Re: Whats all the hype about calzaghe????
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Originally Posted by OwnedByPacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Tested?
Bika gave him a very rough night!
Robin Reid gave him a bitch of a fight.
Chris Eubank let loose and couldn't beat him.
And if i remember Salem fouled and roughed him up all night and koe still overcame.
I think he ment from a World class opponent Bika and Salem are far from world class and except for overhand right that Salem dropped Calzaghe with he had no real success except for being dirty and ditto for Bika.
Eubank was weight drained and past his best but fair play to Calzaghe because he was inexperienced and he dealt with smart experienced fighter like Eubank well.
And as for Reid i always thought Reid was step below World class he was outboxed by 40+ Sugar Boy Malinga shortly before Calzaghe fight but Calzaghe still done well but i thought the bout was a draw and if Reid wouldn't of had point deducted he would of won the fight on my card and also Calzaghe showed major weakness in Reid fight and it was that he couldn't stop right hands he was caught over and over again with right hands from Reid.
Reid was actually a hell of a fighter at the time that Joe beat him. I think he had lost once before that but he held the WBC or WBO belt & dended it 4 or 5 times prior to losing it to someone before he faced Joe.
Reid was a tuff nut to crack in his day & was pretty feared in his spot.
Many people underrate him...as they tend to do most of Calzaghe's opposition...either that or they offer up excuses to low rate him.
Kind of sad. No matter how many people Joe beats, no matter what he does, everyone's just waiting on him to lose.
Re: Whats all the hype about calzaghe????
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
magyar I'm giving you your first CC just because you've stood your ground in these sometimes very harsh boards.
I would also like to say that still no one has adressed the fact that you are 100% correct on most of what you have said. Some of you keep disecting his post and talking about whether or not he held the IBF belt... yeah I'm looking at you bzkfn, or whether or not he is the longest reigning champion in history. But all that crap don't matter.
Yes he is a very skilled boxer but the fact is that this is in fact hist first real test. For a fighter to be over 35 and been a champion for 10 years to meet his first test now is just plain ridiculous. Yes higned sight is 20/20. That means it is better than foresight. That means before, we didn't know but now we know. Jeff Lacy is and was a bumb.
Yeah...Rookie Fan. Appropriate name.
You obviously are unfamiliar with the names that Calzaghe beat & who & what they were when Joe beat them.
Names like Viet, Mkrtchian, Jimenez, Sheika, Reid, or Eubanks were'nt walk overs & when Calzaghe dismantled them they were legit opposition. You can plow through any champion's record & pull out names of fighters that were meager opposition. Be that as it may Joe defended his title on his own turf like many other fighters do...the difference is that when someone is ragging on Joe that's one of the main arguements...but if they trying to defend other fighters...that's alright for them...but not Joe.
Joe has been tested many times over the last 10 years & to say Lacy was a bum just further proves that you either don't know what your'e talking about or your'e just trying to tear into Calzaghe.
Just because Joe blew through everyone he's faced doesn't make them bums.
You need to recognize that...the both of you.
Well put, i never called Lacy a bum I called him a no-body because he has yet to prove himself, so until he does that thats exactly what he is
Re: Whats all the hype about calzaghe????
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Originally Posted by magyar2007
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
magyar I'm giving you your first CC just because you've stood your ground in these sometimes very harsh boards.
I would also like to say that still no one has adressed the fact that you are 100% correct on most of what you have said. Some of you keep disecting his post and talking about whether or not he held the IBF belt... yeah I'm looking at you bzkfn, or whether or not he is the longest reigning champion in history. But all that crap don't matter.
Yes he is a very skilled boxer but the fact is that this is in fact hist first real test. For a fighter to be over 35 and been a champion for 10 years to meet his first test now is just plain ridiculous. Yes higned sight is 20/20. That means it is better than foresight. That means before, we didn't know but now we know. Jeff Lacy is and was a bumb.
Yeah...Rookie Fan. Appropriate name.
You obviously are unfamiliar with the names that Calzaghe beat & who & what they were when Joe beat them.
Names like Viet, Mkrtchian, Jimenez, Sheika, Reid, or Eubanks were'nt walk overs & when Calzaghe dismantled them they were legit opposition. You can plow through any champion's record & pull out names of fighters that were meager opposition. Be that as it may Joe defended his title on his own turf like many other fighters do...the difference is that when someone is ragging on Joe that's one of the main arguements...but if they trying to defend other fighters...that's alright for them...but not Joe.
Joe has been tested many times over the last 10 years & to say Lacy was a bum just further proves that you either don't know what your'e talking about or your'e just trying to tear into Calzaghe.
Just because Joe blew through everyone he's faced doesn't make them bums.
You need to recognize that...the both of you.
Well put, i never called Lacy a bum I called him a no-body because he has yet to prove himself, so until he does that thats exactly what he is
You didn't call Lacy a bum but you called him a nobody??? Same thing really bro', that's just playing semantics with people.
Re: Whats all the hype about calzaghe????
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by OwnedByPacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Tested?
Bika gave him a very rough night!
Robin Reid gave him a bitch of a fight.
Chris Eubank let loose and couldn't beat him.
And if i remember Salem fouled and roughed him up all night and koe still overcame.
I think he ment from a World class opponent Bika and Salem are far from world class and except for overhand right that Salem dropped Calzaghe with he had no real success except for being dirty and ditto for Bika.
Eubank was weight drained and past his best but fair play to Calzaghe because he was inexperienced and he dealt with smart experienced fighter like Eubank well.
And as for Reid i always thought Reid was step below World class he was outboxed by 40+ Sugar Boy Malinga shortly before Calzaghe fight but Calzaghe still done well but i thought the bout was a draw and if Reid wouldn't of had point deducted he would of won the fight on my card and also Calzaghe showed major weakness in Reid fight and it was that he couldn't stop right hands he was caught over and over again with right hands from Reid.
Reid was actually a hell of a fighter at the time that Joe beat him. I think he had lost once before that but he held the WBC or WBO belt & dended it 4 or 5 times prior to losing it to someone before he faced Joe.
Reid was a tuff nut to crack in his day & was pretty feared in his spot.
Many people underrate him...as they tend to do most of Calzaghe's opposition...either that or they offer up excuses to low rate him.
Kind of sad. No matter how many people Joe beats, no matter what he does, everyone's just waiting on him to lose.
Im just being honest Wacko and i agree Reid was tough but he was never World class imo i also thought he was step below World class a 40+ Sugar Boy Malinga outboxed Reid Clearly i give Calzaghe credit for the win it was one of Calzaghe's better wins but i thought the bout was a draw.
Re: Whats all the hype about calzaghe????
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Originally Posted by OwnedByPacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
magyar I'm giving you your first CC just because you've stood your ground in these sometimes very harsh boards.
I would also like to say that still no one has adressed the fact that you are 100% correct on most of what you have said. Some of you keep disecting his post and talking about whether or not he held the IBF belt... yeah I'm looking at you bzkfn, or whether or not he is the longest reigning champion in history. But all that crap don't matter.
Yes he is a very skilled boxer but the fact is that this is in fact hist first real test. For a fighter to be over 35 and been a champion for 10 years to meet his first test now is just plain ridiculous. Yes higned sight is 20/20. That means it is better than foresight. That means before, we didn't know but now we know. Jeff Lacy is and was a bumb.
Yeah...Rookie Fan. Appropriate name.
You obviously are unfamiliar with the names that Calzaghe beat & who & what they were when Joe beat them.
Names like Viet, Mkrtchian, Jimenez, Sheika, Reid, or Eubanks were'nt walk overs & when Calzaghe dismantled them they were legit opposition. You can plow through any champion's record & pull out names of fighters that were meager opposition. Be that as it may Joe defended his title on his own turf like many other fighters do...the difference is that when someone is ragging on Joe that's one of the main arguements...but if they trying to defend other fighters...that's alright for them...but not Joe.
Joe has been tested many times over the last 10 years & to say Lacy was a bum just further proves that you either don't know what your'e talking about or your'e just trying to tear into Calzaghe.
Just because Joe blew through everyone he's faced doesn't make them bums.
You need to recognize that...the both of you.
Did you know Wacko that Jimenez went distance with Nigel Benn, Roberto Duran, Chris Eubank, and he even knocked down Roberto Duran plus Calzaghe was the first man to stop him ??
Nah babe...I think that you're talkin about Ferreyra...not Jimenez. Juan Carlos Gimenez Ferreyra are two different fighters. Ferreyra is the man that faced all those guys.
Re: Whats all the hype about calzaghe????
When Calzaghe beats kessler as he most likely will......will these haters man up?
There is no hype about Calzaghe because he is proven. He is the best in his division and has been for a bloody long time..
Re: Whats all the hype about calzaghe????
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by OwnedByPacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
magyar I'm giving you your first CC just because you've stood your ground in these sometimes very harsh boards.
I would also like to say that still no one has adressed the fact that you are 100% correct on most of what you have said. Some of you keep disecting his post and talking about whether or not he held the IBF belt... yeah I'm looking at you bzkfn, or whether or not he is the longest reigning champion in history. But all that crap don't matter.
Yes he is a very skilled boxer but the fact is that this is in fact hist first real test. For a fighter to be over 35 and been a champion for 10 years to meet his first test now is just plain ridiculous. Yes higned sight is 20/20. That means it is better than foresight. That means before, we didn't know but now we know. Jeff Lacy is and was a bumb.
Yeah...Rookie Fan. Appropriate name.
You obviously are unfamiliar with the names that Calzaghe beat & who & what they were when Joe beat them.
Names like Viet, Mkrtchian, Jimenez, Sheika, Reid, or Eubanks were'nt walk overs & when Calzaghe dismantled them they were legit opposition. You can plow through any champion's record & pull out names of fighters that were meager opposition. Be that as it may Joe defended his title on his own turf like many other fighters do...the difference is that when someone is ragging on Joe that's one of the main arguements...but if they trying to defend other fighters...that's alright for them...but not Joe.
Joe has been tested many times over the last 10 years & to say Lacy was a bum just further proves that you either don't know what your'e talking about or your'e just trying to tear into Calzaghe.
Just because Joe blew through everyone he's faced doesn't make them bums.
You need to recognize that...the both of you.
Did you know Wacko that Jimenez went distance with Nigel Benn, Roberto Duran, Chris Eubank, and he even knocked down Roberto Duran plus Calzaghe was the first man to stop him ??
Nah babe...I think that you're talkin about Ferreyra...not Jimenez. Juan Carlos Gimenez Ferreyra are two different fighters. Ferreyra is the man that faced all those guys.
Ahh my bad i misread what you said nvm thanks for correcting me anyway.
Re: Whats all the hype about calzaghe????
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Originally Posted by miles
When Calzaghe beats kessler as he most likely will......will these haters man up?
There is no hype about Calzaghe because he is proven. He is the best in his division and has been for a bloody long time..
:coolclick: Very well stated.
Even if he were to lose to Kessler...which I doubt...but even if he were...he's done everything that he's said & he's done it in a damned fine style.
Re: Whats all the hype about calzaghe????
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by miles
When Calzaghe beats kessler as he most likely will......will these haters man up?
There is no hype about Calzaghe because he is proven. He is the best in his division and has been for a bloody long time..
:coolclick: Very well stated.
Even if he were to lose to Kessler...which I doubt...but even if he were...he's done everything that he's said & he's done it in a damned fine style.
:coolclick:, right back
Calzaghe gets a rough deal. He really does. And it is a shame because he really is such a great boxer to watch. Seldom a dull moment.
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I wasn't really trying to be corrective...but those two are good examples of people misreading the opposition.
The Gimenez (Ferreyra) you are talking about went to battle with Benn, Eubank, & but Joe was the only one to stop him up to that point. I think that he's been stopped since though...technically his corner stopped the bout against Joe...but it's still a stoppage. If I aint mistaken that cat's still fighting & he's in his late 40's I think. He was a tough fighter in his heyday!
The Jimenez I am talking about fought tooth & nail & stopped Mercado. The same Mercado who fought Hopkins to a standstill, dropped him a few times, & drew with him. In the rematch he then got blasted out by Bernard, who back in the days was a knockout artist...you could go on to say that Hopkins ruined him & sweetened him up for Jimenez...but either way Mercado still had shades of his prior rawness & Jimenez wasted him inside 5 rounds. It took Hopkins something like 7 or 8.
Puts the opposition into perspective. I have that fight on disc & was just impressed with how Joe worked him down the stretch. You have to really watch Joe when he fights...& I mean really pay attention to what he does & how he does. He's a pretty good finisher too.
Re: Whats all the hype about calzaghe????
WOW. I step out to lunch and 20+ posts have been made. Take it easy on the rookie guys >:mad
Ok Maybe bumb was to harsh of a word. Lets just say Lacy was far from top tier and more than a little green at the time.
Eubank was well passed it.
Bika, Salem.....who?
Robin Ried might be the only one that qualifies and he didn't do that well did he.
I like to point something out. My post was more a show of support to a new member that was getting bombarded. I always put a lot of stock on long reigning champions and give Joe all respect for defending his title so successfully for so long.
But I stand by what I said. He has yet to fight a true threat to his throne till now. I'm going to settle this with two simple questions.
1) What has Mikkel Kessler done to be considered a world class fighter?
2) Is Mikkel Kessler the biggest challange in Joe Calzaghe's career?
Re: Whats all the hype about calzaghe????
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Originally Posted by miles
Calzaghe gets a rough deal. He really does. And it is a shame because he really is such a great boxer to watch. Seldom a dull moment.
He does indeed get the short end of the stick. I've never understood it.
You hit the nail on the head...he is exciting. All of his fights have something explosive in them. I loved the fight against...I think it was either Ashira or Salem...I can't remember which one it was...I'd have to hit the tapes to nail it shut...but it was one of the fights were he fwocked his hand up & kept on fighting to keep his title.
You could actually hear his hand crack when he wacked the guy. It was early in the fight...maybe the 3rd or 4th round & he went the full distance. Everytime he used his hand you could see him draw back in pain.
It got dirty as hell. Both men were using their elbows & heads & it was a gutty battle. The gent knew Calzaghe's hand was fwocked & I guess he thought he was going to take the title. Joe just boxed his ass off to keep the win & the strap.
It was a really really gutty showing for Calzaghe.
Same thing goes for the Mitchell fight. Joe got dropped & then jumps up & stops the guy almost immediately.
Shit like that does it for me.
Re: Whats all the hype about calzaghe????
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
I wasn't really trying to be corrective...but those two are good examples of people misreading the opposition.
The Gimenez (Ferreyra) you are talking about went to battle with Benn, Eubank, & but Joe was the only one to stop him up to that point. I think that he's been stopped since though...technically his corner stopped the bout against Joe...but it's still a stoppage. If I aint mistaken that cat's still fighting & he's in his late 40's I think. He was a tough fighter in his heyday!
The Jimenez I am talking about fought tooth & nail & stopped Mercado. The same Mercado who fought Hopkins to a standstill, dropped him a few times, & drew with him. In the rematch he then got blasted out by Bernard, who back in the days was a knockout artist...you could go on to say that Hopkins ruined him & sweetened him up for Jimenez...but either way Mercado still had shades of his prior rawness & Jimenez wasted him inside 5 rounds. It took Hopkins something like 7 or 8.
Puts the opposition into perspective. I have that fight on disc & was just impressed with how Joe worked him down the stretch. You have to really watch Joe when he fights...& I mean really pay attention to what he does & how he does. He's a pretty good finisher too.
I have Joes career set Wacko i just misread his name.
As for Mercado i never thought he was that much yes he dropped a green Hopkins twice but in the rematch he was blasted out then after the fight with Hopkins he fought 8 times and only won once so i never thought he was that much to be honest Wacko so Jimenez stopping him in 5 doesn't impress me that much and Jimenez himself wasn't that much because after the Calzaghe fight i remember seeing his fight with Brian Magee and he was totally outboxed and lost lopsided decision.
Re: Whats all the hype about calzaghe????
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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
WOW. I step out to lunch and 20+ posts have been made. Take it easy on the rookie guys >:mad
Ok Maybe bumb was to harsh of a word. Lets just say Lacy was far from top tier and more than a little green at the time.
Eubank was well passed it.
Bika, Salem.....who?
Robin Ried might be the only one that qualifies and he didn't do that well did he.
Bika, Salem, & Reid were all ranked contenders & were available for Joe to face at that time.
Reid also held a belt prior to fighting Joe & had defended it a few times prior to facing Joe. The fight he lost was a step up to get to Joe. He lost it. Can't recall who it was against.
Shit happens.
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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
I like to point something out. My post was more a show of support to a new member that was getting bombarded. I always put a lot of stock on long reigning champions and give Joe all respect for defending his title so successfully for so long.
But I stand by what I said. He has yet to fight a true threat to his throne till now. I'm going to settle this with two simple questions.
Nothing wrong with supporting a member...but by his own admission he stated that he worded his post rather harshly or wrong.
If you stop to think about it...he got replied to immediately & forcefully because he was ripping into many fans favorite fighters.
You have to expect responses that you are not going to like when you do that.
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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
1) What has Mikkel Kessler done to be considered a world class fighter?
2) Is Mikkel Kessler the biggest challange in Joe Calzaghe's career?
1: Kessler has beaten top opposition & has the other 2 belts. He is the #1 ranked contender.
That's an easy answer to a question that I am shocked you asked.
2: Not the biggest...but he's stiff opposition. Eubank, Lacy, Gimenez, & many other fighters in their times were pretty big tests.
He rates the biggest chance due to his youth & power.
Re: Whats all the hype about calzaghe????
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Originally Posted by OwnedByPacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
I wasn't really trying to be corrective...but those two are good examples of people misreading the opposition.
The Gimenez (Ferreyra) you are talking about went to battle with Benn, Eubank, & but Joe was the only one to stop him up to that point. I think that he's been stopped since though...technically his corner stopped the bout against Joe...but it's still a stoppage. If I aint mistaken that cat's still fighting & he's in his late 40's I think. He was a tough fighter in his heyday!
The Jimenez I am talking about fought tooth & nail & stopped Mercado. The same Mercado who fought Hopkins to a standstill, dropped him a few times, & drew with him. In the rematch he then got blasted out by Bernard, who back in the days was a knockout artist...you could go on to say that Hopkins ruined him & sweetened him up for Jimenez...but either way Mercado still had shades of his prior rawness & Jimenez wasted him inside 5 rounds. It took Hopkins something like 7 or 8.
Puts the opposition into perspective. I have that fight on disc & was just impressed with how Joe worked him down the stretch. You have to really watch Joe when he fights...& I mean really pay attention to what he does & how he does. He's a pretty good finisher too.
I have Joes career set Wacko i just misread his name.
As for Mercado i never thought he was that much yes he dropped a green Hopkins twice but in the rematch he was blasted out then after the fight with Hopkins he fought 8 times and only won once so i never thought he was that much to be honest Wacko so Jimenez stopping him in 5 doesn't impress me that much and Jimenez himself wasn't that much because after the Calzaghe fight i remember seeing his fight with Brian Magee and he was totally outboxed and lost lopsided decision.
I see where you are coming from...but prior to the Calzaghe loss Jimenez was either a 4th or 5th ranked contender @ 168lbs & I think he had 1 or 2 losses on his record. I hate to play guess work here with no tape in front of me, but he was a fighter coming up that Joe handled fairly well as he did most of his opposition.
Everyone acts like he faced a bunch of fall guys & that's just not the case.
