Gatti's death ruled a suicide; wife has been released

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Originally Posted by J_Undisputed

A few things strike me about the picture.

1- If you were going to hang yourself from the stair case.. Why not just climb the stairs set of the strap and hop over the railing?

2. its apparent that there was a fall of some type, assuming the body has not been tampered with. The position of the right arm is an unnatural position. its typical of an arm that was trying to break a fall. Had he been choked on the floor. His hand would be palm side down either bracing itself against to floor to relieve the tension on the throat caused by an upward choke againts gravitys effect on the body. Or if it had gone limp while reaching for the strap (also to counter the leverage being applied by the strap.

So for a possibility. consider this: Arturo Gatti is pretty shitfaced and walking around the house after returning in the cab with the baby (i think the reports said). He puts the kid to bed and is probably either looking for another drink or staggering around feeling the effects of the first few.... He sits on the stool by the staircase maybe even leans back... perhaps drifting in an out of conciousness. (we've all been there). At which point the brazilian june cleaver comes home, still stewing about the fight at the club. She sees him sitting there and goes to find a strap or strangling agent and comes back. Shes on the staircase and slips it over his neck and reels back, bracing her foot against the bannister for support. Her reeling back once or twice, pulls the back of arturos head toward the staircase with enough force that it hits corner of a stair or a mounting bracket (perhaps even the bottom of the bannister) that it causes the stab or stab like wounds. Arturos in his already weakened state is no match for the leverage she has with her the force of her legs back and shoulders pushing off the bannister. (if the stool was concievably tall enough which it might be from the pic.. he couldn't even secure any footing as his feet werent completely reaching the floor. Eventually he stops struggling and she releases one end of the purse strap and he falls to the floor. she staggers off and sleeps it off. comes back later to the full realization of what she did..

-She didnt have to be strong enough to suspend his body as had already done it when he perched himself on the stool. She just applied leverage not for lifting but just in pinning him there. Its a lot easier to lock and hold a weight in a certain position than to lift it there.
- I freeze framed the video, there are no marks on her hands (concievable from the purse straps) but then again .. not as much would be needed. the strap was thick enough that it wouldnt cut into her hands. the skin on the hands is also a lot tougher than the rest of the body and takes more to bruise, puncture or abrase. The material of the strap in the video also seems to have a padded part to it which could have been used. Couple that the time she spent in custody could have allowed any marks to heal.

Just a theory running through my head... Run with it if you like.

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Thank you Grissom :o Here's some rep for that. Pretty good theory and practical.

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Originally Posted by Majesty

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by Diane

Yes, that is the video, I was just went to Danny's account on another forum, because I figured he would have posted it, and I got the link, came here, and you already posted it. ;)

Here is a still shot of the scene, in case you need to look at it better.

Warning spoiler contains an image of Gatti dead

http://i27.tinypic.com/2q9yv4m.jpg

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's blood. And like we both said, how could she not know something was wrong by the way he was laying there.

As far as the stool, if it was standing up, and we couldn't see it, that makes me question it even more only because, if he really was that drunk, one - could he really even stand on a small stool, two - there's no way it wouldn't have been knock over IMO. Being that he was supposedly drunk as hell, and if someone is trying to kill themself, would they gently push a stool back so that it doesn't get knock over?

Where is the purse strap? They said he was suspended probably for about 3 hours. Did it break, and that's why he fell? Is so, why isn't in on the stairs still. I don't see it around his neck, or on the floor either.

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Assuming he did commit suicide - the stool must be out of the picture. It was either knocked forward or backwards. Otherwise where is it? It's not the one standing up under the stairs because the demo showed that one already there.

They said he drank 2 bottles of wine with his meal (assume that was shared with his wife) and 7 cans of beer. He couldn't have been paralytic drunk, to the point where he couldn't stand on a stool, because he had a fight with her outside before getting a cab home.

The purse strap must have broken from the stair bannister, so would still be around his neck.. this is the bit I don't get from the picture. The purse strap and the blood?

Where do you think the blood is? There are two dark lines running from underneath his body, one from his neck area, the other from his belly going under his arm/elbow area. Do you think that is blood?

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alcohol poisoning perhaps? wouldnt be surprised if a story like that comes up as well, it changes every week. But its terrible all around

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For a man of his stature, who is known to often socially drink, that is no way near enough for alcohol poisoning.

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Originally Posted by J_Undisputed

A few things strike me about the picture.

1- If you were going to hang yourself from the stair case.. Why not just climb the stairs set of the strap and hop over the railing?

2. its apparent that there was a fall of some type, assuming the body has not been tampered with. The position of the right arm is an unnatural position. its typical of an arm that was trying to break a fall. Had he been choked on the floor. His hand would be palm side down either bracing itself against to floor to relieve the tension on the throat caused by an upward choke againts gravitys effect on the body. Or if it had gone limp while reaching for the strap (also to counter the leverage being applied by the strap.

So for a possibility. consider this: Arturo Gatti is pretty shitfaced and walking around the house after returning in the cab with the baby (i think the reports said). He puts the kid to bed and is probably either looking for another drink or staggering around feeling the effects of the first few.... He sits on the stool by the staircase maybe even leans back... perhaps drifting in an out of conciousness. (we've all been there). At which point the brazilian june cleaver comes home, still stewing about the fight at the club. She sees him sitting there and goes to find a strap or strangling agent and comes back. Shes on the staircase and slips it over his neck and reels back, bracing her foot against the bannister for support. Her reeling back once or twice, pulls the back of arturos head toward the staircase with enough force that it hits corner of a stair or a mounting bracket (perhaps even the bottom of the bannister) that it causes the stab or stab like wounds. Arturos in his already weakened state is no match for the leverage she has with her the force of her legs back and shoulders pushing off the bannister. (if the stool was concievably tall enough which it might be from the pic.. he couldn't even secure any footing as his feet werent completely reaching the floor. Eventually he stops struggling and she releases one end of the purse strap and he falls to the floor. she staggers off and sleeps it off. comes back later to the full realization of what she did..

-She didnt have to be strong enough to suspend his body as had already done it when he perched himself on the stool. She just applied leverage not for lifting but just in pinning him there. Its a lot easier to lock and hold a weight in a certain position than to lift it there.
- I freeze framed the video, there are no marks on her hands (concievable from the purse straps) but then again .. not as much would be needed. the strap was thick enough that it wouldnt cut into her hands. the skin on the hands is also a lot tougher than the rest of the body and takes more to bruise, puncture or abrase. The material of the strap in the video also seems to have a padded part to it which could have been used. Couple that the time she spent in custody could have allowed any marks to heal.

Just a theory running through my head... Run with it if you like.

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I too thought it looked like he could have been strangled by someone using the bannister as leverage.

The police said the head wounds happened in the fight earlier. Apparently he fought a security guard and a few other people coming to her aid.

I have added a spoiler option to the forum because i think it was needed for that image. as i found it sad to see Gatti like that :(

anyways you can all use the spoiler feature in the future by clicking

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...es/spoiler.gif

giving it a title and putting the content inbetween the tags like below.

do not look....

nosey cunts ;D

Thats quite impressive ;D

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Originally Posted by Saddo

I have added a spoiler option to the forum because i think it was needed for that image. as i found it sad to see Gatti like that :(

anyways you can all use the spoiler feature in the future by clicking

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...es/spoiler.gif

giving it a title and putting the content inbetween the tags like below.

do not look....

nosey cunts ;D

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Thank you!

I didn't use the image option, and I didn't know it would show a thumbnail if I just posted a link. I didn't want it to show either.

The original page I posted was taken down unfortunately.

yeah it was the forum auto embeding it ;)

Here's a really good article that gives a lot more background details about their marriage.

Just reading her comments pisses me off, and I hope the family keeps pressing for answers.

The article is 5 pages long, so make sure that you read all of it.


Family & friends in heated battle to prove Arturo Gatti did not kill himself

That lawyer in Receife has got it right... sure he said "To think she would kill her husband just for money, we're talking fiction here!"...but he also said "We're in the third world, but not that much different from you." yeah exactly right pal, and people get killed here in the United States for far less than what she stood to gain!!!

They should go ahead and extridite her, her story is bogus, her motive is solid, and she has 0 alibi!!! "When I saw Arturo on the floor at 6 A.M. I thought he was drunk, I was still mad at him".....oh really?!?! Mad enough to not notice blood or that he was laying down so awkwardly that had he been as drunk as described that he could have died from suffocation on his own vomit...HAD he been that drunk of course. And then she says she "Went into shock"...she went into shock when the husband she was pissed off at turned out to be dead, I'm sure it was a shock like winning the lottery :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Lyle

That lawyer in Receife has got it right... sure he said "To think she would kill her husband just for money, we're talking fiction here!"...but he also said "We're in the third world, but not that much different from you." yeah exactly right pal, and people get killed here in the United States for far less than what she stood to gain!!!

They should go ahead and extridite her, her story is bogus, her motive is solid, and she has 0 alibi!!! "When I saw Arturo on the floor at 6 A.M. I thought he was drunk, I was still mad at him".....oh really?!?! Mad enough to not notice blood or that he was laying down so awkwardly that had he been as drunk as described that he could have died from suffocation on his own vomit...HAD he been that drunk of course. And then she says she "Went into shock"...she went into shock when the husband she was pissed off at turned out to be dead, I'm sure it was a shock like winning the lottery :rolleyes:

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There's nothing suspicious about the way he's lying. He looks exactly how you would expect a passed out drunk to look.

Where is all the blood?

If there's lots of blood around his head then obviously her story is dodgy. How can you explain not seeing/ignoring that?

...I've never seen any drunks fall asleep/pass out in that position. And something is on the floor, maybe it's wine, but either way it's suspicious

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Originally Posted by Lyle

...I've never seen any drunks fall asleep/pass out in that position. And something is on the floor, maybe it's wine, but either way it's suspicious

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yes normally im on my back like a starfish!!!

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Originally Posted by Lyle

...I've never seen any drunks fall asleep/pass out in that position. And something is on the floor, maybe it's wine, but either way it's suspicious

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He is basically in the recovery position. He looks like he is sleeping. What is suspect about that?

I've seen millions of drunks lying in all sorts of positions. There is nothing remotely dodgy about the way he is lying unless there is blood all over the shop.

If those stains are blood surely someone would have mentioned them by now? That's what I don't get. Her story is complete shit IF those stains are blood.

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Originally Posted by amat

Certainly shocking but once the coroner report came out things got interesting. If it is true (which I have no reason to doubt), then that is very sad for his wife who obviously has been going through a lot.

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Amat, it sounds like she is your next door neighbor. ;D

Here's a letter the wife just wrote to a newspaper.

Amanda Rodrigues's side of the Arturo Gatti story