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Forget Donaire-Darchinyan II. It aint gonna happen. Fat fukk Shaw won't give fans what they want because of a personal thing hes got against Donaire. Vic is officially Nonito's little whore FOREVER... I can live with that ;D.
Now it's time to move on. We saw Donaire literaly knocked the bloody snot out of Darchinyan. Now I wanna see Rafa or Izzy knock Vic's head off.
I agree that Montiel-Darchi is the bigger fight since it's for all the belts and it will be considered a competitive fight and difficult to predict the outcome BUT saying Donaire-Darchi rematch doesn't make sense at this time is one I can't agree. The rematch always makes sense all the time or else as one poster here pointed out, Darchi will forever be known as Nonito's little bitch... We, Donaire supporters can live with that...Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
You need to understand that if there is a bigger & better fight available then the rematch has to be put on the back burner. I don't want to see Darchinyan/ Donaire 2 right now, I would prefer to see Darchinyan/ Montiel because imo it is the better fight between the 2 best fighters in the division with the real championship on the line. So no imo the rematch does not make sense at this time! It would be nice to see but there are just some fights throughout history where I would have liked to have seen a rematch but it never happened for one reason or another. This may or may not be one of them, we'll have to wait & see. But to me the more important fight (Darchinyan/ Donaire) need to be made before a rematch... that makes sense to me!Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerSince the time Donaire KO'ed Darchinyan cold, a Donaire-Darchinyan rematch fight always makes sense... There could be other sensible fights for each of them but their rematch always makes sense at any time... unless Donaire will say it doesn't make sense since the outcome will be the same, he will KO Darchinyan again...Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
We didn't claim Donaire is ahead of Darchinyan... Darchinyan made good progress beating named boxers after he got KO'ed cold by Donaire while Donaire was relatively inactive mainly due to managerial and promotional problems...
And you can't say Donaire has done nothing at 115 for he was the NABF super flyweight champ before he moved down to 112 to face Darchinyan...
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Plus if you think Donaire has achieved anywhere near what Darchinyan & Montiel have at 115 then I seriously would have to question your boxing knowledge! Capaturing the ABCD what ever the hell don't mean sh*t against the achievments of Montiel & Darchinyan who together have basically cleaned it out & the only obvious fight at 115 to be made is Darchinyan/ Montiel. I'm sorry but a Donaire rematch at this time is like compairing platinum to tin compared to Darchinyan/ Montiel!!!
I second what VD said about Donaire potentially being a flash in the pan. There is a huge risk that Martinez is gonna hand him his ass & then it may be an uphill battle for exposure from there!
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Regarding your statement that "Donaire has done nothing at 115", this one also I can't agree... Donaire has done something at 115, he was the former NABF 115 champion!! For whatever it's worth, it's still an accomplishment for a boxer and it cannot be just considered as nothing... Of course Montiel and Darchi has done more at 115 compared to Nonito, they are the current regular world champs...
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Your just contradicting yourself! If you say Darchinyan/ Montiel is the bigger fight then as a boxing fan would you want to see the bigger fight 1st? If you answer no then you might want to think about following another sport! The best fighting the best in the biggest fights is want I want to see!!! So logically Darchinyan/ Donaire 2 doesn't make sense at this time... after a Darchinyan/ Montiel fight sure... Donaire supporters can live with whatever they want if a rematch never happens... at the moment I see Darchinyans name on the P4P list not Donaires! Darchinyan has worked on his legacy since the KO loss, whereas Donaires may be going down the drain after the Martinez fight!Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerI agree that Montiel-Darchi is the bigger fight since it's for all the belts and it will be considered a competitive fight and difficult to predict the outcome BUT saying Donaire-Darchi rematch doesn't make sense at this time is one I can't agree. The rematch always makes sense all the time or else as one poster here pointed out, Darchi will forever be known as Nonito's little bitch... We, Donaire supporters can live with that...Quote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyYou need to understand that if there is a bigger & better fight available then the rematch has to be put on the back burner. I don't want to see Darchinyan/ Donaire 2 right now, I would prefer to see Darchinyan/ Montiel because imo it is the better fight between the 2 best fighters in the division with the real championship on the line. So no imo the rematch does not make sense at this time! It would be nice to see but there are just some fights throughout history where I would have liked to have seen a rematch but it never happened for one reason or another. This may or may not be one of them, we'll have to wait & see. But to me the more important fight (Darchinyan/ Donaire) need to be made before a rematch... that makes sense to me!Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
Plus if you think Donaire has achieved anywhere near what Darchinyan & Montiel have at 115 then I seriously would have to question your boxing knowledge! Capaturing the ABCD what ever the hell don't mean sh*t against the achievments of Montiel & Darchinyan who together have basically cleaned it out & the only obvious fight at 115 to be made is Darchinyan/ Montiel. I'm sorry but a Donaire rematch at this time is like compairing platinum to tin compared to Darchinyan/ Montiel!!!
I second what VD said about Donaire potentially being a flash in the pan. There is a huge risk that Martinez is gonna hand him his ass & then it may be an uphill battle for exposure from there!
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Regarding your statement that "Donaire has done nothing at 115", this one also I can't agree... Donaire has done something at 115, he was the former NABF 115 champion!! For whatever it's worth, it's still an accomplishment for a boxer and it cannot be just considered as nothing... Of course Montiel and Darchi has done more at 115 compared to Nonito, they are the current regular world champs...
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As for accomplishments at 115, winning an meaningless trinket does nothing to increase a case for a rematch before Darchinyan/ Montiel is made! But if your into following totally worthless belts I'm sure you'll be happy to hear Francis Botha had a similar worthless accomplishment winning a crap trinket recently!
All I say is Donaire-Montiel, Donaire-Darchi, Montiel-Darchi are all sensible fights, just don't say Donaire-Darchi does not make sense...Quote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyYour just contradicting yourself! If you say Darchinyan/ Montiel is the bigger fight then as a boxing fan would you want to see the bigger fight 1st? If you answer no then you might want to think about following another sport! The best fighting the best in the biggest fights is want I want to see!!! So logically Darchinyan/ Donaire 2 doesn't make sense at this time... after a Darchinyan/ Montiel fight sure... Donaire supporters can live with whatever they want if a rematch never happens... at the moment I see Darchinyans name on the P4P list not Donaires! Darchinyan has worked on his legacy since the KO loss, whereas Donaires may be going down the drain after the Martinez fight!Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerI agree that Montiel-Darchi is the bigger fight since it's for all the belts and it will be considered a competitive fight and difficult to predict the outcome BUT saying Donaire-Darchi rematch doesn't make sense at this time is one I can't agree. The rematch always makes sense all the time or else as one poster here pointed out, Darchi will forever be known as Nonito's little bitch... We, Donaire supporters can live with that...Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
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Regarding your statement that "Donaire has done nothing at 115", this one also I can't agree... Donaire has done something at 115, he was the former NABF 115 champion!! For whatever it's worth, it's still an accomplishment for a boxer and it cannot be just considered as nothing... Of course Montiel and Darchi has done more at 115 compared to Nonito, they are the current regular world champs...
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As for accomplishments at 115, winning an meaningless trinket does nothing to increase a case for a rematch before Darchinyan/ Montiel is made! But if your into following totally worthless belts I'm sure you'll be happy to hear Francis Botha had a similar worthless accomplishment winning a crap trinket recently!
Regarding accomplishments, it's clear Donaire made some at 115 and made tremendous accomplishment at 112 by trashing the once perceived indestructible force at 112 who is now widely known as Nonito's little whore...
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Why is that? Cuz he beat him? So technically that would make Donaire Rosendo Sanchez little biitch, right? Or little whore. Whatever you want to call it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerAll I say is Donaire-Montiel, Donaire-Darchi, Montiel-Darchi are all sensible fights, just don't say Donaire-Darchi does not make sense...Quote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyYour just contradicting yourself! If you say Darchinyan/ Montiel is the bigger fight then as a boxing fan would you want to see the bigger fight 1st? If you answer no then you might want to think about following another sport! The best fighting the best in the biggest fights is want I want to see!!! So logically Darchinyan/ Donaire 2 doesn't make sense at this time... after a Darchinyan/ Montiel fight sure... Donaire supporters can live with whatever they want if a rematch never happens... at the moment I see Darchinyans name on the P4P list not Donaires! Darchinyan has worked on his legacy since the KO loss, whereas Donaires may be going down the drain after the Martinez fight!Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
As for accomplishments at 115, winning an meaningless trinket does nothing to increase a case for a rematch before Darchinyan/ Montiel is made! But if your into following totally worthless belts I'm sure you'll be happy to hear Francis Botha had a similar worthless accomplishment winning a crap trinket recently!
Regarding accomplishments, it's clear Donaire made some at 115 and made tremendous accomplishment at 112 by trashing the once perceived indestructible force at 112 who is now widely known as Nonito's little whore...
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I'm saying Darchinyan/ Donaire doesn't make sense at the moment! How many times do I have to repeat myself? Its not that I don't think it should happen, it should... just not now. You said yourself Darchinyan/ Montiel is bigger so it makes sense to see that 1st then maybe we can have the rematch. Is that so hard to understand? A donaire rematch just does not make sense at the moment when the biggest fight at the weight is Darchinyan/ Montiel!!! That is a fact!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerAll I say is Donaire-Montiel, Donaire-Darchi, Montiel-Darchi are all sensible fights, just don't say Donaire-Darchi does not make sense...Quote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyYour just contradicting yourself! If you say Darchinyan/ Montiel is the bigger fight then as a boxing fan would you want to see the bigger fight 1st? If you answer no then you might want to think about following another sport! The best fighting the best in the biggest fights is want I want to see!!! So logically Darchinyan/ Donaire 2 doesn't make sense at this time... after a Darchinyan/ Montiel fight sure... Donaire supporters can live with whatever they want if a rematch never happens... at the moment I see Darchinyans name on the P4P list not Donaires! Darchinyan has worked on his legacy since the KO loss, whereas Donaires may be going down the drain after the Martinez fight!Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
As for accomplishments at 115, winning an meaningless trinket does nothing to increase a case for a rematch before Darchinyan/ Montiel is made! But if your into following totally worthless belts I'm sure you'll be happy to hear Francis Botha had a similar worthless accomplishment winning a crap trinket recently!
Regarding accomplishments, it's clear Donaire made some at 115 and made tremendous accomplishment at 112 by trashing the once perceived indestructible force at 112 who is now widely known as Nonito's little whore...
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I agree Donaire's ko was a great achievement but as you said it was at 112. He has done nothing at 115 to warrant getting a rematch before the biggest fight available is made!!! You said yourself that its the bigger fight so needs to be made 1st, the rematch has to wait... it makes sense to me!
I must be running in the wrong circles because I've never heard Darchinyan referred to as that! Maybe just a name Donaire huggers use!!!
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Originally Posted by GalaxyI'm saying Darchinyan/ Donaire doesn't make sense at the moment! How many times do I have to repeat myself? Its not that I don't think it should happen, it should... just not now. You said yourself Darchinyan/ Montiel is bigger so it makes sense to see that 1st then maybe we can have the rematch. Is that so hard to understand? A donaire rematch just does not make sense at the moment when the biggest fight at the weight is Darchinyan/ Montiel!!! That is a fact!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerAll I say is Donaire-Montiel, Donaire-Darchi, Montiel-Darchi are all sensible fights, just don't say Donaire-Darchi does not make sense...Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
Regarding accomplishments, it's clear Donaire made some at 115 and made tremendous accomplishment at 112 by trashing the once perceived indestructible force at 112 who is now widely known as Nonito's little whore...
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I agree Donaire's ko was a great achievement but as you said it was at 112. He has done nothing at 115 to warrant getting a rematch before the biggest fight available is made!!! You said yourself that its the bigger fight so needs to be made 1st, the rematch has to wait... it makes sense to me!
I must be running in the wrong circles because I've never heard Darchinyan referred to as that! Maybe just a name Donaire huggers use!!!
Yes Montiel-Darchi is big but don't be so high about that... It's reported Montiel has problems making 115 so the unification bout is in jeopardy... Also remember Montiel with TopRank, it's highly possible that any Montiel-Darchi negotiations could involve a Donaire option as a future fight, Darchi cannot avoid anymore a Donaire rematch... ;)
Regarding Nonito's little whore or bitch, just ask any avid boxing fan this question: "Who knock out Vic Darchinyan cold?" ... ;)
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I'm just trying to prove a point! You keep saying that a Donaire rematch makes sense but it doesn't compared to a possible Montiel fight! Understand?Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerQuote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyI'm saying Darchinyan/ Donaire doesn't make sense at the moment! How many times do I have to repeat myself? Its not that I don't think it should happen, it should... just not now. You said yourself Darchinyan/ Montiel is bigger so it makes sense to see that 1st then maybe we can have the rematch. Is that so hard to understand? A donaire rematch just does not make sense at the moment when the biggest fight at the weight is Darchinyan/ Montiel!!! That is a fact!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
I agree Donaire's ko was a great achievement but as you said it was at 112. He has done nothing at 115 to warrant getting a rematch before the biggest fight available is made!!! You said yourself that its the bigger fight so needs to be made 1st, the rematch has to wait... it makes sense to me!
I must be running in the wrong circles because I've never heard Darchinyan referred to as that! Maybe just a name Donaire huggers use!!!
Yes Montiel-Darchi is big but don't be so high about that... It's reported Montiel has problems making 115 so the unification bout is in jeopardy... Also remember Montiel with TopRank, it's highly possible that any Montiel-Darchi negotiations could involve a Donaire option as a future fight, Darchi cannot avoid anymore a Donaire rematch... ;)
Regarding Nonito's little whore or bitch, just ask any avid boxing fan this question: "Who knock out Vic Darchinyan cold?" ... ;)
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A Montiel fight may be in jeopardy but its more of a possiblilty than a Donaire rematch at this time. It just may be that Darchinyan doesn't need Donaire (as I said he's in the P4P whilst Donaires career has flounded). If after a Montiel fight is made & Darchinyan wins then a Donaire rematch can be talked about if he gets past Martinez. But Vic maybe looking at bigger fights & bigger names at higher weights e.g. Vasquez or Marquez!
Everyone knows Donaire ko'd Darchinyan no one is questioning that. But most boxing fans have more respect for guys that step between those ropes than to label them with derogatory names.
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Originally Posted by GalaxyI'm just trying to prove a point! You keep saying that a Donaire rematch makes sense but it doesn't compared to a possible Montiel fight! Understand?Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerQuote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
Yes Montiel-Darchi is big but don't be so high about that... It's reported Montiel has problems making 115 so the unification bout is in jeopardy... Also remember Montiel with TopRank, it's highly possible that any Montiel-Darchi negotiations could involve a Donaire option as a future fight, Darchi cannot avoid anymore a Donaire rematch... ;)
Regarding Nonito's little whore or bitch, just ask any avid boxing fan this question: "Who knock out Vic Darchinyan cold?" ... ;)
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A Montiel fight may be in jeopardy but its more of a possiblilty than a Donaire rematch at this time. It just may be that Darchinyan doesn't need Donaire (as I said he's in the P4P whilst Donaires career has flounded). If after a Montiel fight is made & Darchinyan wins then a Donaire rematch can be talked about if he gets past Martinez. But Vic maybe looking at bigger fights & bigger names at higher weights e.g. Vasquez or Marquez!
Everyone knows Donaire ko'd Darchinyan no one is questioning that. But most boxing fans have more respect for guys that step between those ropes than to label them with derogatory names.
Bro Galaxy, can you please stop using those exclamation points (!!!! too many of them already)... The topic here is "gary shaw acting like a baby!" It seems you're taking over Gary's place...
I'm done with this topic for now... I will leave it as it is...
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Man I love my exclamation points!!!Quote:
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Originally Posted by GalaxyI'm just trying to prove a point! You keep saying that a Donaire rematch makes sense but it doesn't compared to a possible Montiel fight! Understand?Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
A Montiel fight may be in jeopardy but its more of a possiblilty than a Donaire rematch at this time. It just may be that Darchinyan doesn't need Donaire (as I said he's in the P4P whilst Donaires career has flounded). If after a Montiel fight is made & Darchinyan wins then a Donaire rematch can be talked about if he gets past Martinez. But Vic maybe looking at bigger fights & bigger names at higher weights e.g. Vasquez or Marquez!
Everyone knows Donaire ko'd Darchinyan no one is questioning that. But most boxing fans have more respect for guys that step between those ropes than to label them with derogatory names.
Bro Galaxy, can you please stop using those exclamation points (!!!! too many of them already)... The topic here is "gary shaw acting like a baby!" It seems you're taking over Gary's place...
I'm done with this topic for now... I will leave it as it is...
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I don't see how I can be taking Shaws place when I'm just pointing out your own contradictions & stating facts!!!
Plus it was not me who used disrespectful names against a warrior of the ring! Most fans are able to debate & discuss in a mature way.
As you stated the topic is called 'Shaw acting like a baby' but huggers using terms like B*tch & whore are just childish...
Montiel/ Darchinyan is the fight I want to see as I'm sure most fans do, a Donaire rematch doesn't even come close
& if Martinez doesn't get robbed he's walking away a winner vs Nonito
That remains to be seen...Quote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyMan I love my exclamation points!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerQuote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
Bro Galaxy, can you please stop using those exclamation points (!!!! too many of them already)... The topic here is "gary shaw acting like a baby!" It seems you're taking over Gary's place...
I'm done with this topic for now... I will leave it as it is...
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I don't see how I can be taking Shaws place when I'm just pointing out your own contradictions & stating facts!!!
Plus it was not me who used disrespectful names against a warrior of the ring! Most fans are able to debate & discuss in a mature way.
As you stated the topic is called 'Shaw acting like a baby' but huggers using terms like B*tch & whore are just childish...
Montiel/ Darchinyan is the fight I want to see as I'm sure most fans do, a Donaire rematch doesn't even come close
& if Martinez doesn't get robbed he's walking away a winner vs Nonito
You can keep your exclamation points if you love it very much... ;)
Cheers Bro Galaxy Man... It's nice discussing with you...
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Thank you, I love them!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerThat remains to be seen...Quote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyMan I love my exclamation points!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
I don't see how I can be taking Shaws place when I'm just pointing out your own contradictions & stating facts!!!
Plus it was not me who used disrespectful names against a warrior of the ring! Most fans are able to debate & discuss in a mature way.
As you stated the topic is called 'Shaw acting like a baby' but huggers using terms like B*tch & whore are just childish...
Montiel/ Darchinyan is the fight I want to see as I'm sure most fans do, a Donaire rematch doesn't even come close
& if Martinez doesn't get robbed he's walking away a winner vs Nonito
You can keep your exclamation points if you love it very much... ;)
Cheers Bro Galaxy Man... It's nice discussing with you...
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If the fight wasn't in the Philippines I'd have a sig bet with you but I already seen Darchinyan get ripped off against Gorres so I'm a little untrusting.
Lets hope we get to see a Donaire rematch in the future because it would be ashame if it doesn't happen!
Funny how 2 judges haad the fight 38-38. Yeah that shows Nonito won every round.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
All u guys say Vic is ducking Nonito if he doesnt fight him again, well I guess that means that Pac ducked Singsurat after he got KTFO by him. Why didnt Manny push for the rematch?
Or is Donaire ducking Rosendo Sanchez cos he never rematched him? It is just a stupid theory really.
Has Hopkins ducked Jones for the whole later part of his career?
Did Kostya duck Vince Phillips?
Of course that is nonsense but it makes as much sense as all the Pacfans arguments, about Vic ducking Donaire! If a guy loses to another fighter but then goes on to beat better fighters, and has a much more succesful career then he wasnt ducking him he went in another direction.
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Coz he KTFO of him. It was a KO of the year winner. Vic Darchinyan got beaten fair and square. No weight issues, or any controversies. Gary Shaw shitted on himself when he saw that left hook landed. He knew he fukked up. His main man is down. Is Donaire a one-hit wonder? a flash in the pan? Maybe. Could be. Unless he proves himself to the world that he's top notch. Does Darchinyan needs to avenge his humiliating loss? Yes. almost every great fighter did so. When they are humbled by a loss, they can't wait for payback time. Lennox Lewis after getting KTFO by Rahman did revenge in a more devastating fashion. Roy Jones in his prime after being disqualified against Griffin wanted vindication and guess what it took him a round to do so. Izzy against Rafa. and the list goes on..They all like the taste of vengeance. as of being Donaire's biitch..yeah I think he still is unless he avenge his KO loss and shadows his humiliating loss. Hell Im a big Erik Morales fan and until now I still brag to my buddies about his win against Pac when they first fought. I know he got his as*s steamrolled twice but I just can't get over it. That was sweet..So regardin these Donaire hugger,we can't really blame them if they act like a*ssholes. Talk the talk. walk the walk. they got all the rights.
For the record.. I think Darchinyan/ Montiel would be awesome. I was actually expecting Donaire to be Montiel's next opponent but I can live with that.Btw Montiel beats both of them IMO.
I know what Donaire did to Darchinyan. Good for him. But that happened almost 2 years ago. What's he going to do? Live off that for the rest of his career? He ain't done shiit since. And it's his own fault. When he was with Shaw he got 2 title fights on ShowTime in a 4 months span. Since he left Shaw he's fought one time in a year. Against a mediocre opponent that wasn't televised on HBO or ShowTime. It wasn't even on ESPN or Versus. His next fight as of right now isn't set to be telivised either. Is this the type of exposure he wanted?Quote:
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Coz he KTFO of him. It was a KO of the year winner. Vic Darchinyan got beaten fair and square. No weight issues, or any controversies. Gary Shaw shitted on himself when he saw that left hook landed. He knew he fukked up. His main man is down. Is Donaire a one-hit wonder? a flash in the pan? Maybe. Could be. Unless he proves himself to the world that he's top notch. Does Darchinyan needs to avenge his humiliating loss? Yes. almost every great fighter did so. When they are humbled by a loss, they can't wait for payback time. Lennox Lewis after getting KTFO by Rahman did revenge in a more devastating fashion. Roy Jones in his prime after being disqualified against Griffin wanted vindication and guess what it took him a round to do so. Izzy against Rafa. and the list goes on..They all like the taste of vengeance. as of being Donaire's biitch..yeah I think he still is unless he avenge his KO loss and shadows his humiliating loss. Hell Im a big Erik Morales fan and until now I still brag to my buddies about his win against Pac when they first fought. I know he got his as*s steamrolled twice but I just can't get over it. That was sweet..So regardin these Donaire hugger,we can't really blame them if they act like a*ssholes. Talk the talk. walk the walk. they got all the rights.
For the record.. I think Darchinyan/ Montiel would be awesome. I was actually expecting Donaire to be Montiel's next opponent but I can live with that.Btw Montiel beats both of them IMO.