Re: Bernard Hopkins offers Calzaghe $8 million!!
It's the same bullshit posturing...
This fight won't happen!
Re: Bernard Hopkins offers Calzaghe $8 million!!
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
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Originally Posted by eagle
So u deny being biased to Calzaghe at all when u write a story about him? Anytime any criticism is aimed towards Joe on this Forum justified or not u jump straight on the person who wrote it saying its all lies or just plain wrong. In fact i have read dozens of your posts over the last few years and cannot remember once when u have said anything negative of Joe. Yet u have criticised his opponents or possible opponents on numerous occasions. Anytime a fight cannot be made it is not Joe's fault.
Warren is notorious for putting all the blame on the opposition side when a deal cant be made between his fighter and another, yet history suggests he is the one that is tricky to deal with because his high profile fighters always tend to have trouble making the big fights.
He has been Joes manager for over 10 years and yet he has got him 2 high profile fights in this time tho Joe has been champion. Hatton only got one high profile fight while with Joe. Enzo Mac is struggling for fights.... Need i say more?
An interview with Joe or Frank cannot be taken as fact at anytime.
Equally, I don't think I can remember one of your posts when anything positive was said of Calzaghe at all, and anytime someone tries to say something positive about him, or support what he's actually saying you/Daxx/VD and the anti Calzaghe brigade jump on them and start spouting on whoever is supporting him.
And as someone else mentioned, the vast majority of my SC's come from Joe Calzaghe's threads because I support him as a fighter. As for high profile fights...and this is always unjustified in my view....the SMW's have been quiet in Calzaghe's era, but he's beaten anyone of quality in the division.
Did you know that Ann Wolfe held the title in 4 different weight classes at the same time,and somehow found a way not to allways fight in her native Texas?
Re: Bernard Hopkins offers Calzaghe $8 million!!
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
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Originally Posted by eagle
So u deny being biased to Calzaghe at all when u write a story about him? Anytime any criticism is aimed towards Joe on this Forum justified or not u jump straight on the person who wrote it saying its all lies or just plain wrong. In fact i have read dozens of your posts over the last few years and cannot remember once when u have said anything negative of Joe. Yet u have criticised his opponents or possible opponents on numerous occasions. Anytime a fight cannot be made it is not Joe's fault.
Warren is notorious for putting all the blame on the opposition side when a deal cant be made between his fighter and another, yet history suggests he is the one that is tricky to deal with because his high profile fighters always tend to have trouble making the big fights.
He has been Joes manager for over 10 years and yet he has got him 2 high profile fights in this time tho Joe has been champion. Hatton only got one high profile fight while with Joe. Enzo Mac is struggling for fights.... Need i say more?
An interview with Joe or Frank cannot be taken as fact at anytime.
Equally, I don't think I can remember one of your posts when anything positive was said of Calzaghe at all, and anytime someone tries to say something positive about him, or support what he's actually saying you/Daxx/VD and the anti Calzaghe brigade jump on them and start spouting on whoever is supporting him.
And as someone else mentioned, the vast majority of my SC's come from Joe Calzaghe's threads because I support him as a fighter. As for high profile fights...and this is always unjustified in my view....the SMW's have been quiet in Calzaghe's era, but he's beaten anyone of quality in the division.
Always negative towards Joe? I have many times said he has the best record of any SMW in history. Joe is a great fighter. I have no doubts of Joe's ability in the ring, i have doubts about him and especially his managers ability to make the big fights....... And i have big doubts about Frank Warrens honesty.
Find me one post i have written recently that shows i dont think Joe is a great fighter?
Re: Bernard Hopkins offers Calzaghe $8 million!!
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by eagle
Dammit. Got my usual criticise Calzaghe SC's....... How Dare I???
You surprise? At least 300 of my sc's are from Calzaghe's groupies.
I stood up for a fighter whose boxed every major name available,and went from 35 SCs to 41 very quickly
I hear ya brother
Tough being a Calzaghe fan.. init like?
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by eagle
Dammit. Got my usual criticise Calzaghe SC's....... How Dare I???
You surprise? At least 300 of my sc's are from Calzaghe's groupies.
I stood up for a fighter whose boxed every major name available,and went from 35 SCs to 41 very quickly
I hear ya brother
Tough being a Calzaghe fan.. init like?
Are u sure Trainer Monkey is talking about Calzaghe? I have a feeling he may be talking about Hopkins. He is a big Nard fan..... If your around TM can u clear this up fpr me.
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Originally Posted by eagle
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by eagle
Dammit. Got my usual criticise Calzaghe SC's....... How Dare I???
You surprise? At least 300 of my sc's are from Calzaghe's groupies.
I stood up for a fighter whose boxed every major name available,and went from 35 SCs to 41 very quickly
I hear ya brother
Tough being a Calzaghe fan.. init like?
Are u sure Trainer Monkey is talking about Calzaghe? I have a feeling he may be talking about Hopkins. He is a big Nard fan..... If your around TM can u clear this up fpr me.
Yeah I'm sure man.
The monkey loves Calzaghe.
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by eagle
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by eagle
Dammit. Got my usual criticise Calzaghe SC's....... How Dare I???
You surprise? At least 300 of my sc's are from Calzaghe's groupies.
I stood up for a fighter whose boxed every major name available,and went from 35 SCs to 41 very quickly
I hear ya brother
Tough being a Calzaghe fan.. init like?
Are u sure Trainer Monkey is talking about Calzaghe? I have a feeling he may be talking about Hopkins. He is a big Nard fan..... If your around TM can u clear this up fpr me.
Yeah I'm sure man.
The monkey loves Calzaghe.
No worries.
Re: Bernard Hopkins offers Calzaghe $8 million!!
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Originally Posted by eagle
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by eagle
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by eagle
Dammit. Got my usual criticise Calzaghe SC's....... How Dare I???
You surprise? At least 300 of my sc's are from Calzaghe's groupies.
I stood up for a fighter whose boxed every major name available,and went from 35 SCs to 41 very quickly
I hear ya brother
Tough being a Calzaghe fan.. init like?
Are u sure Trainer Monkey is talking about Calzaghe? I have a feeling he may be talking about Hopkins. He is a big Nard fan..... If your around TM can u clear this up fpr me.
Yeah I'm sure man.
The monkey loves Calzaghe.
No worries.
fair do's.
Re: Bernard Hopkins offers Calzaghe $8 million!!
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
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Originally Posted by eagle
So u deny being biased to Calzaghe at all when u write a story about him? Anytime any criticism is aimed towards Joe on this Forum justified or not u jump straight on the person who wrote it saying its all lies or just plain wrong. In fact i have read dozens of your posts over the last few years and cannot remember once when u have said anything negative of Joe. Yet u have criticised his opponents or possible opponents on numerous occasions. Anytime a fight cannot be made it is not Joe's fault.
Warren is notorious for putting all the blame on the opposition side when a deal cant be made between his fighter and another, yet history suggests he is the one that is tricky to deal with because his high profile fighters always tend to have trouble making the big fights.
He has been Joes manager for over 10 years and yet he has got him 2 high profile fights in this time tho Joe has been champion. Hatton only got one high profile fight while with Joe. Enzo Mac is struggling for fights.... Need i say more?
An interview with Joe or Frank cannot be taken as fact at anytime.
Equally, I don't think I can remember one of your posts when anything positive was said of Calzaghe at all, and anytime someone tries to say something positive about him, or support what he's actually saying you/Daxx/VD and the anti Calzaghe brigade jump on them and start spouting on whoever is supporting him.
And as someone else mentioned, the vast majority of my SC's come from Joe Calzaghe's threads because I support him as a fighter. As for high profile fights...and this is always unjustified in my view....the SMW's have been quiet in Calzaghe's era, but he's beaten anyone of quality in the division.
Did you know that Ann Wolfe held the title in 4 different weight classes at the same time,and somehow found a way not to allways fight in her native Texas?
Dude....Texas is just one big desert plain with occasional outcroppings of rock, two or three big cities and population clusters and halfwit presidents. That's the regional equivalent of Swansea/Neath/Port Talbot/Bridgend in fight terms. The USA is just a whole load more spaced out then Britain with larger gaps between population clusters. The equivalent of Wolfe going to Louisiana is Calzaghe going to fight in Cardiff. But then again, I'm sure going to other fighters' home town, but still in Britain, don't count as being the away fighter.
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Originally Posted by eagle
Always negative towards Joe? I have many times said he has the best record of any SMW in history. Joe is a great fighter. I have no doubts of Joe's ability in the ring, i have doubts about him and especially his managers ability to make the big fights....... And i have big doubts about Frank Warrens honesty.
Find me one post i have written recently that shows i dont think Joe is a great fighter?
Always negative towards Team Calzaghe and the promotional side of it is what I meant, which I'm sure you know. Warren is a tough negotiator, and causes issues, but it seems that whatever Calzaghe says about offers, deals etc, it's always Team Calzaghe that are the cynical liars, and those wholesome Americans are just naive honest young dudes trying to make a living in such a hard game.
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
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Originally Posted by eagle
So u deny being biased to Calzaghe at all when u write a story about him? Anytime any criticism is aimed towards Joe on this Forum justified or not u jump straight on the person who wrote it saying its all lies or just plain wrong. In fact i have read dozens of your posts over the last few years and cannot remember once when u have said anything negative of Joe. Yet u have criticised his opponents or possible opponents on numerous occasions. Anytime a fight cannot be made it is not Joe's fault.
Warren is notorious for putting all the blame on the opposition side when a deal cant be made between his fighter and another, yet history suggests he is the one that is tricky to deal with because his high profile fighters always tend to have trouble making the big fights.
He has been Joes manager for over 10 years and yet he has got him 2 high profile fights in this time tho Joe has been champion. Hatton only got one high profile fight while with Joe. Enzo Mac is struggling for fights.... Need i say more?
An interview with Joe or Frank cannot be taken as fact at anytime.
Equally, I don't think I can remember one of your posts when anything positive was said of Calzaghe at all, and anytime someone tries to say something positive about him, or support what he's actually saying you/Daxx/VD and the anti Calzaghe brigade jump on them and start spouting on whoever is supporting him.
And as someone else mentioned, the vast majority of my SC's come from Joe Calzaghe's threads because I support him as a fighter. As for high profile fights...and this is always unjustified in my view....the SMW's have been quiet in Calzaghe's era, but he's beaten anyone of quality in the division.
Did you know that Ann Wolfe held the title in 4 different weight classes at the same time,and somehow found a way not to allways fight in her native Texas?
Dude....Texas is just one big desert plain with occasional outcroppings of rock, two or three big cities and population clusters and halfwit presidents. That's the regional equivalent of Swansea/Neath/Port Talbot/Bridgend in fight terms. The USA is just a whole load more spaced out then Britain with larger gaps between population clusters. The equivalent of Wolfe going to Louisiana is Calzaghe going to fight in Cardiff. But then again, I'm sure going to other fighters' home town, but still in Britain, don't count as being the away fighter.
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Originally Posted by eagle
Always negative towards Joe? I have many times said he has the best record of any SMW in history. Joe is a great fighter. I have no doubts of Joe's ability in the ring, i have doubts about him and especially his managers ability to make the big fights....... And i have big doubts about Frank Warrens honesty.
Find me one post i have written recently that shows i dont think Joe is a great fighter?
Always negative towards Team Calzaghe and the promotional side of it is what I meant, which I'm sure you know. Warren is a tough negotiator, and causes issues, but it seems that whatever Calzaghe says about offers, deals etc, it's always Team Calzaghe that are the cynical liars, and those wholesome Americans are just naive honest young dudes trying to make a living in such a hard game.
Even u cannot deny that fights like The Manfrodo Calzaghe bout should not have been made, that was Joe's team grabbing money. You would have been all over Hopkins like a cheap suit if he'd fought someone like Manfrodo saying he was weak and scared, yet when Joe does it its ok. If the US fighters dont come to Britain they are scared, yet if Joe dont wanna go to the US thats ok cos Joe can do what he wants, and shouldnt have to.....
Your always negative towards the Americans so whats the diff? Is it not strange to u that Joe has been unable to make a fight against any of the big name US fighters in the last 10 years yet they have all managed to have made fights with other big names.
Oh i forgot, they are all scared of Joe..... Whatever.
Re: Bernard Hopkins offers Calzaghe $8 million!!
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Originally Posted by eagle
Even u cannot deny that fights like The Manfrodo Calzaghe bout should not have been made, that was Joe's team grabbing money. You would have been all over Hopkins like a cheap suit if he'd fought someone like Manfrodo saying he was weak and scared, yet when Joe does it its ok. If the US fighters dont come to Britain they are scared, yet if Joe dont wanna go to the US thats ok cos Joe can do what he wants, and shouldnt have to.....
Your always negative towards the Americans so whats the diff? Is it not strange to u that Joe has been unable to make a fight against any of the big name US fighters in the last 10 years yet they have all managed to have made fights with other big names.
Oh i forgot, they are all scared of Joe..... Whatever.
Now who's misquoting who. I don't hate on Americans, and if you say that your taking one post out of a mass of posts. Manfredo v Calzaghe was a fight made purely to satisfy TV bosses in the states. Manfredo took the fall cause he was fairly high profile in the states but wouldn't trouble Calzaghe. He was just an in to that market. And can you say that American fighters don't take easy fights for the cash. This isn't a nationality thing, it's just Calzaghe gets a whole bundle more stick for it than anyone else on this forum.
I haven't called any US fighters scared for not fighting over here and you know that.
Joe hasn't fought in the US yet cause their promoters can't make the same kind of cash with a US show that 60,000 people in the stadium makes. TV rights are the same....so where's the most money coming from?
There have only been three big fights out there to be made with Americans during Joe's career. Hopkins, RJJ and Lacy. Lacy showed the balls and took the big paycheque to come over here. If American promoters can offer the big paycheque, Joe'll be on it like white on rice, they don't make the offers, he don't fight.
The attitude that galls me is this whole thing of Joe not making the big fights....but big fights sail by unfought around the world every year...and no other fighter gets this much stick about it.
Re: Bernard Hopkins offers Calzaghe $8 million!!
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
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Originally Posted by eagle
Even u cannot deny that fights like The Manfrodo Calzaghe bout should not have been made, that was Joe's team grabbing money. You would have been all over Hopkins like a cheap suit if he'd fought someone like Manfrodo saying he was weak and scared, yet when Joe does it its ok. If the US fighters dont come to Britain they are scared, yet if Joe dont wanna go to the US thats ok cos Joe can do what he wants, and shouldnt have to.....
Your always negative towards the Americans so whats the diff? Is it not strange to u that Joe has been unable to make a fight against any of the big name US fighters in the last 10 years yet they have all managed to have made fights with other big names.
Oh i forgot, they are all scared of Joe..... Whatever.
Now who's misquoting who. I don't hate on Americans, and if you say that your taking one post out of a mass of posts. Manfredo v Calzaghe was a fight made purely to satisfy TV bosses in the states. Manfredo took the fall cause he was fairly high profile in the states but wouldn't trouble Calzaghe. He was just an in to that market. And can you say that American fighters don't take easy fights for the cash. This isn't a nationality thing, it's just Calzaghe gets a whole bundle more stick for it than anyone else on this forum.
I haven't called any US fighters scared for not fighting over here and you know that.
Joe hasn't fought in the US yet cause their promoters can't make the same kind of cash with a US show that 60,000 people in the stadium makes. TV rights are the same....so where's the most money coming from?
There have only been three big fights out there to be made with Americans during Joe's career. Hopkins, RJJ and Lacy. Lacy showed the balls and took the big paycheque to come over here. If American promoters can offer the big paycheque, Joe'll be on it like white on rice, they don't make the offers, he don't fight.
The attitude that galls me is this whole thing of Joe not making the big fights....but big fights sail by unfought around the world every year...and no other fighter gets this much stick about it.
I am American and I have to agree with SuperHeavey. This is a business after all... If I were Joe I wouldn't give 2 shits about heading to the US. The money is in the UK where he is high profile.
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Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
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Originally Posted by eagle
Even u cannot deny that fights like The Manfrodo Calzaghe bout should not have been made, that was Joe's team grabbing money. You would have been all over Hopkins like a cheap suit if he'd fought someone like Manfrodo saying he was weak and scared, yet when Joe does it its ok. If the US fighters dont come to Britain they are scared, yet if Joe dont wanna go to the US thats ok cos Joe can do what he wants, and shouldnt have to.....
Your always negative towards the Americans so whats the diff? Is it not strange to u that Joe has been unable to make a fight against any of the big name US fighters in the last 10 years yet they have all managed to have made fights with other big names.
Oh i forgot, they are all scared of Joe..... Whatever.
Now who's misquoting who. I don't hate on Americans, and if you say that your taking one post out of a mass of posts. Manfredo v Calzaghe was a fight made purely to satisfy TV bosses in the states. Manfredo took the fall cause he was fairly high profile in the states but wouldn't trouble Calzaghe. He was just an in to that market. And can you say that American fighters don't take easy fights for the cash. This isn't a nationality thing, it's just Calzaghe gets a whole bundle more stick for it than anyone else on this forum.
I haven't called any US fighters scared for not fighting over here and you know that.
Joe hasn't fought in the US yet cause their promoters can't make the same kind of cash with a US show that 60,000 people in the stadium makes. TV rights are the same....so where's the most money coming from?
There have only been three big fights out there to be made with Americans during Joe's career. Hopkins, RJJ and Lacy. Lacy showed the balls and took the big paycheque to come over here. If American promoters can offer the big paycheque, Joe'll be on it like white on rice, they don't make the offers, he don't fight.
The attitude that galls me is this whole thing of Joe not making the big fights....but big fights sail by unfought around the world every year...and no other fighter gets this much stick about it.
I am American and I have to agree with SuperHeavey. This is a business after all... If I were Joe I wouldn't give 2 shits about heading to the US. The money is in the UK where he is high profile.
And thats exactly what is wrong with boxing and fighters like Joe. Money is more important than legacy. As if Joe needs the money. He has enough to support himself and 50 other families. Fine Joe dont go to the US, but then dont complain twenty years down the track when ppl are criticising you for not fighting the best. Cant have it both ways.
Dont give me shit about Joe copping more criticism than most, this whole topic has Hopkins being knocked a tonne more than Joe. Here he is 44 years old, maybe the best legacy in boxing yet he is being called scared. Joes fans are just as quick if not quicker to jump on his opponents than Joe's detractors jump on him. U cannot deny that.
Re: Bernard Hopkins offers Calzaghe $8 million!!
And surprise sorprise, more SC's. Weak as water really, if anyone is gonna give em they can atleast say why.
Re: Bernard Hopkins offers Calzaghe $8 million!!
Who is hopkins to try to call shots? If anything it should be Joe because he's undefeated, cleaned out his division against guys that are actually in his weight class and he's a better fighter who is not boring.
Did I mention he's coming off a massive victory?!
Hopkins the legend? Gimme a break. He made his career on wins over guys that began their careers way below his weight and lost to the 2 good mw's he fought.
Hopkins is delirious!
Joe should be #1 p4p. That guy can fight!!!
