Re: Calzaghe: Give me Hopkins next
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Originally Posted by galaxy76
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Thing is Hopkins is retired so to make a Calzaghe fight ain't that easy, its fine for Calzaghe to start calling out Hopkins now that hes retired. Why doesn't Calzaghe call out Taylor or Wright who are both active. If Hopkins comes back he wants a challenge & IMO taking on the heavies is a bigger challenge than a super-middleweight.
He calls them out all the time.
"I would love to come out and fight," Calzaghe said. "I thought if the title fight was going to happen, then I would have come to America then and fight with Hopkins. Even if the fight was with Winky Wright or Jermain Taylor, yes, I would be willing to come. But unfortunately those people are sort of eluding me because Roy Jones got himself beat and Hopkins has retired. So we will have to wait and see. But it would be great to fight at least one fight in America."
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...dan&id=2621395
Oh and as you can see on a previous post of mine Calzaghe has been calling out Hopkins for years, he hasn't waited until Hopkins retired. ;)
Good points bro, but in my book its one thing to say sh*t & another to do it. Action speak louder than words shall we say. Either way Calzaghe fights Hopkins he loses, same goes for if he fights Wright. I think he beats Taylor though.
Would you care to break down why exactly Wright or Hopkins beat Calzaghe at this stage in their careers?
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Wrights jab & defense, Hopkins' experience & all round ability. Basically I think both guys are technically better than Calzaghe. IMO opinion gets a lesson from Wright & loses a decision to Hopkins as Hopkins makes it a sloppy boring fight.
Re: Calzaghe: Give me Hopkins next
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Originally Posted by galaxy76
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by galaxy76
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Thing is Hopkins is retired so to make a Calzaghe fight ain't that easy, its fine for Calzaghe to start calling out Hopkins now that hes retired. Why doesn't Calzaghe call out Taylor or Wright who are both active. If Hopkins comes back he wants a challenge & IMO taking on the heavies is a bigger challenge than a super-middleweight.
He calls them out all the time.
"I would love to come out and fight," Calzaghe said. "I thought if the title fight was going to happen, then I would have come to America then and fight with Hopkins. Even if the fight was with Winky Wright or Jermain Taylor, yes, I would be willing to come. But unfortunately those people are sort of eluding me because Roy Jones got himself beat and Hopkins has retired. So we will have to wait and see. But it would be great to fight at least one fight in America."
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...dan&id=2621395
Oh and as you can see on a previous post of mine Calzaghe has been calling out Hopkins for years, he hasn't waited until Hopkins retired. ;)
Good points bro, but in my book its one thing to say sh*t & another to do it. Action speak louder than words shall we say. Either way Calzaghe fights Hopkins he loses, same goes for if he fights Wright. I think he beats Taylor though.
Would you care to break down why exactly Wright or Hopkins beat Calzaghe at this stage in their careers?
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Wrights jab & defense, Hopkins' experience & all round ability. Basically I think both guys are technically better than Calzaghe. IMO opinion gets a lesson from Wright & loses a decision to Hopkins as Hopkins makes it a sloppy boring fight.
Taylor lost to Wright IMO, but took it to the limits. Calzaghe has greater skills and output than Taylor and is bigger. Hopkins is old and lost to Taylor because of a limited output in the second fight especially so....
Would you care to add more to your critique?
Re: Calzaghe: Give me Hopkins next
Joe by UD. Too many weapons for Hopkins.
Re: Calzaghe: Give me Hopkins next
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Joe by UD. Too many weapons for Hopkins.
At this stage yes. Hopkins is old. People are forgeting this. He had issues with Taylor in the last fight. And now because he beat Tarver he will beat Calzaghe!!!! ;D
Bollocks!!
Re: Calzaghe: Give me Hopkins next
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by galaxy76
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Originally Posted by miles
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Thing is Hopkins is retired so to make a Calzaghe fight ain't that easy, its fine for Calzaghe to start calling out Hopkins now that hes retired. Why doesn't Calzaghe call out Taylor or Wright who are both active. If Hopkins comes back he wants a challenge & IMO taking on the heavies is a bigger challenge than a super-middleweight.
He calls them out all the time.
"I would love to come out and fight," Calzaghe said. "I thought if the title fight was going to happen, then I would have come to America then and fight with Hopkins. Even if the fight was with Winky Wright or Jermain Taylor, yes, I would be willing to come. But unfortunately those people are sort of eluding me because Roy Jones got himself beat and Hopkins has retired. So we will have to wait and see. But it would be great to fight at least one fight in America."
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...dan&id=2621395
Oh and as you can see on a previous post of mine Calzaghe has been calling out Hopkins for years, he hasn't waited until Hopkins retired. ;)
Good points bro, but in my book its one thing to say sh*t & another to do it. Action speak louder than words shall we say. Either way Calzaghe fights Hopkins he loses, same goes for if he fights Wright. I think he beats Taylor though.
Would you care to break down why exactly Wright or Hopkins beat Calzaghe at this stage in their careers?
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Wrights jab & defense, Hopkins' experience & all round ability. Basically I think both guys are technically better than Calzaghe. IMO opinion gets a lesson from Wright & loses a decision to Hopkins as Hopkins makes it a sloppy boring fight.
Taylor lost to Wright IMO, but took it to the limits. Calzaghe has greater skills and output than Taylor and is bigger. Hopkins is old and lost to Taylor because of a limited output in the second fight especially so....
Would you care to add more to your critique?
I agree Calzaghe has greater out put than Taylor & is better technically than Taylor who I feel has a lot of balance problems. I don't think Wright fights in a style that would give Calzaghe an opportunity to use his size as an advantage. My feeling is Wrights jab shuts down Calzaghe, add to that Winkys defense & counter punching & I think its Winky fight. I'll also agree Hopkins is old but is always in superb condition, Calzaghe's out put would definitately cause problems but again I feel with the angles Hopkins fights from & his vast experience against greater opposition gives him the edge in that fight.
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He wouldn't have room to use those angles ;)
Re: Calzaghe: Give me Hopkins next
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
Joe by UD. Too many weapons for Hopkins.
At this stage yes. Hopkins is old. People are forgeting this. He had issues with Taylor in the last fight. And now because he beat Tarver he will beat Calzaghe!!!! ;D
Bollocks!!
no it sounds like now that calzage beat lacy people think he can beat hopkins
bollocks!!
Re: Calzaghe: Give me Hopkins next
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Originally Posted by 'The Boxer'
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
Joe by UD. Too many weapons for Hopkins.
At this stage yes. Hopkins is old. People are forgeting this. He had issues with Taylor in the last fight. And now because he beat Tarver he will beat Calzaghe!!!! ;D
Bollocks!!
no it sounds like now that calzage beat lacy people think he can beat hopkins
bollocks!!
cc bro, thats how it seems to me
Re: Calzaghe: Give me Hopkins next
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by Majesty
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Calzaghe pulling a Tarver trying to make Hopkins move down is he? How about Calzaghe move up, so that when he loses he can still keep his titles. And I have no clue why you think that Hopkins somehow dodged Calzaghe. You'd have a better chance saying that James Toney dodged him too. But whenever I heard of Calzaghe on other sites a few years ago, he was always calling out someone called Chicken Ottke. So I don't see how Hopkins dodged him.
The last time I saw it, it was Tarver coming down off the blubberman kick....
You are showing a complete ignorance of boxing with this shite you are saying. Hopkins could have faced Calzaghe years ago. But he didnt. And he wont ever.
You have seen Calzaghe fight perhaps 2 times max....get an education!!! ;D
Prove to me that Calzaghe tried to make that fight with Hopkins. Because it sounds like you're taking opinion and assumption and trying to make it fact. And downgrading me won't prove a point. Unless you can prove fact that Calzaghe tried to make that fight. And I dont mean an interview where Calzaghe said "I would like to fight Hopkins, Toney all of them." I mean an actual attempt at a purse bit that his promoter and Hopkins promoter(whether it was Dibella, or Duva at the time) tried to make. Until then you only have your opinion which you're entitled to. But don't try to pass it off as fact and try to make yourself look big by trying to diss me. You will just make an ass out of yourself and we don't need that.
Here's the proof Gus. Hope this helps. ;)
Calzaghe: I'll fight Hopkins anywhere
Friday July 4, 2003
Joe Calzaghe, the World Boxing Organisation super-middleweight champion, is prepared to travel to the United States to face the world's No1 middleweight Bernard Hopkins in what is seen as a career-defining fight for the undefeated Welshman.
"This is the fight I have wanted above all others for the last few years," he said, "and it is the one the boxing world wants."
Since Calzaghe's two-round win over the highly rated Byron Mitchell in Cardiff on Saturday, Hopkins, 38, has said he would be prepared step up to super-middleweight and face him, but only if the fight takes place before the end of next January and only if it is in the US.
"I have no problems taking the fight on his territory," said the 31-year-old Calzaghe. "My message to him is: 'You want it, you got it.' He can have it anywhere and any time."
Hopkins' promoter Don King and Calzaghe's backer Frank Warren reached agreement for a fight last year, and the US television station Showtime was prepared to underwrite the event. But after a $3m (£1.8m) payday had been agreed, the fight fell through when Hopkins doubled his purse demands.
Warren has confirmed he is trying to reopen negotiations. "But he has had opportunities to make money since [beating Felix] Trinidad [in 2001] and has walked away. He is the only fighter I know who seems hell-bent on going from Park Lane to Brick Lane."
Calzaghe underlined his determination to get the fight, laying down a challenge to Hopkins. "Don't find an excuse to let our fight slip away," he said. "I have taken up your challenge to face you in America, so honour your words."
http://sport.guardian.co.uk/boxing/s...991029,00.html
CC for the article I asked for
But I still don't see how that's ducking.
Hopkins said "I want this much money" The promoters said "To hell with it" and the fight fell through.
It would be ducking imo if Hopkins said he wouldn't fight him at all(like what Lennox Lewis did to Byrd and Ruiz).
But Hopkins didnt duck Calzaghe, by that article it sounds like Hopkins was just being Hopkins. If you're going to call that ducking then you may aswell say that Ray Robinson ducked about 15 fighters in his time. I saw this documentary on the great Sugar Ray where they said he was a prick to deal with because of the purses he wanted and etc and that if he didnt get what he want he would quit, even if it was the night of the fight.
If thats true then I wouldn't call what Hopkins is doing ducking.
I don't see it as ducking, but I see it as pricing yourself. If you call that ducking then you should say that Mayweather attempted to duck Artuto Gatti for 2 months.
And lets me frank here, back then in the US people would only be tuning in to see what Hopkins would do next and it wouldn't be that big of a sell since Calzaghe wasnt the name then that he is now. I think we could all agree on that. If the fight were to happen today then you have a huge fight, but back then, not really huge fight, not as huge as it would be.
Thats my opinion of it anyway.
Re: Calzaghe: Give me Hopkins next
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Originally Posted by galaxy76
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Originally Posted by 'The Boxer'
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Originally Posted by miles
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Joe by UD. Too many weapons for Hopkins.
back at ya :coolclick:
At this stage yes. Hopkins is old. People are forgeting this. He had issues with Taylor in the last fight. And now because he beat Tarver he will beat Calzaghe!!!! ;D
Bollocks!!
no it sounds like now that calzage beat lacy people think he can beat hopkins
bollocks!!
cc bro, thats how it seems to me
Re: Calzaghe: Give me Hopkins next
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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maybe i'm just blinded but i don't joe landing on hopkin very much.
well he would calzaghe throws alot and hopkins couldnt avoid all them combinations all the time
but B-HOP is a master counter puncher.....and B-HOP has mad power when he wants to turn it up...
Re: Calzaghe: Give me Hopkins next
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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maybe i'm just blinded but i don't joe landing on hopkin very much.
well he would calzaghe throws alot and hopkins couldnt avoid all them combinations all the time
but B-HOP is a master counter puncher.....and B-HOP has mad power when he wants to turn it up...
I agree, even at this stage of his career Hopkins is still better than Calzaghe period
Re: Calzaghe: Give me Hopkins next
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Originally Posted by 'The Boxer'
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Originally Posted by miles
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Joe by UD. Too many weapons for Hopkins.
At this stage yes. Hopkins is old. People are forgeting this. He had issues with Taylor in the last fight. And now because he beat Tarver he will beat Calzaghe!!!! ;D
Bollocks!!
no it sounds like now that calzage beat lacy people think he can beat hopkins
bollocks!!
its nothing to do with that at all ive got joe calzaghe career set and he has got awesome skills good chin great speed wright is defensive master but isnt as fast and is smaller calzaghe throwing all them bombs through 12 rounds u think wright would be able to deal with that ?? taylor got razor thin draw and just about beat an old hopkins calzaghe beats taylor and hopkins and its got nothing to do with me being english or me liking calzaghe from what ive seen calzaghe has got some of the best skills ive seen in ring for while and his stamina is excellent i just think he has too much for them
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by Majesty
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Originally Posted by miles
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Calzaghe pulling a Tarver trying to make Hopkins move down is he? How about Calzaghe move up, so that when he loses he can still keep his titles. And I have no clue why you think that Hopkins somehow dodged Calzaghe. You'd have a better chance saying that James Toney dodged him too. But whenever I heard of Calzaghe on other sites a few years ago, he was always calling out someone called Chicken Ottke. So I don't see how Hopkins dodged him.
The last time I saw it, it was Tarver coming down off the blubberman kick....
You are showing a complete ignorance of boxing with this shite you are saying. Hopkins could have faced Calzaghe years ago. But he didnt. And he wont ever.
You have seen Calzaghe fight perhaps 2 times max....get an education!!! ;D
Prove to me that Calzaghe tried to make that fight with Hopkins. Because it sounds like you're taking opinion and assumption and trying to make it fact. And downgrading me won't prove a point. Unless you can prove fact that Calzaghe tried to make that fight. And I dont mean an interview where Calzaghe said "I would like to fight Hopkins, Toney all of them." I mean an actual attempt at a purse bit that his promoter and Hopkins promoter(whether it was Dibella, or Duva at the time) tried to make. Until then you only have your opinion which you're entitled to. But don't try to pass it off as fact and try to make yourself look big by trying to diss me. You will just make an ass out of yourself and we don't need that.
Here's the proof Gus. Hope this helps. ;)
Calzaghe: I'll fight Hopkins anywhere
Friday July 4, 2003
Joe Calzaghe, the World Boxing Organisation super-middleweight champion, is prepared to travel to the United States to face the world's No1 middleweight Bernard Hopkins in what is seen as a career-defining fight for the undefeated Welshman.
"This is the fight I have wanted above all others for the last few years," he said, "and it is the one the boxing world wants."
Since Calzaghe's two-round win over the highly rated Byron Mitchell in Cardiff on Saturday, Hopkins, 38, has said he would be prepared step up to super-middleweight and face him, but only if the fight takes place before the end of next January and only if it is in the US.
"I have no problems taking the fight on his territory," said the 31-year-old Calzaghe. "My message to him is: 'You want it, you got it.' He can have it anywhere and any time."
Hopkins' promoter Don King and Calzaghe's backer Frank Warren reached agreement for a fight last year, and the US television station Showtime was prepared to underwrite the event. But after a $3m (£1.8m) payday had been agreed, the fight fell through when Hopkins doubled his purse demands.
Warren has confirmed he is trying to reopen negotiations. "But he has had opportunities to make money since [beating Felix] Trinidad [in 2001] and has walked away. He is the only fighter I know who seems hell-bent on going from Park Lane to Brick Lane."
Calzaghe underlined his determination to get the fight, laying down a challenge to Hopkins. "Don't find an excuse to let our fight slip away," he said. "I have taken up your challenge to face you in America, so honour your words."
http://sport.guardian.co.uk/boxing/s...991029,00.html
CC for the article I asked for
But I still don't see how that's ducking.
Hopkins said "I want this much money" The promoters said "To hell with it" and the fight fell through. It would be ducking imo if Hopkins said he wouldn't fight him at all(like what Lennox Lewis did to Byrd and Ruiz).
If thats true then I wouldn't call what Hopkins is doing ducking.
And lets me frank here, back then in the US people would only be tuning in to see what Hopkins would do next and it wouldn't be that big of a sell since Calzaghe wasnt the name then that he is now. I think we could all agree on that. If the fight were to happen today then you have a huge fight, but back then, not really huge fight, not as huge as it would be.
Thats my opinion of it anyway.
Well I think you're being a bit naive here Gus. Pricing yourself OUT can be for only one reason - you dont want to fight.
The $3 millon dollars for the Calzaghe fight would of been Hopkins career highest purse. (He got $2.5 million against Trinidad)
Hopkins then went on to face Hakkar, Joppy etc for no where near as much. Around $300,000 DOLLARS!!! for the Joppy fight.
Hey I dont blame Hopkins for not fighting Calzaghe. If he had took the fight he'd of most likely blown the Oscar fight and his chance to make an easy $10 million dollars. He's a smart guy.
Calzaghe takes the flak for not fighting the superstars but theres nothing he can do about it if they're not willing to face him. ;)
Re: Calzaghe: Give me Hopkins next
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Originally Posted by Majesty
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Originally Posted by miles
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Calzaghe pulling a Tarver trying to make Hopkins move down is he? How about Calzaghe move up, so that when he loses he can still keep his titles. And I have no clue why you think that Hopkins somehow dodged Calzaghe. You'd have a better chance saying that James Toney dodged him too. But whenever I heard of Calzaghe on other sites a few years ago, he was always calling out someone called Chicken Ottke. So I don't see how Hopkins dodged him.
The last time I saw it, it was Tarver coming down off the blubberman kick....
You are showing a complete ignorance of boxing with this shite you are saying. Hopkins could have faced Calzaghe years ago. But he didnt. And he wont ever.
You have seen Calzaghe fight perhaps 2 times max....get an education!!! ;D
Prove to me that Calzaghe tried to make that fight with Hopkins. Because it sounds like you're taking opinion and assumption and trying to make it fact. And downgrading me won't prove a point. Unless you can prove fact that Calzaghe tried to make that fight. And I dont mean an interview where Calzaghe said "I would like to fight Hopkins, Toney all of them." I mean an actual attempt at a purse bit that his promoter and Hopkins promoter(whether it was Dibella, or Duva at the time) tried to make. Until then you only have your opinion which you're entitled to. But don't try to pass it off as fact and try to make yourself look big by trying to diss me. You will just make an a** out of yourself and we don't need that.
Here's the proof Gus. Hope this helps. ;)
Calzaghe: I'll fight Hopkins anywhere
Friday July 4, 2003
Joe Calzaghe, the World Boxing Organisation super-middleweight champion, is prepared to travel to the United States to face the world's No1 middleweight Bernard Hopkins in what is seen as a career-defining fight for the undefeated Welshman.
"This is the fight I have wanted above all others for the last few years," he said, "and it is the one the boxing world wants."
Since Calzaghe's two-round win over the highly rated Byron Mitchell in Cardiff on Saturday, Hopkins, 38, has said he would be prepared step up to super-middleweight and face him, but only if the fight takes place before the end of next January and only if it is in the US.
"I have no problems taking the fight on his territory," said the 31-year-old Calzaghe. "My message to him is: 'You want it, you got it.' He can have it anywhere and any time."
Hopkins' promoter Don King and Calzaghe's backer Frank Warren reached agreement for a fight last year, and the US television station Showtime was prepared to underwrite the event. But after a $3m (£1.8m) payday had been agreed, the fight fell through when Hopkins doubled his purse demands.
Warren has confirmed he is trying to reopen negotiations. "But he has had opportunities to make money since [beating Felix] Trinidad [in 2001] and has walked away. He is the only fighter I know who seems hell-bent on going from Park Lane to Brick Lane."
Calzaghe underlined his determination to get the fight, laying down a challenge to Hopkins. "Don't find an excuse to let our fight slip away," he said. "I have taken up your challenge to face you in America, so honour your words."
http://sport.guardian.co.uk/boxing/s...991029,00.html
CC for the article I asked for
But I still don't see how that's ducking.
Hopkins said "I want this much money" The promoters said "To hell with it" and the fight fell through. It would be ducking imo if Hopkins said he wouldn't fight him at all(like what Lennox Lewis did to Byrd and Ruiz).
If thats true then I wouldn't call what Hopkins is doing ducking.
And lets me frank here, back then in the US people would only be tuning in to see what Hopkins would do next and it wouldn't be that big of a sell since Calzaghe wasnt the name then that he is now. I think we could all agree on that. If the fight were to happen today then you have a huge fight, but back then, not really huge fight, not as huge as it would be.
Thats my opinion of it anyway.
Well I think you're being a bit naive here Gus. Pricing yourself OUT can be for only one reason - you dont want to fight.
The $3 millon dollars for the Calzaghe fight would of been Hopkins career highest purse. (He got $2.5 million against Trinidad)
Hopkins then went on to face Hakkar, Joppy etc for no where near as much. Around $300,000 DOLLARS!!! for the Joppy fight.
Hey I dont blame Hopkins for not fighting Calzaghe. If he had took the fight he'd of most likely blown the Oscar fight and his chance to make an easy $10 million dollars. He's a smart guy.
Calzaghe takes the flak for not fighting the superstars but theres nothing he can do about it if they're not willing to face him. ;)
Well said mate :coolclick:
