Julio Jr. vs. Andy Lee Saturday night fight/chat thread

it always baffles me when a boxer decides to trade, decides and is not is forced but consciously decides to forgo to the tools that had enabled him to be successful and make a living out of this hard gig.

Let this be a lesson to him, if a guy is constantly leaning on you so he can plant his foot and wack away at you, step to the side and let him eat your uppercuts all night long instead.

I'm getting Hearns Hagler flashbacks here. WHy the heck would you trade with a man who's probably weighting at LHW at fight night?

Infuriating fight to watch if you're a fan tactical boxing and all the credit to Chavez with his excellent left hooks and using his body as leverage to throw mean punches with bad intentions.

This is on Box nation tonight,did they show it live?

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Lee a step backwards in competition for Chavez

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Very prophetic........ but what else is new?

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Originally Posted by IamInuit

He keeps calling out Martinez like a rooster and yet people would have to be stupid to think that he would fight him with all that bravado unless he would get a bunch of advantages. If Arum thinks Martinez is going to fight him in a ring the size of a ten cent stamp, allow him to bring his own gloves, with an Arum ref in Texas and ignore the new same day weigh in rule effective June 30th he needs to give his head a shake. Even tonight they somehow got a pass on the piss test and that’s with day before weigh ins.

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Like it or not, Martinez will take the fight on whatever terms Chavez's team dictates. Chavez is the economically more substantial fighter, so that's just how it works, like it or not. Personally, I think Chavez has a much better chance to win than I thought 24 hours ago. Keep in mind, Martinez had some struggles with freakin' Darren Baker and Matthew Macklin before closing strong, so let's not pretend like he's unbeatable. He's a touch overrated, frankly. Chavez's size and body work give him a solid chance.

Lou DiBella confirms Chavez-Martinez is a done deal :cool:

It's on the twitter section on ESPN's boxing page.

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Originally Posted by ClubberLang

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Originally Posted by IamInuit

He keeps calling out Martinez like a rooster and yet people would have to be stupid to think that he would fight him with all that bravado unless he would get a bunch of advantages. If Arum thinks Martinez is going to fight him in a ring the size of a ten cent stamp, allow him to bring his own gloves, with an Arum ref in Texas and ignore the new same day weigh in rule effective June 30th he needs to give his head a shake. Even tonight they somehow got a pass on the piss test and that’s with day before weigh ins.

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Like it or not, Martinez will take the fight on whatever terms Chavez's team dictates. Chavez is the economically more substantial fighter, so that's just how it works, like it or not. Personally, I think Chavez has a much better chance to win than I thought 24 hours ago. Keep in mind, Martinez had some struggles with freakin' Darren Baker and Matthew Macklin before closing strong, so let's not pretend like he's unbeatable. He's a touch overrated, frankly. Chavez's size and body work give him a solid chance.

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I never suggested anything about Martinez other then he's not going to succumb to Arums fixing and you can bank that. I'd rather see him melt down and fight Floyd at 154 then fight this cruiser weight posing as a middle weight champion,

Its all moot anyway since same day weigh ins will be in effect at the end in of this month and Chavez's camp has already said Lee was his last fight at 160. Martinez is not going to allow the deck to be loaded against him.

I mean really...think about it, he was allowed to bring his own gloves to a championship fight and refused to weigh them wtf?

That is like sanctioning Resto's gloves prior to the Collins fight,

Do no something JCC Jr is not to bad a fighter, he's better than most people think not saying he's a superstar but a solid Champion none the lest.
I feel he's coming out of his Fathers shadow, and we should not judge just because his Father was a modern great Jr, is his own man he's proven a good few people wrong egg on the face job.;)

For what it is worth, I had Chavez up 4-2 at the time the fight ended. Also, while Chavez may well have been 175 at fight time, there's no way on earth that Lee wasn't as well. Not having seen Chavez before, and reading the disregard in which he is held on-line, I wasn't expecting much. But I thought he fought really well, he is a much better fighter than Lee.
He reminded me of his father with his patient start (there is a difference between starting slow and taking your time), and once he got Lee sorted out and dialed in, he made him fight his fight and beat him down. It is easy to say he should have moved and jabbed, but it is less easy to do when a guy is cutting off the ring and keeping you in front of him. Doesn't strike me that 'sticking and moving' in Lee's game anyway. As to the ring size, Lee's trainer and manager knows the game pretty good himself. If he thought it would be an issue, he has never been known to be shy.

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Originally Posted by greynotsoold

For what it is worth, I had Chavez up 4-2 at the time the fight ended. Also, while Chavez may well have been 175 at fight time, there's no way on earth that Lee wasn't as well. Not having seen Chavez before, and reading the disregard in which he is held on-line, I wasn't expecting much. But I thought he fought really well, he is a much better fighter than Lee.
He reminded me of his father with his patient start (there is a difference between starting slow and taking your time), and once he got Lee sorted out and dialed in, he made him fight his fight and beat him down. It is easy to say he should have moved and jabbed, but it is less easy to do when a guy is cutting off the ring and keeping you in front of him. Doesn't strike me that 'sticking and moving' in Lee's game anyway. As to the ring size, Lee's trainer and manager knows the game pretty good himself. If he thought it would be an issue, he has never been known to be shy.

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Good post, the fight was only going to go one way after the first couple of rounds. I thought maybe Lee hit a bit harder than he seemed to and had a chance to hurt Chavez, but once Jr. walked through a few good shots it was just a matter of time. Lee is far to easy to hit himself and really can't take a lot, so I still dont know what kind of chance I give Chavez against Martinez. Glad to hear that is being made so quickly though, it's a fun fight.

Scorecards for the fight

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Andy Lee's limitations were apparent last night, he's awkward, lacks mobility and looked 'weak' against the stronger, faster Chavez Jr. Lee's punches didn't faze Julio, but almost everything Jr. was throwing was hurting Lee. It's interesting that all the Judges had Lee winning going into the 7th round.

Granted, this was Andy Lee, but I thought Jr. looked impressive, he's determined, got a good chin, and throws an array of power punches to the head and body with bad intentions. He's come a long way, especially considering he had no amateur career.

Martinez vs Chavez Jr. should be a fucking barn burner. (anywhere but Texas)

That's weird, all three judges had Lee ahead at the stoppage? Certainly a fix wasn't in the works for this one, not that it was ever going to matter. I was watching it at the same time as Chambers Adamek but it did seem Lee was getting beat up for the most part after the first 2..

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Originally Posted by p4pking

That's weird, all three judges had Lee ahead at the stoppage? Certainly a fix wasn't in the works for this one, not that it was ever going to matter. I was watching it at the same time as Chambers Adamek but it did seem Lee was getting beat up for the most part after the first 2..

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Chavez was throwing really hard shots to Lee's head and body that started taking it's toll. Even though Lee gave a good account of himself in the 5th and 6th rounds, he had the look of a beaten fighter. The ref did the right thing stopping the fight in the 7th, Lee was on his way to being knocked out.

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That's weird, all three judges had Lee ahead at the stoppage? Certainly a fix wasn't in the works for this one, not that it was ever going to matter. I was watching it at the same time as Chambers Adamek but it did seem Lee was getting beat up for the most part after the first 2..

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Chavez was throwing really hard shots to Lee's head and body that started taking it's toll. Even though Lee gave a good account of himself in the 5th and 6th rounds, he had the look of a beaten fighter. The ref did the right thing stopping the fight in the 7th, Lee was on his way to being knocked out.

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Yeah for sure, Chavez was so much stronger and way more durable, it was inevitable. I'm just surpsised that the judges gave Lee so much love on the scorecards, given that he was falling apart like that. Two judges had Lee winning the 5th and 6th rounds, kind of nuts imo.

Just saw the end, where was the ref? That was brutal and he was defenseless.