Re: Can Carlos Baldomir pull off the upset of the Year? He's done it twice already.
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
The thing is...the variable...Baldo's got a lot of heart & he's running on a 19 or so undefeated streak...if I'm not mistaken.
He's got the drive.
I just don't know that I believe he could break Floyd down...but this weight issue with Floyd still bothers me.
I agree with you Baldo has a huge heart and high determination factor , Baldy's must be willing to and pay the price to keep a sustained body attack going . The thing is Floyd is so slick and instinctive inside there, its hard to break him down, he knows how to get out of troubles. Mayweather is a very skilled blessed individual ! CC Wacko always enjoy your reads ;)
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Sorry Lords Gym, Wacko can't repeat a karma action without waiting 24 hours...even though I want to for the complement.
Glad you enjoy the reads...often non-sensical blattherings of a drunken man...but I do enjoy it so.
In the end...I truly believe that Floyd wins...hands down...but I want Baldo to put up a fight...I want it to be a tuffy & at this weight...at these stakes...it very well could be a hard night for Floyd. If anyone deserves an upset...it's Baldo.
It'd up his stakes in a major way...he truly would be Cinderella material. Think of it.
Again, thanks for the love babe. ;) ;D
Re: Can Carlos Baldomir pull off the upset of the Year? He's done it twice already.
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
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Originally Posted by Majesty
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
Gatti was Thunder
Judah was Nill
Badly is a badass
and should give us a thrill
Mayweather has such talent in deed
but dodges the real threats
like Margarito you See,
so no matter what happen
and no matter who wins
Floyd will have to face the music again ! ;D
Margarito music
Which may not have to be
Because last I checked
He aint past Clottey
And even if he does
And Clottey gets knocked out
By Margarito with which he was toyed
Clottey still aint got the skill
Of Pretty Boy Floyd
;)
Good point you have made
and I have to agree
Floyd is the man
till the day he is beat
But avoiding the top dogs
is a chicken way out
A smart business man
Floyd Mayweather No doubt
I admire his skill
I admire his plan
stick to the short men
keep the dollars in hand
a loss on the record
the pastures aint green
When the money stops coming
It ‘s the end of story .
You give him his props
And then diss the man
All this coming
From a Margarito fan ;)
Re: Can Carlos Baldomir pull off the upset of the Year? He's done it twice already.
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Originally Posted by Majesty
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
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Originally Posted by Majesty
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
Gatti was Thunder
Judah was Nill
Badly is a badass
and should give us a thrill
Mayweather has such talent in deed
but dodges the real threats
like Margarito you See,
so no matter what happen
and no matter who wins
Floyd will have to face the music again ! ;D
Margarito music
Which may not have to be
Because last I checked
He aint past Clottey
And even if he does
And Clottey gets knocked out
By Margarito with which he was toyed
Clottey still aint got the skill
Of Pretty Boy Floyd
;)
Good point you have made
and I have to agree
Floyd is the man
till the day he is beat
But avoiding the top dogs
is a chicken way out
A smart business man
Floyd Mayweather No doubt
I admire his skill
I admire his plan
stick to the short men
keep the dollars in hand
a loss on the record
the pastures aint green
When the money stops coming
It ‘s the end of story .
You give him his props
And then diss the man
All this coming
From a Margarito fan ;)
A Maragrito fan not I
I just like talking some smack
Really I love Floyd Mayweather
And I give him a clap
Fast hands and a fast feet
And precision like sting
He is P4P in my book
O yes sir E
;)
Re: Can Carlos Baldomir pull off the upset of the Year? He's done it twice already.
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
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Originally Posted by Majesty
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
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Originally Posted by Majesty
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lords Gym
Gatti was Thunder
Judah was Nill
Badly is a badass
and should give us a thrill
Mayweather has such talent in deed
but dodges the real threats
like Margarito you See,
so no matter what happen
and no matter who wins
Floyd will have to face the music again !  ;D 
       
Margarito music
Which may not have to be
Because last I checked
He aint past Clottey
And even if he does
And Clottey gets knocked out
By Margarito with which he was toyed
Clottey still aint got the skill
Of Pretty Boy Floyd
;)
Good point you have made
and I have to agree
Floyd is the man
till the day he is beat
But avoiding the top dogs
is a chicken way out
A smart business man
Floyd Mayweather No doubt
I admire his skill
I admire his plan
stick to the short men
keep the dollars in hand
a loss on the record
the pastures aint  green
When the money stops coming
It ‘s the end of story .
You give him his props
And then diss the man
All this coming
From a Margarito fan ;)
A Maragrito fan not I
I just like talking some smack
Really I love Floyd Mayweather
And I give him a clap
Fast hands and a fast feet
And precision like sting
He is P4P in my book
O yes sir E
  ;)
I think you've been on this site far past your time
Not long enough to know 'smack' and 'clap' do not rhyme ;)
And the attempt at 'sting' to rhyme with 'e'
made me laugh till I was sick
But you get an 'A' for effort..
so here's your coolclick :coolclick:
Re: Can Carlos Baldomir pull off the upset of the Year? He's done it twice already.
;) enjoyed it my friend !
Re: Can Carlos Baldomir pull off the upset of the Year? He's done it twice already.
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
;) enjoyed it my friend !
As did I
Re: Can Carlos Baldomir pull off the upset of the Year? He's done it twice already.
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Originally Posted by Majesty
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
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Originally Posted by Majesty
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
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Originally Posted by Majesty
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lords Gym
Gatti was Thunder
Judah was Nill
Badly is a badass
and should give us a thrill
Mayweather has such talent in deed
but dodges the real threats
like Margarito you See,
so no matter what happen
and no matter who wins
Floyd will have to face the music again ! ;D
Margarito music
Which may not have to be
Because last I checked
He aint past Clottey
And even if he does
And Clottey gets knocked out
By Margarito with which he was toyed
Clottey still aint got the skill
Of Pretty Boy Floyd
;)
Good point you have made
and I have to agree
Floyd is the man
till the day he is beat
But avoiding the top dogs
is a chicken way out
A smart business man
Floyd Mayweather No doubt
I admire his skill
I admire his plan
stick to the short men
keep the dollars in hand
a loss on the record
the pastures aint green
When the money stops coming
It ‘s the end of story .
You give him his props
And then diss the man
All this coming
From a Margarito fan ;)
A Maragrito fan not I
I just like talking some smack
Really I love Floyd Mayweather
And I give him a clap
Fast hands and a fast feet
And precision like sting
He is P4P in my book
O yes sir E
;)
I think you've been on this site far past your time
Not long enough to know 'smack' and 'clap' do not rhyme ;)
And the attempt at 'sting' to rhyme with 'e'
made me laugh till I was sick
But you get an 'A' for effort..
so here's your coolclick :coolclick:
Float like a butterfly,,,
Sting like a bee.....
You know where this is going,,,,
So just leave it be......
All this and a CC for you both!! I enjoyed the rhymes...
Re: Can Carlos Baldomir pull off the upset of the Year? He's done it twice already.
Re: Can Carlos Baldomir pull off the upset of the Year? He's done it twice already.
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Originally Posted by Majesty
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
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Originally Posted by Majesty
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lords Gym
Gatti was Thunder
Judah was Nill
Badly is a badass
and should give us a thrill
Mayweather has such talent in deed
but dodges the real threats
like Margarito you See,
so no matter what happen
and no matter who wins
Floyd will have to face the music again ! ;D
Margarito music
Which may not have to be
Because last I checked
He aint past Clottey
And even if he does
And Clottey gets knocked out
By Margarito with which he was toyed
Clottey still aint got the skill
Of Pretty Boy Floyd
;)
Good point you have made
and I have to agree
Floyd is the man
till the day he is beat
But avoiding the top dogs
is a chicken way out
A smart business man
Floyd Mayweather No doubt
I admire his skill
I admire his plan
stick to the short men
keep the dollars in hand
a loss on the record
the pastures aint green
When the money stops coming
It ‘s the end of story .
You give him his props
And then diss the man
All this coming
From a Margarito fan ;)
A Maragrito fan not I
I just like talking some smack
Really I love Floyd Mayweather
And I give him a clap
Fast hands and a fast feet
And precision like sting
He is P4P in my book
O yes sir E
;)
I think you've been on this site far past your time
Not long enough to know 'smack' and 'clap' do not rhyme ;)
And the attempt at 'sting' to rhyme with 'e'
made me laugh till I was sick
But you get an 'A' for effort..
so here's your coolclick :coolclick:
Maybe he didn't rhyme perfectly, like a "slant rhyme." WHo knows....we could go from Bernard Hopkins to Gerard Manley Hopkins. ::**
Re: Can Carlos Baldomir pull off the upset of the Year? He's done it twice already.
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For once we had a rarity my friends, fellow boxing enthusiasts, and beloved forum goers...a weekend that was devoid of the standard drunken installment of yee Ole' Round by Round. To fill the void I've thrown together this little article for discussions sake...and also...gotdammit I'm bored...and you all know how I love the weekend interaction.
For the past month or so I've been getting back on track with my vhs to dvd transfers. In doing so, I sat through Baldomir's matches against Gatti and Judah, along with Mayweather's bouts respectively. So...in anticipation of the upcoming Mayweather Baldomir unification showdown I'd like to discuss the matter in depth...so hear me out...or read me out and let's get this going.
Can Baldomir pull off the Upset of the Year?
It's 2006 & he's done it twice already...
Over the past year I've been guilty of that one thing most boxing fan's fall prey to...being biased and ignoring talent.
Being a huge fan of Floyd Mayweather jr. it's easy to recognize his talents & abilities. Even Floyd's greatest critics will admit that he is one of the most talented fighters of the past five to ten years, this admittance is shortly followed by more detractions regarding his opponents and so on & so on. Critic's will be critics.
That being said...over the past year I've been guilty of that one thing most boxing fan's fall prey to...ignoring talent. Maybe I should rephrase myself...dismissing talent is more accurate...no...maybe denying talent is a bit more on the up and up.
However you look at it, I've been dismissing the talent, heart, and abilities of one Carlos Manuel Baldomir, the current WBC and IBA Welterweight Champion.
So...why am I acknowledging my faults, you ask?
Quite simply...the man has defied the odds of late and he's slammed the door shut on two of the sports superstars to become the Welterweight Champion of the world. No small feat.
Many of my fellow forum goer's will laugh at that statement based on my previous opinions regarding Baldomir and also the opposition that he has beaten of recent date. While I may not be a fan of Zab Judah or Arturro Gatti...there is no denying that there is skill there in both men and they have defeated some game opponents.
While I do admit to being a die hard fan of Mayweather, I am beginning to warm to Baldomir and also his chances. Over the past month I have begun to see this fight as a possible upset in the making...honestly...unbiasedly...how could one not?
Sure, you can break apart Gatti and Judah and their worth at 147 pounds. Sure, you can say that Baldomir has gotten lucky to catch these two opponents of name recognition at the likely end of their ropes. Sure you can say that Baldomir hasn't a shot in hell of winning against Floyd. Sure, it's impressive that Baldomir has gotten this far in the division. Sure, it's just as impressive that Floyd has made the climb up the tall ladder of all of the divisions that he has.
Sure, you can bring up all of the positives and negatives that spring to mind...but one thing is for sure...this is going to be the fight of both men's career.
All talk of timing and luck aside, in my personal opinion...it's impressive as hell that Baldomir has gotten this far. It's just as impressive as it is that Floyd has made the climb up the tall ladder of the divisions that he has.
Unfortunately, with this fight and it's outcome, I feel that we will all become suspects in another crime...ignoring talent. Wev'e all become a bit to critical & cynical regarding both of these fighters...and if justice is served over the course of twelve rounds...it would be a shame to ignore the merit of both men...and believe you me...there are those of us who will.
Again, a month or so ago, I would have been on of those "us".
Watching the four matches and shared opponents between both Baldomir and Mayweather it's easy to recognize that both Judah and Gatti always rise to the occassion against B and C level fighters...they never crash the party with the A listers. Gatti was basically slaughtered by Mayweather and was broken down by Baldomir (who I considered to be and still do see him as B level or maybe B+), and IWO, both fights should be career ending matches for Gatti.
The shared Judah fight produced wildly different results. While Baldomir outboxed and gutted it out down the stretch against Judah in shocking fashion, Judah was able to hang in there for five or six rounds against Floyd. This would have been shocking, but as per the norm with Judah...once pressed he fell apart and fell back into the pattern of utter stupidity within the ring.
One has to wonder, based on the fact that Baldomir performed so well against both men and that Floyd will finally be facing a full fledged Welterweight warrior, how will Mayweather perform?
The fact that I've gone from wondering how Baldomir will look against the technically superior slickster that Mayweather is...to wondering how Floyd will fair against Baldomir shocks even me. It may even seem like I'm just covering my own a** in the wake of a Baldomir win...but that's not it. The true fact of the matter is...Baldomir has done so well lately that it brings up some serious questions.
Questions:
#1: Can Floyd continue to rise up with repeated success?
#2: Can Baldomir continue to hold his unbeaten streak against the cream of the crop?
#3: Can Floyd's hands, chin, and skills pull him through against today's equivelant of "the Cinderella Man"?
My answers:
#1: No. I don't think that he can. Favorite fighter or not...I don't go for the weight jumping...I think that it ruins careers down the road. I believe that Mayweather will beat Baldo in a tuff fight...but moving up to 154 & more...possibley facing Oscar or Mosley...things like that...I just don't see him pulling off anymore.
#2: No. I don't think that Baldo will defeat Floyd.
#3: Yes. Floyd's hands, chin, and skills pull him through this battle...the real question is...does everyone buy into the fact that the media is selling Baldo as today's equivelant of "the Cinderella Man"?
All will be answered Saturday November the 4th, 2006 in what will be one of the most important 12 rounders of both careers with the WBC, IBO, and the IBA Welterweight titles on the line. It's make or break for Baldomir and another chance for Floyd to prove that he is indeed the pound for pound elite fighter of the world.
Now...if I were to be wrong...honestly...I'd hate for my guy to lose...but I couldn't think of a better person for him to lose to. Oddly enough...I guess that means that I do buy into Baldomir being today's equivelant of "the Cinderella Man", which I find to be an aggrevating term that is thrown around quite frequently today in boxing. Baldomir is the rags to riches story in a nutshell though and I do dig on the fact that he's got everything to lose going in to this fight. While I may not think that Baldomir has the technical skills to best Mayweather...he does have the heart and he does have the edge in power, couple that with the fact that he's proven that he can take a shot...well...you never know what could happen.
In the end...I'll be sticking to a Mayweather Unanimous Decision Unification Win...but a shock could be quite refreshing and who better to recieve the honor of defeating one of the greatest fighters in the sport today?
I can't think of anyone more deserving than Carlos Baldomir.
There...I said it.
Nice read my friend :coolclick:
Re: Can Carlos Baldomir pull off the upset of the Year? He's done it twice already.
:coolclick: right back duke.
Glad you dug the read/article/whatever that long diatribe was. ;D
Re: Can Carlos Baldomir pull off the upset of the Year? He's done it twice already.
FINALLY!!!!
SOMEONE THAT SEE THINGS THE WAY THAT I DO!!!!
A CC for you Duke and Wacko....I didnt catch that post when it was made...
And to think that I was one of the few people out there that could see the talent Baldy was fixing to bring to the ring....
I HIGHLY agree about PBF's talent and rise and a true boxer, but, there are mistakes made and people underestimated in this game. Baldy has been highly criticized and counted out before the fight has even happened. This guy has the heart, determination and will to be the Undisputed World Champ....
The guy knows what losing is all about, he knows how it feels to be counted out before the fight starts, so there is nothing anyone can say or do at this point to ruffle his feathers...If he loses, he loses....He will have done more than most thought he would have...I pat the man on the back to this point for making the accomplishments that he has....
Mayweather on the other hand has alot to worry about, this could be the loss of his precious title, meaning that a man stepped in who was supposed to be of lesser caliber and talent and took it from him....This will not settle well and when it happens, there will be nothing but exscuses and statements made on how PBF really won the fight....
I have said all this time not to count out Baldy, not to underestimate what his chances are....For one thing, he didnt become champ from the Championship Belt Stork....He fought for those and was suppose to have lost those fights....
I dont underestimate PBF's Talent, we all know what he can do....Baldy, on the other hand, has proven to beable to shake things up a bit....
I am now making my prediction...
I say Baldy wins this fight in a late round stoppage....
Mayweather will try to be slick, but get caught with some of the power that Baldy has and will then be slowed down and forced to fight Baldy's fight....
If I am wrong, I am wrong.....So be it......
But what if I am right???
Good Luck,
Coach
Re: Can Carlos Baldomir pull off the upset of the Year? He's done it twice already.
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FINALLY!!!!
SOMEONE THAT SEE THINGS THE WAY THAT I DO!!!!
A CC for you Duke and Wacko....I didnt catch that post when it was made...
And to think that I was one of the few people out there that could see the talent Baldy was fixing to bring to the ring....
I HIGHLY agree about PBF's talent and rise and a true boxer, but, there are mistakes made and people underestimated in this game. Baldy has been highly criticized and counted out before the fight has even happened. This guy has the heart, determination and will to be the Undisputed World Champ....
The guy knows what losing is all about, he knows how it feels to be counted out before the fight starts, so there is nothing anyone can say or do at this point to ruffle his feathers...If he loses, he loses....He will have done more than most thought he would have...I pat the man on the back to this point for making the accomplishments that he has....
Mayweather on the other hand has alot to worry about, this could be the loss of his precious title, meaning that a man stepped in who was supposed to be of lesser caliber and talent and took it from him....This will not settle well and when it happens, there will be nothing but exscuses and statements made on how PBF really won the fight....
I have said all this time not to count out Baldy, not to underestimate what his chances are....For one thing, he didnt become champ from the Championship Belt Stork....He fought for those and was suppose to have lost those fights....
I dont underestimate PBF's Talent, we all know what he can do....Baldy, on the other hand, has proven to beable to shake things up a bit....
I am now making my prediction...
I say Baldy wins this fight in a late round stoppage....
Mayweather will try to be slick, but get caught with some of the power that Baldy has and will then be slowed down and forced to fight Baldy's fight....
If I am wrong, I am wrong.....So be it......
But what if I am right???
Good Luck,
Coach
I always respect your opinion Coach BUT.....
Not Hapenning plain and simple...
Sheer determination is one thing, getting outclassed in every sense of the word is.....PBF takes NO ONE lightly and is probably one of if not the most prepared and focused fighter in the game...Floyd will train for the fight of his life
I dont see Floyd getting stopped late either Baldy is so damn slow he might as well be throwing his punches from under water not to mention Besides Winky Wright and James Toney, Floyd is one of the 3 Premiere defenders in the game....
Baldo is a good human interest story for the sport, but he will inevitably be picked apart with razor like presicion and that is the reality of it.. ;) Floyd might as well be fighting a statue after he Boxes circles around Baldy...
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Remember when Ricky hatton was going to fight Baldo...I would like to have seen this fight at 147 instead of the colloza fight. Say if Baldo beat hatton in that fight that would really would have boosted his rep! I think if Baldo does beat Floyd which i want to happen i would like to see him move up to light middle and face de la hoya? Mosley? who knows!
Re: Can Carlos Baldomir pull off the upset of the Year? He's done it twice already.
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Originally Posted by BoxingCoachBW
FINALLY!!!!
SOMEONE THAT SEE THINGS THE WAY THAT I DO!!!!
A CC for you Duke and Wacko....I didnt catch that post when it was made...
And to think that I was one of the few people out there that could see the talent Baldy was fixing to bring to the ring....
I HIGHLY agree about PBF's talent and rise and a true boxer, but, there are mistakes made and people underestimated in this game. Baldy has been highly criticized and counted out before the fight has even happened. This guy has the heart, determination and will to be the Undisputed World Champ....
The guy knows what losing is all about, he knows how it feels to be counted out before the fight starts, so there is nothing anyone can say or do at this point to ruffle his feathers...If he loses, he loses....He will have done more than most thought he would have...I pat the man on the back to this point for making the accomplishments that he has....
Mayweather on the other hand has alot to worry about, this could be the loss of his precious title, meaning that a man stepped in who was supposed to be of lesser caliber and talent and took it from him....This will not settle well and when it happens, there will be nothing but exscuses and statements made on how PBF really won the fight....
I have said all this time not to count out Baldy, not to underestimate what his chances are....For one thing, he didnt become champ from the Championship Belt Stork....He fought for those and was suppose to have lost those fights....
I dont underestimate PBF's Talent, we all know what he can do....Baldy, on the other hand, has proven to beable to shake things up a bit....
I am now making my prediction...
I say Baldy wins this fight in a late round stoppage....
Mayweather will try to be slick, but get caught with some of the power that Baldy has and will then be slowed down and forced to fight Baldy's fight....
If I am wrong, I am wrong.....So be it......
But what if I am right???
Good Luck,
Coach
If you're right, I'll be doing a dance of some sort that night! I like PBF's ability, but I can't stand anyone who thinks he is unbeatable.
