Re: Cowardly klitscho and Tony "The Kitten" Thompson make me sick!!! [spoilers]
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Scrap
I always have a look a second time at Fights Ive seen live.So I thought Id Have a second look this morning. After two rounds I turned it off realising my first opinion was correct, crap. ;D
I watched the fight again as it showed up on TSN, our nations sports channel several times since.
I didn't enjoy the fight. Wish I did, was hoping to, but simply didn't.
Maybe I have just grown accustomed to watching lighter weights fight? Not really sure.
As mentioned in here, some things that I did notice that helped me not enjoy the fight, was the lack of mobility and angles. Wlad used his jab to keep that distance, but it was just that and little more, and I didn't think Thompson did much to get inside of it which he needed to. Wlad I was hoping would be forced to be more creative fighting a lefty, but I didn't see it. He did use his right a bit more I suppose. I don't buy the arguement that Thompson did well because he absorbed shots. Heavy bags absorb shots too, but don't lay down in the 10th and ask for their pay cheque. He did this after turning into a former sparring partner for 3 or so round before. The man clearly was not fighting to win. Wlad was fighting to win, and did...but it was was it was. Bit of a snoozefest.
I'm not sure but when did it become acceptable that heavyweights don't have to move laterally or otherwise and use the ring because they are big?
Re: Cowardly klitscho and Tony "The Kitten" Thompson make me sick!!! [spoilers]
Just to pile on a little more, fighting Alexander Povetkin won't do much to establish Wlad as THE guy. He should beat Povetkin after Alexander gassed out against Eddie Chambers. I say bring on Valuev. Circus freak though he may be, we want to see how touch he is and if Wlad can knock him out we should give him more respect after that. Despite the name-calling Valuev is a legit threat to any fighter in the division.
Re: Cowardly klitscho and Tony "The Kitten" Thompson make me sick!!! [spoilers]
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Mar
Klitchko wins.....dissappointment is understandable, but the guy is doing his job, as much of the blame has to be put on these opponets as well. The tiger had no buisness in the ring with klitchko, he wasn't exceptionally good in really any area, he threw bombs at the body that i thought would eventually get to klitscho but he just brushed them off. As long as he continues to beat the people set in front of him that's all he required to do. Do people want to see someone's head blow up everyfight maybe so, but there's a sport for those people now (mma etc), I don't have a problem with him at all, he's not threatned in the ring against these guys, sure he could do more and be more dramatic but winning is the ultimate goal in this sport and he's making a pretty decent career doing so......i did ask myself a couple of times watching this fight how haye would fare, hard to tell though cause i think he fights these chumps at one level and would have no choice but to look good against haye. Klitchko is going for the rounds these days...not the Ko. Nothing wrong with that imo......
I hear "doing his job" all the time... I love a boxer as much as a brawler... I think myself a purist for the most part but the whole point of a sport is for entertainment. Is Wlad dominant, yes... But being the king of bums still makes you a bum...
Re: Cowardly klitscho and Tony "The Kitten" Thompson make me sick!!! [spoilers]
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Lyle
Wlad still doesn't get any credit for beating Sam Peter!
I think Wladimir scrambled Sam Peter's brain. I haven't understood a word he has said since the fight.
Seriously, during the Klitschko fight Peter looked like he could take a spiked bat to the face and stay on his feet. Since then he has been knocked down by an unconvincing Jameel McCline and staggered by the inferior Maskaev.
If they fight again I think Wlad KO's Peter.
Re: Cowardly klitscho and Tony "The Kitten" Thompson make me sick!!! [spoilers]
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Lyle
Wlad is the best out there...and by the end of his career he's going to be mentioned with some big names....maybe even Lennox Lewis
And before people argue with me about that, Wlad is 32 and if Haye IS a good heavyweight and Wlad KO's him and unifies the belts along with beating some other top level fighters maybe a Solis or Povetkin after they become more seasoned fighters then people are going to have to give him SOME credit for being a good fighter.
Wlad still doesn't get any credit for beating Sam Peter!
He isn't a good fighter. He's the least worst heavyweight in a garbage division. If he'd been born 20 years earlier nobody would ever have heard of him.
Re: Cowardly klitscho and Tony "The Kitten" Thompson make me sick!!! [spoilers]
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Kirkland Laing
He isn't a good fighter. He's the least worst heavyweight in a garbage division. If he'd been born 20 years earlier nobody would ever have heard of him.
Yeah they would have 1988 the heavyweight division wasn't exactly STACKED....sure Lewis, Holyfield, Bowe,....Tyson was on the decline. Wlad would have been up there with them.
List the contenders those guys faced and Wlad would beat them
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Laing disagreeing with Lyle :o
I think what people are misunderstanding is, the reason people don't give him credit for beating Sam Peter is because they don't think anything of Peter or anyone else in the division. That's the whole point, it's a shitty division with a mediocre champion. Yeah he has top wins over top contenders like Byrd and Peter, but if people don't think anything of Byrd and Peter then obviously they aren't going to rate those wins.
Re: Cowardly klitscho and Tony "The Kitten" Thompson make me sick!!! [spoilers]
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Lyle
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Kirkland Laing
He isn't a good fighter. He's the least worst heavyweight in a garbage division. If he'd been born 20 years earlier nobody would ever have heard of him.
Yeah they would have 1988 the heavyweight division wasn't exactly STACKED....sure Lewis, Holyfield, Bowe,....Tyson was on the decline. Wlad would have been up there with them.
List the contenders those guys faced and Wlad would beat them
He stayed well out of the way of anybody good fighting journeymen in Germany till they retired, clearly he knew his limits even before he discovered his jaw was constructed out of the finest crystal. Your boy got beat by Ross "The Boss" Purrity, a garbage fighter with a losing record. He fights knowing one good punch on his china chin will put him on his Frankenstein arse yet again which is why his fights are always rubbish. No heavyweight with a glass jaw will ever be ranked as a great heavyweight. He only holds a belt because there are no good heavyweights anymore.
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Wlad tired out vs Purrity...hey shit happens Wlad's champ now so fucking live with it
Re: Cowardly klitscho and Tony "The Kitten" Thompson make me sick!!! [spoilers]
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Lyle
Wlad tired out vs Purrity...hey shit happens Wlad's champ now so fucking live with it
He's only champion by default. In any other era the glass-jawed Frankenstein lookalike would be in a freak show or farming cabbages in whichever former Soviet hellhole he originally comes from.
Re: Cowardly klitscho and Tony "The Kitten" Thompson make me sick!!! [spoilers]
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amat
Laing disagreeing with Lyle :o
I think what people are misunderstanding is, the reason people don't give him credit for beating Sam Peter is because they don't think anything of Peter or anyone else in the division. That's the whole point, it's a shitty division with a mediocre champion. Yeah he has top wins over top contenders like Byrd and Peter, but if people don't think anything of Byrd and Peter then obviously they aren't going to rate those wins.
What can I do? Lyle is always wrong about everything.
Re: Cowardly klitscho and Tony "The Kitten" Thompson make me sick!!! [spoilers]
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Kirkland Laing
He's only champion by default. In any other era the glass-jawed Frankenstein lookalike would be in a freak show or farming cabbages in whichever former Soviet hellhole he originally comes from.
Uh huh...Joe Louis was also Heavyweight Champion "by default" as was Rocky Marciano as was Larry Holmes and Mike Tyson....hell by your rational the only guys to earn it by having depth in the division are Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Bowe, Holyfield, and Lewis.
Wladimir is THE BEST and not by a little bit either...if you're waiting for Haye why don't you wait til he has actually FOUGHT a heavyweight hell I'd take you pumping up Odlainer Solis before Haye only because Solis has fought all his fights at heavyweight (and he KO'd Haye in the Olympics).
Re: Cowardly klitscho and Tony "The Kitten" Thompson make me sick!!! [spoilers]
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Lyle
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
He's only champion by default. In any other era the glass-jawed Frankenstein lookalike would be in a freak show or farming cabbages in whichever former Soviet hellhole he originally comes from.
Uh huh...Joe Louis was also Heavyweight Champion "by default" as was Rocky Marciano as was Larry Holmes and Mike Tyson....hell by your rational the only guys to earn it by having depth in the division are Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Bowe, Holyfield, and Lewis.
Wladimir is THE BEST and not by a little bit either...if you're waiting for Haye why don't you wait til he has actually FOUGHT a heavyweight hell I'd take you pumping up Odlainer Solis before Haye only because Solis has fought all his fights at heavyweight (and he KO'd Haye in the Olympics).
David Haye is going to beat your boy like a gong. Unless he gets knocked out first of course. :)
Re: Cowardly klitscho and Tony "The Kitten" Thompson make me sick!!! [spoilers]
Anyone getting the impression that Klitschko is sinking down to the level of his competitors?
While most of us expected a champion to blow out an inferior opponent, Klitschkos pyschological make up might mean that he regresses. The lack of fear and respect for his opponents talents may reduce his motivation and cause him to go through the motions and just do enough to win.
Re: Cowardly klitscho and Tony "The Kitten" Thompson make me sick!!! [spoilers]
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cpcompany
Anyone getting the impression that Klitschko is sinking down to the level of his competitors?
While most of us expected a champion to blow out an inferior opponent, Klitschkos pyschological make up might mean that he regresses. The lack of fear and respect for his opponents talents may reduce his motivation and cause him to go through the motions and just do enough to win.
I agree completely, that's one of my main problems with Klitschko, he fights at the pace and to the level of his opponent. That pretty much can't be denied imo.
