If Ali Fought Marciano's Opponents and Marciano Fought Ali's Opponents.....

Rocky's guts needs no more explanation but I gotta say that the shots that Walcott and Moore landed were devestating, it's a feat in itself to beat the count, more so to come right back up and turn the momentum of the fight. This isn't a Rocky Balboa theme, "How hard you get hit and keep goin." This is about real focus, able to fight your fight no matter how dizzy or hurt you are. This is what a real chin is about, not how much you can take off a punch but but standing up to it and continuing to give them hell.

I think I need to say something about Joe Louis in his fight against Marciano. This wasn't the Louis that fought Ezzard Charles or Walcott, this Louis was better, his jab got some of its' old sting back, Rocky's face proved it, he was in better condition. Granted this wasn't the Joe Louis that took on Max Baer and Schmelling, but this was as good as he could get in his comeback. Rocky's pace and pressure will tire anyone out, and that wore Louis down enough that Rocky could land his patented blockbusters.

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Originally Posted by Samson3000

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by smashcrusher

Exactly, and Marciano had neither size nor skill ;D

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Yeah he was just REALLY lucky.....you're an idiot.

Marciano had skills, I mean if he didn't have any skills at all wouldn't he suffer the same fate of Primo Carnera? anytime Primo fought someone halfway decent he got his big a** whupped!

I mean Primo had power but he had no skill at all and no coordination either.....makes it hard to land A punch much less a KO punch and Rocky KO'd a number of very good fighters.


And what's with everyone saying Joe Louis was small??? He was bigger than Mike Tyson!

Jack Dempsey had skill too

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lmao at this guy getting mad that his bum hero has been totally exposed as a fraud ;D ;D ;D

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Rocky has never been exposed even though he was the smaller man in the bigger mans world.

Look how many smaller guys made a go in the division.

Dempsey, Tunney, Loughran, Moore, Tyson there are others all greats in their own right.

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Originally Posted by Samson3000

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Well the record that stands is 49-0-0 and that's what I follow

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'72 Dolphins went 17-0, and EVERYONE acknowledges they'd get their @ss kicked by every other all time great team. Every great heavyweight>Rocky ;D ;D ;D

sorry

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comparing football records to boxing records is just retarded. SRR record was 140-1 at one time--your right records dont say anything ::**

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Originally Posted by Chris N.

Look how many smaller guys made a go in the division.

Dempsey, Tunney, Loughran, Moore, Tyson there are others all greats in their own right.

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How many smaller guys had this W 49 (43 ko's) | L 0 | D 0 | Total 49 ?

In the heavyweight there's only Marciano. :) In the lower weights you have guys like Joe Gans, Ray Robinson, and Julio Cesar Chavez. There are other men with outstanding records as well.

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

Although I do feel these guys would KO Marciano

Liston
Foreman
Frazier
Holmes
Norton(perhaps)

The rest of you list is like a Screen door on a Submarine though....
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Foreman could KO anybody who weıghs 45 pounds less/6 ınches shorter than he. Holmes had a 63 ınch reach, Marciano a 67 ınch reach. That would not be quıte a faır fıght eıther wouldnt you thınk?
As for the other 3, Marciano smokes Frazıer ın 5, Lıston ın 7, and Norton ın 3.

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

Although I do feel these guys would KO Marciano

Liston
Foreman
Frazier
Holmes
Norton(perhaps)

The rest of you list is like a Screen door on a Submarine though....
;)

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If Norton can break Ali's jaw I'm sure he has a good chance of knocking down/out Rocky but it is boxing and at the end of the day nothing is set in stone.

Tyson knocks out Rocky.

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

Although I do feel these guys would KO Marciano

Liston
Foreman
Frazier
Holmes
Norton(perhaps)

The rest of you list is like a Screen door on a Submarine though....
;)

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Foreman could KO anybody who weıghs 45 pounds less/6 ınches shorter than he. Holmes had a 63 ınch reach, Marciano a 67 ınch reach. That would not be quıte a faır fıght eıther wouldnt you thınk?
As for the other 3, Marciano smokes Frazıer ın 5, Lıston ın 7, and Norton ın 3.

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Why the need to revive a 5 year-old thread that had already been beaten to death?

Boring, boring and boring! If, if what a waste of time. Look, this is the way it is, Rocky fought the top guys of his era, Ali fought the top guys of his era, Holmes did the same, Tyson did the same, Lewis did the same thing. As the years rolled by the fighters grew larger just like they have in all pro sports. Could all the modern HW Champs beat Rocky, of course they could, but it's a waste of time to talk about it because everyone has already figured it out.
If you still don't think you're wasting your time think about this; modern fighters have better camps, eat better, have fewer fights; and, generally, have better trainers. I think they are all a hell of a lot smarter, also.



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I think heavyweights are bigger but not necessarily smarter. Look at Seth Mitchell, although very early on his career, he is limted.