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right ill say one more thing i dont dislike u at all i just think prime tyson unbeatable is nonsense he wasnt inexperienced because he beat berbick the same year u cant keep making excuses for him because someone does well agaisnt him in his prime anyway night  ;D
How can anyone say Foreman knocks out Vitali because Vitali has never been knocked down let alone out.There is nothing to gauge it on.Foreman has been put down by Young and Ali and I am sure Vitali was a harder puncher than both of them.As far as Holyfield I think it would have gone to the cards with Vitali winning a close decision.
Evander beats both of these big lummoxes IMO.
He was far too quick & skillful for both of them, plus his titanium chin would have ensured that they wouldn't have KO'd him.
He had tremendous strength for a 'little guy', so that would not have been an issue against either.
He also had underrated power, but he would not have KO'd the granite chinned Foreman, but he would have TKO'd VK IMO.
Vitali might get beat by Holyfield but he would not get KO'd that's a fucking given
....and Evander couldn't even knock down the OLD Foreman a Prime Foreman would have blasted Evander out of the water with ease
vitali was never in with someone who hit as hard as foreman so u cant say that only real hard hitter he fought was lewis young knockdown was more of a slip ali knockdown was foreman punching himself out so can i ask u something u think vitali beats all other heavyweights ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
Ron Lyle knockdown?
Now I can't speak for Klitschkofan, but as for myself.....I don't say Vitali beats EVERYONE ALL-TIME, but he's a fucking difficult fight for ANYONE.
Size, style, power.....he's like a BIGGER Jack Johnson honestly
yes i agree with that i dont think he would be easy nights work for anyoneQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
You do go overboard sometimes, Lyle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Jack Johnson had more skills in his little finger than that big overrated machine like robot Vitali. Stylewise they are totally different.
Stylewise they are NOT totally different...pawing jab, lean back stance, big right hand, good chin....the differences???
Old Foreman was actually a better, more streetwise fighter than young Foreman.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Young Foreman just relied on brute strength to overpower his opponents, whereas as Old George paced himself a lot better, plus he always had a granite chin.
Vitali was manufactured through the old Soviet amateur style - he retained vestiges of that throughout his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
It's a bit unfair to say they both had pawaing jabs and big right hands, plus leaning back style because many thousands of boxers use these techniques.
Johnson used a circular waving defence (almost like the bare knuckle fighters), he had much much better head movement that Vitali, Johnson used the uppercut to devastating effect because he liked to draw fighters in to infight them. Klit liked them at a distance and his best punch was the long right.
I still think they are different!!!! (IMO only, mind you)
understood...I'll give you a cc for agreeing to disagree
LOL, I hadn't thought about it that way. Anyway I'd say Foreman in his prime kayos VK. I think it would be a toss up versus Holyfield because Riddick Bowe, another large heavyweight did beat him in his prime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Von Milash
Ok #1, Foreman suffered from heat exhaustion in the Jimmy Young fight. He collapsed more than was knocked out. Vitali can most likely hit harder than Ali but is nowhere near as scientific of a fighter. Ali had a master plan executed to a 'T' to beat Big George back then and he still got pretty lucky doing it. Vitali is not a scientific fighter, he can box but he's mostly a bomber that trades with you. That would never work with a young Foreman, who was one of the hardest punching heavyweights ever. Foreman would definitely KO him IMO. Another thing is the speed factor. As far as speed VK and Foreman were about equal. You gotta be way faster than Foreman to do what Ali did to him. In short, VK is no Muhammad Ali and will never be a shadow of the fighter that Ali was. He came about during a time where there was no one to fight so maybe we wont ever know how good he was and how hard he hit, but IMO all he has ever done was beat up a bunch of lackluster contenders that never would have even been consideredQuote:
Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
'C-'level opponents in George's day.