Re: Challenge to the Mayweather Haters and Cotto supporters
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Originally Posted by Mr140
I hate PBf not going to lie i hate him so much i wanted hatton to win which i have a better chance of winning the world series of poker. Look Hatton was not that good of a win in WW division although PBF desposed of him which is a good thing. People make me mad when they compare Cotto to Hatton they are completly different. Cotto uses smart pressure and has a good jab to apply it with and what happens if the Cotto wins will PBF fan boys give him his respect i highly doubt it. Look Cotto has not said he would not face the top welters PBF has hinted at it i doubt PBF will face PW because he will most likely will lose to the freak and i bet money on PW he is all wrong for PBF and PBF knows this. Look i not denying PBF is great he is ATG in 130,135 but in 140 he did nothing and 154 he did nothing and 147 he still fighting we will see but look people complaining about PBF hater need to open there eyes because there are alot of Cotto hater in this form to not point out names some of them are in the thread it goes both ways do not forget.
Hi Mr140 , i agree with you ,you are righ i dont understand how people can compare Hatton with Cotto they are completly different the Quality of boxing from Cotto is very Superior and also Hatton even know how boxing that is the True, and about Williams , i want to ask to Cotto haters if Williams can support the Cotto punch, come on guys, we know that Williams make lot of punch and he are fast too ,but he dont going support the Cotto punch certainly , about Margarito vs Williams; Margarito lose that fight because he just wanted KO him and didnt came with other plan B to how work him, now let see what William can do to Quintana ,this fight going to be good . 8) 8)
Re: Challenge to the Mayweather Haters and Cotto supporters
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Originally Posted by Floyd_Fears_Cotto
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Majesty Wrote
And Cotto fighting Mosley was a close and hard fight and Cotto didnt "beat the crap" out of Mosley and he didn't dominate him either, Cotto won the fight but it wasn't a domination. Much like his fight with Malignaggi wasnt a domination either but Cotto fans try to make it sound like it.
You silly little boy lover.
It was a Unanimous Decision.
Did you see Shane's face?
Both side swollen, ruptured ear drum.
Now you say Paulie was not owned?
What fight were you watching?
Unanimous Decision
judge: Don Trella 115-112 | judge: Glenn Feldman 116-111 | judge: Peter Trematerra 116-111 ~
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/509...gnaggi9tz6.jpg
If that aint the face of someone getting owned, I don't know what is.
Cotto beat this fool with one hand.
;D
Imagine what would have happend to him had Cotto not broke his hand? LMAO
Sit the hell down Majesty and go find some little boy to lie to.
:o
;D ;D ;D :o Hi Floyd_fear_Cotto , jajajaja wow damn.....i dont undestand why people dont believe what can Cotto do, for Cotto haters , in Puerto Rico the fans called him the terror kidney because he put drain blood to the most of his oponent , jaja ;D and that is why Mayweather have scare him ;D and Malignaggi sure can say that . DAMN........THAT PHOTO LOOK NICE....JAJAJAJAJA ;D ;D ;D ;D
Re: Challenge to the Mayweather Haters and Cotto supporters
Yep,because once he fights truly ELITE competition he looks like a b-fighter ,hell Collazo exposed him and he is far from elite!
Re: Challenge to the Mayweather Haters and Cotto supporters
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Originally Posted by The Grinch
Maj, i have to agree with you on one thing. I think all boxers should try to keep Mayweather's name out of their mouths.
Mayweather IS the linear champ but its obvious that, at this stage of his career, he is a law unto himself, meaning he simply wont oblige run of the mill challenges (note; not challengers ;) )
Besides, i have serious reservations on him
a) Fighting a top 5 Welter
or
b) Ever fighting again.
I just dont see him doing it against the big boys of the division.
I mean lets look at Mayweathers last 4 fights, the ones that supposedly ''showed why his legacy is ligit''
Judah, although is still IMO a world class operator, is not (actually never) winning key fights.
Baldomir is a tough fight for mentally frail, chinny or old shot fighter but will never achieve anything in his life except for beating Judah. Who as ive already said, losses key fights.
Dela Hoya The sports most decorated fighter and a garunteed life making paycheck. But lets be honset, Molsey beat him nearly 10 years ago and Cotto, Williams and Margarito would probably beat him now.... That could be up for serious debate but im ready ;D
Hatton... Well, as much as it pains me to say this. If Hatton looked that small against Mayweather then im probably right in saying that the entire top 10 of the WW division would beat him.
Now on the face of things, these four fights look very very decent but really, Maywether has NOT faced the TOP guys at Welterweight. As a Welterweight himself. As the Worlds premier fighter. For whatever reason. That is the fact of the matter.
I know Cotto is yet to also... But you can bet your life he will.
P.S Judah wasn't Mayweathers 1st fight at Welter, it was Shamba Mitchell ;)
Alright lets look at Cotto's last 4 fights
Mosley: A name fighter that you could place in a class with Oscar but he isnt the same Shane Mosley that he was those years ago and it was a close and tough fight for Cotto.
Judah: Floyd already had beaten him and Judah hadnt won a fight in a year, how he got that fight with Cotto I have no idea. Just someone that Floyd had already beaten and people want ot excuse that by saying it was "The way" that Cotto beat him, but point remains, Floyd already beat Judah in his second fight at Welterweight. And as you said he loses key fights.
Urkal: Urkal....I dont think I need to say anything here and Cotto seemed to be off his game that night.
Quintana: Who is carlos quintana? He only got that claim because he beat a prospect named Julio. But I felt that Quintana had no chance in that fight he was a small fish being thrown in with a shark.
And no one has answered the question I asked earlier
How many champs has Cotto beaten for the title?
People wanna downgrade Hatton and they say Collazo showed he couldnt hang there.
Well Floyd showed that Judah couldnt hang, and so did Baldomir before that.
So why do people defend Cotto from this kind of critisism? See what I'm getting at
And he fought Oscar for the belt in oscar's weight class.
And that in my opinion is more impressive then Cotto beating Mosley.
Think about it, Mayweather is a small welterweight, he went up to 154 and beat Oscar with Oscar's gloves, in oscar's ring at oscar's weight, and as devastating as oscar looked against mayorga a lot of people thought he would knock him out.
And yet when Floyd one they say "Oh oscar was past his prime and etc etc" Mayweather fighting Oscar was a bigger risk then Cotto fighting Mosley in mu opinion.
And at Mayweather's most recent fight against Hatton, Hatton the ring fighter of the year and the best fighter at 140 and Mayweather isnt as natural a 147 pounder as Cotto probably is by now.
Let me ask you this, when has Cotto fought the best of ANY weight class?
People act like the fight would have been different if Mayweather fought Hatton at 140 as if Mayweather was a natural welterweight anyway.
Cotto aint fought the best at 140 or even 147. Meanwhile Mayweather has beaten the best at 135 and people said he didnt beat the best at 140(cause he only beat Gatti before) but he beats Hatton, and people try to make an excuse and say Hatton aint a natural welterweight, neither is Mayweather.
Cotto hasnt beat the best in any weight class.
And I'll ask again.
What champ has Cotto ever beat for the Title? Who did he ever have to take the title from?
Like I said, Mayweather already made his legacy, and other fighters are trying to base theirs off of him, why not fight each other.
Mayweather has taken more risks in his last 4 fights then Cotto has
Now I await your response.
Re: Challenge to the Mayweather Haters and Cotto supporters
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Originally Posted by Majesty
And some of the other welterweights.
Since the people here who I won't name because they make about 10 topics a day about this.
They say "Why doesn't mayweather fight cotto?" or "Why didn't he fight Margarito?"
As much as you people hate Mayweather you sure put him up there on this level where he has to be the only one to fight the good fighters in his division.
And you boxing fans don't know what you want, and thats not an insult its what I've seen.
You say Mayweather aint fought nobody who can match him stylictically and Zab Judah was your savior name. Floyd goes and beats Zab and then it became "He should have given Baldomir the shot"
Alright so he fights and beats Baldomir, the undisputed champ at welterweight and people say "Who beat Kostya Tszyu?" so Floyd now is the first and only to knock out Ricky Hatton and your new excuse is "Hatton isnt a welterweight, Floyd should fight a real one like Cotto"
And as soon as he beats Cotto it will become "he is still ducking Margarito" And once he beats Margarito it will be "margarito was overrated, at least Cotto had the balls to fight Shane" its a running joke alright?
And I'm not the only one who's had enough of it.
So I say to you fans who like to bash Mayweather as if he's the only person who can fight these guys.
Answer my question on this.
Cotto is a Welterweight, how about you explain to me why he hasn't faced anyone like Clottey, or Margarito, or Williams or even Cintron yet?
The only people on his resume who, if you want to play the "credit game"
The two best names on Cotto's resume are Shane Mosley and Zab Judah.
Mayweather already beat Zab Judah in his first fight at Welterweight and people didn't want to give Mayweather any credit whatsoever and if Zab had won that fight no one would be saying that Mayweather was a blown up Junior Welterweight or that the ref was against him.
Cotto beats Zab Judah and ahh hell breaks loose with the credit and kudos he'd gotten despite the fact Zab hadn't won a match since before the Baldomir fight, and had done nothing to get a shot at Cotto's title, and was there on star power and name alone, much like Shane Mosley.
Shane Mosley then gets the shot at Cotto when he hadn't fought since near the beginning of the year against Collazo who was coming off a loss to Ricky Hatton and wasn't anywhere near the rankings to take on Cotto so Mosley gets there on star power.
Mosley is a very accomplished superstar in the sport of boxing.
But honestly, had it been Mayweather that fought and beat him then you would have been complaining, you fans would have complained your heads off. Know why?
Because Floyd MOVED UP to oscar's weight class. And he beat Oscar De La Hoya at Oscar's own game, did he get any credit whatsoever? No... NONE from you fans who want to downgrade him and put him up for another challenge.
And even the HBO people say "The fact of the matter is he beat up a past his prime fighter and it was a close decision" To take credit from Mayweather.
However Miguel Cotto defeats Shane Mosley and all hell breaks loose and Cotto is the new STAR of boxing when Mosley falls in the same category as Oscar, a one great fighter who is now past his prime but can still go a little in a close decision victory.
Now don't try to tell me for one moment you can justify taking credit from Mayweather for beating Oscar, and then giving credit to Cotto for beating Mosley in the same sentence, it just doesn't work that way, it just doesnt.
So my biggest question to you. Is if Cotto is the "savior" of boxing and Mayweather is boxings "anti-christ" Then let me ask you. Cotto has been taking the same route Mayweather took AFTER Mayweather took the route first, why isn't Cotto the one fighting Margarito, Paul Williams, Joshua Clottey and hell even Kermit Cintron!?
Why is Cotto safe from your critisism when he is doing the same kinds of things Mayweather did but is presented as a different side of the railroad tracks when its really the same darn thing.
Answer me that. And Cotto isn't the only one I'm going after, I'm going after every one of those welterweights you dump on Mayweather's shoulders to fight that have yet to fight each other. And as long as you have been dogging Mayweather for it the FIRST time that these welterweights are actually fighting each other is Cintron and Williams, but with Cintrons "broken hand" that fight is questionable at this moment as to when it is going to happen.
So you mayweather "haters" out there.
Answer my question if you can.
And don't respond with just Mayweather bashing and no facts, because I'll just tell you that you didn't answer my question and then we'll be back to square one again.
So this is a challenge to all of you Mayweather haters and non-supporters that say he should fight these people.
Put your answers here, and lets put this whole debate to rest.
Hi Majesty,im going tell with all respect , for me Paul Williams, Cintron, Clotey and Margarito dont have nothing to Get with Cotto, he is more stronghest than them and i dont want take them off a credit because they are a good fighters but you have to see that is the time for Cotto make money and you know that Margarito had the time for fight Cotto but he lose with Williams that its not his fault and Williams cant support Cotto`s punches, he dont have kidney for hold his punches and Clotey Who is he? and Cintron? well we know :laugh: . 8)
Re: Challenge to the Mayweather Haters and Cotto supporters
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Originally Posted by Macho
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Originally Posted by Majesty
And some of the other welterweights.
Since the people here who I won't name because they make about 10 topics a day about this.
They say "Why doesn't mayweather fight cotto?" or "Why didn't he fight Margarito?"
As much as you people hate Mayweather you sure put him up there on this level where he has to be the only one to fight the good fighters in his division.
And you boxing fans don't know what you want, and thats not an insult its what I've seen.
You say Mayweather aint fought nobody who can match him stylictically and Zab Judah was your savior name. Floyd goes and beats Zab and then it became "He should have given Baldomir the shot"
Alright so he fights and beats Baldomir, the undisputed champ at welterweight and people say "Who beat Kostya Tszyu?" so Floyd now is the first and only to knock out Ricky Hatton and your new excuse is "Hatton isnt a welterweight, Floyd should fight a real one like Cotto"
And as soon as he beats Cotto it will become "he is still ducking Margarito" And once he beats Margarito it will be "margarito was overrated, at least Cotto had the balls to fight Shane" its a running joke alright?
And I'm not the only one who's had enough of it.
So I say to you fans who like to bash Mayweather as if he's the only person who can fight these guys.
Answer my question on this.
Cotto is a Welterweight, how about you explain to me why he hasn't faced anyone like Clottey, or Margarito, or Williams or even Cintron yet?
The only people on his resume who, if you want to play the "credit game"
The two best names on Cotto's resume are Shane Mosley and Zab Judah.
Mayweather already beat Zab Judah in his first fight at Welterweight and people didn't want to give Mayweather any credit whatsoever and if Zab had won that fight no one would be saying that Mayweather was a blown up Junior Welterweight or that the ref was against him.
Cotto beats Zab Judah and ahh hell breaks loose with the credit and kudos he'd gotten despite the fact Zab hadn't won a match since before the Baldomir fight, and had done nothing to get a shot at Cotto's title, and was there on star power and name alone, much like Shane Mosley.
Shane Mosley then gets the shot at Cotto when he hadn't fought since near the beginning of the year against Collazo who was coming off a loss to Ricky Hatton and wasn't anywhere near the rankings to take on Cotto so Mosley gets there on star power.
Mosley is a very accomplished superstar in the sport of boxing.
But honestly, had it been Mayweather that fought and beat him then you would have been complaining, you fans would have complained your heads off. Know why?
Because Floyd MOVED UP to oscar's weight class. And he beat Oscar De La Hoya at Oscar's own game, did he get any credit whatsoever? No... NONE from you fans who want to downgrade him and put him up for another challenge.
And even the HBO people say "The fact of the matter is he beat up a past his prime fighter and it was a close decision" To take credit from Mayweather.
However Miguel Cotto defeats Shane Mosley and all hell breaks loose and Cotto is the new STAR of boxing when Mosley falls in the same category as Oscar, a one great fighter who is now past his prime but can still go a little in a close decision victory.
Now don't try to tell me for one moment you can justify taking credit from Mayweather for beating Oscar, and then giving credit to Cotto for beating Mosley in the same sentence, it just doesn't work that way, it just doesnt.
So my biggest question to you. Is if Cotto is the "savior" of boxing and Mayweather is boxings "anti-christ" Then let me ask you. Cotto has been taking the same route Mayweather took AFTER Mayweather took the route first, why isn't Cotto the one fighting Margarito, Paul Williams, Joshua Clottey and hell even Kermit Cintron!?
Why is Cotto safe from your critisism when he is doing the same kinds of things Mayweather did but is presented as a different side of the railroad tracks when its really the same darn thing.
Answer me that. And Cotto isn't the only one I'm going after, I'm going after every one of those welterweights you dump on Mayweather's shoulders to fight that have yet to fight each other. And as long as you have been dogging Mayweather for it the FIRST time that these welterweights are actually fighting each other is Cintron and Williams, but with Cintrons "broken hand" that fight is questionable at this moment as to when it is going to happen.
So you mayweather "haters" out there.
Answer my question if you can.
And don't respond with just Mayweather bashing and no facts, because I'll just tell you that you didn't answer my question and then we'll be back to square one again.
So this is a challenge to all of you Mayweather haters and non-supporters that say he should fight these people.
Put your answers here, and lets put this whole debate to rest.
Hi Majesty,im going tell with all respect , for me Paul Williams, Cintron, Clotey and Margarito dont have nothing to Get with Cotto, he is more stronghest than them and i dont want take them off a credit because they are a good fighters but you have to see that is the time for Cotto make money and you know that Margarito had the time for fight Cotto but he lose with Williams that its not his fault and Williams cant support Cotto`s punches, he dont have kidney for hold his punches and Clotey Who is he? and Cintron? well we know :laugh: . 8)
Then make the fights happen and give Cotto a legacy.
Even though you say they'd be "easy" wins for Cotto and the others would have nothing to gain.
If Cotto had Margarito, Williams, Clottey and Cintron on his resume as victories he'd be number 2 p4p in the world and pushing for Floyd's spot because then you can legitimately say he beat the best 147 had to offer and made his legacy there so then its a situation where floyd HAS to fight him.
Would be better. Because if Mayweather beats Cotto there will always be people saying who Floyd should fight.
Floyd's already made his legacy, let Cotto make his and dont double standard then if victorious then him and Floyd should fight and everything will be answered.
But Those fights are probably never gonna happen. Cintron is gonna fight Williams and Margarito should fight Cotto on the undercard and those winners should face each other and the winner should face Mayweather. be a bigger money fight alltogether imo
Re: Challenge to the Mayweather Haters and Cotto supporters
8) About Williams we have to see first what going happen in his fight with Quintana ,he is a southpaw big puncher and we have to see if he recuperated the KO with Cotto.That fight may be could be a good fight because Quintana is STARVING to win and that could motivate him to do something different ,if not he have to quit. But if he make a good fight ,think ;D what going happen with Cotto. ;D
