Re: Andre Ward has refused to participate in the VADA testing
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Freedom
Ward said today that he's refusing to take the test because it wasn't in their contract.
But you'd think the so-called "Son of God" would do it for the good of the sport. It won't cost him anything and it would make a statement to the public that he's clean.
Why does he have to make this statement?
You're missing the point with all due respect. He is under NO contractual obligation to do it. Therefore, he does NOT have to do it. He
should voluntarily do it, especially given his previous, outspoken stance on PEDs and the fact that his opponent is doing it.
By refusing to take PED tests for whatever reason, e.g. contract or not, it is suspicious. I wouldn't go as far as to say he is taking PEDs because innocent until proven guilty, but again it is suspicious.
How am I missing the point. Seems to me you are missing the point. Andre is not the poster child for surprise testing. Why should he volunteer to do it? This is crazy. If everybody should volunteer to do it then make it mandatory FFS. This is getting ridiculous. Pulling freakin names out of a hat and expecting these people to agree to extra testing after contracts are signed. Person A should volunteer but person B does not have to?
The elephant in the room is the fact that all the powers who run the damn sport dont want the testing.If they did we would not be having this discussion. You cant just start randomly picking guys out of the crowd that already have contracts signed expect them to do it and if they dont presume guilt. That is a witch hunt.
He's not exactly random. He's been outspoken on the subject.
He should volunteer to do it to do his part to clean up the sport in which he is not only a participant, but at the very top level, earning $2,000,000.00 for his next fight, and his opponent is volunteering to do it. Moreover, he is making 2X what his opponent is making for the fight.
Why should he not volunteer to do it? Why should he not want to be the poster child?
Again, then it should have been included in the contract. I have no love lost for Mr Ward. In fact he is in my top 3 hope to see get ktfo list but fair is fair. The wing and the prayer is to hope that he tests hot for a millionth of a part over the acceptable amount for rehab.
And again then so should everybody else. That is volunteer. Its only those who work with Conte and Heredia that are supposed to volunteer. Did he ask to be a poster child?
Upcoming fights
Hopkins has a fight coming up. He's been in the game for 20 years. Is he volunteering?
Kell Brook has came up injured twice for the same fight and is the next gen. Is he volunteering?
How about Abraham?
And Golovkin?
Froch?
Manny?
Rios?
Groves?
Alexander?
Santa Cruz?
Re: Andre Ward has refused to participate in the VADA testing
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Upcoming fights
Hopkins has a fight coming up. He's been in the game for 20 years. Is he volunteering?
Kell Brook has came up injured twice for the same fight and is the next gen. Is he volunteering?
How about Abraham?
And Golovkin?
Froch?
Manny?
Rios?
Groves?
Alexander?
Santa Cruz?
All Sauerland boxers including Abraham whose fights are televised by ARD are given Olympic-style testing (random PED testing). It was written into Sauerland's TV contract with ARD.
Hopkins has refused PED testing in the past. None of the others you mentioned (except perhaps Pacquiao) have been reluctant to do PED testing.
Floyd Mayweather has come forward and had random drug testing, whether his opponents wanted him to or not.
Re: Andre Ward has refused to participate in the VADA testing
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Upcoming fights
Hopkins has a fight coming up. He's been in the game for 20 years. Is he volunteering?
Kell Brook has came up injured twice for the same fight and is the next gen. Is he volunteering?
How about Abraham?
And Golovkin?
Froch?
Manny?
Rios?
Groves?
Alexander?
Santa Cruz?
All Sauerland boxers including Abraham whose fights are televised by ARD are given Olympic-style testing (random PED testing). It was written into Sauerland's TV contract with ARD.
Hopkins has refused PED testing in the past. None of the others you mentioned (except perhaps Pacquiao) have been reluctant to do PED testing.
Floyd Mayweather has come forward and had random drug testing, whether his opponents wanted him to or not.
Look this is a dead horse. Show me all these fighters of high profile status or champions from minimum to hev that are standing in line to take on added tests as volunteers. You cant because they dont exist. The facts have not changed since the first page of this thread and they speak for themselves. The evidence is clear that this is a witch hunt and I'm done replying to the pretzel logic on full display. Situational cheery picking. You guys just continue on. It will hit 50 pages and you will be where you started. No justification whatsoever.
Re: Andre Ward has refused to participate in the VADA testing
mayweather started it.
sauerland has worked it into their fighters contracts.
donaire has picked up the cause...voluntarily testing himself year round.
rodriguez is following suit.
it needs to continue. you can't say no one is doing it. some high profile fighters have started and in order for the sport to continue to evolve other high ranking fighters need to stand up and volunteer to be tested and insist that their opponents be tested as well.
why are we talking about ward? because he was challenged publicly and balked... because he's son of god. what would jesus do? he'd test. no question.
Re: Andre Ward has refused to participate in the VADA testing
Or he'd get crucified for not doing so;) BAM.
Re: Andre Ward has refused to participate in the VADA testing
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IamInuit
Upcoming fights
Hopkins has a fight coming up. He's been in the game for 20 years. Is he volunteering?
Kell Brook has came up injured twice for the same fight and is the next gen. Is he volunteering?
How about Abraham?
And Golovkin?
Froch?
Manny?
Rios?
Groves?
Alexander?
Santa Cruz?
All Sauerland boxers including Abraham whose fights are televised by ARD are given Olympic-style testing (random PED testing). It was written into Sauerland's TV contract with ARD.
Hopkins has refused PED testing in the past. None of the others you mentioned (except perhaps Pacquiao) have been reluctant to do PED testing.
Floyd Mayweather has come forward and had random drug testing, whether his opponents wanted him to or not.
Thats interesting. I wonder if it coincides with Abrahams declime in performances?
Re: Andre Ward has refused to participate in the VADA testing
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Thats interesting. I wonder if it coincides with Abrahams declime in performances?
No, he's just faded and never was as good at 168 as he was at 160 because he's too short and lacks reach. Sauerland fighters appearing on ARD TV have had to do random PED testing since at the latest 2007.
Re: Andre Ward has refused to participate in the VADA testing
Testing and its acceptance have come a long way. Sauerland, Donaire, ever since Love popped hot for a diarrhetic all of Mayweather promotions does OST 365, hell even Pacman is participating in OST. It has a foothold and the worst thing for its validity is people making it into a sh*$show. Ariza questioning VADA, Montoya questioning USADA, fighters pushing it at press conferences for the spectacle. All of these people can get fu*#ed, they are the enemy. Testing has momentum, fair play has momentum, those that would use something so critical to safety for propaganda are scum.
Maybe that is why Ward says no, he recognizes the evil behind the request as being more significant than the request. If he tests next fight done the proper way I hope everyone that slandered him over this admits their wrong. If he continues to fight without testing he is undoubtedly a suspect as all fighters that refuse are in this era.
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Testing and its acceptance have come a long way. Sauerland, Donaire, ever since Love popped hot for a diarrhetic all of Mayweather promotions does OST 365, hell even Pacman is participating in OST. It has a foothold and the worst thing for its validity is people making it into a sh*$show. Ariza questioning VADA, Montoya questioning USADA, fighters pushing it at press conferences for the spectacle. All of these people can get fu*#ed, they are the enemy. Testing has momentum, fair play has momentum, those that would use something so critical to safety for propaganda are scum.
Maybe that is why Ward says no, he recognizes the evil behind the request as being more significant than the request. If he tests next fight done the proper way I hope everyone that slandered him over this admits their wrong. If he continues to fight without testing he is undoubtedly a suspect as all fighters that refuse are in this era.
Are you mental?
As for everyone admitting theyre wrong IF he tests for his fight after this:rolleyes:
Ok, so he can cheat now but as long as he has notice and doesn't do it in his next fight thats ok;)
Re: Andre Ward has refused to participate in the VADA testing
Ward refused to fight in Europe during the Super Six, although everyone else had to travel.
I wonder if he was concerned about the OST testing he'd need to do if he fought Sauerland's Kessler and Abraham in Europe?
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Are you mental?
As for everyone admitting theyre wrong IF he tests for his fight after this:rolleyes:
Ok, so he can cheat now but as long as he has notice and doesn't do it in his next fight thats ok;)[/QUOTE]
How about we do this like adults without insults or emoticons?
I fully support testing. What I don't support is people using it as a gimmick. It undermines the process. This guy had a chance to request it through the proper process. The process isn't right, it should be on the boxing commissions, but he chose not to do this. He chose to attempt to sully Wards name making a spectacle. Testing is not a head game or a hype source if you believe in it. And people that jump to conclusions of guilt should get real. If everyone is guilty why would they agree? When someone goes about it right and a fighter refuses that is reason to take pause. When someone unfairly sullies your name the general response is resistance.
Re: Andre Ward has refused to participate in the VADA testing
Ross, I'm sure this thread is not going to lead to a solution but try to understand how this looks from Ward's perspective at least from this one fight. Rodriguez had 2 negotiations to at least even mention the subject and he chose not to. So he doesn't know how Ward would respond. The first negotiations Team Rodriguez turned down the fight which was his highest payday so they clearly weren't begging or walking on eggshells for the fight. The second negotiation Team Ward chased them and still no mention of random testing by Team Rodriguez. If all any team has to do to get their way is sign the fight first, pick the agency, and call the opponent out for random testing at the fight press conference then everybody could do this and be guaranteed to get their way or make the other guy look suspicious in your eyes. Let me ask you a serious question and be honest bro. Remember Team Rodriguez didn't even merely mention random testing in either of 2 negotiations. Do you really think Rodriguez didn't even mention random testing because he thought Ward would turn down the fight at the mere mentioning of random testing?
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Ross, I'm sure this thread is not going to lead to a solution but try to understand how this looks from Ward's perspective at least from this one fight. Rodriguez had 2 negotiations to at least even mention the subject and he chose not to. So he doesn't know how Ward would respond. The first negotiations Team Rodriguez turned down the fight which was his highest payday so they clearly weren't begging or walking on eggshells for the fight. The second negotiation Team Ward chased them and still no mention of random testing by Team Rodriguez. If all any team has to do to get their way is sign the fight first, pick the agency, and call the opponent out for random testing at the fight press conference then everybody could do this and be guaranteed to get their way or make the other guy look suspicious in your eyes. Let me ask you a serious question and be honest bro. Remember Team Rodriguez didn't even merely mention random testing in either of 2 negotiations. Do you really think Rodriguez didn't even mention random testing because he thought Ward would turn down the fight at the mere mentioning of random testing?
Pacquiao did it with Mayweather, there is a precedent.
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Ross, I'm sure this thread is not going to lead to a solution but try to understand how this looks from Ward's perspective at least from this one fight. Rodriguez had 2 negotiations to at least even mention the subject and he chose not to. So he doesn't know how Ward would respond. The first negotiations Team Rodriguez turned down the fight which was his highest payday so they clearly weren't begging or walking on eggshells for the fight. The second negotiation Team Ward chased them and still no mention of random testing by Team Rodriguez. If all any team has to do to get their way is sign the fight first, pick the agency, and call the opponent out for random testing at the fight press conference then everybody could do this and be guaranteed to get their way or make the other guy look suspicious in your eyes. Let me ask you a serious question and be honest bro. Remember Team Rodriguez didn't even merely mention random testing in either of 2 negotiations. Do you really think Rodriguez didn't even mention random testing because he thought Ward would turn down the fight at the mere mentioning of random testing?
Pacquiao did it with Mayweather, there is a precedent.
Mayweather didn't merely mention it he demanded it or there was to be no fight. The only thing he was willing to negotiation in the first round of negotiations was the cut off point.
