Re: This was the real deal between Calzaghe and Hopkins in 2002!
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
but not one answered my question....
EXPLAIN TO ME EXACTLY HOW HOPKINS FEARS CALZAGHE BECAUSE HE DECIDED TO SAY THE HELL WITH YOU GUYS YOU LIKE TO PLAY BULLSHIT GAMES THEN I WANT 6MILLION NOW F**** THE 3 I AGREED UPON....Or have they showed me one example of where Hopkins was scared or how he was scared to fight Calzaghe....It was politics and that was that!!! trying to even get a debate with a Calzaghe fan is impossible!!!!......I have heard guys on these boards claim...not in this exact thread but guys I have argued with on this thread...claim Calzaghe would have destroyed Roy Jones at 168 if they met prime for prime.....
Hopkins was supposed to give up his belt or waste his time with Calzaghe because Warren and Joe said so and the fans here who are rubbing themselves right this minute with pictures of Calzaghe wishing they could clean his underwear for a living....
I will not debate with another Calzaghe fan here again....Everyone can cry and say what they want but fact is just as they claim Hopkins, Jones, Tyson, Lewis, Ali Marciano and everyone else avoids Calzaghe and half those guys retired over 25yrs ago or more and not even in the SMW division.......My question was not answered...PERIOD!!!!!
If Kessler beats Joe next week what will they do then?? Half will commit suicide the other half send him letters asking if they can massage his nuts....
First off Daxx, have a beer, smoke a joint, and chill the f**k out. I believed it wasn't your question which was never answered, but mine. I never said I believe Hopkins fears Calzaghe per se, I just said that I don't buy the excuse that you're putting forward for Hopkins doubling his demands. He is offered a sum of money, accepts it, and after thinking about it decides to double his demands. And by "bulls**t games", do you mean agreeing to fight in the USA and offering him a career high purse in a catchweight fight that would not affect the status of Hopkins' title? Because they don't fall into my definition of "bulls**t games". And as Bomp says, Hopkins and Jones are just as bad for negotiation as are the Calzaghe camp, as shown by this episode.
And for the record, I have never given Frank Warren nor Joe Calzaghe a blowjob, nor am I either man's bitch. Should Joe lose on Saturday, I will not commit suicide nor write him a letter asking to massage his nuts. I'll probably go home, have a couple of beers, and talk over the fight with some mates. Possibly come on here, and talk about it some too.
Than your not as big a fan as Preme is. :splurt:
Re: This was the real deal between Calzaghe and Hopkins in 2002!
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
but not one answered my question....
EXPLAIN TO ME EXACTLY HOW HOPKINS FEARS CALZAGHE BECAUSE HE DECIDED TO SAY THE HELL WITH YOU GUYS YOU LIKE TO PLAY BULLSHIT GAMES THEN I WANT 6MILLION NOW F**** THE 3 I AGREED UPON....Or have they showed me one example of where Hopkins was scared or how he was scared to fight Calzaghe....It was politics and that was that!!! trying to even get a debate with a Calzaghe fan is impossible!!!!......I have heard guys on these boards claim...not in this exact thread but guys I have argued with on this thread...claim Calzaghe would have destroyed Roy Jones at 168 if they met prime for prime.....
Hopkins was supposed to give up his belt or waste his time with Calzaghe because Warren and Joe said so and the fans here who are rubbing themselves right this minute with pictures of Calzaghe wishing they could clean his underwear for a living....
I will not debate with another Calzaghe fan here again....Everyone can cry and say what they want but fact is just as they claim Hopkins, Jones, Tyson, Lewis, Ali Marciano and everyone else avoids Calzaghe and half those guys retired over 25yrs ago or more and not even in the SMW division.......My question was not answered...PERIOD!!!!!
If Kessler beats Joe next week what will they do then?? Half will commit suicide the other half send him letters asking if they can massage his nuts....
First off Daxx, have a beer, smoke a joint, and chill the f**k out. I believed it wasn't your question which was never answered, but mine. I never said I believe Hopkins fears Calzaghe per se, I just said that I don't buy the excuse that you're putting forward for Hopkins doubling his demands. He is offered a sum of money, accepts it, and after thinking about it decides to double his demands. And by "bulls**t games", do you mean agreeing to fight in the USA and offering him a career high purse in a catchweight fight that would not affect the status of Hopkins' title? Because they don't fall into my definition of "bulls**t games". And as Bomp says, Hopkins and Jones are just as bad for negotiation as are the Calzaghe camp, as shown by this episode.
And for the record, I have never given Frank Warren nor Joe Calzaghe a blowjob, nor am I either man's bitch. Should Joe lose on Saturday, I will not commit suicide nor write him a letter asking to massage his nuts. I'll probably go home, have a couple of beers, and talk over the fight with some mates. Possibly come on here, and talk about it some too.
Than your not as big a fan as Preme is. :splurt:
this coming fromt he most laughed at user on the board lol? anyone else i might wonder why, seriously WV - ur get a hard on for just about ever latino fighter who laces the gloves up, i mean shit mate how many times are going to pick ur guy to win by KO before u wake up...
I got a job to do and i do it, u lol you just post bullshit to make people who read these forums laugh at you.
Re: This was the real deal between Calzaghe and Hopkins in 2002!
I really dont think there would be a lot of interest in a Hopkins-Calzaghe fight in 2002 and that wasnt really a fight that needed to happen cause Hopkins still had options at 160 and was not struggling much with the weight so i dont blame him for not fighting Calzaghe.
Re: This was the real deal between Calzaghe and Hopkins in 2002!
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
Interestingly enough the part of the story that makes it BS has allready been pointed out,and missed.
King isnt Hopkins promoter,and Bernard doesnt like him a little bit,so there is no way hed have been negotiating with King as his prole promotional representitive
Its a BS story,but the Calzeghe people would love for it to be true,because that way Joe hasnt dodged anyone,they dodged him.
Bernard wouldnt have done it at the time,he wanted the record for consecutive title defenses,and even if he had tried,King wouldnt have been his Promotional Representive
So what you're saying is that Jay Larkin is a liar, and that the scenario he described is entirely fictional?
Larkin saying that he arranged that fight in another interview, but that Hopkins reneged on the deal.
http://archive.southwalesargus.co.uk.../30/66918.html
Larkin calling Hopkins extremely volatile and unpredictable.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mai...0/soboxx30.xml
Re: This was the real deal between Calzaghe and Hopkins in 2002!
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Daxx,
Whilst you and Preme can get into the semantics of what each of you said, the basic fact which is at the bottom of this whole argument, and which you have failed to provide an answer for is this:
Bernard Hopkins had said that he wanted $3 million to fight Calzaghe and wanted the fight in the states. Warren offered that to him, and then when our Mr Hopkins hears that offer, he decides to up his demands to $6 million.
The one thing you have failed to answer is why he decided to up his offer, except for your assertion that it was because he wanted to dictate the terms of their meeting. The flaw there, is that he had already dictated the terms in a fight in the states at $3 million. All you've put forward still fails to answer why Hopkins reneged on the deal he'd demanded.
Answer me that, if you will, Mr Kahn.
I have stated it several times Rhun...Hopkins decided he did not want to let them dictate the terms...The 3 mil was not Hopkins price it was their offer...did he accept is at fisrt yes...but then rethought it.....He decided that there were enough games and negotiation BS and enough of things having to be done their way....Let me ask you this how many times did they go into negotiations then Calzaghes people decide the terms agreed upon was not to their liking?.....Hopkins is the bad guy for giving them a taste of their own medicine??...
Now leave me ask you this why is it that no matter who Calzaghe and his people seem to negotiate with it seems to be a never ending problem?.....EVERY FIGHTER!!!....If Kessler did not decide to say the hell with it I'll go to Him and fight the bout they would not be fighting on the 3rd....Really sit and think...name a fighter who has not had theese problems with them???....Calzaghe and his people....(and again I only say Calzaghe because it is his camp but in reality he does none of the negotiations....A reason why I went on the Warren tangent last night) Have earned a reputation as being the hardest people in boxing to make a deal with....
After a while Rhun it can't be everyone else thats the problem especially when these guys seem to make fights with other camps with no such road blocks.....Or is it another case of everyone is AFRAID of Calzaghe?
But now I have answered your question why has someone not answered mine?
How does Hopkins changing his price equal him avoiding Calzaghe?...How does this mean he is just trying to do what ever he can not to fight Joe?....anyone explain this to me,,,,the fear Hopkins has in Calzaghe?.....
Everyone is afraid of the man who can land 1000 punches but not get the KO?
I aint tryin gang up on ya...but both men have the exact same number of knockouts & close to the same amount of fights give or take four or five bouts.
Here's my thing...I have never known Hopkins to run from a challenge. Never...but when you agree to a bout...when you say YES to $3 mill & then a few days down the stretch switch up to $6 mill...that don't swing in your favor. It just does not.
Joe has always been regarded as a danger man by all around his weight. Hopkins & Jones both have spoken of Joe both respectfully & disrespectfully. Both have wanted him on their terms...& Warren has pushed his terms & it has made for difficult...almost impossible terms. Now...Hopkins is his own man 100%. He has the ability to do whatever & whenever for what ever amount he wants.
Now he wants Joe...now that Joe is the name...now that Joe has the lead on defenses...now that Joe is regarded as one of the best in the game...Bernard wants to make the match happen.
That in turn should also speak some bounds...especially off of what he said during the Maskaev fight.
The fight wasn't worth his time when he thought he was gonna get Maskaev...that fell through & now Joe is top of the page.
I love Hopkins...but he is well known for being IMPOSSIBLE at the negotiation points of the game.
You know what Wacko and this has nothing to do with you...But I am disgusted with 99% of the Calzaghe fans on this board....every Calzaghe fan I have debated with has spoke out of their a**...Not one single person on this board who wants to give Calzaghe a hand job AND THERE IS A F****** LOT OF THEM!!!!! Ha answered my question...they all sated how they want to blow Calzaghe and be Warrens B****** but not one answered my question....
EXPLAIN TO ME EXACTLY HOW HOPKINS FEARS CALZAGHE BECAUSE HE DECIDED TO SAY THE HELL WITH YOU GUYS YOU LIKE TO PLAY BULLSHIT GAMES THEN I WANT 6MILLION NOW F**** THE 3 I AGREED UPON....Or have they showed me one example of where Hopkins was scared or how he was scared to fight Calzaghe....It was politics and that was that!!! trying to even get a debate with a Calzaghe fan is impossible!!!!......I have heard guys on these boards claim...not in this exact thread but guys I have argued with on this thread...claim Calzaghe would have destroyed Roy Jones at 168 if they met prime for prime.....
Hopkins was supposed to give up his belt or waste his time with Calzaghe because Warren and Joe said so and the fans here who are rubbing themselves right this minute with pictures of Calzaghe wishing they could clean his underwear for a living....
I will not debate with another Calzaghe fan here again....Everyone can cry and say what they want but fact is just as they claim Hopkins, Jones, Tyson, Lewis, Ali Marciano and everyone else avoids Calzaghe and half those guys retired over 25yrs ago or more and not even in the SMW division.......My question was not answered...PERIOD!!!!!
I rarely EVER go off like this but this is S*** I expect from ESB or Boxing Scene boards not here.....
So they can Sad Click me,, they can make comments,,,they can say truth hurts...I don't care...I hope I log on tommorow and have a 1000 sad clicks....
Each one who makes a comment and each one who has not answered how Hopkins avoided Calzaghe in fear of being beaten by him due to deciding to say screww you Now I want 6mil are the same guys who take showers at night wishing Calzaghe was in their mouth and Warren in their a**......
If Kessler beats Joe next week what will they do then?? Half will commit suicide the other half send him letters asking if they can massage his nuts....
I tend to agree with what u say. 3 millionwas a good purse for Hopkins in 2002, but u can bet your bottom dollar that absolutely everything else in the contract Warren offered would have been in Joe Calzaghes favor. The fight would have been where Warren wnated @168 and no doubt Joe would have made more than 3 million. So hopkins did exactly what he should have done and asked for more money. Warren refused and so Hopkins is scared of Calzaghe????
This is the same Hopkins who took inh arguably the greatest and most feared fighter of the last 15 years in RJJ and never took a backward step. How can a guy who fought the majority of his career at 160 yet fought the 175 champ (tarver) be scared to fight Joe C. If Hopkins was scared of anything it was bwing ripped off and maybe fighting Joe on unfair terms.
The next questions are when has Joe C ever fought anyone under their terms? At their home venue? And made less money? He has not.
So Daxx i coolclick you cos even tho u maybe got a bit fired up then i agree with everything u say. It is almost impossible to say a bad word against Joe C on this site without getting a heap of SC's and a massive amount of abuse from his fanboys. Him more than any other fighter mentioned on this site.
Hopkins fought Roy Jones for
$150,000
He wanted
$6 million to fight Calzaghe
Says it all.
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He fought RJJ in 1993 and hadnt even won a world title yet. By 2002 Hopkins had 17 defenses and was the undisputed MW champ. hence the difference in the amount of money in the 2 fights. So u look stupid for even saying that.
U never answered the question, who would have made more money if Hopkins had taken the 3 million, of course its Joe and that wouldnt have been fair since Hopkins had the much better resume in 2002.
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Well we do not know how much money Cal would of made but eagle 3 mill that is a lot of money for Bernard and it not like Cal wasn't a undefeated champion so i do not see why he did not take it to tell you the truth and will never know
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Well we do not know how much money Cal would of made but eagle 3 mill that is a lot of money for Bernard and it not like Cal wasn't a undefeated champion so i do not see why he did not take it to tell you the truth and will never know
The reason is because everything else was stacked in Joes favor. Why should Joe get more money than Hopkins, when hopkins had fought the tougher opponents and had unified 160, when all joe had done was win the wbo belt at that stage.
Re: This was the real deal between Calzaghe and Hopkins in 2002!
Yea but at the same time he did beat about everyone there was to beat in his division and for 3 mill i think Bernard would take it
Re: This was the real deal between Calzaghe and Hopkins in 2002!
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Yea but at the same time he did beat about everyone there was to beat in his division and for 3 mill i think Bernard would take it
In 2002 Joes biggest win was a shot Eubank. He hadnt even beat Lacy yet. If Joe and Frank were so desperate for the fight why didnt they take a paycut and give Bernard the 6 million? U wanna know why, cos they were more interested in the money than the actual fight, yet when Bernard went after more money they accused him of being scared. Massive hypocrisy going on there.
And as if they wanna prove my point i got 3 SC's from the Joe C fanboys last night which just shows that if u say anything negative against him u are attacked more than if u are critical of any other fighter on this forum.
Re: This was the real deal between Calzaghe and Hopkins in 2002!
Eagle i never said he was scared but i do think he wanted a fight with more reward less risk meaning a bigger name that he would most likely win
Re: This was the real deal between Calzaghe and Hopkins in 2002!
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
Interestingly enough the part of the story that makes it BS has allready been pointed out,and missed.
King isnt Hopkins promoter,and Bernard doesnt like him a little bit,so there is no way hed have been negotiating with King as his prole promotional representitive
Its a BS story,but the Calzeghe people would love for it to be true,because that way Joe hasnt dodged anyone,they dodged him.
Bernard wouldnt have done it at the time,he wanted the record for consecutive title defenses,and even if he had tried,King wouldnt have been his Promotional Representive
So what you're saying is that Jay Larkin is a liar, and that the scenario he described is entirely fictional?
Larkin saying that he arranged that fight in another interview, but that Hopkins reneged on the deal.
http://archive.southwalesargus.co.uk.../30/66918.html
Larkin calling Hopkins extremely volatile and unpredictable.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mai...0/soboxx30.xml
Well he must be because at the time Hopkins managed himself,and wasnt represented by Mr King in any way shape or form
So there would be no need for Mr King to be in the room
In other words,lets create a nice myth the fannies will by,that everyone else will know is BS,where it wasnt Joe ducking the world,the world ducked Joe
Before he signed on with Golden Boy,Bernard allways represented himself,and if you knew anything about anything,youd know that at the time Bernard's biggest goal was 20 defenses
Re: This was the real deal between Calzaghe and Hopkins in 2002!
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Interestingly enough the part of the story that makes it BS has allready been pointed out,and missed.
King isnt Hopkins promoter,and Bernard doesnt like him a little bit,so there is no way hed have been negotiating with King as his prole promotional representitive
Its a BS story,but the Calzeghe people would love for it to be true,because that way Joe hasnt dodged anyone,they dodged him.
Bernard wouldnt have done it at the time,he wanted the record for consecutive title defenses,and even if he had tried,King wouldnt have been his Promotional Representive
So what you're saying is that Jay Larkin is a liar, and that the scenario he described is entirely fictional?
Larkin saying that he arranged that fight in another interview, but that Hopkins reneged on the deal.
http://archive.southwalesargus.co.uk.../30/66918.html
Larkin calling Hopkins extremely volatile and unpredictable.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mai...0/soboxx30.xml
Well he must be because at the time Hopkins managed himself,and wasnt represented by Mr King in any way shape or form
So there would be no need for Mr King to be in the room
In other words,lets create a nice myth the fannies will by,that everyone else will know is BS,where it wasnt Joe ducking the world,the world ducked Joe
Before he signed on with Golden Boy,Bernard allways represented himself,and if you knew anything about anything,youd know that at the time Bernard's biggest goal was 20 defenses
Now then, a quick glance across the thread has around 8 posters believing Jay Larkin's statement, 6 people poo-pooing it, and three or four not expressing direct opinions either way. So what you're really saying is that the majority of the posters here expressing opinions here are fannies???
Even Daxx is willing to accept that Hopkins was in on the deal in some way:
"Rhun we know the fight was rejected but it is the reasons why the camp of Warren and his people give that is pure BS!!!...Like I stated in my last post it was not rejected because Hopkins was avoiding Calzaghe...people hear this and all of a sudden it is ...Oh B-hop was soo scared to fight Calzaghe he turned down 3 million.....Are we kidding here??...Any man be it Hopkins or otherwise would fight 3 bears with steak's taped to their a** for 3 mil......It has nothing to do with the 3 mil it has to do with the fact he refused to let Warren and his team dictate the terms.....Period... .
As far as King goes Hopkins fighting for him has nothing to do with it we all know King can care less about terms or what is right all he wants is his cut...."
and people sit in on meetings they might not neccassarily have any direct interest in, but may want to move in on all the time, so I just can't see it being so far fetched for him to have been there.
Re: This was the real deal between Calzaghe and Hopkins in 2002!
Wow! I am not sure what I just walked into here but with the risk of being banished before I even get started around here I will say this. We don't know what the actual terms were for the fight. We all know that in boxing everyone tends to exaggerate a bit and will always say what they have to so they look like the good guy who was being screwed.
In 2002 Joe Calzaghe was still looking for respect he had not really yet earned. As much as people hate to admit it he was still in need of proving himself at that point. In 2002 his only wins over some real names were Chris Eubank, Omar Sheika, Mario Veit and Charles Brewer. Eubank was on his way out, Sheika was and no real big accomplishment and Brewer had lost his title years before to Ottke who had not even had 15 fights yet. To make matters worse the WBO title was a joke at the time.
Bernard Hopkins would mess up a lottery win. If he hit for 10 million he would call up and tell them he wanted 25 because thats what the guy won last month. That is not a secret, If I am correct here Hopkins did not get his first million dollar pay day until the middleweight unifaction tourney in 2001 or somewhere near that time. Any man who holds a title above 140 pounds and is champion more then 5 years before making 7 figures in this day and age shows he is not exactly the most easy guy to negotiate with. Bi-polar in the pocket book if you will
One guy claims 3 million another 6 million, but the question really is had anyone signed the contract? Offers mean nothing until put in ink. Calzaghe and his team may have offered 3 million then Hopkins people did not like something so they said 6 million. This happens all the time, this is how one camp gets the other to agree to terms and in the end find out how bad the other wants the fight.
A champion who had already broken the record for most title defenses and who was considered by most to be the only champion of his division while the other's just title holders needs not to agree to anything, titles on the line or not.
If Joe Calzaghe wanted to fight Bernard Hopkins so bad he could have found a way to make the middleweight limit and earned one just like everyone else, he didn't so the fight must not have meant that much to him. If Bernard Hopkins felt as though he needed the fight to prove something he would have gained a few pounds met at the catchweight and made the attempt to proved it.
This is not a matter of why one changed his mind or another stating he made an offer that was rejected because of reason XYZ. Each man could have done what it took to make the fight happen. All that tells me is neither wanted the fight that bad. Then or Now. It is like the two toughest kids in school meeting in the park at 3 o'clock to prove the king of the playground then after all the insults neither one throws a punch but talks a good game. The next day both guys have a huge story on why they did not throw the first shot.
From what I have read through all the post here I can say that Bernard Hopkins did not change his so called agreement of 3 million because he was afraid to fight Calzaghe. Calzaghe did not wave a check for 3 million in front of Hopkins with his signature on a contract stating the venue would be in the states. If it was inked both would have signed.
There is my 2 cents stretched out into a nickle :)
Anyway this looks like the place to be for a good debate ;D, I just hope it isn't always so heated :-\
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Wow! I am not sure what I just walked into here but with the risk of being banished before I even get started around here I will say this. We don't know what the actual terms were for the fight. We all know that in boxing everyone tends to exaggerate a bit and will always say what they have to so they look like the good guy who was being screwed.
In 2002 Joe Calzaghe was still looking for respect he had not really yet earned. As much as people hate to admit it he was still in need of proving himself at that point. In 2002 his only wins over some real names were Chris Eubank, Omar Sheika, Mario Veit and Charles Brewer. Eubank was on his way out, Sheika was and no real big accomplishment and Brewer had lost his title years before to Ottke who had not even had 15 fights yet. To make matters worse the WBO title was a joke at the time.
Bernard Hopkins would mess up a lottery win. If he hit for 10 million he would call up and tell them he wanted 25 because thats what the guy won last month. That is not a secret, If I am correct here Hopkins did not get his first million dollar pay day until the middleweight unifaction tourney in 2001 or somewhere near that time. Any man who holds a title above 140 pounds and is champion more then 5 years before making 7 figures in this day and age shows he is not exactly the most easy guy to negotiate with. Bi-polar in the pocket book if you will
One guy claims 3 million another 6 million, but the question really is had anyone signed the contract? Offers mean nothing until put in ink. Calzaghe and his team may have offered 3 million then Hopkins people did not like something so they said 6 million. This happens all the time, this is how one camp gets the other to agree to terms and in the end find out how bad the other wants the fight.
A champion who had already broken the record for most title defenses and who was considered by most to be the only champion of his division while the other's just title holders needs not to agree to anything, titles on the line or not.
If Joe Calzaghe wanted to fight Bernard Hopkins so bad he could have found a way to make the middleweight limit and earned one just like everyone else, he didn't so the fight must not have meant that much to him. If Bernard Hopkins felt as though he needed the fight to prove something he would have gained a few pounds met at the catchweight and made the attempt to proved it.
This is not a matter of why one changed his mind or another stating he made an offer that was rejected because of reason XYZ. Each man could have done what it took to make the fight happen. All that tells me is neither wanted the fight that bad. Then or Now. It is like the two toughest kids in school meeting in the park at 3 o'clock to prove the king of the playground then after all the insults neither one throws a punch but talks a good game. The next day both guys have a huge story on why they did not throw the first shot.
From what I have read through all the post here I can say that Bernard Hopkins did not change his so called agreement of 3 million because he was afraid to fight Calzaghe. Calzaghe did not wave a check for 3 million in front of Hopkins with his signature on a contract stating the venue would be in the states. If it was inked both would have signed.
There is my 2 cents stretched out into a nickle :)
Anyway this looks like the place to be for a good debate ;D, I just hope it isn't always so heated :-\
Thats what you call letting it all hang out for a "New" member.
Welcome aboard and enjoy the Melee and yes it gets very passionate around here.Stumbled upon this thread last night ...very Impressive.I feel like I'm on the floor of the stock exchange though.IMO no fighter is Scared or a coward before a fight, maybe one could over price himself out of Ego or be a ruthless (smart)business man but not a coward. You find that out when they touch gloves.Should Hopkins hang around another year .This is one I want to see.I think they have proved themselves NOW and deserve top dollars.
Re: This was the real deal between Calzaghe and Hopkins in 2002!
Why do you Calzcrappy groupies always use the Hopkins situation to try and back up your boy? When in reality all it does is show your boys true lack of heart. Now I'm going explain this shit to you people one more time.
Hopkins did verbally accept (he hadn't signed a contract, yet) a $3 million offer to fight Calzaghe. But before he could sign a contract, Oscar De La Hoya expressed an interest to fight Hopkins. Hopkins knew (hell, everybody knew) a De La Hoya fight was worse 10 times (if not more) than a Calzaghe fight. Not to mention the fact that his purse would be 3 times what his purse for the Calzaghe fight would be. Since no contracts were signed, Hopkins was within his right to pull out of the Calzaghe fight. Anybody with any brains would of done the same thing. But rather than just dismiss Calzaghe completely, Hopkins actually gave him an option. Double his purse and the fight can go on. 6 million was not a price out number. It was a reasonable amount. Hopkins was the undisputed middleweight champion and at the time was consider the p4p # 1 fighter. Not to mention the fact that Hopkins was the one who was going to Calzaghe's division. Not the other way around. Since Calzaghe had been crying for years that he wanted to fight a big name, this shouldn't of been much of a problem. But it was. Calzaghe (not surprisingly) decline the offer and went back to his usual crying that he can't get a big fight.
The 3 fights Hopkins took before Del La Hoya were necessary for the De La Hoya fight to happen. The Morrade Hakkar fight was a joke. But it was also a WBC mandatory. Hopkins took it to keep from being stripped. Hopkins was still under contract to Don King for one more fight. The William Joppy fight took care of that. He than fought Robert Allen to stay busy/showcase while Oscar fought for the one belt Hopkins didn't own. The WBO. In the end it all lead to Hopkins making the most money he ever made. Which was more than 3 times what his purse for the Calzaghe fight would of been. For anybody to say Hopkins ducked anybody is just stupid. The man is not afraid of anybody. I can't say the same about Calzaghe.
