Mike Tyson vs Muhammed ALI

Lewis was 39 years of age he had already beat the best of his era, so he took on the biggest and toughest up and coming heavyweight from the next era coming up and got a 6 round stoppage and made his face look a mess in the process !! But Lewis didn't take any risks did he ....LMAO, ---Marshmellow

Risks, eh? Lewis knows all about that. Over 25 M-I-L-L-I-O-N DOLLARS..... OVER 25 Mill.... Your boy Lennox Lewis turned down for a rematch with Vitaly. And Lewis' trainer, Emanuel Steward, pleaded Lennox for a rematch.

Lewis knows something that I, Vitaly, and some members here saw, Lewis was being outboxed and he was near dead tired as he fell on his stool after the last round. Yeah, he deserved the win. It's just that, if he thought he was so badass, and "Like fine wine, I get better as I age" ... Why didn't he take the biggest payday of his career and TKO Klitschko again?

Throughout his career, Lewis was always ready to be taken, even if it was by a lucky punch. For a big man, he was fast, but against a fighter [Ali], who's speed made black and white footage turn grey with movement, he's just a big lug. First things Last, heavies keep growing as generations go by, and Ali has never fought such a tall opponent who fights tall like Lennox. And Lennox, in this BIG HEAVYWEIGHT AGE, has fought all short, tall, and big fighters, by the way, Vitaly's height gave HIM problem's he's never faced in his career. So it's difficult to compare Ali to these taller superheavyweights of today. All I really know is that Ali more killer instinct than most or any of the famous fighters today. And Ali always pulled it off when it mattered. The same can be said about Lennox, but he was cautious for a reason, he knew his chin wasn't that good. Sometimes your opponent doesn't give you the luxury of being cautious and it doesn't matter how tall you are. Ali stood up to the worst and the best tests. Lennox? Evander, who would later lose to Ruiz. Tyson, who we all know is a shell of 1989? Rahman, who couldn't even beat Ruiz?

Yeah Lennox' career is, first ballot hall of fame, it's legendary, it's great, but has he really faced a Mean, Baddass, Big, Knockout Artist, In his Prime Fighter? ? ? Ali has.

From 1965-67, I've never seen a Heavyweight move so gracefully across the ring. Not even lightweights have the energy to move that much and that consistently over 15 rounds..... well, maybe some. ;)

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ali had a faster jab than lewis.
Sports illustrated timed it as 4 hundrets of a second.
Lewis wasn't fleetfooted, his chin was made out of glass and he didn't have the heart of ali.
However lewis has got a very good chance because he is taller than ali so he could outbox him, he weighs more than ali so he has a stronger punch.
To be honest i don't know who would win?, but i thing i know is about muhammad ali is that he always seemed to win when the odds were stacked against him.

I heard so many people slate Lewis's opponents saying they were past their best and all that shit, that was not Lewis's problem ... Lewis wanted the Holyfield and Tyson fights in the early 90's and neither 1 came to the plate.

If you look at Ali's bests wins, You can say that Liston was way past his best when he fought Clay .. he was meant to be 38 at the time but no fucker knew Listons real age, some rumours even said he was 40 when he fought Ali.

Frazier .... You put Frazier in with Lewis and watch a 1 sided pumelling, there would be no 2nd and 3rd fight if Frazier was put in with a prime Lewis.

Foreman .... sorry but watching that big mummy in the ring makes me laugh, no way did he have the natural boxing skills of Lewis and people talk about Lewis's chin check out Foreman's chin in his losses, not to good let me tell ya.

To say Lewis's chin is like glass is a joke, he has took punches off Tyson, Holyfield, Mercer, Tua, Grant, and never got KOED. His 2 KO defeats were off killer punches and it happens in the heavyweight division. Lewis got straight back in their which shows heart and destroyed them in the rematch proving that they were lucky punches.

As for Ali, great that he was and he did prove in the ring that he had the best chin going, I just think Lewis would of made easier work fighting the likes of Norton, Frazier,and Foreman.

And please don't make the Klitscho fight as a point, what other Heavyweight would be able to pull off a win against the next big thing at 39.... Ali tried it with Holmes ..... Holmes tried it with Tyson and look what happened. Also if you watch the Klitszcho fight VK's punches were weak ass to Lewis's big uppercuts and right hands.

Lewis proved his point, then retired and he gets slated for it... but everyone calls for Holyfield to retire. You yanks talk shit, admit you fools all your best fighters got fucking wupped off Lewis and you cant handle it !!

Oh and another thing ...... your making the Klitszcho fight as a point why Lewis never took chances. Well you would know Lewis was supposed to be fighting Kirk Johnson and took the Klitszcho fight at short notice, he also weighed in at his heaviest ever for a fight 18 stone 3, about 260lbs.

So he was 39, just came off his career defining fight with Tyson, was getting told by everyone he should retire was supposed to be fighting Johnson fought Klitszcho and still won. LMAO And you still find things to slag him off, Hey if Lewis looked Tired at the end of the 6th round, Klitszcho looked like he had been hit by a bus !!

Lewis could come back now and still beat Klitszcho, and I would love it if he did to shut muppets like yourself up !!

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Originally Posted by gyrokai

Lewis was 39 years of age he had already beat the best of his era, so he took on the biggest and toughest up and coming heavyweight from the next era coming up and got a 6 round stoppage and made his face look a mess in the process !! But Lewis didn't take any risks did he ....LMAO, ---Marshmellow

Risks, eh? Lewis knows all about that. Over 25 M-I-L-L-I-O-N DOLLARS..... OVER 25 Mill.... Your boy Lennox Lewis turned down for a rematch with Vitaly. And Lewis' trainer, Emanuel Steward, pleaded Lennox for a rematch.Â

Lewis knows something that I, Vitaly, and some members here saw, Lewis was being outboxed and he was near dead tired as he fell on his stool after the last round. Yeah, he deserved the win. It's just that, if he thought he was so badass, and "Like fine wine, I get better as I age" ... Why didn't he take the biggest payday of his career and TKO Klitschko again?

Throughout his career, Lewis was always ready to be taken, even if it was by a lucky punch. For a big man, he was fast, but against a fighter [Ali], who's speed made black and white footage turn grey with movement, he's just a big lug. First things Last, heavies keep growing as generations go by, and Ali has never fought such a tall opponent who fights tall like Lennox. And Lennox, in this BIG HEAVYWEIGHT AGE, has fought all short, tall, and big fighters, by the way, Vitaly's height gave HIM problem's he's never faced in his career. So it's difficult to compare Ali to these taller superheavyweights of today. All I really know is that Ali more killer instinct than most or any of the famous fighters today. And Ali always pulled it off when it mattered. The same can be said about Lennox, but he was cautious for a reason, he knew his chin wasn't that good. Sometimes your opponent doesn't give you the luxury of being cautious and it doesn't matter how tall you are. Ali stood up to the worst and the best tests. Lennox? Evander, who would later lose to Ruiz. Tyson, who we all know is a shell of 1989? Rahman, who couldn't even beat Ruiz?Â

Yeah Lennox' career is, first ballot hall of fame, it's legendary, it's great, but has he really faced a Mean, Baddass, Big, Knockout Artist, In his Prime Fighter? ? ? Ali has.

From 1965-67, I've never seen a Heavyweight move so gracefully across the ring. Not even lightweights have the energy to move that much and that consistently over 15 rounds..... well, maybe some. ;)Â

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Hey, you said Lewis never fought a mean bad ass KO artist that was in his prime, well try Galota, Tua, Grant, Mercer, Ruddock all them had great KO's and were supposed to be big threats and looked great in other fights. I remember Lewis was the under dog against Golata look what happened. Grant was supposed to be the biggest threat to Lewis at the time 33-0 and look what happened there !!

So if Lewis didn't fight big bad ass KO artists in their prime neither did Tyson, and Holyfield just had Bowe, and we all know Bowe shit out of fighting Lewis because the beating he took off him in the Olympics was still fresh in his memory !!

Just because Lewis made all these fighters look not so great dont mean that they weren't good fighters !!

1 more thing, you go on about Ali like he never had a dull fight and he fought In prime KO machines week in week out, Obviously you haven't watched his career, because he fought alot of bums aswell and looked mediocre against them and alot of his fights went the distance.

Lewis's dull fights were dull because he simply out boxed them and the other fighter never had a chance of winning !!

Of course a lot of alis fights went the distance. You have to look at who he was fighting. Ali was never known for knock out power like lewis was. Ali would kill lewis. When ali was younger he never had a dull fight like lewis-tua.

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Originally Posted by muchmoore

Of course a lot of alis fights went the distance. You have to look at who he was fighting. Ali was never known for knock out power like lewis was. Ali would kill lewis. When ali was younger he never had a dull fight like lewis-tua.

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So Lewis has a couple of dull fights were he won every single round and its like he has committed murder,
Roy Jones made a career of having dull fights were he out boxed his opponent, Hopkins does it, DLH does it ... and you said when Ali was younger he never had a dull fight, well neither did Lewis and considering Lewis was 36 when he fought Tua you have to say its a pretty damn good boxing display, and I see Tua never gets blamed for how boring that fight was, thats the first person I blame because he was poor in that fight and couldn't get anywhere near Lewis, and got his head jabbed off !!

Oh so everyone Ali went the distance with were great boxers .... dont think so, the likes of Joe Bugner spring to mind, twice went the distance with Ali !!

Its difficult to compare boxers from 2 different eras

But no doubt if Lewis was American he'd be considered one of the greatest of all time.
Very valid point about the Klitchko fight Lewis wasn't 100% for that fight IMO and I'm certain he would've been alot better in an immediate rematch. Nobody beats Lewis twice

Klitcszho never beat him once ......LOL

Shit people say it so often I think I actually forgot the fight for a minute ;D

Oh yeah Klitchkos bloody mess of a face is coming back to me

Thats actually quite funny was Klitchko even winning on the score cards?

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Originally Posted by PunchDrunkHighOn_?

s*** people say it so often I think I actually forgot the fight for a minute ;D

Oh yeah Klitchkos bloody mess of a face is coming back to me

Thats actually quite funny was Klitchko even winning on the score cards?

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Yeah he was 2 rounds up .... but them early rounds it looked like to me Lewis was taking the piss abit, the telling punches in the fight were Lewis's and I could only see one person winning it and that was Lewis.

I love it when Rocky talks dirty. :D

I used to say ali would dismantle tyson. But after watching alis early fights particularily his fight with doug jones a young ali may have been in trouble as ali got hurt in his younger days and against tyson he may not have reovered. After winning the belt ali began to grow physically stronger and became alrger stronger man who could tie you up, that version beats any version of tyson. Lewis to big and slow ali could dance all nigth lewis had nothing for him. I get flamed often for this but holy may have given ali trouble as huis style is similar to nortons only he is much tougher and has better hand speed, Id still go with ali outjabbing evander with his big reach but boxing is styles. I would take ali as the favorite against just about anyone

PAC .... what do you mean he was slow ??? Hands or feet !!

I think your wrong with either one, really wrong !!