Re: Kessler offers Calzaghe $3,4 mill
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by 1st rd ko
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Originally Posted by jangeorg
Ok let us stick to the facts
It is not like Mikkel Kessler is calling out a retired champion. I mean, if Kessler called out some former champ that is now retired, and said that if the former champ does not make a comeback, the former champ will lose all the respect that he gathered through his career. That would be totally wrong. Totally disrespectfull.
But that is not what is happening here. Mikkel Kessler is calling out a champ that is at the peak of his career. He is calling out a champ that claims he is number one in this weight division. Mikkel says "OK prove it against me and you can have all 4 belts and there will be no doubt that you are number one" But the great champ does not answer this challenge.
Calzaghe thinks too much of himself and too little of boxing fans.
Does he really think he has sealed his legacy ? Does he think that the Lacy fight which Joe himself says was his greatest performance ever will allow him to enter a Hall of Fame. I dont think so do you ? I know he has fought other great opposition. But it is not enough.
He thinks too little of boxing fans because he basically wants us to accept his claim that he is number 1 ON FAITH. He wants us to BELIEVE. He thinks that he does not have to PROOVE it to us. But he does not want to do that. He is above that apparently. But to proove it would be so very simple for him to do in this situation. But no.
If this situation does not anger boxing fans then.... I dont know. A great moment in boxing history is flushed out the toilet because of one man who has the audacity and boldness to call himself number one without being willing to prove it
:coolclick: being a fan of both men...I can honestly say that this is about the most accurate assestment of the situation.
I'll honestly be ashamed of Joe if he doesn't fight Kessler. This is the situation with all champions. It is expected that they fight the #2 & #3 men. Kessler is #2. He's proven it & he's fought some of the better 168'ers out there.
The fact that most boxing fans know them or not is not the point...they are ranked on the ladder & Kessler has climbed them & stepped over them from Siaca to Mundine to Beyer & now the #1 man is passing on fighting him...saying that he means nothing & that he is not a name...
True boxing fans recognize the fact that the Contender was damned near a joke...I mean face it...it really was. Manfredo falls right in to the laughable category...especially when compared to Kessler.
Ball up Joe & fight Kess...it's the logical respectable option.
I was wondering when Whack was going to step in here. He is right ,the contender is/was damned near a joke. And Manfredo compaired to Kessler isnt even close. I begin to wonder if Joe really is scared to fight Kessler.
;D Right here babe!
I know that there are a few Manfredo fans on here...& I hate to offend...but apples to apples...he aint S*** compared to Kess, nor is his list of opponents.
I just don't understand the rationalization of Calzaghe fans when they agree that Manfredo is a "game & name" opponent...sorry...but that is just bullshit.
Only thing I can figure is that Joe wants to go to Hollywood after boxing. Otherwise why fight some pretender from the contender??
Re: Kessler offers Calzaghe $3,4 mill
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Originally Posted by Lyle
I WANT them to be good (Calzaghe and Kessler).....I just don't like them, that's all....nothing personal.....well at least not towards the fans
Oh I thought your intense dislike of Kessler was very personal AND connected to the fans.
By the way - been watching your posts on the subject lately and im thoroughly impressed with your ability to get every conceivable fact wrong.
You've been so consistant at it that I'm really lost as to whether you do it deliberately or out of plain ignorance.
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All I want is for the guy to prove himself before I start buying into any hype that surrounds the guy.
He fought Mundine in Australia, that's a start he needs to keep moving forward in his career and not go back to fighting bums in Copenhagen
I am the way I am about Kessler due to guys like Royal who think Kessler is a God among men....I don't think so...he MAY be good but he hasn't done anything to prove it yet....besides NOT LOSE which is good but still vs the guys he has fought not really too difficult
Re: Kessler offers Calzaghe $3,4 mill
Seems one of the common complaints about most any fighter, especially those at the top, that they
- are running from the best competition
- are handpicking their fights
- fought other greats past their prime or after someone else beat them down
PBF gets it, RJJ got it, Hopkins from some fans, Hatton gets it, Calzaghe is getting it. ODLH gets it!
If Kessler-Calzaghe never gets made, it will leave a question mark for Kessler even if he is never again defeated. "Yeah, but he never fought the best."
I know, Joe doesn't look like the best right now, but that's largely down-hype. He sure looked good against Lacy - better than expected - and all it takes is for him to do the same again, and he'll be at the top for a month or two. Until the boxing fans start to dismantle him once again. :)
The boxers live in their fantasy world, and we in ours.
Re: Kessler offers Calzaghe $3,4 mill
I don't know who is ducking who and so on and I also have only seen a handful of fights from either boxer, but I would think Calzaghe should be the favorate to win this one if it happens.
Re: Kessler offers Calzaghe $3,4 mill
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Originally Posted by 1st rd ko
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by 1st rd ko
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by jangeorg
Ok let us stick to the facts
It is not like Mikkel Kessler is calling out a retired champion. I mean, if Kessler called out some former champ that is now retired, and said that if the former champ does not make a comeback, the former champ will lose all the respect that he gathered through his career. That would be totally wrong. Totally disrespectfull.
But that is not what is happening here. Mikkel Kessler is calling out a champ that is at the peak of his career. He is calling out a champ that claims he is number one in this weight division. Mikkel says "OK prove it against me and you can have all 4 belts and there will be no doubt that you are number one" But the great champ does not answer this challenge.
Calzaghe thinks too much of himself and too little of boxing fans.
Does he really think he has sealed his legacy ? Does he think that the Lacy fight which Joe himself says was his greatest performance ever will allow him to enter a Hall of Fame. I dont think so do you ? I know he has fought other great opposition. But it is not enough.
He thinks too little of boxing fans because he basically wants us to accept his claim that he is number 1 ON FAITH. He wants us to BELIEVE. He thinks that he does not have to PROOVE it to us. But he does not want to do that. He is above that apparently. But to proove it would be so very simple for him to do in this situation. But no.
If this situation does not anger boxing fans then.... I dont know. A great moment in boxing history is flushed out the toilet because of one man who has the audacity and boldness to call himself number one without being willing to prove it
:coolclick: being a fan of both men...I can honestly say that this is about the most accurate assestment of the situation.
I'll honestly be ashamed of Joe if he doesn't fight Kessler. This is the situation with all champions. It is expected that they fight the #2 & #3 men. Kessler is #2. He's proven it & he's fought some of the better 168'ers out there.
The fact that most boxing fans know them or not is not the point...they are ranked on the ladder & Kessler has climbed them & stepped over them from Siaca to Mundine to Beyer & now the #1 man is passing on fighting him...saying that he means nothing & that he is not a name...
True boxing fans recognize the fact that the Contender was damned near a joke...I mean face it...it really was. Manfredo falls right in to the laughable category...especially when compared to Kessler.
Ball up Joe & fight Kess...it's the logical respectable option.
I was wondering when Whack was going to step in here. He is right ,the contender is/was damned near a joke. And Manfredo compaired to Kessler isnt even close. I begin to wonder if Joe really is scared to fight Kessler.
;D Right here babe!
I know that there are a few Manfredo fans on here...& I hate to offend...but apples to apples...he aint S*** compared to Kess, nor is his list of opponents.
I just don't understand the rationalization of Calzaghe fans when they agree that Manfredo is a "game & name" opponent...sorry...but that is just bullshit.
Only thing I can figure is that Joe wants to go to Hollywood after boxing.
Otherwise why fight some pretender from the contender??
Agreed. 100%. Stupid fight to take...especially if the 3 mill offer from Kess & Team Palle is legit.
That much cash & all those belts? Come on Joe. ::**
Re: Kessler offers Calzaghe $3,4 mill
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Originally Posted by NuthaPug
Seems one of the common complaints about most any fighter, especially those at the top, that they
- are running from the best competition
- are handpicking their fights
- fought other greats past their prime or after someone else beat them down
PBF gets it, RJJ got it, Hopkins from some fans, Hatton gets it, Calzaghe is getting it. ODLH gets it!
If Kessler-Calzaghe never gets made, it will leave a question mark for Kessler even if he is never again defeated. "Yeah, but he never fought the best."
I know, Joe doesn't look like the best right now, but that's largely down-hype. He sure looked good against Lacy - better than expected - and all it takes is for him to do the same again, and he'll be at the top for a month or two. Until the boxing fans start to dismantle him once again. :)
The boxers live in their fantasy world, and we in ours.
I think you got it mixed up - who will be left with the bigger questionmark over their careers if Calzaghe-Kessler doesn't happen.
At least Kessler has been pushing for it to happen. Calzaghe/Warren have been shunning it like the plague.
Add to that that Kessler has time ahead of him to make a noteworthy career - Whereas Calzaghe is almost done for and really hasn't achieved much, except to hang on to that WBO-strap for 9 years, fighting only handpicked opposition.
Actually Calzaghe is the one who NEEDS the fight the most (quickest way to do something noteworthy with his career - complete unification of SMW). He just hasn't realized yet, so strangely Kessler is the one who WANTS it the most.
Re: Kessler offers Calzaghe $3,4 mill
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by jangeorg
Ok let us stick to the facts
It is not like Mikkel Kessler is calling out a retired champion. I mean, if Kessler called out some former champ that is now retired, and said that if the former champ does not make a comeback, the former champ will lose all the respect that he gathered through his career. That would be totally wrong. Totally disrespectfull.
But that is not what is happening here. Mikkel Kessler is calling out a champ that is at the peak of his career. He is calling out a champ that claims he is number one in this weight division. Mikkel says "OK prove it against me and you can have all 4 belts and there will be no doubt that you are number one" But the great champ does not answer this challenge.
Calzaghe thinks too much of himself and too little of boxing fans.
Does he really think he has sealed his legacy ? Does he think that the Lacy fight which Joe himself says was his greatest performance ever will allow him to enter a Hall of Fame. I dont think so do you ? I know he has fought other great opposition. But it is not enough.
He thinks too little of boxing fans because he basically wants us to accept his claim that he is number 1 ON FAITH. He wants us to BELIEVE. He thinks that he does not have to PROOVE it to us. But he does not want to do that. He is above that apparently. But to proove it would be so very simple for him to do in this situation. But no.
If this situation does not anger boxing fans then.... I dont know. A great moment in boxing history is flushed out the toilet because of one man who has the audacity and boldness to call himself number one without being willing to prove it
:coolclick: being a fan of both men...I can honestly say that this is about the most accurate assestment of the situation.
I'll honestly be ashamed of Joe if he doesn't fight Kessler. This is the situation with all champions. It is expected that they fight the #2 & #3 men. Kessler is #2. He's proven it & he's fought some of the better 168'ers out there.
The fact that most boxing fans know them or not is not the point...they are ranked on the ladder & Kessler has climbed them & stepped over them from Siaca to Mundine to Beyer & now the #1 man is passing on fighting him...saying that he means nothing & that he is not a name...
True boxing fans recognize the fact that the Contender was damned near a joke...I mean face it...it really was. Manfredo falls right in to the laughable category...especially when compared to Kessler.
Ball up Joe & fight Kess...it's the logical respectable option.
There is nothing more Mikkel can do to make this fight happen. He has the other two belts, is undefeated, had an impressive bout against Beyer. If Joe wants it, he'll take it. If he won't, he's a bitch, and will forever have a ? over his career.
Re: Kessler offers Calzaghe $3,4 mill
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Originally Posted by jangeorg
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by jangeorg
Ok let us stick to the facts
It is not like Mikkel Kessler is calling out a retired champion. I mean, if Kessler called out some former champ that is now retired, and said that if the former champ does not make a comeback, the former champ will lose all the respect that he gathered through his career. That would be totally wrong. Totally disrespectfull.
But that is not what is happening here. Mikkel Kessler is calling out a champ that is at the peak of his career. He is calling out a champ that claims he is number one in this weight division. Mikkel says "OK prove it against me and you can have all 4 belts and there will be no doubt that you are number one" But the great champ does not answer this challenge.
Calzaghe thinks too much of himself and too little of boxing fans.
Does he really think he has sealed his legacy ? Does he think that the Lacy fight which Joe himself says was his greatest performance ever will allow him to enter a Hall of Fame. I dont think so do you ? I know he has fought other great opposition. But it is not enough.
He thinks too little of boxing fans because he basically wants us to accept his claim that he is number 1 ON FAITH. He wants us to BELIEVE. He thinks that he does not have to PROOVE it to us. But he does not want to do that. He is above that apparently. But to proove it would be so very simple for him to do in this situation. But no.
If this situation does not anger boxing fans then.... I dont know. A great moment in boxing history is flushed out the toilet because of one man who has the audacity and boldness to call himself number one without being willing to prove it
:coolclick: being a fan of both men...I can honestly say that this is about the most accurate assestment of the situation.
I'll honestly be ashamed of Joe if he doesn't fight Kessler. This is the situation with all champions. It is expected that they fight the #2 & #3 men. Kessler is #2. He's proven it & he's fought some of the better 168'ers out there.
The fact that most boxing fans know them or not is not the point...they are ranked on the ladder & Kessler has climbed them & stepped over them from Siaca to Mundine to Beyer & now the #1 man is passing on fighting him...saying that he means nothing & that he is not a name...
True boxing fans recognize the fact that the Contender was damned near a joke...I mean face it...it really was. Manfredo falls right in to the laughable category...especially when compared to Kessler.
Ball up Joe & fight Kess...it's the logical respectable option.
There is nothing more Mikkel can do to make this fight happen. He has the other two belts, is undefeated, had an impressive bout against Beyer. If Joe wants it, he'll take it. If he won't, he's a bitch, and will forever have a ? over his career.
Christ almighty.
How is it...you go from saying something thoughtful & respectful (like the post that you posted a day or so ago...which I must admit I was suprised with & :coolclick: ed you over) to calling Joe (another champion) Calzaghe a bitch? :sadclick:
I mean...this just goes back to why people like Lyle cannot & probably will not ever view Kessler in a positive light.
Why is it that you can't show Calzaghe the same respect that you want other posters to show Kessler?
It's amazing that Kessler can conduct himself with class but the majority of his fans can't.
Re: Kessler offers Calzaghe $3,4 mill
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Originally Posted by dumdane
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Originally Posted by NuthaPug
Seems one of the common complaints about most any fighter, especially those at the top, that they
- are running from the best competition
- are handpicking their fights
- fought other greats past their prime or after someone else beat them down
PBF gets it, RJJ got it, Hopkins from some fans, Hatton gets it, Calzaghe is getting it. ODLH gets it!
If Kessler-Calzaghe never gets made, it will leave a question mark for Kessler even if he is never again defeated. "Yeah, but he never fought the best."
I know, Joe doesn't look like the best right now, but that's largely down-hype. He sure looked good against Lacy - better than expected - and all it takes is for him to do the same again, and he'll be at the top for a month or two. Until the boxing fans start to dismantle him once again. :)
The boxers live in their fantasy world, and we in ours.
I think you got it mixed up - who will be left with the bigger questionmark over their careers if Calzaghe-Kessler doesn't happen.
At least Kessler has been pushing for it to happen. Calzaghe/Warren have been shunning it like the plague.
Add to that that Kessler has time ahead of him to make a noteworthy career - Whereas Calzaghe is almost done for and really hasn't achieved much, except to hang on to that WBO-strap for 9 years, fighting only handpicked opposition.
Actually Calzaghe is the one who NEEDS the fight the most (quickest way to do something noteworthy with his career - complete unification of SMW). He just hasn't realized yet, so strangely Kessler is the one who WANTS it the most.
I kinda agree with both of you here...but in the end...it leaves a question mark for both.
As far as saying Calzaghe hasn't acheived much except haning on to his strap for nine years...totally disagree. That's impressive enough.
Also...the fighting handpicked opposition...Kessler has a promotional team that picks his fights just like Joe does.
Kessler fought Ring ranked contenders & then his mandatories...just like Joe did.
At this point...it's safe to say & be unbiased about it...they both need each other...but from a fans standpoint...Kessler is the #2 man...so Joe HAS to fight him...but if they were to fight & Kess were to lose...then there would be another someone that Joe would have to beat & visa versa.
It's plain to see that this is just a fight that MUST happen...it hat to happen.
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here is my take on it people say calzaghe is coward firstly no boxer is a coward risking there life in the ring to earn some money for there family secondly boxers dont get to choose the fights its the promoters 3rd he had been calling out hopkins since 2002 this isnt the fight i wanted to see but stop all the hating 8)
Re: Kessler offers Calzaghe $3,4 mill
I just still think its funny any of you are arguing that calzaghe shud make his 20def outside of wales lol...
guess u just gotta be welsh to understand why you want to make a landmark event happen in your country, infront of some of the most loyal fans in the world...
you would never see wales devided half hating half loving a boxer, like the USA is with Mayweather. We always get behinde our 'stars' and it is the very small minority who know very little about the sport who will pick something to disslike them for.
Put it this way, if i was a dane, and kessler was about to make his 20 title def, and it was going to be outside of the country just for a few extra £ - id feel shit on and absolutley gutted!
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Originally Posted by Preme
I just still think its funny any of you are arguing that calzaghe shud make his 20def outside of wales lol...
guess u just gotta be welsh to understand why you want to make a landmark event happen in your country, infront of some of the most loyal fans in the world...
you would never see wales devided half hating half loving a boxer, like the USA is with Mayweather. We always get behinde our 'stars' and it is the very small minority who know very little about the sport who will pick something to disslike them for.
Put it this way, if i was a dane, and kessler was about to make his 20 title def, and it was going to be outside of the country just for a few extra £ - id feel S*** on and absolutley gutted!
Amen Preme, but do you really think that Wales has the right boxing venue for his defence? The Cardiff CIA is good, but a little bit small, then there's the Millenium Stadium, where some of the cheap seats need binoculars. Personally, I really enjoyed the MEN ARena, which is just about perfect for a boxing venue IMO. If they could squeeze another two or three thousand into the CIA, that'd be ideal, but for now I'd be happy with the MEN again.
Well, what we also know is that after saying he only had 3 fights left last year, he has now said that he wants to match the 25 defence record of Joe Louis, so we know that there are 6 fights remaining in JC if he wants to do that. IMO this gives him a little more leeway to prove his legacy, and that's why I won't be overly disappointed if the next one isn't Kessler, because there is time. But still, if he goes to Denmark to fight Kessler, he has to be confident of a KO, otherwise the decision will be more crooked than an Italian soccer executive.
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
But still, if he goes to Denmark to fight Kessler, he has to be confident of a KO, otherwise the decision will be more crooked than an Italian soccer executive.
So do you think it would be any different for Kessler comming to Wales?
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by jangeorg
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by jangeorg
Ok let us stick to the facts
It is not like Mikkel Kessler is calling out a retired champion. I mean, if Kessler called out some former champ that is now retired, and said that if the former champ does not make a comeback, the former champ will lose all the respect that he gathered through his career. That would be totally wrong. Totally disrespectfull.
But that is not what is happening here. Mikkel Kessler is calling out a champ that is at the peak of his career. He is calling out a champ that claims he is number one in this weight division. Mikkel says "OK prove it against me and you can have all 4 belts and there will be no doubt that you are number one" But the great champ does not answer this challenge.
Calzaghe thinks too much of himself and too little of boxing fans.
Does he really think he has sealed his legacy ? Does he think that the Lacy fight which Joe himself says was his greatest performance ever will allow him to enter a Hall of Fame. I dont think so do you ? I know he has fought other great opposition. But it is not enough.
He thinks too little of boxing fans because he basically wants us to accept his claim that he is number 1 ON FAITH. He wants us to BELIEVE. He thinks that he does not have to PROOVE it to us. But he does not want to do that. He is above that apparently. But to proove it would be so very simple for him to do in this situation. But no.
If this situation does not anger boxing fans then.... I dont know. A great moment in boxing history is flushed out the toilet because of one man who has the audacity and boldness to call himself number one without being willing to prove it
:coolclick: being a fan of both men...I can honestly say that this is about the most accurate assestment of the situation.
I'll honestly be ashamed of Joe if he doesn't fight Kessler. This is the situation with all champions. It is expected that they fight the #2 & #3 men. Kessler is #2. He's proven it & he's fought some of the better 168'ers out there.
The fact that most boxing fans know them or not is not the point...they are ranked on the ladder & Kessler has climbed them & stepped over them from Siaca to Mundine to Beyer & now the #1 man is passing on fighting him...saying that he means nothing & that he is not a name...
True boxing fans recognize the fact that the Contender was damned near a joke...I mean face it...it really was. Manfredo falls right in to the laughable category...especially when compared to Kessler.
Ball up Joe & fight Kess...it's the logical respectable option.
There is nothing more Mikkel can do to make this fight happen. He has the other two belts, is undefeated, had an impressive bout against Beyer. If Joe wants it, he'll take it. If he won't, he's a bitch, and will forever have a ? over his career.
Christ almighty.
How is it...you go from saying something thoughtful & respectful (like the post that you posted a day or so ago...which I must admit I was suprised with & :coolclick: ed you over) to calling Joe (another champion) Calzaghe a bitch? :sadclick:
I mean...this just goes back to why people like Lyle cannot & probably will not ever view Kessler in a positive light.
Why is it that you can't show Calzaghe the same respect that you want other posters to show Kessler?
It's amazing that Kessler can conduct himself with class but the majority of his fans can't.
Calling Calzaghe a bitch are maybe a hard word,so i apologies :-X
