Re: Pacquiao Barrera II October 6th
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NO FWOCKEN WAY!!!! :o
I think I just S*** my pants.... So where are all those anti-GBP people who kept talking S***! that GBP is the worst and that they don't care about the sport and blah! blah! blah!!
This is great so this means we could see JMM vs. PAC II early 2008 if they both win their next bouts....
I think those anti GBP people who were talking s*** were banned ;)
How about Soto though? Seems a lot were giving him a better chance then are giving Barrera, though MAB is a much bigger name and will make a bigger card.
No gonna lie I've only seen Soto-Bobby Pac so I can't judge.
Barrera has not looked himself. Lose to JMM understandable but two close fights vs Juarez is a bad sign. I thought Juarez should've lost to up-and-comer Hernandez.
Mab is pretty worn out, add another KO to Pac's record.
I love when people try to discredit MAB for his fights against Juarez. Juarez was one of the best young prospects in the business when he fought Marco...a young fighter with a tremendous punch. And please don't forget...in the first Juarez fight....Marco had been preparing to fight Chavez at 135. Chavez injured himself...and Marco had to get up to fight Juarez instead. He toughed that first Juarez fight out....showed he still can gut out a fight. In the second Juarez fight....Barrera put on a boxing clinic. Dancing. jabbing, and controlling the fight like a fighter many years younger. Juarez was completely surprised and couldn't adjust....so MAB won easy. People need to give Marco a WHOLE lot more credit for that fight. And then Marco fought Marquez in a great match. People need to give Barrera his major props...the man is ending his career taking no easy route. Pac on the other hand has fought a shot Morales and some nobodies in his recent fights. Again...Pac will deservedly be the favorite in this rematch....but Marco is going to give a battle....and anything short of a completely focused and prepared Pac (and he always seems to have a million distractions in his life)....could find himself in serious trouble.
pac fought a shot morales? i remember barrera considering retirement after he lost the first fight with manny, then he started winning fights again and he wasn't shot after all. i hope you wouldn't say that after pac beats barrera again... oh, of course you will. and what if erik starts winning again? nah, imo erik isn't shot. he's just has outgrown the 130lb-division and wasn't motivated against raheem.
Erik getting stopped in 3 is not shot?! ::**
You obviously follow a cetain path! ;)
If MAB gets stopped in 3 or less, then would that make him automatically a shot fighter too? ??? ::**
Re: Pacquiao Barrera II October 6th
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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by miles
The Morales of the 3rd fight was a shadow of what he had been before. Morales has such pride and as such gets drawn into wars easily. A shadow loses easily in a war and that is what Morales now is.
Barrera just fought as competively as one can do against Marquez without getting a knockdown scored. This is no shot Barrera. He did better than Pac against Marquez IMO...
He can still hang at the top. Barrera can and will fight for 12. Pac has been picking on left overs for a while now. Barrera can still impress. Im surprised he is being written off by so many.
Its a pick 'em and if Barrera is hungry enough then he can take it....
I agree that MAB is NOT a shot fighter. Most people saw that when he KD Marquez.
I just hope people (like you miles) who believes that MAB is NOT a shot fighter would give Pac some credits if he beats MAB for the 2nd time.
I will hate to hear
"Pac beat up another shot fighter".
Of course I would give Pac his credit especially so if he was to beat Barrera convincingly. Morales did have serious issues losing that weight. And was on a losing streak when faced against Pac for the the final fight. Hindsight does indeed suggest a steep slide if not indeed being on the way to being shot.
Barrera has just come off a close fight with Marquez. If the knockdown had been ruled correctly I had Barrera winning somewhat convincingly. Barrera is not shot and is able to adapt his gameplan at the top level.
A Pac fight will be close. I dont know why so many are opposed to this fight. If Larios or Solis were worthy of fights then Barrera is actually a step back up and with it being Barrera's last fight then nobody should deny him going out the way he wants.
Re: Pacquiao Barrera II October 6th
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by miles
The Morales of the 3rd fight was a shadow of what he had been before. Morales has such pride and as such gets drawn into wars easily. A shadow loses easily in a war and that is what Morales now is.
Barrera just fought as competively as one can do against Marquez without getting a knockdown scored. This is no shot Barrera. He did better than Pac against Marquez IMO...
He can still hang at the top. Barrera can and will fight for 12. Pac has been picking on left overs for a while now. Barrera can still impress. Im surprised he is being written off by so many.
Its a pick 'em and if Barrera is hungry enough then he can take it....
I agree that MAB is NOT a shot fighter. Most people saw that when he KD Marquez.
I just hope people (like you miles) who believes that MAB is NOT a shot fighter would give Pac some credits if he beats MAB for the 2nd time.
I will hate to hear
"Pac beat up another shot fighter".
Of course I would give Pac his credit especially so if he was to beat Barrera convincingly. Morales did have serious issues losing that weight. And was on a losing streak when faced against Pac for the the final fight. Hindsight does indeed suggest a steep slide if not indeed being on the way to being shot.
Barrera has just come off a close fight with Marquez. If the knockdown had been ruled correctly I had Barrera winning somewhat convincingly. Barrera is not shot and is able to adapt his gameplan at the top level.
A Pac fight will be close. I dont know why so many are opposed to this fight. If Larios or Solis were worthy of fights then Barrera is actually a step back up and with it being Barrera's last fight then nobody should deny him going out the way he wants.
many are opposed to this fight cos there are worthier opponents for manny at this point. pac has nothing more to prove against barrera since manny got his number and i don't see what mab could do differently especially now that he's starting to slide and manny on the other hand has improved from their first meeting. solis and larios were just tune-up matches. bring us jmm-pac, guzman or valero-pac. even soto is a more interesting match-up for manny.
i agree with julius rain that this fight is about the money for gbp and toprank. in a way manny owes barrera this fight for giving him the opportunity to be placed on the boxing map. marco deserves a big payday going into his retirement and what better way than a chance to avenge the worst loss of his career and i wouldn't discount that he still has the ability to do exactly that because in boxing one punch could turn the tide of a fight.
Re: Pacquiao Barrera II October 6th
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Originally Posted by KKisser
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by miles
The Morales of the 3rd fight was a shadow of what he had been before. Morales has such pride and as such gets drawn into wars easily. A shadow loses easily in a war and that is what Morales now is.
Barrera just fought as competively as one can do against Marquez without getting a knockdown scored. This is no shot Barrera. He did better than Pac against Marquez IMO...
He can still hang at the top. Barrera can and will fight for 12. Pac has been picking on left overs for a while now. Barrera can still impress. Im surprised he is being written off by so many.
Its a pick 'em and if Barrera is hungry enough then he can take it....
I agree that MAB is NOT a shot fighter. Most people saw that when he KD Marquez.
I just hope people (like you miles) who believes that MAB is NOT a shot fighter would give Pac some credits if he beats MAB for the 2nd time.
I will hate to hear
"Pac beat up another shot fighter".
Of course I would give Pac his credit especially so if he was to beat Barrera convincingly. Morales did have serious issues losing that weight. And was on a losing streak when faced against Pac for the the final fight. Hindsight does indeed suggest a steep slide if not indeed being on the way to being shot.
Barrera has just come off a close fight with Marquez. If the knockdown had been ruled correctly I had Barrera winning somewhat convincingly. Barrera is not shot and is able to adapt his gameplan at the top level.
A Pac fight will be close. I dont know why so many are opposed to this fight. If Larios or Solis were worthy of fights then Barrera is actually a step back up and with it being Barrera's last fight then nobody should deny him going out the way he wants.
many are opposed to this fight cos there are worthier opponents for manny at this point. pac has nothing more to prove against barrera since manny got his number and i don't see what mab could do differently especially now that he's starting to slide and manny on the other hand has improved from their first meeting. solis and larios were just tune-up matches. bring us jmm-pac, guzman or valero-pac. even soto is a more interesting match-up for manny.
i agree with julius rain that this fight is about the money for gbp and toprank. in a way manny owes barrera this fight for giving him the opportunity to be placed on the boxing map. marco deserves a big payday going into his retirement and what better way than a chance to avenge the worst loss of his career and i wouldn't discount that he still has the ability to do exactly that because in boxing one punch could turn the tide of a fight.
Nice posting :coolclick:
Re: Pacquiao Barrera II October 6th
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Originally Posted by KKisser
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by KKisser
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Originally Posted by zhubin
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Originally Posted by dasamm
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
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NO FWOCKEN WAY!!!! :o
I think I just S*** my pants.... So where are all those anti-GBP people who kept talking S***! that GBP is the worst and that they don't care about the sport and blah! blah! blah!!
This is great so this means we could see JMM vs. PAC II early 2008 if they both win their next bouts....
I think those anti GBP people who were talking s*** were banned ;)
How about Soto though? Seems a lot were giving him a better chance then are giving Barrera, though MAB is a much bigger name and will make a bigger card.
No gonna lie I've only seen Soto-Bobby Pac so I can't judge.
Barrera has not looked himself. Lose to JMM understandable but two close fights vs Juarez is a bad sign. I thought Juarez should've lost to up-and-comer Hernandez.
Mab is pretty worn out, add another KO to Pac's record.
I love when people try to discredit MAB for his fights against Juarez. Juarez was one of the best young prospects in the business when he fought Marco...a young fighter with a tremendous punch. And please don't forget...in the first Juarez fight....Marco had been preparing to fight Chavez at 135. Chavez injured himself...and Marco had to get up to fight Juarez instead. He toughed that first Juarez fight out....showed he still can gut out a fight. In the second Juarez fight....Barrera put on a boxing clinic. Dancing. jabbing, and controlling the fight like a fighter many years younger. Juarez was completely surprised and couldn't adjust....so MAB won easy. People need to give Marco a WHOLE lot more credit for that fight. And then Marco fought Marquez in a great match. People need to give Barrera his major props...the man is ending his career taking no easy route. Pac on the other hand has fought a shot Morales and some nobodies in his recent fights. Again...Pac will deservedly be the favorite in this rematch....but Marco is going to give a battle....and anything short of a completely focused and prepared Pac (and he always seems to have a million distractions in his life)....could find himself in serious trouble.
pac fought a shot morales? i remember barrera considering retirement after he lost the first fight with manny, then he started winning fights again and he wasn't shot after all. i hope you wouldn't say that after pac beats barrera again... oh, of course you will. and what if erik starts winning again? nah, imo erik isn't shot. he's just has outgrown the 130lb-division and wasn't motivated against raheem.
Erik getting stopped in 3 is not shot?! ::**
You obviously follow a cetain path! ;)
he was weight drained and he chose to slug it out with manny. it was either him or the pac.
He was weight drained, boxing drained and guts drained a fraction of the EM of old. He was nothing more than a paid employee and has nothing left. In his next fight you will see just that and of course all the Pac huggers will say Pac caused it rather than the accumulation of wars he was involved in. Where does it leave PAC if EM stinks up the place again ? Well obvious to all boxing fans except PAC fanatics.
he chose to slug slug it out with PAC ?....EM was never a KO artist he basically had nothing & was falling all over the ring even before Pac tagged him. He was neither fighting inside or outside. He had no strategy cuz he had no physical condition to go to war. EM basically quit to save his old ass from getting pummeled. Coming off his losses he had no business being in the ring and if were not all about money or involved a lesser known boxer he would not have been given the honor to fight and earn such a payday.
Re: Pacquiao Barrera II October 6th
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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by miles
The Morales of the 3rd fight was a shadow of what he had been before. Morales has such pride and as such gets drawn into wars easily. A shadow loses easily in a war and that is what Morales now is.
Barrera just fought as competively as one can do against Marquez without getting a knockdown scored. This is no shot Barrera. He did better than Pac against Marquez IMO...
He can still hang at the top. Barrera can and will fight for 12. Pac has been picking on left overs for a while now. Barrera can still impress. Im surprised he is being written off by so many.
Its a pick 'em and if Barrera is hungry enough then he can take it....
I agree that MAB is NOT a shot fighter. Most people saw that when he KD Marquez.
I just hope people (like you miles) who believes that MAB is NOT a shot fighter would give Pac some credits if he beats MAB for the 2nd time.
I will hate to hear
"Pac beat up another shot fighter".
hahahaha dressing up your gal Pac for the Prom !! MAB was slow and plodding against JMM and landed one lucky punch when JMM left himself open being offensive just as Soot did against BobPac. No outcome is going to camouflage the fact that MAB is many wars ahead of PAC, 5 years his senior. Win or lose the guy is fighting a geriatric boxer and the rematch is far too late. If it boxes slow with no speed or movement then he is old ( from the walk like a duck addage ) the guy is just old. No amount of text is gonna make him 25 again. If MAB wins well kudos to him but is just means PAC never polished up his rough edges and was over hyped. I thought only liquor got better with aging not beating the sh*it out of aged guys making a boxer better ....
Re: Pacquiao Barrera II October 6th
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Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxing
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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by miles
The Morales of the 3rd fight was a shadow of what he had been before. Morales has such pride and as such gets drawn into wars easily. A shadow loses easily in a war and that is what Morales now is.
Barrera just fought as competively as one can do against Marquez without getting a knockdown scored. This is no shot Barrera. He did better than Pac against Marquez IMO...
He can still hang at the top. Barrera can and will fight for 12. Pac has been picking on left overs for a while now. Barrera can still impress. Im surprised he is being written off by so many.
Its a pick 'em and if Barrera is hungry enough then he can take it....
I agree that MAB is NOT a shot fighter. Most people saw that when he KD Marquez.
I just hope people (like you miles) who believes that MAB is NOT a shot fighter would give Pac some credits if he beats MAB for the 2nd time.
I will hate to hear
"Pac beat up another shot fighter".
hahahaha dressing up your gal Pac for the Prom !! MAB was slow and plodding against JMM and landed one lucky punch when JMM left himself open being offensive just as Soot did against BobPac. No outcome is going to camouflage the fact that MAB is many wars ahead of PAC, 5 years his senior. Win or lose the guy is fighting a geriatric boxer and the rematch is far too late. If it boxes slow with no speed or movement then he is old ( from the walk like a duck addage ) the guy is just old. No amount of text is gonna make him 25 again. If MAB wins well kudos to him but is just means PAC never polished up his rough edges and was over hyped. I thought only liquor got better with aging not beating the sh*it out of aged guys making a boxer better ....
Hey if MAB floored JMM in his last fight, chances are he could do the same thing with Pac. So don't be naive of counting Barrera out.
Fwockin-A MAB is still a very dangerous fighter!
Re: Pacquiao Barrera II October 6th
I believe these guys to be threats to Manny in this order:JMM,Guzman,Valero,Soto,MAB. JMM had MAB beat comfortably in my and most repsected writers at other sites opinions. JMM was careless to leave himself open like that,he was on the verge of stopping MAB. MAB could not outbox JMM and dam sure as hell could not outbrawl him,so I don't think he will be able to against the Filpino firecracker,the Pac monster(that description sounds cool,doesnt it?Just read it somehere!)
Re: Pacquiao Barrera II October 6th
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
I believe these guys to be threats to Manny in this order:JMM,Guzman,Valero,Soto,MAB. JMM had MAB beat comfortably in my and most repsected writers at other sites opinions. JMM was careless to leave himself open like that,he was on the verge of stopping MAB. MAB could not outbox JMM and dam sure as hell could not outbrawl him,so I don't think he will be able to against the Filpino firecracker,the Pac monster(that description sounds cool,doesnt it?Just read it somehere!)
I think we saw quite the opposite . Barrera statistically came out on top he just wasnt given teh decision
The same thing happend in teh first Morales fight . He outbrawled and outboxed him but got robbed on the scorecards , however everyone knew he was the real winner so he got the superfight with Nas . Similar thing here . People know Barrera got the better of Marquez and thats why he is fighting Pac and Marquez is fighting the loser of Barrios - Guzman
Re: Pacquiao Barrera II October 6th
I thought Barrera clearly won the first Morales fight but I'm not sure how anybody could have seen him beating JMM. Clear decision IMO.
Anyway I'll be rooting for Barrera but I doubt he pulls it off.
Everybody talks about Barrera being on the slide, and I think he definitely is not the same as he used to be, who does. But wonder how long Pac has as an elite guy. His style is not built to last, especially since his speed is such a big factor. That and he started boxing young, taken a lot of punches.
Re: Pacquiao Barrera II October 6th
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Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxing
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Originally Posted by KKisser
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by KKisser
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Originally Posted by zhubin
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Originally Posted by dasamm
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
:o
NO FWOCKEN WAY!!!! :o
I think I just S*** my pants.... So where are all those anti-GBP people who kept talking S***! that GBP is the worst and that they don't care about the sport and blah! blah! blah!!
This is great so this means we could see JMM vs. PAC II early 2008 if they both win their next bouts....
I think those anti GBP people who were talking s*** were banned ;)
How about Soto though? Seems a lot were giving him a better chance then are giving Barrera, though MAB is a much bigger name and will make a bigger card.
No gonna lie I've only seen Soto-Bobby Pac so I can't judge.
Barrera has not looked himself. Lose to JMM understandable but two close fights vs Juarez is a bad sign. I thought Juarez should've lost to up-and-comer Hernandez.
Mab is pretty worn out, add another KO to Pac's record.
I love when people try to discredit MAB for his fights against Juarez. Juarez was one of the best young prospects in the business when he fought Marco...a young fighter with a tremendous punch. And please don't forget...in the first Juarez fight....Marco had been preparing to fight Chavez at 135. Chavez injured himself...and Marco had to get up to fight Juarez instead. He toughed that first Juarez fight out....showed he still can gut out a fight. In the second Juarez fight....Barrera put on a boxing clinic. Dancing. jabbing, and controlling the fight like a fighter many years younger. Juarez was completely surprised and couldn't adjust....so MAB won easy. People need to give Marco a WHOLE lot more credit for that fight. And then Marco fought Marquez in a great match. People need to give Barrera his major props...the man is ending his career taking no easy route. Pac on the other hand has fought a shot Morales and some nobodies in his recent fights. Again...Pac will deservedly be the favorite in this rematch....but Marco is going to give a battle....and anything short of a completely focused and prepared Pac (and he always seems to have a million distractions in his life)....could find himself in serious trouble.
pac fought a shot morales? i remember barrera considering retirement after he lost the first fight with manny, then he started winning fights again and he wasn't shot after all. i hope you wouldn't say that after pac beats barrera again... oh, of course you will. and what if erik starts winning again? nah, imo erik isn't shot. he's just has outgrown the 130lb-division and wasn't motivated against raheem.
Erik getting stopped in 3 is not shot?! ::**
You obviously follow a cetain path! ;)
he was weight drained and he chose to slug it out with manny. it was either him or the pac.
He was weight drained, boxing drained and guts drained a fraction of the EM of old. He was nothing more than a paid employee and has nothing left. In his next fight you will see just that and of course all the Pac huggers will say Pac caused it rather than the accumulation of wars he was involved in. Where does it leave PAC if EM stinks up the place again ? Well obvious to all boxing fans except PAC fanatics.
he chose to slug slug it out with PAC ?....EM was never a KO artist he basically had nothing & was falling all over the ring even before Pac tagged him. He was neither fighting inside or outside. He had no strategy cuz he had no physical condition to go to war. EM basically quit to save his old ass from getting pummeled. Coming off his losses he had no business being in the ring and if were not all about money or involved a lesser known boxer he would not have been given the honor to fight and earn such a payday.
we'll see how erik fares in his attempt to wrest a title in a 4th weight division. until then :-X
and oh, erik morales never a ko artist? check his fight record from the time he started up to 2003. i think it speaks for itself.
Re: Pacquiao Barrera II October 6th
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Originally Posted by Taeth
I don't see Barrera lasting very long. In his prime he could have given Pacquaio a run for his money judging on the first fight between Pacquaio and Morrales, but now I think Pacquaio ko's him every time.
I think Pacquiao is the one in trouble here. Word has it his focus isnt what it used to be since the Morales fight. When he first fought MAB, he came out of nowhere really; not a lot was known about him. I think he has been much studied and broken down by the Barrera team since then and that will play into this fight differently than the first; Barrera was obviously confused and overwhelmed. MAB has not seemed to be on the downward spiral. Everytime he has looked rusty like against Juarez the first time (which he still won somehow), he came back with a near shut out and then fought a great fight against Juan Manuel Marquez, which I still believe should have either gone to Marco or should have been a draw. This will be a much closer fight this time around against Manny and I think Barrera may have a few more surprises up his sleeve than even the boxings most avid fans and knowledgeable experts suspect. This guy is one of the best fighters of his generation, one of the top 3 best Mexican boxers ever, and never ceases to surprise me.
Re: Pacquiao Barrera II October 6th
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Originally Posted by GAME
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
I believe these guys to be threats to Manny in this order:JMM,Guzman,Valero,Soto,MAB. JMM had MAB beat comfortably in my and most repsected writers at other sites opinions. JMM was careless to leave himself open like that,he was on the verge of stopping MAB. MAB could not outbox JMM and dam sure as hell could not outbrawl him,so I don't think he will be able to against the Filpino firecracker,the Pac monster(that description sounds cool,doesnt it?Just read it somehere!)
I think we saw quite the opposite . Barrera statistically came out on top he just wasnt given teh decision
The same thing happend in teh first Morales fight . He outbrawled and outboxed him but got robbed on the scorecards , however everyone knew he was the real winner so he got the superfight with Nas . Similar thing here . People know Barrera got the better of Marquez and thats why he is fighting Pac and Marquez is fighting the loser of Barrios - Guzman
I can count the number of people who thought MAB outboxed and outbrawled JMM on one hand. And compubox is hardly a reliable source(see JT Spinks for reference,and MAB is nuthugged by HBO team as much as JT is).
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I thought Barrera clearly won the first Morales fight but I'm not sure how anybody could have seen him beating JMM. Clear decision IMO.
Anyway I'll be rooting for Barrera but I doubt he pulls it off.
Everybody talks about Barrera being on the slide, and I think he definitely is not the same as he used to be, who does. But wonder how long Pac has as an elite guy. His style is not built to last, especially since his speed is such a big factor. That and he started boxing young, taken a lot of punches.
CC totally agree.
