Re: I'm sorry but ODLH is garbage!!!
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Originally Posted by albsur2006
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Originally Posted by Lyle
This is really going to add to your sad clicks
He beat the F*** out of Vargas, Chavez, Mayorga, Campas, Gatti, Carr,....he's F****** great
He seriously lost two (Mosley I, Hopkins) times and he got 2 maybe 3 (Sturm, Whittaker, Quartey) decisions he didn't deserve.
VS Mosley in the rematch he got jobbed, vs Trinidad he got jobbed but it was his fault for staying on the bike in the later rounds instead of going for the stoppage.
If Oscar sucks, Mayweather is lower than Whale S***!
I'm not worried about sad clicks. How does Mayweather suck? The guy is a true boxer and the best fighter in the world. Nobody could ever say that about De La Hoya. De La Hoya was never the best boxer of his time. You even said that he ran like a wuss in the Trinidad fight. Come on, I don't think anyone took Vargas seriously after he got owned by Trinidad. And Mayorga is third on your list? HAHAHAHAHA!!! You've got to be kidding. Let's be honest, De La Hoya shouldn't be in the same sentence as PBF, because PBF is just in a much better league. De La Hoya used his overwhelming size advantage in the earlier stages of his career, but as he moved up, he becamse ordinary. PBF is two weight classes out of his natural weight class and he's still dominating. U can't be serious.
You know...I got halfway through the stupidity & decided to stop reading on both your posts.
Oscar & Floyd are two of the most gifted fighters to grace the square circle in the past decade.
Honestly...I just don't get any of you people anymore. You say the most ignorant things & you make the most ridiculous points to support your ham handed arguements.
Often in the past...I've agreed with some of the things that the two of you have said...now I'm just fwockin ashamed that I did.
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Originally Posted by Lyle
This is really going to add to your sad clicks
He beat the F*** out of Vargas, Chavez, Mayorga, Campas, Gatti, Carr,....he's F****** great
He seriously lost two (Mosley I, Hopkins) times and he got 2 maybe 3 (Sturm, Whittaker, Quartey) decisions he didn't deserve.
VS Mosley in the rematch he got jobbed, vs Trinidad he got jobbed but it was his fault for staying on the bike in the later rounds instead of going for the stoppage.
If Oscar sucks, Mayweather is lower than Whale S***!
I'm not worried about sad clicks. How does Mayweather suck? The guy is a true boxer and the best fighter in the world. Nobody could ever say that about De La Hoya. De La Hoya was never the best boxer of his time. You even said that he ran like a wuss in the Trinidad fight. Come on, I don't think anyone took Vargas seriously after he got owned by Trinidad. And Mayorga is third on your list? HAHAHAHAHA!!! You've got to be kidding. Let's be honest, De La Hoya shouldn't be in the same sentence as PBF, because PBF is just in a much better league. De La Hoya used his overwhelming size advantage in the earlier stages of his career, but as he moved up, he becamse ordinary. PBF is two weight classes out of his natural weight class and he's still dominating. U can't be serious.
You know...I got halfway through the stupidity & decided to stop reading on both your posts.
Oscar & Floyd are two of the most gifted fighters to grace the square circle in the past decade.
Honestly...I just don't get any of you people anymore. You say the most ignorant things & you make the most ridiculous points to support your ham handed arguements.
Often in the past...I've agreed with some of the things that the two of you have said...now I'm just fwockin ashamed that I did.
Oh give me a break. Sometimes we all reach when trying to make a point. You're acting like you've never badmouthed a fighter or questioned a fighter's record before. We've all said that different fighters are overrated or underrated before. If I started a post saying that I think Allan Green is the future of super middleweight, I'd get a million posts saying blah blah blah. That's the point of posting opinions. To get a consensus. It seems that the consensus is that I'm wrong. OK, I'll take the loss, I'll still believe ODLH was and is extremely overrated. I tried to prove it with logic but apparently the consensus says that my evidence is unfounded. Fine. But give me a break with that holier than thou stuff. No one is perfect and everyone believes different things.
Re: I'm sorry but ODLH is garbage!!!
I really dont care if you favour PFB over ODLH. However, saying ODLH is 'garbage' is probably the most fucked up thing I have ever read on any boxing website/forum.
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This is really going to add to your sad clicks
Ahhhh, Why didnt I think of posting shit like this !!
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I really dont care if you favour PFB over ODLH. However, saying ODLH is 'garbage' is probably the most fucked up thing I have ever read on any boxing website/forum.
You don't read to much do you?
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My take on ODLH record since 1996:
Ricardo Mayorga 153½ 28-5-1 (Let's not go here please, Mayorga was nothing but a club fighter who Forrest thought he could go toe to toe with)
Bernard Hopkins 156 44-2-1 (He showed up flabby, out of shape, and lost)
Felix Sturm 160 20-0-0 (Christmas came early)
Shane Mosley 154 38-2-0 (Christmas came early for Mosley, but ODLH still couldn't use his physical size advantage to dominate Mosley?)
Yory Boy Campas 153½ 80-5-0 (Come on, and this shit was on PPV, Campas was served up for ODLH on a platter)
Fernando Vargas 154 22-1-0 (Vargas was just like DeLaHoya but worse, fought good fighters well, but came up short against the best of his era)
Javier Castillejo 154 51-4-0 (Quality win over a good fighter)
Arturo Gatti 146 33-4-0 (Just like Vargas but worse)
Shane Mosley 147 34-0-0 (He got outhustled and lost to the smaller man)
Derrell Coley 147 34-1-2 (Who?)
Felix Trinidad 147 35-0-0 (He mysteriously turned into Carl Lewis and paid for it)
Oba Carr 147 48-2-1 (Good quality win)
Ike Quartey 146½ 34-0-1 (Even though I had Quartey winning by one point along with several other people who watched the fight, I will say that this is probably ODLH best win)
Julio Cesar Chavez 144½ 101-2-2 (I don't care what his record says, for god sakes, by this time the wars had caught up with JCC)
Patrick Charpentier 146 27-4-1 (OK?)
Wilfredo Rivera 147 27-2-1 (Decent win)
Hector Camacho 147 63-3-1 (Whoever took Camacho seriously as a fighter, the guy padded his record on the east coast with fighters who belong in a nearby dumpster)
David Kamau 146¾ 28-1-0 (Good win)
Pernell Whitaker 146 40-1-1 (Yeah, he barely won this fight against a little cracked out washed up Whitaker, BTW Whitaker lost or no contested his next three fights)
Miguel Angel Gonzalez 140 41-0-0 (Great win at this stage in his career)
Julio Cesar Chavez 139 97-1-1 (Maybe best win of his career)
Darryl Tyson 139 47-8-1 (Filler win)
I am actually a fan of floyd but this must be done for floyd as well.
Carlos Manuel Baldomir 43-9-6, (sure he was the lineal welterweight champion, but who is going to remember him 10 or 15 years from now)
Zab Judah 34-3-0, ( is probably the most inconsistent fighter of recent times and floyd fought zab after his collosal upset loss to baldomir, neverthless zab confounded floyd for 5 rounds until he gassed out)
Sharmba Mitchell 56-4-0, (a solid contender at best but way past his prime, when floyd fought him)
Arturo Gatti 39-7-0, (Does one even has to speculate on this)
Henry Bruseles 21-2-1, (Henry who, this was more like a sparring session)
DeMarcus Corley 28-2-1, (Decent fighter who rocked mayweather in the fight)
Phillip N'dou 31-1-0, (I can't even remember the last time I saw a n'dou fight)
Jose Luis Castillo 46-5-1, (Most likely the best name on floyd's resume, beat floyd the first time only to get robbed)
Jesus Chavez 36-1-0, (Good fighter and gave mayweather a little trouble in the fight)
Carlos Hernandez 33-2-1, (No pushover but certainly not a great fighter)
Diego Corrales 33-0-0, (Is considered his signature performance, floyd beat a guy who was twice his size, probably the last time floyd took a risk)
I love watching floyd fight but the point of this is one can always look amazing when fighting average opponents.
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Those opponents aren't average for the last 10 years of boxing are they? Were there any better fighters Floyd could fight back then and on his way up? Other then Casamayor
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Those opponents aren't average for the last 10 years of boxing are they? Were there any better fighters Floyd could fight back then and on his way up? Other then Casamayor
With these opponents on his resume floyd can't retire and claim he was the greatest of all time and his legacy will always be remembered
Re: I'm sorry but ODLH is garbage!!!
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Originally Posted by albsur2006
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Originally Posted by albsur2006
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Originally Posted by Lyle
This is really going to add to your sad clicks
He beat the F*** out of Vargas, Chavez, Mayorga, Campas, Gatti, Carr,....he's F****** great
He seriously lost two (Mosley I, Hopkins) times and he got 2 maybe 3 (Sturm, Whittaker, Quartey) decisions he didn't deserve.
VS Mosley in the rematch he got jobbed, vs Trinidad he got jobbed but it was his fault for staying on the bike in the later rounds instead of going for the stoppage.
If Oscar sucks, Mayweather is lower than Whale S***!
I'm not worried about sad clicks. How does Mayweather suck? The guy is a true boxer and the best fighter in the world. Nobody could ever say that about De La Hoya. De La Hoya was never the best boxer of his time. You even said that he ran like a wuss in the Trinidad fight. Come on, I don't think anyone took Vargas seriously after he got owned by Trinidad. And Mayorga is third on your list? HAHAHAHAHA!!! You've got to be kidding. Let's be honest, De La Hoya shouldn't be in the same sentence as PBF, because PBF is just in a much better league. De La Hoya used his overwhelming size advantage in the earlier stages of his career, but as he moved up, he becamse ordinary.
PBF is two weight classes out of his natural weight class and he's still dominating. U can't be serious.
Oscar started at 135 pound and he is argueably the best at 154 today do the math mate ::**
From what you have seen of Mayweather at 140 (Corely, Brussles, Gatti) and 147 (Mitchell, Judah, Baldomir) you honestly think Mayweather could of beat Chavez, Whitaker, Quartey, Trinidad and Mosley all at
147 pound?
Get off the grass man ;D
Ummm, I think you were too busy sad clicking me to read what I was writing. I don't think anyone will agree with you here. ODLH was a MASSIVE 135 and 140, when he moved up to 147 and above, where he didn't have as much physical advantages, he was ordinary. PBF doesn't belong at 147 and is barely a true 140 pounder and he has dominated every fighter he's face from both weight classes. You can talk about Judah,
but let's not forget Judah was the undisputed unified Welterweight champion at the beginning of this year and viciously knocked out a boxing master who fights at 154 (Spinks) to get those belts. And didn't ODLH fight Gatti too? Does that fight not count for ODLH?
I don't click period. Whether someone is big for their weight or not is irrelevent. Fact is ODH has belts at 6 weights PBF has belts at 4 plain and simple. Lets also not forget that Judah was nearly stopped by the feather fisted Baldomir right before he fought PBF and didn't deserve the fight anyway!!
Mayweather hasn't fought anyone listed on a p4p list since Featherweight, Oscar has fought half a dozen. At least we know how good Oscar is, you are just ASSUMING Floyd is as good as you say!! there simply is not enough proof.
It was Oscar that destroyed a 29 year old Gatti!! go and get yourself a tape of Gatti v Robinson and tell me it was the same Gatti Floyd fought?
It is easy to look good when you aren't fighting the best. ;)
CHURCH!
You got that right.
CC4U
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Originally Posted by Lyle
This is really going to add to your sad clicks
He beat the F*** out of Vargas, Chavez, Mayorga, Campas, Gatti, Carr,....he's F****** great
He seriously lost two (Mosley I, Hopkins) times and he got 2 maybe 3 (Sturm, Whittaker, Quartey) decisions he didn't deserve.
VS Mosley in the rematch he got jobbed, vs Trinidad he got jobbed but it was his fault for staying on the bike in the later rounds instead of going for the stoppage.
If Oscar sucks, Mayweather is lower than Whale S***!
I'm not worried about sad clicks. How does Mayweather suck? The guy is a true boxer and the best fighter in the world. Nobody could ever say that about De La Hoya. De La Hoya was never the best boxer of his time. You even said that he ran like a wuss in the Trinidad fight. Come on, I don't think anyone took Vargas seriously after he got owned by Trinidad. And Mayorga is third on your list? HAHAHAHAHA!!! You've got to be kidding. Let's be honest, De La Hoya shouldn't be in the same sentence as PBF, because PBF is just in a much better league. De La Hoya used his overwhelming size advantage in the earlier stages of his career, but as he moved up, he becamse ordinary.
PBF is two weight classes out of his natural weight class and he's still dominating. U can't be serious.
Oscar started at 135 pound and he is argueably the best at 154 today do the math mate ::**
From what you have seen of Mayweather at 140 (Corely, Brussles, Gatti) and 147 (Mitchell, Judah, Baldomir) you honestly think Mayweather could of beat Chavez, Whitaker, Quartey, Trinidad and Mosley all at
147 pound?
Get off the grass man ;D
Ummm, I think you were too busy sad clicking me to read what I was writing. I don't think anyone will agree with you here. ODLH was a MASSIVE 135 and 140, when he moved up to 147 and above, where he didn't have as much physical advantages, he was ordinary. PBF doesn't belong at 147 and is barely a true 140 pounder and he has dominated every fighter he's face from both weight classes. You can talk about Judah,
but let's not forget Judah was the undisputed unified Welterweight champion at the beginning of this year and viciously knocked out a boxing master who fights at 154 (Spinks) to get those belts. And didn't ODLH fight Gatti too? Does that fight not count for ODLH?
I don't click period. Whether someone is big for their weight or not is irrelevent. Fact is ODH has belts at 6 weights PBF has belts at 4 plain and simple. Lets also not forget that Judah was nearly stopped by the feather fisted Baldomir right before he fought PBF and didn't deserve the fight anyway!!
Mayweather hasn't fought anyone listed on a p4p list since Featherweight, Oscar has fought half a dozen. At least we know how good Oscar is, you are just ASSUMING Floyd is as good as you say!! there simply is not enough proof.
It was Oscar that destroyed a 29 year old Gatti!! go and get yourself a tape of Gatti v Robinson and tell me it was the same Gatti Floyd fought?
It is easy to look good when you aren't fighting the best. ;)
CHURCH!
You got that right.
CC4U
I dont know if you can call anyone that KOed Gatti "feather-fisted". Baldomir can hit. He's a better fighter than you give him credit for.
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Baldomir...despite his "cinderella" story...is just not that skilled a fighter. He beat a shot Gatti and upset Zab...but we all know Zab is a mental case. I am not trying to disrespect Baldo...but people need to have sense. He is a slow fighter...perfect for Floyd...just like Gatti was. I have stated before that Floyd is a tremendous boxer...but his fans need to stop using his recent fights as an example of his skills. That's just absurd. Nothing makes a fighter look better than fighting opponents that are custome made for them. You take a fast fighter with great skills and match him with slow or shot fighters...guess what....he is going to look fantastic. As for comparing Mayweather's resume to Oscar's...i cannot believe ANYONE would even think there is a comparision. Love him or hate him...Oscar has fought great fighters. Add to that...he is mega popular....wealthy...and a successful business man....you can see why people would hate on him. Floyd's dream is to be in Oscar's place.
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Dont really get this post I agree oscar is mor eof a business man now and I always thought he was a little bit of a pussy but... he fought most of the best fighters.. he did I thought take a dive against bernard... but by the same token floyd mayweather doesnt impress me that much.. hes god fast hands great defense but again who has he beaten??? Gatti? Baldomir with in excess of 11 losses?????? Struggled against castillo???? Hes good but he aint that good ands his statement that sugar ray wouldnt be in the top ten is the stupides thing I have ever heard. Who the hell is around now??? I think it may be the other way around, roberto duran, hearns hagler, etc, all better by far than oscar delhoya or moisley who is kidding who?????
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comparing Floyd's ring record to Oscar Delahoya is ridiculous. That is like comparing Virgil Hills to Tommy Hearns, and you see what happened when they fought. Floyd has fought good guys but not the guys on Oscar's record.
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This is really going to add to your sad clicks
He beat the F*** out of Vargas, Chavez, Mayorga, Campas, Gatti, Carr,....he's F****** great
He seriously lost two (Mosley I, Hopkins) times and he got 2 maybe 3 (Sturm, Whittaker, Quartey) decisions he didn't deserve.
VS Mosley in the rematch he got jobbed, vs Trinidad he got jobbed but it was his fault for staying on the bike in the later rounds instead of going for the stoppage.
If Oscar sucks, Mayweather is lower than Whale S***!
I'm not worried about sad clicks. How does Mayweather suck? The guy is a true boxer and the best fighter in the world. Nobody could ever say that about De La Hoya. De La Hoya was never the best boxer of his time. You even said that he ran like a wuss in the Trinidad fight. Come on, I don't think anyone took Vargas seriously after he got owned by Trinidad. And Mayorga is third on your list? HAHAHAHAHA!!! You've got to be kidding. Let's be honest, De La Hoya shouldn't be in the same sentence as PBF, because PBF is just in a much better league. De La Hoya used his overwhelming size advantage in the earlier stages of his career, but as he moved up, he becamse ordinary.
PBF is two weight classes out of his natural weight class and he's still dominating. U can't be serious.
Oscar started at 135 pound and he is argueably the best at 154 today do the math mate ::**
From what you have seen of Mayweather at 140 (Corely, Brussles, Gatti) and 147 (Mitchell, Judah, Baldomir) you honestly think Mayweather could of beat Chavez, Whitaker, Quartey, Trinidad and Mosley all at
147 pound?
Get off the grass man ;D
Ummm, I think you were too busy sad clicking me to read what I was writing. I don't think anyone will agree with you here. ODLH was a MASSIVE 135 and 140, when he moved up to 147 and above, where he didn't have as much physical advantages, he was ordinary. PBF doesn't belong at 147 and is barely a true 140 pounder and he has dominated every fighter he's face from both weight classes. You can talk about Judah,
but let's not forget Judah was the undisputed unified Welterweight champion at the beginning of this year and viciously knocked out a boxing master who fights at 154 (Spinks) to get those belts. And didn't ODLH fight Gatti too? Does that fight not count for ODLH?
I don't click period. Whether someone is big for their weight or not is irrelevent. Fact is ODH has belts at 6 weights PBF has belts at 4 plain and simple. Lets also not forget that Judah was nearly stopped by the feather fisted Baldomir right before he fought PBF and didn't deserve the fight anyway!!
Mayweather hasn't fought anyone listed on a p4p list since Featherweight, Oscar has fought half a dozen. At least we know how good Oscar is, you are just ASSUMING Floyd is as good as you say!! there simply is not enough proof.
It was Oscar that destroyed a 29 year old Gatti!! go and get yourself a tape of Gatti v Robinson and tell me it was the same Gatti Floyd fought?
It is easy to look good when you aren't fighting the best. ;)
CHURCH!
You got that right.
CC4U
I dont know if you can call anyone that KOed Gatti "feather-fisted". Baldomir can hit. He's a better fighter than you give him credit for.
Apparently I gave him to much credit, I thought he would of given Floyd a bit more trouble than he did so credit to PBF for fighting the smart technically brilliant albeit boring fight. ;D
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Originally Posted by zhubin
Baldomir...despite his "cinderella" story...is just not that skilled a fighter. He beat a shot Gatti and upset Zab...but we all know Zab is a mental case. I am not trying to disrespect Baldo...but people need to have sense. He is a slow fighter...perfect for Floyd...just like Gatti was. I have stated before that Floyd is a tremendous boxer...but his fans need to stop using his recent fights as an example of his skills. That's just absurd. Nothing makes a fighter look better than fighting opponents that are custome made for them. You take a fast fighter with great skills and match him with slow or shot fighters...guess what....he is going to look fantastic. As for comparing Mayweather's resume to Oscar's...i cannot believe ANYONE would even think there is a comparision. Love him or hate him...Oscar has fought great fighters. Add to that...he is mega popular....wealthy...and a successful business man....you can see why people would hate on him. Floyd's dream is to be in Oscar's place.
I couldnt agree more,
pickin your way through the pack can make you a leader ,doesnt make you the king of it.
