Should Manny Pac go ahead with the blood test?

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Originally Posted by Intazzz

Yes. He should take the test AFTER the fight and not before the fight.

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This is the problem here, let me make it plain to you. There are PEDs that are out of the range of detection within a couple of days, BUT still have the effects that last weeks. So it is possible for him to use said materials, but it would be undetectable after the fight.

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a post fight screen is not conclusive. The schedule Arum and Roach are asking for make it actually incredibly easy to cycle around the required blood sample dates and the urinalysis will not detect it.

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Originally Posted by Grinch

I voted no.

Pacquiao should be allowed to take the tests as he requested;
right after the initial Press Conference & the immediately after the fight.


Please tell me how or why this would be unacceptable?

Anyway, wouldn't it be better to test this way? If Manny or Floyd wanted to cheat, they could do it 29 days before the fight. Allegedly, Aaron Pryor did it 3 minutes before the end of one of his fights :-\

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haven't read what the other people who vote no have said but

this is one of the most stupid fucking posts i have ever read...

plain and simple, if he has nothing to hide, why say no? Its not like floyd is asking him to do something he isnt....

take Bolt, the were drug testing him on an almost daillys basis, had zero affect on what he done as his smashed every record by a MILE

so pac has no excuse what so ever

and lets be honest, him and his team have done everything the can to get a fight on their tearms, making Cotto the CHAMPION fight at a catchweight...

he either has something to hide or is looking for an excuse not to face floyd.

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by Intazzz

Yes. He should take the test AFTER the fight and not before the fight.

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This is the problem here, let me make it plain to you. There are PEDs that are out of the range of detection within a couple of days, BUT still have the effects that last weeks. So it is possible for him to use said materials, but it would be undetectable after the fight.

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a post fight screen is not conclusive. The schedule Arum and Roach are asking for make it actually incredibly easy to cycle around the required blood sample dates and the urinalysis will not detect it.

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Give me the fact for that? Are you sure? Call Mythbuster.

They can test him right away after the fight. Once they announce the winner in the ring then start taking the blood test. What is the different? This debate is pointless. Before and after the fight is the same. What do you think on Pac pee the blood so that they can't detect it. Right away after the fight and right away before the fight is the same. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Intazzz

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by Intazzz

Yes. He should take the test AFTER the fight and not before the fight.

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This is the problem here, let me make it plain to you. There are PEDs that are out of the range of detection within a couple of days, BUT still have the effects that last weeks. So it is possible for him to use said materials, but it would be undetectable after the fight.

THEREFORE

a post fight screen is not conclusive. The schedule Arum and Roach are asking for make it actually incredibly easy to cycle around the required blood sample dates and the urinalysis will not detect it.

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Give me the fact for that? Are you sure? Call Mythbuster.

They can test him right away after the fight. Once they announce the winner in the ring then start taking the blood test. What is the different? This debate is pointless. Before and after the fight is the same. What do you think on Pac pee the blood so that they can't detect it. Right away after the fight and right away before the fight is the same. :rolleyes:

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Who said anything about testing right before the fight? They want it in the 30 days before the fight, randomly, when any drug usage would be going on. Right after the fight and the drugs will be out the system or at least masked while he would have benefitted from the drug during the fight. Even if he's tested a few days before the fight, so what? The blood lost will be regained with 24-48 hours. The bottom line is by risking the biggest payday of his career because he doesn't want to lose a bit of blood suspicions are being raised. And almost any other fighter that Pac could fight instead will ask for the same drug testing. If they're going to test him right before he gets in the ring, then fair enough, reject that, but to my knowledge that isn't what they're asking for

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Originally Posted by Intazzz

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by Intazzz

Yes. He should take the test AFTER the fight and not before the fight.

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This is the problem here, let me make it plain to you. There are PEDs that are out of the range of detection within a couple of days, BUT still have the effects that last weeks. So it is possible for him to use said materials, but it would be undetectable after the fight.

THEREFORE

a post fight screen is not conclusive. The schedule Arum and Roach are asking for make it actually incredibly easy to cycle around the required blood sample dates and the urinalysis will not detect it.

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Give me the fact for that? Are you sure? Call Mythbuster.

They can test him right away after the fight. Once they announce the winner in the ring then start taking the blood test. What is the different? This debate is pointless. Before and after the fight is the same. What do you think on Pac pee the blood so that they can't detect it. Right away after the fight and right away before the fight is the same. :rolleyes:

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If it is no different then why not accept the terms as is? I can appreciate your die hard fanaticism over Pacquiao, but the science is there before or after the fight there IS a difference it would be incredibly easy to mask them after the fight.

I will repeat this ad nauseum into it is proven untrue

"Pacquiao is backing out of the fight because of a drug test."

Taking a drug test when it is easiest to avoid nullifies the point of the test.

Agree with what preme said earlier up on the thread

This entire argument is dumbfounded. If Manny has absoloutely nothing to hide he wont object to testing no more than floyd will object to having roach in his locker room when he is being laced up.

Yes blood samples so soon before a fight can be a negative influence for a fighter. But its the same for both of them and any aspects of this situation manny would lose out on floyd will the same.

Just strikes me as amazing that the biggest fight of the last 10 years can be put together and then completely thrown off course by something like this. Get it sorted guys!

Just respect both camp and fight. Damn I want this fight to happen. I don't care anymore about this drug thing. I'm not an expert. I hope the fight happens. If ever Pacquiao agree. I hope everyone is included to this Blood drug test.

I means EVERYONE. All the Boxer's, trainers, Cut man, etc. I mean ALL! All boxing event must subjected to Random blood drug test not just Manny Pacquiao. I hope Pacquiao agree and all must be subjected to blood test including the Mayweather's Sr, Roger, Cut man etc.

I bet Mayweather's Sr. and Roger is using drugs or something and must be subjected to be tested too.! ;D

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Originally Posted by Intazzz

Just respect both camp and fight. Damn I want this fight to happen. I don't care anymore about this drug thing. I'm not an expert. I hope the fight happens. If ever Pacquiao agree. I hope everyone is included to this Blood drug test.

I means EVERYONE. All the Boxer's, trainers, Cut man, etc. I mean ALL! All boxing event must subjected to Random blood drug test not just Manny Pacquiao. I hope Pacquiao agree and all must be subjected to blood test including the Mayweather's Sr, Roger, Cut man etc.

I bet Mayweather's Sr. and Roger is using drugs or something and must be subjected to be tested too.! ;D

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Why should all of boxing be included in this? (not that I would be against it mind you) This is a private contract on the table to make this fight happen you don't need all of boxing to submit to the tests just Mayweather and Pacquiao. It's simple if Pacquiao submits to a legit drug screen the fight happens, this fight happening is all up to him now.

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by Intazzz

Just respect both camp and fight. Damn I want this fight to happen. I don't care anymore about this drug thing. I'm not an expert. I hope the fight happens. If ever Pacquiao agree. I hope everyone is included to this Blood drug test.

I means EVERYONE. All the Boxer's, trainers, Cut man, etc. I mean ALL! All boxing event must subjected to Random blood drug test not just Manny Pacquiao. I hope Pacquiao agree and all must be subjected to blood test including the Mayweather's Sr, Roger, Cut man etc.

I bet Mayweather's Sr. and Roger is using drugs or something and must be subjected to be tested too.! ;D

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Why should all of boxing be included in this? (not that I would be against it mind you) This is a private contract on the table to make this fight happen you don't need all of boxing to submit to the tests just Mayweather and Pacquiao. It's simple if Pacquiao submits to a legit drug screen the fight happens, this fight happening is all up to him now.

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This mean your leaning something. ;D

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Originally Posted by Intazzz

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by Intazzz

Just respect both camp and fight. Damn I want this fight to happen. I don't care anymore about this drug thing. I'm not an expert. I hope the fight happens. If ever Pacquiao agree. I hope everyone is included to this Blood drug test.

I means EVERYONE. All the Boxer's, trainers, Cut man, etc. I mean ALL! All boxing event must subjected to Random blood drug test not just Manny Pacquiao. I hope Pacquiao agree and all must be subjected to blood test including the Mayweather's Sr, Roger, Cut man etc.

I bet Mayweather's Sr. and Roger is using drugs or something and must be subjected to be tested too.! ;D

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Why should all of boxing be included in this? (not that I would be against it mind you) This is a private contract on the table to make this fight happen you don't need all of boxing to submit to the tests just Mayweather and Pacquiao. It's simple if Pacquiao submits to a legit drug screen the fight happens, this fight happening is all up to him now.

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This mean your leaning something. ;D

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You're making less sense now, what are you talking about? My point has been the same this whole time

"This fight is not going to happen because PAC is refusing a drug test"
still a true statement.

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Originally Posted by Bomp

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Originally Posted by Bomp

Why shouldn't there be question marks over every great fighter in history then? Why aren't we questioning the wins of Hopkins who gained 15 lbs in 6 months or Roy who gained god knows how much for Ruiz, or the known cheats in Holy Mosley and Toney?

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Because Pac (a fighter who has already been subject to steroid claims) has been asked to take the more conclusive tests, and is refusing. This fight is also at the pinnacle of their careers, money, everything. Don't say that people like Mosley just got away with juicing. His reputation will always be tarnished by it. Despite that he was only recorded to be on them for a couple fights.

If Pac refuses to be tested for this fight, potentially the largest money-maker in history, it's more than suspicious. He has already been the target of steroid allegations and he knows it. Even his team (including his loudmouth trainer) can't come up with anything better than "he doesn't like blood tests", "blood tests don't affect him well... mentally", "Floyd is just bullying"..... CMON take the stupid test and lets see a fair fight.

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That's the gripe I have, what exactly are the basis of these claims? The mutterings of an idiot in Floyd Senior and Malignaggis pseudo science on the radio(cause he talked to some meatheads in the gym), NOT a fucking shred of evidence/paper trail/dodgy connections to Balco. Defend Pac on this and you're labelled an apologist, yet u defend Mosley with this 'only for couple fights ' bollocks, how exactly does he get a free ride over the rest of his career when his steroid taking isn't in doubt?

Wether we like it or not our favourite sport has the same 'do what u like just don't get caught' attitude that American Football and baseball has, and like them it's likeley that a significant (majority even!)% of the elite are on something stronger than lucozade. Athletics has the most stringent tests in sport yet is still ripe with juicing, do you not think that in a sport where loading gloves and headbutting are used to gain an advantage that PED's aren't probably the norm?

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I know that's kind of funny. People tend to defend the fighters they like and try to castrate the fighters they don't like. Anyone brings up Mosley, Holyfield, Roy Jones, James Toney, juicing there are apologists about, "well it's just a few fights." bullshit. All of them deserves the same scrutiny and criticism imo.

Holyfield is my favorite HW of the modern era, but I have some serious misgivings about his victories over Tyson. And I'm not going to be an apologist about it. It makes me wonder if he fought Tyson fair and clean, in fact I've been wondering about it for years now, ever since the whole Evan Fields debacle came to light a few years back.

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Originally Posted by Intazzz

Yes. He should take the test AFTER the fight and not before the fight.

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I'm sorry, but this makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. The tests are taken to prevent a cheater from competing. If Pacquiao is taking any banned substances then he shouldn't even be allowed in a ring for a while, let alone that night.

Taking it after the fight serves no purpose as Mayweather would still have to be in the ring with a potentially juiced up opponent. You don't feel that's a dangerous thing to do?

I am not convinced about all this until I hear something from Pac regarding all this, probably just getting a big buzz regarding all this steroid shit. Hell I even saw on yahoo it was on the main page, boxing is never on the main front.

This controversy is getting drawn into mainstream media even more so and will obliterate previous records. Mark my words the fight will go on and with force.

The tattoo remarks is not the same either. I hate getting blood drawn but am loaded with tattoos. I am not to the point where I will pass out getting blood drawn or anything, but I'd rather get a tattoo any day over getting blood drawn or a vaccine. That being said Pac still has to buck up and take the damn tests or suffer the consequences of not. His career will be questioned forever and rightfully so.

After Pac pass the blood test. The Mayweathers will still not be satisfied. They're gonna demand for CSI/SOCO test style. I would'nt be surprise if team mayweather will ask for Pac's hair folicle... or cum test for extensive search of drug in his system.

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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

After Pac pass the blood test. The Mayweathers will still not be satisfied. They're gonna demand for CSI/SOCO test style. I would'nt be surprise if team mayweather will ask for Pac's hair folicle... or cum test for extensive search of drug in his system.

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Don't be silly. This is as far as it will go, and you can't really question the validity of a blood test considering the ineffectiveness of only using urine samples. It will be good for the sport to have more rigorous testing. If there are ways of removing all doubt in boxing, then that is the way to go.

Maybe the Pac camp will reconsider when they come to realise that the boxing world now expects him to go ahead with the test. It will also be difficult for him to find a credible opponent without the testing now as others are likely to request the same thing from him. Better to just get it done now because this has blown into something that it really didn't need to.