Re: IT'S OFFICIAL. FLOYD WOULD DESTROY COTTO
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Originally Posted by SeanE
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Originally Posted by TitoFan
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Originally Posted by SeanE
This was a case where I picked against Cotto but I love both fighters. Cotto is going to give Floyd trouble. I've now watched Cotto negate the speed of two very fast fighters with a deceptively accurate and powerful jab, and I'm sure we all remember that when Oscar used his jab, he was effective against Floyd. I don't think age had anything to do with Cotto's victory. It was Cotto's jab. For all taht talk about Cotto's bodywork and left hook, his jab one him the last to fights, and that gives him a chance against Floyd. A pressure fighter with a jab and power is a scary combo. My biggest knock on Cotto has been that I though he was one dimensional, but after seeing him last night, I realize that he has developed into a much more complete fighter.
Floyd will might win, but he will never beat him up. Tony Margarito has a better chance to KO Cotto, cuz of the power and uppercuts.
I'm gonna give you a CC, because you're one of the few around here that I've heard say: "I was picking so-and-so to win, 'cause I thought the other guy was one-dimensional and didn't have the tools. But I realize I was mistaken." Owning up to misconceptions is the mark of a truly knowledgeable boxing fan.
CC back. I can tell the difference between a fighter getting old before my eyes and a old fighter who still has great skills getting beat by a young lion that 1. I underestimated or 2. Had finally developed and put it all together. You gotta use your eyes. I don't know if what happened last night was 1 or 2. It was probably some of both. I think we all agree that Floyd today is a more refined figher than the Floyd who nearly lost to Castillo. This was a much different Cotto than the fighter who was pushed by Torres.
In baseball, a sport where physical skill and mental maturity are closely tied together for success, statistical analysis shows age 26-27 is very often the age where hitters finally put the physical tools together with the mental aspects and reach their full potential. Maybe that transfers to boxing a little. In both sports, you can have the greatest set of raw tools, but if you don't refine your skills and control your emotions, you will never be truely great. That requires a certain maturity. I got a glimpse of that from Cotto against Judah, but it wrote off some if it because of Zab's mental flaws.
After seeing what happened last night, even if Cotto WAS one-dimensional at one time, he ain't anymore, and even Shane said himself last night...the kid can box a little.
I'll give you a CC to. I underestimated Cotto and saw him shine last night. He made Shane play his game and did it smartly, and boxed better than I believed he could. No easy thing taking a legend like Shane out of his game, and using such a fundamental thing like a jab to perfection. Shane's neck and back probably hurts worse than his face after the jabs jolted him all night. It was a close fight, but I predicted it would be over by 8 in favor of Shane. But what a dummy ::** Gamo told me ;D Oh well, you pick em and if it doesn't turn out too bad. Live and learn. It'll be toough to pick against Cotto again after he showed what a complete fighter he is, though he is open up the middle alot.
Re: IT'S OFFICIAL. FLOYD WOULD DESTROY COTTO
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Originally Posted by skyler
There is officially no way on God's green earth Miguel Cotto stands a snowballs chance in hell against Mayweather.
So your basing a Cotto vs. SSM fight on how the outcome for Cotto vs. PBF would be.... ::** Yeah! OK....
Right on buddy, you have at it and go ahead and think that way.
In that case after the Zab Judah fight I should have made a thread like this one but saying:
"It's official Cotto would destroy PBF" :beat: Please if we're going by that logic then Cotto wins hands down. Cottos been able to stop and destroy opponents that PBF's either gone the distance with and or tooken longer to stop. But OK, if you say so..... :)
Re: IT'S OFFICIAL. FLOYD WOULD DESTROY COTTO
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Originally Posted by ds91
floyd hasn't destroyed anyone in a while. he would most likely beat cotto but using the word destroyed is just stupid. if mayweather was to face cotto ( he probably won't) it would be his toughest test. and tye thing is i actually like mayweather but its fans like you that make me want to see him lose.
Very true...I think Gatti was his last absolute dominate performance...And that was a 140lb war torn Gatti..( not that Floyd wouldn't have beaten him at any time in his career but you guys get the point).....I think Floyds last destruction of a prime fighter was Corrales......
The part I love most is the "It's Official"....Like some contract was signed that was legal binding
Re: IT'S OFFICIAL. FLOYD WOULD DESTROY COTTO
I dont think Cotto is fast, I think Cotto is mastering the art of timing, he is one who hits on the move both ways; (bodily) which transfers into harder hits backed up by his grounded style of defenceive first boxing ;
That will make difficulies for any style of fighter including the also fast and combo rich Floyd who will pay for it comming in eventually.Question is how will he react to getting met with head on power for once.
MAybe Floyd picks him apart if he is light fast on his legs that night and in top mental condition, maybe, but no way destroys Cotto.
Cotto has the weight transferance to destroy him though if he gets caught being frivolus.
Re: IT'S OFFICIAL. FLOYD WOULD DESTROY COTTO
....I think Floyd's defense would get a true test vs Cotto because Miguel doesn't care where he lands the punch just so long as it lands hard somewhere on the other guy.
Cotto KO'd Branco with a shot to the shoulder....I just think Floyd is too cute and he doesn't totally get missed by punches, he is more like James Toney with his defense, he slides the punches off of him....if he messes up he's going to get rocked.
Call me crazy but Cotto reminds me a lot of Julio Cesar Chavez
Re: IT'S OFFICIAL. FLOYD WOULD DESTROY COTTO
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Originally Posted by Andre
I dont think Cotto is fast, I think Cotto is mastering the art of timing, he is one who hits on the move both ways; (bodily) which transfers into harder hits backed up by his grounded style of defenceive first boxing ;
That will make difficulies for any style of fighter including the also fast and combo rich Floyd who will pay for it comming in eventually.Question is how will he react to getting met with head on power for once.
MAybe Floyd picks him apart if he is light fast on his legs that night and in top mental condition, maybe, but no way destroys Cotto.
Cotto has the weight transferance to destroy him though if he gets caught being frivolus.
Why the fuck have you got that insane sad click amount?
Re: IT'S OFFICIAL. FLOYD WOULD DESTROY COTTO
I truly think paul williams will all these guys. Is it just me or is that the reason no one talks about him.
Re: IT'S OFFICIAL. FLOYD WOULD DESTROY COTTO
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Originally Posted by uwey
I truly think paul williams will all these guys. Is it just me or is that the reason no one talks about him.
We talk about him and he's going to give people fits with that freaky frame of his. I'd love to see how Cotto goes about fighting PW. If he gets Cintron out of the way then he'll be right in the mix. Would love to see Margarito get a rematch with him.
Re: IT'S OFFICIAL. FLOYD WOULD DESTROY COTTO
Paul Williams is a great fighter but remember The Elite's want to fight eachother $$$$$$$$$$$$$(PBF,COtto, Hatton, MOsley)
PW is yet to be called an ELITE but maybe very soon let's wait untill the outcome vs Cintron
Re: IT'S OFFICIAL. FLOYD WOULD DESTROY COTTO
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Originally Posted by Andre
I dont think Cotto is fast, I think Cotto is mastering the art of timing, he is one who hits on the move both ways; (bodily) which transfers into harder hits backed up by his grounded style of defenceive first boxing ;
That will make difficulies for any style of fighter including the also fast and combo rich Floyd who will pay for it comming in eventually.Question is how will he react to getting met with head on power for once.
MAybe Floyd picks him apart if he is light fast on his legs that night and in top mental condition, maybe, but no way destroys Cotto.
Cotto has the weight transferance to destroy him though if he gets caught being frivolus.
:sadclick: Very good post...I almost totally agree...everything but the last line.
Floyd will beat Cotto...but not destroy him.
Re: IT'S OFFICIAL. FLOYD WOULD DESTROY COTTO
hehehe. am a believer of Cotto's power and skill. I predicted a win by Cotto over Shane and I was not wrong. I was correct with my prediction about Pavlik winning over Taylor. I was also correct with my prediction that Calzaghe will win over Kessler. This time, I am predicting a very close fight between Cotto and Floyd..... and my bet will be on Cotto.
Re: IT'S OFFICIAL. FLOYD WOULD DESTROY COTTO
The fact is that Cotto is tailor made for Floyd to look spectacular against. When Shane was on his toes and snapping off more than one shot at a time, he exposed Cotto's slow leg movement. Cotto can punch quickly, but he is much too slow of foot to keep up with the fastest fighter in the sport in Mayweather. Floyd would move, land the same right hands Shane landed,and avoid all of those jabs and straights Cotto was able to land. Believe it or not, I believe Mosley is the only fighter out there at welterweight that could challenge Floyd, as he is strong enough to hurt him yet fast enough to somewhat keep up. I'm not saying shane would win,but stylistically it would be intriguing. Mayweather and Oscar De La Hoya woulf destroy Cotto due to his style and the ease with which he is hit by straight rights and left hooks. Though I dislike floyd's style of fighting, as I enjoy a fighter who can box yet CHOOSES to mix it up at times, I have to admit that he is the most talented fighter of this generation and it would take an inspired performancefrom any fighter to defeat him, and i think cotto is not going to be the one to do it.
Re: IT'S OFFICIAL. FLOYD WOULD DESTROY COTTO
It's the hooks and digging to the body that will get to Floyd (if Miguel has a chance of winning).
Floyd hasn't been hit like Cotto is going to hit him. PBF's defense is set for guys who swing only at the head and body....Miguel will swing and just hit whatever is infront of them, elbows, shoulders, hips, it doesn't matter where Miguel lands he'll do damage.
Floyd is fast and will counter very well but Cotto will be the most dangerous fighter Mayweather has ever stepped in the ring with
Re: IT'S OFFICIAL. FLOYD WOULD DESTROY COTTO
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Originally Posted by brucelee
hehehe. am a believer of Cotto's power and skill. I predicted a win by Cotto over Shane and I was not wrong. I was correct with my prediction about Pavlik winning over Taylor. I was also correct with my prediction that Calzaghe will win over Kessler. This time, I am predicting a very close fight between Cotto and Floyd..... and my bet will be on Cotto.
I was right on all of those but the Shane Cotto pick...but I won't be wrong on Floyd vs Cotto.
Floyd by UD.
Watch & see. ;) ;D
Re: IT'S OFFICIAL. FLOYD WOULD DESTROY COTTO
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Originally Posted by Lyle
It's the hooks and digging to the body that will get to Floyd (if Miguel has a chance of winning).
Floyd hasn't been hit like Cotto is going to hit him. PBF's defense is set for guys who swing only at the head and body....Miguel will swing and just hit whatever is infront of them, elbows, shoulders, hips, it doesn't matter where Miguel lands he'll do damage.
Floyd is fast and will counter very well but Cotto will be the most dangerous fighter Mayweather has ever stepped in the ring with
Agreed Lyle...& well stated.
