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of fighting all his professional fights in Great Britain? Why can't he come over to the USA to fight Hopkins? Isn't Hopkins the more accomplished of the two?
hopkins is overated. Ive said this before for 10 years he fought welterweights and second rate middleweights and lost to taylor, who is useless.
SC also if Joe Calzaghe gets credit for ruling his division Hopkins deserves the same recongnition.
Hopkins only ruled cos the likes of Toney, Jones and Mccallum werent there. he lost to Jones and the other two would have beaten him. even nunn would beat him. CALZAGHE has beaten everyone hes faced he's never lost a pro bout. and to be honest There is no boxer from middleweight to light heavyweight who can beat him. he would destroy hopkins. The fight is a mismatch.
You could argue that Calzaghe only ruled because Jones, Toney and Mccallum wrent there..... If Jones had fought Joe when Joe first got his belt it would have been all over for Joe there and then.
You can say that again ;)
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of fighting all his professional fights in Great Britain? Why can't he come over to the USA to fight Hopkins? Isn't Hopkins the more accomplished of the two?
hopkins is overated. Ive said this before for 10 years he fought welterweights and second rate middleweights and lost to taylor, who is useless.
SC also if Joe Calzaghe gets credit for ruling his division Hopkins deserves the same recongnition.
Hopkins only ruled cos the likes of Toney, Jones and Mccallum werent there. he lost to Jones and the other two would have beaten him. even nunn would beat him. CALZAGHE has beaten everyone hes faced he's never lost a pro bout. and to be honest There is no boxer from middleweight to light heavyweight who can beat him. he would destroy hopkins. The fight is a mismatch.
You could argue that Calzaghe only ruled because Jones, Toney and Mccallum wrent there..... If Jones had fought Joe when Joe first got his belt it would have been all over for Joe there and then.
You can say that again ;)
Not to pick holes....but that argument can be applied to any fighter who has ever fought and dominated a division. Jones and Toney were gone from SMW before Calzaghe even got wind of a world title shot.
Following your logic, here's a few other examples:
Hopkins was only able to rule the middleweight division because Carlos Monzon, Sugar Ray Robinson and Roy Jones Jnr weren't there.
Lennox Lewis was only able to rule the heavyweights because Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier and Sonny Liston weren't there.
and on, and on, and on, and on....
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Calzaghe could have pushed for Jones though when he ruled Lightheavy in the same way Woods pushed for his shot or Lacy and Kessler pushed for there shot at Calzaghe.Calzaghe has never really pushed for a fight and travelled to get it .
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When Calzaghe got his belt for the first time he was still very green fighter still and not prime yet plus Roy moved up when he got it any how.
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Calzaghe could have pushed for Jones though when he ruled Lightheavy in the same way Woods pushed for his shot or Lacy and Kessler pushed for there shot at Calzaghe.Calzaghe has never really pushed for a fight and travelled to get it .
I think Calzaghe just got bored of Roy Jones Jr because for two years or so at the start of the 00's he was practically calling for a fight with him after every bout, and RJJ never put forward any signs that he'd be willing to fight him, except saying once (that I could find) in 2002 that Calzaghe could be a future opponent, after he beat Clinton Woods. At the end of the day, Calzaghe was pushing as he could, and I'm not sure what Warren was doing, except getting a free trip to the states.
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of fighting all his professional fights in Great Britain? Why can't he come over to the USA to fight Hopkins? Isn't Hopkins the more accomplished of the two?
hopkins is overated. Ive said this before for 10 years he fought welterweights and second rate middleweights and lost to taylor, who is useless.
SC also if Joe Calzaghe gets credit for ruling his division Hopkins deserves the same recongnition.
Hopkins only ruled cos the likes of Toney, Jones and Mccallum werent there. he lost to Jones and the other two would have beaten him. even nunn would beat him. CALZAGHE has beaten everyone hes faced he's never lost a pro bout. and to be honest There is no boxer from middleweight to light heavyweight who can beat him. he would destroy hopkins. The fight is a mismatch.
You could argue that Calzaghe only ruled because Jones, Toney and Mccallum wrent there..... If Jones had fought Joe when Joe first got his belt it would have been all over for Joe there and then.
You can say that again ;)
Not to pick holes....but that argument can be applied to any fighter who has ever fought and dominated a division. Jones and Toney were gone from SMW before Calzaghe even got wind of a world title shot.
Following your logic, here's a few other examples:
Hopkins was only able to rule the middleweight division because Carlos Monzon, Sugar Ray Robinson and Roy Jones Jnr weren't there.
Lennox Lewis was only able to rule the heavyweights because Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier and Sonny Liston weren't there.
and on, and on, and on, and on....
Were u having a go at me? It was Seanie who started the stupid argument. I get exactly what u mean tho. I hate the whole 'Hopkins only fought welterweights' thing. I mean he destroyed a 32-0 Glen Johnson who went on to be a force at LHW.
Yeah Tito started at 147 but he KTFO Joppy before the Hopkins fight, and Joppy was a good MW who went the distance with Hopkins and Taylor.
RJJ was unstoppable at MW when the nard fought him and BHOP gave him a tough fight.
Taylor beat Hopkins when he was over 40.
Hopkins beat Tarver at LHW when Tarver was the man at LHW!
Calzaghe is a great fighter, and i understand if u like him, he has beaten down the challengers he has faced, and has generally done so with ease. I can understand if u like him, but dont try and make out like Hopkins hasnt done as much in his career as Joe cos he has more big names on his opponent list.
Just be a fan of both and hope they fight.
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Well if you look at numbers Hopkins and Calzaghe kind of remind me of one another when it comes to there careers and what they accomplished.
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of fighting all his professional fights in Great Britain? Why can't he come over to the USA to fight Hopkins? Isn't Hopkins the more accomplished of the two?
hopkins is overated. Ive said this before for 10 years he fought welterweights and second rate middleweights and lost to taylor, who is useless.
SC also if Joe Calzaghe gets credit for ruling his division Hopkins deserves the same recongnition.
Hopkins only ruled cos the likes of Toney, Jones and Mccallum werent there. he lost to Jones and the other two would have beaten him. even nunn would beat him. CALZAGHE has beaten everyone hes faced he's never lost a pro bout. and to be honest There is no boxer from middleweight to light heavyweight who can beat him. he would destroy hopkins. The fight is a mismatch.
You could argue that Calzaghe only ruled because Jones, Toney and Mccallum wrent there..... If Jones had fought Joe when Joe first got his belt it would have been all over for Joe there and then.
You can say that again ;)
Not to pick holes....but that argument can be applied to any fighter who has ever fought and dominated a division. Jones and Toney were gone from SMW before Calzaghe even got wind of a world title shot.
Following your logic, here's a few other examples:
Hopkins was only able to rule the middleweight division because Carlos Monzon, Sugar Ray Robinson and Roy Jones Jnr weren't there.
Lennox Lewis was only able to rule the heavyweights because Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier and Sonny Liston weren't there.
and on, and on, and on, and on....
Were u having a go at me? It was Seanie who started the stupid argument. I get exactly what u mean tho. I hate the whole 'Hopkins only fought welterweights' thing. I mean he destroyed a 32-0 Glen Johnson who went on to be a force at LHW.
Yeah Tito started at 147 but he KTFO Joppy before the Hopkins fight, and Joppy was a good MW who went the distance with Hopkins and Taylor.
RJJ was unstoppable at MW when the nard fought him and BHOP gave him a tough fight.
Taylor beat Hopkins when he was over 40.
Hopkins beat Tarver at LHW when Tarver was the man at LHW!
Calzaghe is a great fighter, and i understand if u like him, he has beaten down the challengers he has faced, and has generally done so with ease. I can understand if u like him, but dont try and make out like Hopkins hasnt done as much in his career as Joe cos he has more big names on his opponent list.
Just be a fan of both and hope they fight.
I might try and get this in my sig, so its sort of a permanent disclaimer, but I am not dissing Hopkins nor his achievements. He's been a great champion and beaten an awful lot of good champions and ruled in the middleweights, and has done well in skipping to light heavyweight to become a champion there too.
My only beef with Hopkins is that him dissing Calzaghe for not leaving the UK is utter bollocks, because his fights outside of the states are of an even lower quality than Calzaghe's.
I was only saying that the whole idea of an argument based on a fighter being diminished because other fighters who'd moved up in weight/retired years before is futile, and about as useful as trying to lick your back.
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What a stupid posting.
Seriously, enlighten me as to how you define real work. Moron.
Kessler and Lacy are his two big names. These two guys wanted to prove themselves, therefore they went and sought out the best in their division, even in a foreign country, where the best had home court advantage.
Calzaghe on the other hand during his reign knew that his challenges weren't the up and coming boxers but the established boxers around his weight division. Boxers like Ry Jones, Hopkins, Tarver, Johnson, Hill etc. Calzaghe never was hungry to challenge these fighters to the point of calling them out and going to these fighters home country.
Now that Calzaghe is about to wrap up his career, he still wants the privilege of completing his career without getting off his stool and climbing the mount of direct challenges. This is why I have to ask why should he have the privileged of being hailed as great by not taking up the leadershipi roll of challenging his contemporaries to prove himself, even to the point of going to his contemporaries home and dethroning them.
Heck, even Zab Judah fought Corey Spinks in St. Lious, and Hatton is about to fight Foyd in Vegas (Floyd's home town). These fighters know that true glory comes through sacrifice. Hopkins fought Trinidad in MSG (knowing fully well that NYC is Puerto Rico Jr.)
Now this is not an indictment of the skills of Calzaghe. I believe he will take Hopkins. But I don't believe that he should have home field advantage in this one. He is a cuddled champion and a cuddled fighter.
Again, Calzaghe fought 15 times in effectively a foreign country before he won his first world championship. He's Welsh and his early fights were in England. He's also gone to Denmark and Germany to fight.
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What a stupid posting.
Seriously, enlighten me as to how you define real work. Moron.
Kessler and Lacy are his two big names. These two guys wanted to prove themselves, therefore they went and sought out the best in their division, even in a foreign country, where the best had home court advantage.
Calzaghe on the other hand during his reign knew that his challenges weren't the up and coming boxers but the established boxers around his weight division. Boxers like Ry Jones, Hopkins, Tarver, Johnson, Hill etc. Calzaghe never was hungry to challenge these fighters to the point of calling them out and going to these fighters home country.
Now that Calzaghe is about to wrap up his career, he still wants the privilege of completing his career without getting off his stool and climbing the mount of direct challenges. This is why I have to ask why should he have the privileged of being hailed as great by not taking up the leadershipi roll of challenging his contemporaries to prove himself, even to the point of going to his contemporaries home and dethroning them.
Heck, even Zab Judah fought Corey Spinks in St. Lious, and Hatton is about to fight Foyd in Vegas (Floyd's home town). These fighters know that true glory comes through sacrifice. Hopkins fought Trinidad in MSG (knowing fully well that NYC is Puerto Rico Jr.)
Now this is not an indictment of the skills of Calzaghe. I believe he will take Hopkins. But I don't believe that he should have home field advantage in this one. He is a cuddled champion and a cuddled fighter.
Again, Calzaghe fought 15 times in effectively a foreign country before he won his first world championship. He's Welsh and his early fights were in England. He's also gone to Denmark and Germany to fight.
Yeah well Hopkins is from Philadelphia and only 10 of his 54 career fights have been in Philadelphia. So I guess he's been a road warrior his whole career. And last I heard Calzaghe was born in England. So how is that a foreign country to him?
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What a stupid posting.
Seriously, enlighten me as to how you define real work. Moron.
Kessler and Lacy are his two big names. These two guys wanted to prove themselves, therefore they went and sought out the best in their division, even in a foreign country, where the best had home court advantage.
Calzaghe on the other hand during his reign knew that his challenges weren't the up and coming boxers but the established boxers around his weight division. Boxers like Ry Jones, Hopkins, Tarver, Johnson, Hill etc. Calzaghe never was hungry to challenge these fighters to the point of calling them out and going to these fighters home country.
Now that Calzaghe is about to wrap up his career, he still wants the privilege of completing his career without getting off his stool and climbing the mount of direct challenges. This is why I have to ask why should he have the privileged of being hailed as great by not taking up the leadershipi roll of challenging his contemporaries to prove himself, even to the point of going to his contemporaries home and dethroning them.
Heck, even Zab Judah fought Corey Spinks in St. Lious, and Hatton is about to fight Foyd in Vegas (Floyd's home town). These fighters know that true glory comes through sacrifice. Hopkins fought Trinidad in MSG (knowing fully well that NYC is Puerto Rico Jr.)
Now this is not an indictment of the skills of Calzaghe. I believe he will take Hopkins. But I don't believe that he should have home field advantage in this one. He is a cuddled champion and a cuddled fighter.
Again, Calzaghe fought 15 times in effectively a foreign country before he won his first world championship. He's Welsh and his early fights were in England. He's also gone to Denmark and Germany to fight.
Yeah well Hopkins is from Philadelphia and only 10 of his 54 career fights have been in Philadelphia. So I guess he's been a road warrior his whole career. And last I heard Calzaghe was born in England. So how is that a foreign country to him?
So Philadelphia is a country now? Are you really this dumb or are you just as desperate as usual to bash Calzaghe?
As far as the English punters there to support their fighter at the fights knew, a guy fighting out of Newbridge, Wales is a sheepshagger, and therefore fair game for everything that goes on when a foreign fighter appears on a small hall bill in England. Calzaghe's been spat on on the way to the ring, you name it. And this was all when he was an up-and-comer without the experience of a top fighter.
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What a stupid posting.
Seriously, enlighten me as to how you define real work. Moron.
Kessler and Lacy are his two big names. These two guys wanted to prove themselves, therefore they went and sought out the best in their division, even in a foreign country, where the best had home court advantage.
Calzaghe on the other hand during his reign knew that his challenges weren't the up and coming boxers but the established boxers around his weight division. Boxers like Ry Jones, Hopkins, Tarver, Johnson, Hill etc. Calzaghe never was hungry to challenge these fighters to the point of calling them out and going to these fighters home country.
Now that Calzaghe is about to wrap up his career, he still wants the privilege of completing his career without getting off his stool and climbing the mount of direct challenges. This is why I have to ask why should he have the privileged of being hailed as great by not taking up the leadershipi roll of challenging his contemporaries to prove himself, even to the point of going to his contemporaries home and dethroning them.
Heck, even Zab Judah fought Corey Spinks in St. Lious, and Hatton is about to fight Foyd in Vegas (Floyd's home town). These fighters know that true glory comes through sacrifice. Hopkins fought Trinidad in MSG (knowing fully well that NYC is Puerto Rico Jr.)
Now this is not an indictment of the skills of Calzaghe. I believe he will take Hopkins. But I don't believe that he should have home field advantage in this one. He is a cuddled champion and a cuddled fighter.
Again, Calzaghe fought 15 times in effectively a foreign country before he won his first world championship. He's Welsh and his early fights were in England. He's also gone to Denmark and Germany to fight.
Yeah well Hopkins is from Philadelphia and only 10 of his 54 career fights have been in Philadelphia. So I guess he's been a road warrior his whole career. And last I heard Calzaghe was born in England. So how is that a foreign country to him?
So Philadelphia is a country now? Are you really this dumb or are you just as desperate as usual to bash Calzaghe?
As far as the English punters there to support their fighter at the fights knew, a guy fighting out of Newbridge, Wales is a sheepshagger, and therefore fair game for everything that goes on when a foreign fighter appears on a small hall bill in England. Calzaghe's been spat on on the way to the ring, you name it. And this was all when he was an up-and-comer without the experience of a top fighter.
Calzaghe was born in ENGLAND. It's his birth country. Only a fool would consider him fighting in his birth country to be a foreign country. Jesus Christ, where does Saddo find some of these morons?
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What a stupid posting.
Seriously, enlighten me as to how you define real work. Moron.
Kessler and Lacy are his two big names. These two guys wanted to prove themselves, therefore they went and sought out the best in their division, even in a foreign country, where the best had home court advantage.
Calzaghe on the other hand during his reign knew that his challenges weren't the up and coming boxers but the established boxers around his weight division. Boxers like Ry Jones, Hopkins, Tarver, Johnson, Hill etc. Calzaghe never was hungry to challenge these fighters to the point of calling them out and going to these fighters home country.
Now that Calzaghe is about to wrap up his career, he still wants the privilege of completing his career without getting off his stool and climbing the mount of direct challenges. This is why I have to ask why should he have the privileged of being hailed as great by not taking up the leadershipi roll of challenging his contemporaries to prove himself, even to the point of going to his contemporaries home and dethroning them.
Heck, even Zab Judah fought Corey Spinks in St. Lious, and Hatton is about to fight Foyd in Vegas (Floyd's home town). These fighters know that true glory comes through sacrifice. Hopkins fought Trinidad in MSG (knowing fully well that NYC is Puerto Rico Jr.)
Now this is not an indictment of the skills of Calzaghe. I believe he will take Hopkins. But I don't believe that he should have home field advantage in this one. He is a cuddled champion and a cuddled fighter.
Again, Calzaghe fought 15 times in effectively a foreign country before he won his first world championship. He's Welsh and his early fights were in England. He's also gone to Denmark and Germany to fight.
Yeah well Hopkins is from Philadelphia and only 10 of his 54 career fights have been in Philadelphia. So I guess he's been a road warrior his whole career. And last I heard Calzaghe was born in England. So how is that a foreign country to him?
So Philadelphia is a country now? Are you really this dumb or are you just as desperate as usual to bash Calzaghe?
As far as the English punters there to support their fighter at the fights knew, a guy fighting out of Newbridge, Wales is a sheepshagger, and therefore fair game for everything that goes on when a foreign fighter appears on a small hall bill in England. Calzaghe's been spat on on the way to the ring, you name it. And this was all when he was an up-and-comer without the experience of a top fighter.
Calzaghe was born in ENGLAND. It's his birth country. Only a fool would consider him fighting in his birth country to be a foreign country. Jesus Christ, where does Saddo find some of these morons?
I'm happy to let the people reading this judge which of us is the fool here.
You're a one-eyed nationalist who can't deal with the idea that foreigners might actually be better than American fighters and you appear to have a compulsion to post incessantly to make this point*. It seems to be a combination of nationalism and annoying other (foreign) people that drives this compulsion. I'm not going to speculate right now on the issues you may have that are feeding this compulsion. I'll wait till I get more evidence. :)
*I'm sure there are some foreigners you think are good -- there's always the exception to prove the rule. Perhaps they're people you find non-threatening?
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Were u having a go at me? It was Seanie who started the stupid argument. I get exactly what u mean tho. I hate the whole 'Hopkins only fought welterweights' thing. I mean he destroyed a 32-0 Glen Johnson who went on to be a force at LHW.
Yeah Tito started at 147 but he KTFO Joppy before the Hopkins fight, and Joppy was a good MW who went the distance with Hopkins and Taylor.
RJJ was unstoppable at MW when the nard fought him and BHOP gave him a tough fight.
Taylor beat Hopkins when he was over 40.
Hopkins beat Tarver at LHW when Tarver was the man at LHW!
Calzaghe is a great fighter, and i understand if u like him, he has beaten down the challengers he has faced, and has generally done so with ease. I can understand if u like him, but dont try and make out like Hopkins hasnt done as much in his career as Joe cos he has more big names on his opponent list.
Just be a fan of both and hope they fight.
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Johnson may have been 32 - 0 but his record had more padding than a comfy sofa.
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of fighting all his professional fights in Great Britain? Why can't he come over to the USA to fight Hopkins? Isn't Hopkins the more accomplished of the two?
The question goes both ways.
Why cant Hopkins fight out side of America?
But for the record I think Calzaghe's lack of willingness to fight in the States has held his carrer back.
p.s.Hopkins is way to smart a man to fight Calzaghe now unless its for crazey money coz he knows he would get beaten out of site.It would be a very easy fight for Joe.
