Re: Which current active fighter has a more sound legacy than PBF?
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Sweetpea to answer your questions and to correct you...
1.I never said that no one is on Floyds level...I said that Cotto wasnt
So who is on his level?
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2.How is the welterweight division deep?Zab,Baldo,Spinks?
Which division in boxing is deeper right now than 147? I can't find one. You could argue 130, but Morales and Barrera are both just about done with fighting (or at least they should be).
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From what I understand...anyone who calls Floyd out ...he has to fight them,Which makes no sense.
Of course he doesn't have to fight everyone who calls him out. I've gotten in a million arguments with people on this site, where I've said that Margarito is a chump, and that he is a fool if he thinks Floyd is ducking him.
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3.Cotto and all of the other welters need to battle it out for a shot at mayweather.
And while all these welterweights are fighting each other, what is Floyd supposed to do in the meantime? Just sit at home and do nothing? If he's going to remain active, he would be fighting again in late '07. These contenders can't all fight each other by then. I don't see why someone like Cotto wouldn't be a deserving opponent.
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4.Fight the best in the division is the way its been done 100yrs is what you said...Thats not entirely true.When you've dominated a division you either bump up or down divisions to seek better opposition.
Yes, but Floyd already has moved up divisions. He's already gone from 130 to 135 to 140 to 147 to 154. Every fighter needs to stop at a weight at some point. Floyd's most natural weight class is 147. Even though you don't think 147 is any good, there are more quality fighters there than at 140 or 154. And at this point in his career, you can't expect Floyd to get his weight any lower than the welterweight limit. The best fights for Floyd are at 147.
Like I said, every champ stops moving up in weight at some point and goes about cleaning out a division. Whitaker was the undisputed champ at 135, then moved up to 140, then to 147, and even won a belt at 154. But once he got to 147, he stayed there and took on all the top contenders. McGirt, Chavez, De La Hoya, Trinidad, etc. Mayweather should stay at 147 and fight all the top ranked guys.
Re: Which current active fighter has a more sound legacy than PBF?
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Sweetpea to answer your questions and to correct you...
1.I never said that no one is on Floyds level...I said that Cotto wasnt
So who is on his level?
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Originally Posted by Olympian904
2.How is the welterweight division deep?Zab,Baldo,Spinks?
Which division in boxing is deeper right now than 147? I can't find one. You could argue 130, but Morales and Barrera are both just about done with fighting (or at least they should be).
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From what I understand...anyone who calls Floyd out ...he has to fight them,Which makes no sense.
Of course he doesn't have to fight everyone who calls him out. I've gotten in a million arguments with people on this site, where I've said that Margarito is a chump, and that he is a fool if he thinks Floyd is ducking him.
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3.Cotto and all of the other welters need to battle it out for a shot at mayweather.
And while all these welterweights are fighting each other, what is Floyd supposed to do in the meantime? Just sit at home and do nothing? If he's going to remain active, he would be fighting again in late '07. These contenders can't all fight each other by then. I don't see why someone like Cotto wouldn't be a deserving opponent.
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4.Fight the best in the division is the way its been done 100yrs is what you said...Thats not entirely true.When you've dominated a division you either bump up or down divisions to seek better opposition.
Yes, but Floyd already has moved up divisions. He's already gone from 130 to 135 to 140 to 147 to 154. Every fighter needs to stop at a weight at some point. Floyd's most natural weight class is 147. Even though you don't think 147 is any good, there are more quality fighters there than at 140 or 154. And at this point in his career, you can't expect Floyd to get his weight any lower than the welterweight limit. The best fights for Floyd are at 147.
Like I said, every champ stops moving up in weight at some point and goes about cleaning out a division. Whitaker was the undisputed champ at 135, then moved up to 140, then to 147, and even won a belt at 154. But once he got to 147, he stayed there and took on all the top contenders. McGirt, Chavez, De La Hoya, Trinidad, etc. Mayweather should stay at 147 and fight all the top ranked guys.
1.Barrera,Pac,Wright,DLH,Mosley are all at or close to that level.
2.Baldo,Zab,Gatti, are all still ranked in the division...so what does that mean?Margo holds a belt!!c'mon!
3.Mayweather doesnt need a a fight in 07...He no longer has to chase anyone and he is only 31 yrs old.
4.I see no point in Floyd fighting every "top" welterweight just to be doing it.He has been doing this for quit sometime already.Baldo,Zab,Gatti,Corrales,Castillo,etc...al l were considered top contenders at the time...Now when people mention them they were"bums" and "past" their prime.I still want to see mayweather fight people who actually pose a threat...not some overhyped 23yr old.
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2.Baldo,Zab,Gatti, are all still ranked in the division...so what does that mean?Margo holds a belt!!c'mon!
So what division is deeper than 147 then?
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3.Mayweather doesnt need a a fight in 07...He no longer has to chase anyone and he is only 31 yrs old.
Well if he's going to stay active, then he would fight roughly once every 6 months. I don't know about you, but as a boxing fan, I enjoy watching the best fighters fight. You're saying you'd rather see Floyd sit at home, just to prove some point that he's better than everyone?
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I still want to see mayweather fight people who actually pose a threat...not some overhyped 23yr old.
Who's 23 years old?
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Sweetpea to answer your questions and to correct you...
1.I never said that no one is on Floyds level...I said that Cotto wasnt
So who is on his level?
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Originally Posted by Olympian904
2.How is the welterweight division deep?Zab,Baldo,Spinks?
Which division in boxing is deeper right now than 147? I can't find one. You could argue 130, but Morales and Barrera are both just about done with fighting (or at least they should be).
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Originally Posted by Olympian904
From what I understand...anyone who calls Floyd out ...he has to fight them,Which makes no sense.
Of course he doesn't have to fight everyone who calls him out. I've gotten in a million arguments with people on this site, where I've said that Margarito is a chump, and that he is a fool if he thinks Floyd is ducking him.
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3.Cotto and all of the other welters need to battle it out for a shot at mayweather.
And while all these welterweights are fighting each other, what is Floyd supposed to do in the meantime? Just sit at home and do nothing? If he's going to remain active, he would be fighting again in late '07. These contenders can't all fight each other by then. I don't see why someone like Cotto wouldn't be a deserving opponent.
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4.Fight the best in the division is the way its been done 100yrs is what you said...Thats not entirely true.When you've dominated a division you either bump up or down divisions to seek better opposition.
Yes, but Floyd already has moved up divisions. He's already gone from 130 to 135 to 140 to 147 to 154. Every fighter needs to stop at a weight at some point. Floyd's most natural weight class is 147. Even though you don't think 147 is any good, there are more quality fighters there than at 140 or 154. And at this point in his career, you can't expect Floyd to get his weight any lower than the welterweight limit. The best fights for Floyd are at 147.
Like I said, every champ stops moving up in weight at some point and goes about cleaning out a division. Whitaker was the undisputed champ at 135, then moved up to 140, then to 147, and even won a belt at 154. But once he got to 147, he stayed there and took on all the top contenders. McGirt, Chavez, De La Hoya, Trinidad, etc. Mayweather should stay at 147 and fight all the top ranked guys.
1.Barrera,Pac,Wright,DLH,Mosley are all at or close to that level.
2.Baldo,Zab,Gatti, are all still ranked in the division...so what does that mean?Margo holds a belt!!c'mon!
3.Mayweather doesnt need a a fight in 07...He no longer has to chase anyone and he is only 31 yrs old.
4.I see no point in Floyd fighting every "top" welterweight just to be doing it.He has been doing this for quit sometime already.Baldo,Zab,Gatti,Corrales,Castillo,etc...al l were considered top contenders at the time...Now when people mention them they were"bums" and "past" their prime.I still want to see mayweather fight people who actually pose a threat...not some overhyped 23yr old.
You're just a fan of Floyd, plain & simple. What you're saying isn't adding up.
He doesn't have to fight again in 07? He doesn't have to fight anyone else at ww to prove he's the best there? Ridiculous!!!
Oh that's right, he beat the legendary Baldomir already my bad.
Your posts need some serious tuning.
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1.I think the middleweight division is pretty deep...Winky,Hopkins,Miranda,Calz,Taylor,etc...
2.You can stay active without a fight every 6 months...he lives in the gym..I'm saying that I would rather see someone who actually has a legitimate chance of beating him rather than someone who holds a belt and needs a fight...Face it...Mosley probably is the only welter he could possibly give him a run for his money.
3.23 was meant in a metaphoric way...Williams,Cotto,Berto,etc...all are young and overhyped
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Sweetpea to answer your questions and to correct you...
1.I never said that no one is on Floyds level...I said that Cotto wasnt
So who is on his level?
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Originally Posted by Olympian904
2.How is the welterweight division deep?Zab,Baldo,Spinks?
Which division in boxing is deeper right now than 147? I can't find one. You could argue 130, but Morales and Barrera are both just about done with fighting (or at least they should be).
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Originally Posted by Olympian904
From what I understand...anyone who calls Floyd out ...he has to fight them,Which makes no sense.
Of course he doesn't have to fight everyone who calls him out. I've gotten in a million arguments with people on this site, where I've said that Margarito is a chump, and that he is a fool if he thinks Floyd is ducking him.
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Originally Posted by Olympian904
3.Cotto and all of the other welters need to battle it out for a shot at mayweather.
And while all these welterweights are fighting each other, what is Floyd supposed to do in the meantime? Just sit at home and do nothing? If he's going to remain active, he would be fighting again in late '07. These contenders can't all fight each other by then. I don't see why someone like Cotto wouldn't be a deserving opponent.
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4.Fight the best in the division is the way its been done 100yrs is what you said...Thats not entirely true.When you've dominated a division you either bump up or down divisions to seek better opposition.
Yes, but Floyd already has moved up divisions. He's already gone from 130 to 135 to 140 to 147 to 154. Every fighter needs to stop at a weight at some point. Floyd's most natural weight class is 147. Even though you don't think 147 is any good, there are more quality fighters there than at 140 or 154. And at this point in his career, you can't expect Floyd to get his weight any lower than the welterweight limit. The best fights for Floyd are at 147.
Like I said, every champ stops moving up in weight at some point and goes about cleaning out a division. Whitaker was the undisputed champ at 135, then moved up to 140, then to 147, and even won a belt at 154. But once he got to 147, he stayed there and took on all the top contenders. McGirt, Chavez, De La Hoya, Trinidad, etc. Mayweather should stay at 147 and fight all the top ranked guys.
1.Barrera,Pac,Wright,DLH,Mosley are all at or close to that level.
2.Baldo,Zab,Gatti, are all still ranked in the division...so what does that mean?Margo holds a belt!!c'mon!
3.Mayweather doesnt need a a fight in 07...He no longer has to chase anyone and he is only 31 yrs old.
4.I see no point in Floyd fighting every "top" welterweight just to be doing it.He has been doing this for quit sometime already.Baldo,Zab,Gatti,Corrales,Castillo,etc...al l were considered top contenders at the time...Now when people mention them they were"bums" and "past" their prime.I still want to see mayweather fight people who actually pose a threat...not some overhyped 23yr old.
You're just a fan of Floyd, plain & simple. What you're saying isn't adding up.
He doesn't have to fight again in 07? He doesn't have to fight anyone else at ww to prove he's the best there? Ridiculous!!!
Oh that's right, he beat the legendary Baldomir already my bad.
Your posts need some serious tuning.
Your whole logic needs tuning...if you think any of the welters other than Mosley have a realistic chance....and its obvious that you have never boxed a day in your life...or at least you werent successful...you sound like a larry merchant also.
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1.I think the middleweight division is pretty deep...Winky,Hopkins,Miranda,Calz,Taylor,etc...
Hopkins and Calzaghe do not fight at middleweight. And how is Miranda a better prospect at middleweight than Cotto is at welterweight? Talk about a guy who hasn't proven anything....
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2.You can stay active without a fight every 6 months...he lives in the gym..I'm saying that I would rather see someone who actually has a legitimate chance of beating him rather than someone who holds a belt and needs a fight...Face it...Mosley probably is the only welter he could possibly give him a run for his money.
So like I said before, you'd rather he see him stay at home or in the gym and not fight anyone, just to prove that there's no one out there worthy of fighting him? I can't think of any other PFP champions who did this in their prime, can you?
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The difference is that Floyd is the p4p best.You cant just walk on a court and expect to challenge Michael Jordan in a 1 on 1 game.Floyd is at that level where he doesn't have to chance anyone now...they have to chase him.
So just who did Floyd beat that makes him a better case for p4p than, say, Hatton.
Ricky fought a legend and the "man" for the legitimate light welter title, then unified, then moved up a weight straight in to another title fight and wan then went back down a weight and beat yet another title holder, thats 4 reigning world champs in his last 4 fights, who has Floyd fought in his last 4 fights ?
He is p4p over Hatton because ...
Speed-PBF
Stamina-PBF
Strength-Hatton
Ring awareness-PBF
Defense-PBF
Experience-PBF
I could go on all day.
...and on and on and on and on.....
He is P4p for one reason alone ( no loss ) What kind of serious boxing enthusiast would qualify this schedule of opponents as one worth of a legacy.
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=000352
Never has he fought another P4P boxer, those that did manage to win championship belts only polished / buffed them before relinquishing them. This schedule is littered with decent boxers and a couple of good ones. Those that had power have no mobility, and those that had mobility have no power. There is no reason he should not be 37- 0 so where is the accomplishment? Where are the great / risky opponents? I ask you once again to look at the list of fights and which fighters had a legitimate chance ....... ? If he conducts himself like a fraud and he fights only frauds , then it must be a fraud. This schedule absolutely merits no consideration for all time great status ! "PBF has undeniable skills/talents but he needs to put up or shut up" When you accomplish great things others will talk for you , you have no need to talk. Unless you're merely masking some shortcomings !!!!!
What are you talking about?
1.He had an amazing amatuer career
2.Olympic medalist
3.Dominated almost all of his opponents
4.Has nearly perfected his fight game
I could go on ALL day.
I ask...name some risky opponents for Floyd?His list of opponents is FAAAARRR better than any other welterweight other than Mosley
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1.I think the middleweight division is pretty deep...Winky,Hopkins,Miranda,Calz,Taylor,etc...
Hopkins and Calzaghe do not fight at middleweight. And how is Miranda a better prospect at middleweight than Cotto is at welterweight? Talk about a guy who hasn't proven anything....
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2.You can stay active without a fight every 6 months...he lives in the gym..I'm saying that I would rather see someone who actually has a legitimate chance of beating him rather than someone who holds a belt and needs a fight...Face it...Mosley probably is the only welter he could possibly give him a run for his money.
So like I said before, you'd rather he see him stay at home or in the gym and not fight anyone, just to prove that there's no one out there worthy of fighting him? I can't think of any other PFP champions who did this in their prime, can you?
1.I mentioned them because they both are able to make middleweight.
2.Its obvious you are understanding the politics of boxing....So your telling me no matter who the opponent is...you just want him to fight somebody,anybody...its just not gonna happen.
3.I didnt compare miranda to cotto..I compared that whole division to the welter division
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1.I think the middleweight division is pretty deep...Winky,Hopkins,Miranda,Calz,Taylor,etc...
Hopkins and Calzaghe do not fight at middleweight. And how is Miranda a better prospect at middleweight than Cotto is at welterweight? Talk about a guy who hasn't proven anything....
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2.You can stay active without a fight every 6 months...he lives in the gym..I'm saying that I would rather see someone who actually has a legitimate chance of beating him rather than someone who holds a belt and needs a fight...Face it...Mosley probably is the only welter he could possibly give him a run for his money.
So like I said before, you'd rather he see him stay at home or in the gym and not fight anyone, just to prove that there's no one out there worthy of fighting him? I can't think of any other PFP champions who did this in their prime, can you?
cc Sweatpea. This guy is really in love with Floyd. I gave up ages ago with this thread.
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1.I think the middleweight division is pretty deep...Winky,Hopkins,Miranda,Calz,Taylor,etc...
Hopkins and Calzaghe do not fight at middleweight. And how is Miranda a better prospect at middleweight than Cotto is at welterweight? Talk about a guy who hasn't proven anything....
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2.You can stay active without a fight every 6 months...he lives in the gym..I'm saying that I would rather see someone who actually has a legitimate chance of beating him rather than someone who holds a belt and needs a fight...Face it...Mosley probably is the only welter he could possibly give him a run for his money.
So like I said before, you'd rather he see him stay at home or in the gym and not fight anyone, just to prove that there's no one out there worthy of fighting him? I can't think of any other PFP champions who did this in their prime, can you?
cc Sweatpea. This guy is really in love with Floyd. I gave up ages ago with this thread.
Ranked #2 in the nation...Already have a spot in the olympic trials...4x golden gloves champ...1st in the RUS,GER,and ENG duals....and you???Someone who's boxing skills and knowledge is limited to a forum
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1.I think the middleweight division is pretty deep...Winky,Hopkins,Miranda,Calz,Taylor,etc...
Hopkins and Calzaghe do not fight at middleweight. And how is Miranda a better prospect at middleweight than Cotto is at welterweight? Talk about a guy who hasn't proven anything....
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2.You can stay active without a fight every 6 months...he lives in the gym..I'm saying that I would rather see someone who actually has a legitimate chance of beating him rather than someone who holds a belt and needs a fight...Face it...Mosley probably is the only welter he could possibly give him a run for his money.
So like I said before, you'd rather he see him stay at home or in the gym and not fight anyone, just to prove that there's no one out there worthy of fighting him? I can't think of any other PFP champions who did this in their prime, can you?
cc Sweatpea. This guy is really in love with Floyd. I gave up ages ago with this thread.
Ranked #2 in the nation...Already have a spot in the olympic trials...4x golden gloves champ...1st in the RUS,GER,and ENG duals....and you???Someone who's boxing skills and knowledge is limited to a forum
:beat: Zab Judah is a pro with great credentials but that dosent mean he isint ignorant and an abrasive prik ;)
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1.I think the middleweight division is pretty deep...Winky,Hopkins,Miranda,Calz,Taylor,etc...
Same with you JT...how deep is your boxing knowledge...or have we have another Larry Merchant
Hopkins and Calzaghe do not fight at middleweight. And how is Miranda a better prospect at middleweight than Cotto is at welterweight? Talk about a guy who hasn't proven anything....
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2.You can stay active without a fight every 6 months...he lives in the gym..I'm saying that I would rather see someone who actually has a legitimate chance of beating him rather than someone who holds a belt and needs a fight...Face it...Mosley probably is the only welter he could possibly give him a run for his money.
So like I said before, you'd rather he see him stay at home or in the gym and not fight anyone, just to prove that there's no one out there worthy of fighting him? I can't think of any other PFP champions who did this in their prime, can you?
cc Sweatpea. This guy is really in love with Floyd. I gave up ages ago with this thread.
Ranked #2 in the nation...Already have a spot in the olympic trials...4x golden gloves champ...1st in the RUS,GER,and ENG duals....and you???Someone who's boxing skills and knowledge is limited to a forum
:beat: Zab Judah is a pro with great credentials but that dosent mean he isint ignorant and an abrasive prik ;)
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Ranked #2 in the nation...Already have a spot in the olympic trials...4x golden gloves champ...1st in the RUS,GER,and ENG duals
http://www.hbo.com/boxing/img/commen...rd_482x246.jpg
"Sounds like this kid has a solid amateur background."
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Its amazing how some people who have never boxed seem to have the most knowledge...I guess I'm gonna go on a Tennis forum and become an expert over there.I should have the upper hand though because I know nothing about tennis and never played a day in my life.
