Re: RICKY HATTON - FANTASY MATCHUPS
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Originally Posted by ono
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Originally Posted by DIOS DOMINICANO
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Originally Posted by ono
The time zone is renderred meaningless when it doesn't favour either fighter. that was the 1st time hatton had fought at 4am aswell.
The tune ups weren't to get used to the time zone....they were to establish himself in America.
HERE IS A QUOTE FROM THE HATTON CAMP:
From Seconds Out.
But Hatton believes his son needs the experience of fighting abroad before he takes on the super-talented three-division champion Mayweather.
He said: "Richard needs the experience of training aboard for a fight for the very first time, getting used to that, he needs to have the experience of doing everything the American television and media will expect him to do,
getting used to the different time zones, fighting in front of an American crowd - all that.
"And I don't want him to have to deal with all that for the very first time and fight someone like Mayweather as well. Richard isn't a big head, he's got no ego on him, and he will tell you himself that Mayweather is the biggest danger out there for him. That's why he wants to fight Mayweather most of all now he's already beaten Kostya Tszyu, who was the No.1 before Ricky beat him. So, when Richard does fight Mayweather I want Richard comfortable with where he's training and everything else that goes with having a big fight in America."
yeh well done pal but you've still entirely missed the point again...
Hatton would need to adjust to the time zone if he was fighting an American based fighter in the US.....oooo like Collazo.
Kostya Tszyu was fighting a UK fighter at 4am UK time.
Please explain to me how this pits Hatton at an advantage?
Maybe i am missing something?
I'm with Ono, it's the humidity aswell I remmeber Hatton saying, but that is as bad "The time was a factor for Hatton" as I heard somebody after the Hatton-Castillo fight saying "Catillo never got up from that bodyshot beacuse he never got paid"
Whoever said that can you let me know because I will CC you for it, it really is that bad of a statement!!
BTW Oscar was a part time fighter when he fought Mayweather and was 2-3 but REALLY 1-4.
Re: RICKY HATTON - FANTASY MATCHUPS
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Originally Posted by ono
Maybe i am missing something?
Clearly.
Re: RICKY HATTON - FANTASY MATCHUPS
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Originally Posted by Mr140
Good point ono some people discredit Hatton beating a old Tszyu but then they never bring up how old Oscar was when he was beat by a sd by PBF.
Oscar was past his prime when Floyd fought him. No Doubt.
But, on balance, Oscar was younger, bigger, healthier, and just BETTER than Kostya Tszyu.
Kostya Tszyu was a very good fighter, but can you ever envision Cool Vince Phillips giving Oscar a brutal beatdown? The same Vince Phillips that Ike Quartey blew out in a couple of rounds?
I go back to 1997/98 and say if Oscar had not won the Whitaker and Quartey fights which were both debatable then which direction would his career have taken? I have no doubt that DLH ducked Tszyu in 96/97 and was lucky to get those decisions. So Tszyu lost to Phillips, his performances from 1998 to 2002 were awesome and a rematch with Phillips should have happened but for the fact that it would have lasted about 2 rounds.
Re: RICKY HATTON - FANTASY MATCHUPS
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Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
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Originally Posted by DIOS DOMINICANO
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Good point ono some people discredit Hatton beating a old Tszyu but then they never bring up how old Oscar was when he was beat by a sd by PBF.
Oscar was past his prime when Floyd fought him. No Doubt.
But, on balance, Oscar was younger, bigger, healthier, and just BETTER than Kostya Tszyu.
Kostya Tszyu was a very good fighter, but can you ever envision Cool Vince Phillips giving Oscar a brutal beatdown? The same Vince Phillips that Ike Quartey blew out in a couple of rounds?
I go back to 1997/98 and say if Oscar had not won the Whitaker and Quartey fights which were both debatable then which direction would his career have taken?
I have no doubt that DLH ducked Tszyu in 96/97 and was lucky to get those decisions. So Tszyu lost to Phillips, his performances from 1998 to 2002 were awesome and a rematch with Phillips should have happened but for the fact that it would have lasted about 2 rounds.
That's just a foolish statement. De La Hoya-Tszyu was being set up. But those plans were canceled when Phillips knocked out Tszyu. So for anybody to say De La Hoya ducked Tszyu is just plain dumb. It's not De La Hoya fault that Tszyu got stopped. Tszyu has only has himself to blame for the De La Hoya fight not happening. Well he can blame Phillips too I guess.
Re: RICKY HATTON - FANTASY MATCHUPS
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Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
I go back to 1997/98 and say if Oscar had not won the Whitaker and Quartey fights which were both debatable then which direction would his career have taken? I have no doubt that DLH ducked Tszyu in 96/97 and was lucky to get those decisions. So Tszyu lost to Phillips, his performances from 1998 to 2002 were awesome and a rematch with Phillips should have happened but for the fact that it would have lasted about 2 rounds.
No.
The Tszyu-Phillips rematch did not happen because Tszyu did not want it. Zoo ran from that rematch for YEARS. Vince was BEGGING for the rematch to validate the first victory.
Kostya wanted none of it.
Re: RICKY HATTON - FANTASY MATCHUPS
I'm not buying it chaps, DLH fights Whitaker at 147llb one month before Tszyu fights Phillips so how was a future fight with DLH in the works? I'm saying DLH ducked Tszyu before his fight with Whitaker. As for Phillips and a rematch, perhaps he should not have got Ko'd by Millett in 1999 and a rematch may have been made, instead Tszyu fought Miguel Angel Gonzalez a much better opponent than Phillips.
It's all irrelevant now anyway,Tszyu lost to Phillips and that's accepted, he still went onto beat some good fighters and unify the division, Phillips became the journeyman he was destined to be.
Re: RICKY HATTON - FANTASY MATCHUPS
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Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
I'm not buying it chaps, DLH fights Whitaker at 147llb one month before Tszyu fights Phillips so how was a future fight with DLH in the works? I'm saying DLH ducked Tszyu before his fight with Whitaker. As for Phillips and a rematch, perhaps he should not have got Ko'd by Millett in 1999 and a rematch may have been made, instead Tszyu fought Miguel Angel Gonzalez a much better opponent than Phillips.
It's all irrelevant now anyway,Tszyu lost to Phillips and that's accepted, he still went onto beat some good fighters and unify the division, Phillips became the journeyman he was destined to be.
Third man,
Yes or No: Should a fighter try to avenge a loss, if possible?
If you got KO'd by a guy who you feel you are better than, should you try to avenge that loss? Is that an honorable thing in the sport of boxing?
I mean, it wasn't like Tszyu didn't rematch Phillips because Phillips was a journeyman. Tszyu fought Ben Tackie and Jesse James Leija. So that "journeyman" excuse doesn't quite hold water. I'm sorry.
Re: RICKY HATTON - FANTASY MATCHUPS
1, Pernell Whitaker UD12
2,Roberto Duran late stoppage
3,Aaron Pryor late stoppage
4,Kostya Tyszu mid to late rounds stoppage this aint the 35 year old Hatton beat
5,Shane Mosely UD 12
6,Julio Cesar Chavez UD12
7,Oscar De La Hoya KO 5
These are my winners ;)
Re: RICKY HATTON - FANTASY MATCHUPS
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Originally Posted by DIOS DOMINICANO
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Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
I'm not buying it chaps, DLH fights Whitaker at 147llb one month before Tszyu fights Phillips so how was a future fight with DLH in the works? I'm saying DLH ducked Tszyu before his fight with Whitaker. As for Phillips and a rematch, perhaps he should not have got Ko'd by Millett in 1999 and a rematch may have been made, instead Tszyu fought Miguel Angel Gonzalez a much better opponent than Phillips.
It's all irrelevant now anyway,Tszyu lost to Phillips and that's accepted, he still went onto beat some good fighters and unify the division, Phillips became the journeyman he was destined to be.
Third man,
Yes or No: Should a fighter try to avenge a loss, if possible?
If you got KO'd by a guy who you feel you are better than, should you try to avenge that loss? Is that an honorable thing in the sport of boxing?
I mean, it wasn't like Tszyu didn't rematch Phillips
because Phillips was a journeyman. Tszyu fought Ben Tackie and Jesse James Leija. So that "journeyman" excuse doesn't quite hold water. I'm sorry.
I agree with you that a fighter should avenge a loss, i think Phillips losing early in 1999 put a stop to it happening, I have seen Tszyu say this and the Gonzalez match up was presented to him for August of that year. If Phillips had of beaten Millett then a rematch would have certainly occurred and IMO wouldn't have lasted two or three rounds at that time. The only reason Tszyu took fights against Tackie and Leija was he was forced to by governing bodies who as you know will strip you of your title if you don't defend against who they say. This is a pitfall of being a unified title holder, Tszyu always wanted Mayweather and couldn't get him because PBF was HBO and Tszyu was with Showtime.
I would have loved to have seen Tszyu fight Phillips again but circumstances prevented it.
After 1999 Tszyu was offerred Chavez, Mitchell and then Judah...title unified, no time for the Cool one to get another go.
