Re: Golovkin is the future of the MW division!
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Rantcatrat
Because Golovkin didn't flatten Rosado in the way that many out there predicted he would, Golovkin now looks vulnerable. Consider though that Golovkin won every single round and that Rosado's face looked like a bloody mess when the fight was finished. Rosado is a junior middleweight but he is a big junior middleweight. I say that just because I didn't see a big size difference in the fight. I also have a higher opinion of Rosado than other people here. I think he's a cagey, calculated fighter...and, Golovkin beat him him pretty easily.
All that said, Rosado isn't a top ten middleweight. Golovkin still needs a defining fight at middleweight before we can start suggesting he would beat the lineal champion. It's unfair to Martinez.
I agree with most of that. Who do u want to see him fight next? Pirog or Barker would be good.
Re: Golovkin is the future of the MW division!
I would like him to fight Quillon, Geale or Strum.
Re: Golovkin is the future of the MW division!
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THE PHILOSOPHER
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Rosado had 5 losses, had never fought for a "world" title and never fought at middleweight.
So? Rosado actually looked the bigger man anyway. Fair play he was game but ultimately put in his place by a less than 100% GGG. I'm not really over-hyping the win it was just another stepping stone IMO. Note also that Rosado barely won a round as evidenced by the judges scores! Don't be so harsh on someone who was clearly operating below par anyway. He got the job done.
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Proksa had lost to powderpuff puncher Kerry Hope, had never fought for a "world" title and Darren Barker, a man that proved himself world-class with his effort against THE real middleweight champion, then slaughtered Hope in 4 rounds making the Proksa form look rubbish.
Proksa was a stand in for undefeated Pirog who is easily a top 10 MW having dominated undefeated american prospect Jacobs and world class Ishida. U can't criticise a man for fighting a stand in (and a solid one at that!)...
Proksa debateably lost to Hope IMO. Hope won a close MD. They fought for a second time and Proksa stopped him! Proska also dominated Sylvester who pushed both Geale and Karmazin to to a SD! So he's not that bad is he? (Karmazin beat Echols. Tatevosyan. Ouma. Keith Holmes etc and only lost to Cory spinks by a close MD. )
Do u think Barker beat's Golovkin? Pirog if he get's fit beats Barker too IMO. Martinez may be the man now but he won't be in 2 years time and i doubt he will give GGG a shot any time soon. He is content to fight good but not great British MW's (a division that is neglected in britain due to the prominence of our SMW's like Calzaghe, Froch and Groves!) Im a Martinez fan anyway......
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Even if everyone is "ducking" Golovkin, until he actually beats proven world-class fighters, he is nothing more than potential. That's it.
I know a good fighter when i see one. He more than backed it up in the AMS and will do so and is doing so as a pro too. All in good time....
1. All you Golovkin fans "know a good fighter when they see one?" Nobody is disagreeing with that. However, he is not "super fighter" until he steps up in class and proves it. Some of us prefer actual evidence. His current record is not a patch on Martinez.
2. I think he would beat Barker.
Re: Golovkin is the future of the MW division!
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Fenster
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Originally Posted by
THE PHILOSOPHER
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Rosado had 5 losses, had never fought for a "world" title and never fought at middleweight.
So? Rosado actually looked the bigger man anyway. Fair play he was game but ultimately put in his place by a less than 100% GGG. I'm not really over-hyping the win it was just another stepping stone IMO. Note also that Rosado barely won a round as evidenced by the judges scores! Don't be so harsh on someone who was clearly operating below par anyway. He got the job done.
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Proksa had lost to powderpuff puncher Kerry Hope, had never fought for a "world" title and Darren Barker, a man that proved himself world-class with his effort against THE real middleweight champion, then slaughtered Hope in 4 rounds making the Proksa form look rubbish.
Proksa was a stand in for undefeated Pirog who is easily a top 10 MW having dominated undefeated american prospect Jacobs and world class Ishida. U can't criticise a man for fighting a stand in (and a solid one at that!)...
Proksa debateably lost to Hope IMO. Hope won a close MD. They fought for a second time and Proksa stopped him! Proska also dominated Sylvester who pushed both Geale and Karmazin to to a SD! So he's not that bad is he? (Karmazin beat Echols. Tatevosyan. Ouma. Keith Holmes etc and only lost to Cory spinks by a close MD. )
Do u think Barker beat's Golovkin? Pirog if he get's fit beats Barker too IMO. Martinez may be the man now but he won't be in 2 years time and i doubt he will give GGG a shot any time soon. He is content to fight good but not great British MW's (a division that is neglected in britain due to the prominence of our SMW's like Calzaghe, Froch and Groves!) Im a Martinez fan anyway......
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Even if everyone is "ducking" Golovkin, until he actually beats proven world-class fighters, he is nothing more than potential. That's it.
I know a good fighter when i see one. He more than backed it up in the AMS and will do so and is doing so as a pro too. All in good time....
1. All you Golovkin fans "know a good fighter when they see one?" Nobody is disagreeing with that. However, he is not "super fighter" until he steps up in class and
proves it. Some of us prefer actual evidence. His current record is not a patch on Martinez.
2. I think he would beat Barker.
I never said he was super , but he is very good yes Martinez has a fine record as for stepping up in
class it seems the other Champions don't want to face him, is that his fault no I don't blame them
as boxing is about money, weather we like it or not it's a business.;)
Re: Golovkin is the future of the MW division!
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Originally Posted by
Dia bando
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
THE PHILOSOPHER
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Rosado had 5 losses, had never fought for a "world" title and never fought at middleweight.
So? Rosado actually looked the bigger man anyway. Fair play he was game but ultimately put in his place by a less than 100% GGG. I'm not really over-hyping the win it was just another stepping stone IMO. Note also that Rosado barely won a round as evidenced by the judges scores! Don't be so harsh on someone who was clearly operating below par anyway. He got the job done.
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Proksa had lost to powderpuff puncher Kerry Hope, had never fought for a "world" title and Darren Barker, a man that proved himself world-class with his effort against THE real middleweight champion, then slaughtered Hope in 4 rounds making the Proksa form look rubbish.
Proksa was a stand in for undefeated Pirog who is easily a top 10 MW having dominated undefeated american prospect Jacobs and world class Ishida. U can't criticise a man for fighting a stand in (and a solid one at that!)...
Proksa debateably lost to Hope IMO. Hope won a close MD. They fought for a second time and Proksa stopped him! Proska also dominated Sylvester who pushed both Geale and Karmazin to to a SD! So he's not that bad is he? (Karmazin beat Echols. Tatevosyan. Ouma. Keith Holmes etc and only lost to Cory spinks by a close MD. )
Do u think Barker beat's Golovkin? Pirog if he get's fit beats Barker too IMO. Martinez may be the man now but he won't be in 2 years time and i doubt he will give GGG a shot any time soon. He is content to fight good but not great British MW's (a division that is neglected in britain due to the prominence of our SMW's like Calzaghe, Froch and Groves!) Im a Martinez fan anyway......
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Even if everyone is "ducking" Golovkin, until he actually beats proven world-class fighters, he is nothing more than potential. That's it.
I know a good fighter when i see one. He more than backed it up in the AMS and will do so and is doing so as a pro too. All in good time....
1. All you Golovkin fans "know a good fighter when they see one?" Nobody is disagreeing with that. However, he is not "super fighter" until he steps up in class and
proves it. Some of us prefer actual evidence. His current record is not a patch on Martinez.
2. I think he would beat Barker.
I never said he was super , but he is very good yes Martinez has a fine record as for stepping up in
class it seems the other Champions don't want to face him, is that his fault no I don't blame them
as boxing is about money, weather we like it or not it's a business.;)
Yeah boxing is a business and everyone is ducking him.
However, that still doesn't answer our questions about how good he really is. Lets hope the world stop ducking him so he can prove what a good fighter he is. Otherwise he'll be remembered as a hype job that never beat anyone.
Re: Golovkin is the future of the MW division!
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THE PHILOSOPHER
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Originally Posted by
Rantcatrat
Because Golovkin didn't flatten Rosado in the way that many out there predicted he would, Golovkin now looks vulnerable. Consider though that Golovkin won every single round and that Rosado's face looked like a bloody mess when the fight was finished. Rosado is a junior middleweight but he is a big junior middleweight. I say that just because I didn't see a big size difference in the fight. I also have a higher opinion of Rosado than other people here. I think he's a cagey, calculated fighter...and, Golovkin beat him him pretty easily.
All that said, Rosado isn't a top ten middleweight. Golovkin still needs a defining fight at middleweight before we can start suggesting he would beat the lineal champion. It's unfair to Martinez.
I agree with most of that. Who do u want to see him fight next? Pirog or Barker would be good.
With regard to Barker, I think Hearn should use his magic and get him a higher-level fight against Geale or Quillin, before Barker challenges GGG. But, I guess if the fight is offered, it might be heard to turn down for Barker, depending on the money involved.
From what I gather, N'Jikam, Macklin, Quillin, Sturm and Geale have turned down fights with Golvokin. Murray is going to to Argentina to fight Martinez. I have heard rumors that Pirog is partially retired or is retiring. I'm not sure it would be smart for his first fight after such a long lay off to be GGG, if he isn't retired. We KNOW Junior isn't fighting Golovkin. I don't really know who else is out there.
Here's an odd idea - how about Austin Trout? Golovkin allegedly has difficulty with boxers. Trout can box. Golovkin can bang.
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I want to see Golovkin vs Pirog. I want to see how either one reacts to what the other brings to the table. Persistent pressure with persistent upper body movement and counters.
Also I do hate to say this because I love Martinez as a champ but regrettably he's old, he's closer to 40 than to 35 and regardless of what Bernard, Marquez, and Vitali have done I don't think its a good idea for boxers to fight over 35 as the effects of all those punches and shot reflexes truly put a lot of stress on the boxers body and health. So with all that said I don't think Martinez will have the legs for 12 rounds against a heavy handed pressure fighter anymore. If this was 4-5 years ago then I would have bet the house on Martinez to win. Now...I'm not too sure.
Re: Golovkin is the future of the MW division!
I haven't read through the comments yet, so forgive me if I make redundant statements.
GGG right now is a giant hype machine. It's not just that he's torch bearing for his division, he's torch bearing for the entire sport of boxing. I can only look at this to be a good thing.
On a similar note, there are so many names in the divisions he is prospecting in. Why is he fighting Rosado? Sure, he can bang, that's his main selling point, but he's gettin' with too many shots that he doesn't have to take. Personally, I would like to see GGG get put in the ring with someone who will be a legitimate test of his all around boxing skills.
Re: Golovkin is the future of the MW division!
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Peter Som
I haven't read through the comments yet, so forgive me if I make redundant statements.
GGG right now is a giant hype machine. It's not just that he's torch bearing for his division, he's torch bearing for the entire sport of boxing. I can only look at this to be a good thing.
On a similar note, there are so many names in the divisions he is prospecting in. Why is he fighting Rosado? Sure, he can bang, that's his main selling point, but he's gettin' with too many shots that he doesn't have to take. Personally, I would like to see GGG get put in the ring with someone who will be a legitimate test of his all around boxing skills.
The boxing business is about money, GGG is a Champ looking to make money calling people out, all hype it's the name of the game. GGG, is dangerous fight for all the other Champs, remember mangers
and promoters don't want to lose there cash cows.! So when you get a fight with other Champs the money has to be right and lots of it £ $.I remember a few years back Froch shooting his mouth of
to Calzaghe at the time Froch could not draw fly s, Joe told him it's about the money simple pro boxing
or prize fighting is about THE MONEY.;)
Re: Golovkin is the future of the MW division!
Golovkin is heavy handed and is like Kostya. Quality fighter would like to see him smash Junior.
Re: Golovkin is the future of the MW division!
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Master
Golovkin is heavy handed and is like Kostya. Quality fighter would like to see him smash Junior.
I can see Jr facing GGG, If he did how long would it last.!
Re: Golovkin is the future of the MW division!
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Dia bando
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Master
Golovkin is heavy handed and is like Kostya. Quality fighter would like to see him smash Junior.
I can see Jr facing GGG, If he did how long would it last.!
Junior takes a beating but he has his dads chin and takes a sustained beating until the latter rounds.
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Master
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Dia bando
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Originally Posted by
Master
Golovkin is heavy handed and is like Kostya. Quality fighter would like to see him smash Junior.
I can see Jr facing GGG, If he did how long would it last.!
Junior takes a beating but he has his dads chin and takes a sustained beating until the latter rounds.
I'd favor Golovkin against Chavez Jr, but not by a lot. Junior's size and will combined with Golovkin being far more hittable than Martinez, would make it a winnable fight for baby huey.
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Hulk
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Dia bando
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Originally Posted by
Master
Golovkin is heavy handed and is like Kostya. Quality fighter would like to see him smash Junior.
I can see Jr facing GGG, If he did how long would it last.!
Junior takes a beating but he has his dads chin and takes a sustained beating until the latter rounds.
I'd favor Golovkin against Chavez Jr, but not by a lot. Junior's size and will combined with Golovkin being far more hittable than Martinez, would make it a winnable fight for baby huey.
Golonkin is not that easy to hit, he is very deceptive. Junior also does not hit that hard.
Re: Golovkin is the future of the MW division!
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DavilaJones
I want to see Golovkin vs Pirog.
One of THE fights i want too!
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