Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
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killersheep
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Jimboogie
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killersheep
Dirrell was not falling all over the place this fight, Abraham was being the biitch in there calling low blow and trying to jump in with head butts. The only times Dirrell hit the canvas was when:
A. He got knocked down, and yes it was a legit knockdown.
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B. When he slipped in Abraham's corner.
I know macmagician wrote earlier it's a boy cried wolf type thing, which I can certainly understand. But in THIS fight he wasn't falling all over the place.
Actually he sort of did... Dirrell fell over trying to hang on to Abraham at some point late in the fight... I think that is the ungainly sight HTH was referring to.
Didn't he do that against Froch as well?
Are you talking about when their feet got tangled? Also, I put extra emphasis on the THIS fight. Hence the whole boy who cried wolf statement. In the Froch fight he was definately floppin around like a fish out of water.
No, I'm talking about when they fell over because Dirrell was trying to grab hold of Abraham who immediately backed to afford himself some room which then proceeded to bring Dirrell down to the floor in a bit of a mess simply because Dirrell refused to let go :p
Sorry KS, but lets have it right ;)
Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
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Jimboogie
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killersheep
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Jimboogie
Actually he sort of did... Dirrell fell over trying to hang on to Abraham at some point late in the fight... I think that is the ungainly sight HTH was referring to.
Didn't he do that against Froch as well?
Are you talking about when their feet got tangled? Also, I put extra emphasis on the THIS fight. Hence the whole boy who cried wolf statement. In the Froch fight he was definately floppin around like a fish out of water.
No, I'm talking about when they fell over because Dirrell was trying to grab hold of Abraham who immediately backed to afford himself some room which then proceeded to bring Dirrell down to the floor in a bit of a mess simply because Dirrell refused to let go :p
Sorry KS, but lets have it right ;)
That's a far cry from "if your going to fall over like a little bitch at every opportunity" which is the original quote, I mean if we're going to have it right.
Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
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killersheep
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Jimboogie
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killersheep
Are you talking about when their feet got tangled? Also, I put extra emphasis on the THIS fight. Hence the whole boy who cried wolf statement. In the Froch fight he was definately floppin around like a fish out of water.
No, I'm talking about when they fell over because Dirrell was trying to grab hold of Abraham who immediately backed to afford himself some room which then proceeded to bring Dirrell down to the floor in a bit of a mess simply because Dirrell refused to let go :p
Sorry KS, but lets have it right ;)
That's a far cry from "if your going to fall over like a little bitch at every opportunity" which is the original quote, I mean if we're going to have it right.
What? Hang on?
First you say that he didn't fall over at all... Then you say he did fall over but only cause their feet got tangled, which is wrong... Which I rightly corrected, so then you try using my principles against me because I'm right? ;D
Fine. Be like that :p
Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
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Jimboogie
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killersheep
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Jimboogie
No, I'm talking about when they fell over because Dirrell was trying to grab hold of Abraham who immediately backed to afford himself some room which then proceeded to bring Dirrell down to the floor in a bit of a mess simply because Dirrell refused to let go :p
Sorry KS, but lets have it right ;)
That's a far cry from "if your going to fall over like a little bitch at every opportunity" which is the original quote, I mean if we're going to have it right.
What? Hang on?
First you say that he didn't fall over at all... Then you say he
did fall over but only cause their feet got tangled, which is wrong... Which I rightly corrected, so then you try using my principles against me because I'm right? ;D
Fine. Be like that :p
this is turning into the whole Pacquiao/Mayweather drug test issue, the fight ended cause Abraham threw and landed an illegal blow, forcing the DQ, end of story
Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
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killersheep
That was a pretty clear cut DQ IMO. I mean he paused made sure Dirrell was down and then hit him.
Cole did miss a knockdown from each fighter. But the DQ was the correct call.
I said from day one abraham in america against dirrell = abraham not being in his comfort zone where he can stand in the middle of the ring for 5rounds peekaboo stanced and work his opponent out before an onslaught. Dirrell would of been told from the world go you gotta be throwing leather and forcing abraham into opening up.
Gameplan was perfect. Had dirrell of just got up and carried on through 12 almost everyone would now be praising him for a vintage performance. Instead he decided to tarnish the whole evening by playing dead and then pretending he had no idea where he was
Nobody came out looking good from saturday night. Abraham deserves a heavy fine for a sickening late punch, gary shaw deserves a fine for bad mouthing abraham in the post fight interview, dirrell just comes across as a complete clown with average acting ability
Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
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Jimboogie
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killersheep
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Jimboogie
No, I'm talking about when they fell over because Dirrell was trying to grab hold of Abraham who immediately backed to afford himself some room which then proceeded to bring Dirrell down to the floor in a bit of a mess simply because Dirrell refused to let go :p
Sorry KS, but lets have it right ;)
That's a far cry from "if your going to fall over like a little bitch at every opportunity" which is the original quote, I mean if we're going to have it right.
What? Hang on?
First you say that he didn't fall over at all... Then you say he
did fall over but only cause their feet got tangled, which is wrong... Which I rightly corrected, so then you try using my principles against me because I'm right? ;D
Fine. Be like that :p
It's like this..........I did say he fell over twice, I had forgotten about the grapple fall.......hence the question.....is this what you were talking about. The crux of my argument remains the same that he wasn't falling over like a biitch at every opportunity. His during fight antics were nothing compared to how he fought Froch. If it makes you feel better to be right you go right ahead. So three falls then, one where he was trying to grab, one knockdown and one slip. Are you happy now? When it's all said and done you have still done nothing but duck me which is probably why your argument smells like fear............;D
Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
Clear DQ, Dirrell was clearly sitting on his ass after the slip/fall...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KceqVTs6Eyg
Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
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ElTerribleMorales
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Jimboogie
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killersheep
That's a far cry from "if your going to fall over like a little bitch at every opportunity" which is the original quote, I mean if we're going to have it right.
What? Hang on?
First you say that he didn't fall over at all... Then you say he
did fall over but only cause their feet got tangled, which is wrong... Which I rightly corrected, so then you try using my principles against me because I'm right? ;D
Fine. Be like that :p
this is turning into the whole Pacquiao/Mayweather drug test issue, the fight ended cause Abraham threw and landed an illegal blow, forcing the DQ, end of story
Relax. I was joshing with him. What's it got to do with you :cwm13:
Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
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hattonthehammer
I said from day one abraham in america against dirrell = abraham not being in his comfort zone where he can stand in the middle of the ring for 5rounds peekaboo stanced and work his opponent out before an onslaught. Dirrell would of been told from the world go you gotta be throwing leather and forcing abraham into opening up.
Gameplan was perfect. Had dirrell of just got up and carried on through 12 almost everyone would now be praising him for a vintage performance. Instead he decided to tarnish the whole evening by playing dead and then pretending he had no idea where he was
Nobody came out looking good from saturday night. Abraham deserves a heavy fine for a sickening late punch, gary shaw deserves a fine for bad mouthing abraham in the post fight interview, dirrell just comes across as a complete clown with average acting ability
Man...pigs must be flying outside...I agree with everything HTH just said...
Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
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killersheep
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Jimboogie
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killersheep
That's a far cry from "if your going to fall over like a little bitch at every opportunity" which is the original quote, I mean if we're going to have it right.
What? Hang on?
First you say that he didn't fall over at all... Then you say he
did fall over but only cause their feet got tangled, which is wrong... Which I rightly corrected, so then you try using my principles against me because I'm right? ;D
Fine. Be like that :p
It's like this..........I did say he fell over twice, I had forgotten about the grapple fall.......hence the question.....is this what you were talking about. The crux of my argument remains the same that he wasn't falling over like a biitch at every opportunity. His during fight antics were nothing compared to how he fought Froch. If it makes you feel better to be right you go right ahead. So three falls then, one where he was trying to grab, one knockdown and one slip. Are you happy now? When it's all said and done you have still done nothing but duck me which is probably why your argument smells like fear............;D
OH ITS ON NOW!!!!! :mad:
YOU WILL SOON BE CLOSE... TO PARTS UNKNOWN :mad: :mad:
Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
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Jimboogie
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Originally Posted by
killersheep
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Jimboogie
What? Hang on?
First you say that he didn't fall over at all... Then you say he did fall over but only cause their feet got tangled, which is wrong... Which I rightly corrected, so then you try using my principles against me because I'm right? ;D
Fine. Be like that :p
It's like this..........I did say he fell over twice, I had forgotten about the grapple fall.......hence the question.....is this what you were talking about. The crux of my argument remains the same that he wasn't falling over like a biitch at every opportunity. His during fight antics were nothing compared to how he fought Froch. If it makes you feel better to be right you go right ahead. So three falls then, one where he was trying to grab, one knockdown and one slip. Are you happy now? When it's all said and done you have still done nothing but duck me which is probably why your argument smells like fear............;D
OH ITS ON NOW!!!!! :mad:
YOU WILL SOON BE CLOSE... TO PARTS UNKNOWN :mad: :mad:
are you hitting on me? ;D
Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
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Originally Posted by
killersheep
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Originally Posted by
Jimboogie
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killersheep
It's like this..........I did say he fell over twice, I had forgotten about the grapple fall.......hence the question.....is this what you were talking about. The crux of my argument remains the same that he wasn't falling over like a biitch at every opportunity. His during fight antics were nothing compared to how he fought Froch. If it makes you feel better to be right you go right ahead. So three falls then, one where he was trying to grab, one knockdown and one slip. Are you happy now? When it's all said and done you have still done nothing but duck me which is probably why your argument smells like fear............;D
OH ITS ON NOW!!!!! :mad:
YOU WILL SOON BE CLOSE... TO PARTS UNKNOWN :mad: :mad:
are you hitting on me? ;D
Yeah I just wanna make you my biitch. Biitch :cool:
Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
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Jimboogie
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Originally Posted by
killersheep
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Jimboogie
OH ITS ON NOW!!!!! :mad:
YOU WILL SOON BE CLOSE... TO PARTS UNKNOWN :mad: :mad:
are you hitting on me? ;D
Yeah I just wanna make you my biitch. Biitch :cool:
You're gonna be floppin around like a fish, like that boxer what's his name again?
Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
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The Shadow
Hi All,
I have to admit that I haven't seen the fight. That said, I'm wondering if Cole was justified in calling this a DQ. If, in fact, it was a justifiable DQ, what the hell did Abraham do to get DQ'd?
Absolutely puzzling from what I've read so far. Very curious to read to some unbiased opinions from members in the know.
Thanks in advance
I say this in another post, but the reason I say it's not a legit DQ is consistency; what's the difference between this foul and the "no call" foul from the Cotto v. Margarito fight? A foul is a foul, deduct a point.
Re: Abraham - Justified DQ?
It was justified. Cole is still useless. Dirrell is still a whiner and drama queen...
Can't say I condone the staged wrestling like convulsions, twitching and weeping. It's a bitch move, but AA should have expected it if he had been watching any tape on Dirrell at all. Especially the fight with Froch.
