs is just to much. I'm mad because he LIED. He lashed out several times about being asked about the weight, he said he would have no trouble makig the weight because he wouldn't have a rib injury. Well...? He LIED about everything to save his own a** up until the day of the weigh in. He said he was 140 on Monday. He couldn't lose the pounds? Not even a single pound? He either didn't try or he lied. I'm assuming the latter. If it's impossible to expect him to make 135 then it should have been impossible for him to expect it from himself. He should have at least told his promoter, or Corrales, or someone so this didn't happen. Say he went to Corrales about 2 weeks ago and told him of his troubles, then Corrales' camp could have made a catch weight or something. Or just called the fight off before it got this far. But no. You can't not know that your body is going to be 5 lbs over the week of the weighin, that's just to much weight.
Exactly, it's not like he was 135 this whole time and all of a sudden he jumped to 140. He was 140 for a long time. His weight was being lost at a certain rate during training. He had to know that he probably wasn't going to make the weight. Look I'm honestly over this S***, bottom line, the guy didn't live up to his word. Corrales should move up to 140 and take Castillo's fight with Cotto. Corrales was making the most money, Corrales IMO is the bigger attraction. I would much rather see Corrales-Cotto than Castillo-Cotto. Although the Castillo-Cotto would be a barnburner as well.
No, you get to a weight whilst still eating and drinking whilst training and then you dry up and suddenly loose water and energy sources before the fight before replinishing them.
in training you loose mass, when drying up its mainly water and stored carbs. Thats why fighters suddenly gain weight after the way in, they eat and rink like crazy and their body rehydrates and refills teh energy supplys. you don't actually get to 135 at the end of camp, you'd normaly get to over 140 and loose about 10 pounds of sweat and food by dieting and drying up. its short, intense and hard to moniter and predict...
Re: Castillo Weighs in at 140; Fight Cancelled.
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by SecondRoundKO
Noone is faulting Castillo for not making the weight...well to a certain degree I am because 5 lbs is just to much. I'm mad because he LIED. He lashed out several times about being asked about the weight, he said he would have no trouble makig the weight because he wouldn't have a rib injury. Well...? He LIED about everything to save his own a** up until the day of the weigh in. He said he was 140 on Monday. He couldn't lose the pounds? Not even a single pound? He either didn't try or he lied. I'm assuming the latter. If it's impossible to expect him to make 135 then it should have been impossible for him to expect it from himself. He should have at least told his promoter, or Corrales, or someone so this didn't happen. Say he went to Corrales about 2 weeks ago and told him of his troubles, then Corrales' camp could have made a catch weight or something. Or just called the fight off before it got this far. But no. You can't not know that your body is going to be 5 lbs over the week of the weighin, that's just to much weight.
:coolclick: young sir
your points are succinct and well made
Gracias Senor ;D CC returned.
And I have no desire to see a 3rd fight now, catch weight or not. I don't think Corrales is foolish enough to take one either.
Corrales is damaged goods Starr? Corrales is the one pouring his heart out to make the weight. Castillo is damaged goods...
I would love to see Corrales-Barrios, Corrales-Freitas, Corrales-Casamayor, Corrales-Diaz, Corrales-Cotto....the list goes on and on. I just hope he gets a big money fight.
Re: Castillo Weighs in at 140; Fight Cancelled.
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Originally Posted by AdamGB
Why did he HAVE to know? if he is to be beleived, he only failed the last time because of a rib injury which stopped him training for 2 weeks.
This time he had the prospect of an uniterupted camp and full rest from the last bout (you try starving yourself down to 135 pounds after a long training camp, fighting a hard 10 round war and then having to make that weight again in a matter of months... they may seem fine in a post fight interveiw... or when they get their hands lifted but you have no idea what the pain is like once the adrenalin leaves they're system... toe to toe fights take something out of you, esspecially miles from your natural weight).
He beleived he could make the weight, he failed and now he is being critised and having unfair accusations made against him because people have no idea how high the goals they make for fighters actually are.
THATS WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING!!! Don't be critisizing like the guy planned it from the day he signed the contracts. It's NOT that easy.
Re: Castillo Weighs in at 140; Fight Cancelled.
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Originally Posted by SecondRoundKO
Corrales is damaged goods Starr? Corrales is the one pouring his heart out to make the weight. Castillo is damaged goods...
Corrales doesn't have much longer in the tank. HE'S NOT THE SAME!! Corrales has been damaged goods since the first Castillo fight, sure he won, but at what cost? Corrales aint got that much longer to go. Corrales is damaged goods. He aint got much longer. had Castillo made weight Corrales would have just been knocked out again.
Re: Castillo Weighs in at 140; Fight Cancelled.
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Originally Posted by Starr
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Originally Posted by AdamGB
Why did he HAVE to know? if he is to be beleived, he only failed the last time because of a rib injury which stopped him training for 2 weeks.
This time he had the prospect of an uniterupted camp and full rest from the last bout (you try starving yourself down to 135 pounds after a long training camp, fighting a hard 10 round war and then having to make that weight again in a matter of months... they may seem fine in a post fight interveiw... or when they get their hands lifted but you have no idea what the pain is like once the adrenalin leaves they're system... toe to toe fights take something out of you, esspecially miles from your natural weight).
He beleived he could make the weight, he failed and now he is being critised and having unfair accusations made against him because people have no idea how high the goals they make for fighters actually are.
THATS WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING!!! Don't be critisizing like the guy planned it from the day he signed the contracts. It's NOT that easy.
noone is saying its easy....but there is no reason to get delusional in order to make yourself and others believe you can make weight....
castillo has lost a lot of respect....lightning shouldnt strike twice so obviously....
