Re: Chisora v Ustinov July 11th Manchester
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Oh and Cunningham was calling out Haye
Cunningham calls out Haye | Boxing News | Sky Sports
He never cleaned up cruiser. Cleaning up means beating the majority of the contenders or top ten. Haye only fought 2! There was Adamek, Cunningham, Bell, Braithwaite, Huck. :rolleyes:
I dont think you forgot about Ruiz getting sparked by Tua. I think you had to google.....
Braithwaite was beaten by Macca who then got bombed out in 2 by Haye so what would be the point of Braithwaite? Bell disappeared off the radar after Mormeck beat him. Adamek had his first Cruiserwight fight after Haye moved up in weight. Huck had lost to Cunningham and wasn't world level at that point. Cunningham was the only logical fight left at Cruiser and there was no money in it. Did Don King call Haye and make him an offer? It is hardly ducking if you're taking a bigger challenge against bigger, heavier and more skilled punchers. The money was at Heavy and he'd won 3/4 titles, beaten the #1 guy and become the lineal champ.
You question my boxing knowledge but you think a guy that chased down Wladimir Klitschko ducked Steve Cunningham? Explain the logic in that one.
Your showing yourself up again. Did you even watch that rubbish?
Haye didnt chase down Wlad, it was the other way round. Haye "fought" Wlad the same as he did Harrison for the first couple if rounds and Valuev. Just not doing alot and skirting the ring. Haye was so poor he actually got warned becuase he kept throwing himself on the floor!
Re: Chisora v Ustinov July 11th Manchester
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ross
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bzkfn
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ross
Oh and Cunningham was calling out Haye
Cunningham calls out Haye | Boxing News | Sky Sports
He never cleaned up cruiser. Cleaning up means beating the majority of the contenders or top ten. Haye only fought 2! There was Adamek, Cunningham, Bell, Braithwaite, Huck. :rolleyes:
I dont think you forgot about Ruiz getting sparked by Tua. I think you had to google.....
Braithwaite was beaten by Macca who then got bombed out in 2 by Haye so what would be the point of Braithwaite? Bell disappeared off the radar after Mormeck beat him. Adamek had his first Cruiserwight fight after Haye moved up in weight. Huck had lost to Cunningham and wasn't world level at that point. Cunningham was the only logical fight left at Cruiser and there was no money in it. Did Don King call Haye and make him an offer? It is hardly ducking if you're taking a bigger challenge against bigger, heavier and more skilled punchers. The money was at Heavy and he'd won 3/4 titles, beaten the #1 guy and become the lineal champ.
You question my boxing knowledge but you think a guy that chased down Wladimir Klitschko ducked Steve Cunningham? Explain the logic in that one.
Your showing yourself up again. Did you even watch that rubbish?
Haye didnt chase down Wlad, it was the other way round. Haye "fought" Wlad the same as he did Harrison for the first couple if rounds and Valuev. Just not doing alot and skirting the ring. Haye was so poor he actually got warned becuase he kept throwing himself on the floor!
He meant chased down as in pursued the fight, for fucks sake:p
Re: Chisora v Ustinov July 11th Manchester
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ross
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ross
Oh and Cunningham was calling out Haye
Cunningham calls out Haye | Boxing News | Sky Sports
He never cleaned up cruiser. Cleaning up means beating the majority of the contenders or top ten. Haye only fought 2! There was Adamek, Cunningham, Bell, Braithwaite, Huck. :rolleyes:
I dont think you forgot about Ruiz getting sparked by Tua. I think you had to google.....
Braithwaite was beaten by Macca who then got bombed out in 2 by Haye so what would be the point of Braithwaite? Bell disappeared off the radar after Mormeck beat him. Adamek had his first Cruiserwight fight after Haye moved up in weight. Huck had lost to Cunningham and wasn't world level at that point. Cunningham was the only logical fight left at Cruiser and there was no money in it. Did Don King call Haye and make him an offer? It is hardly ducking if you're taking a bigger challenge against bigger, heavier and more skilled punchers. The money was at Heavy and he'd won 3/4 titles, beaten the #1 guy and become the lineal champ.
You question my boxing knowledge but you think a guy that chased down Wladimir Klitschko ducked Steve Cunningham? Explain the logic in that one.
Your showing yourself up again. Did you even watch that rubbish?
Haye didnt chase down Wlad, it was the other way round. Haye "fought" Wlad the same as he did Harrison for the first couple if rounds and Valuev. Just not doing alot and skirting the ring. Haye was so poor he actually got warned becuase he kept throwing himself on the floor!
He meant chased down as in pursued the fight, for fucks sake:p
Ok then, ill revise my reply.
Cunningham would not give the rewards that Wlad would and Cunningham had just knocked out Huck and scared Haye up a weight.
He thought he could chin Wlad quick like Sanders did. His whole career was based off of watching that fight and trying to get Wlad which is why he has no interest in fighting any other good heavies that dont have multiple losses which is why he avoided Tyson.
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Right, because it was clearly semantics;D Cunningham was a very good fighter, and he would have certainly been a test for Haye at cruiserweight, but that's about the only substance to what you are saying and nobody is arguing it. You are just making up rubbish to make Tyson Fury look slightly better in your own estimation, which is already infallible.
Re: Chisora v Ustinov July 11th Manchester
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ross
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bzkfn
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ross
Oh and Cunningham was calling out Haye
Cunningham calls out Haye | Boxing News | Sky Sports
He never cleaned up cruiser. Cleaning up means beating the majority of the contenders or top ten. Haye only fought 2! There was Adamek, Cunningham, Bell, Braithwaite, Huck. :rolleyes:
I dont think you forgot about Ruiz getting sparked by Tua. I think you had to google.....
Braithwaite was beaten by Macca who then got bombed out in 2 by Haye so what would be the point of Braithwaite? Bell disappeared off the radar after Mormeck beat him. Adamek had his first Cruiserwight fight after Haye moved up in weight. Huck had lost to Cunningham and wasn't world level at that point. Cunningham was the only logical fight left at Cruiser and there was no money in it. Did Don King call Haye and make him an offer? It is hardly ducking if you're taking a bigger challenge against bigger, heavier and more skilled punchers. The money was at Heavy and he'd won 3/4 titles, beaten the #1 guy and become the lineal champ.
You question my boxing knowledge but you think a guy that chased down Wladimir Klitschko ducked Steve Cunningham? Explain the logic in that one.
Your showing yourself up again. Did you even watch that rubbish?
Haye didnt chase down Wlad, it was the other way round. Haye "fought" Wlad the same as he did Harrison for the first couple if rounds and Valuev. Just not doing alot and skirting the ring. Haye was so poor he actually got warned becuase he kept throwing himself on the floor!
He meant chased down as in pursued the fight, for fucks sake:p
Ok then, ill revise my reply.
Cunningham would not give the rewards that Wlad would and Cunningham had just knocked out Huck and scared Haye up a weight.
He thought he could chin Wlad quick like Sanders did. His whole career was based off of watching that fight and trying to get Wlad which is why he has no interest in fighting any other good heavies that dont have multiple losses which is why he avoided Tyson.
Fair play Ross, you are a fucking dreamer. People come up with facts and you counter with unsubstantiated opinions.
1. When "Cunningham called out Haye", Haye had 3 belts, Cunningham 1. That makes Haye the "A" side if you like. As was already stated , he was always moving up because that's where're the money was. Cunningham can call out Haye as much as he likes, but he wouldn't have come here to fight Haye. Do you think Haye would delay stepping up to fight Cunningham in the States for shit money?
Now, while you're mulling that one over, please explain that according to your logic of Haye ducking fighters, how we should see Fury dropping out ;
1. Versus Pulev for a European title and Mandatory World Title position.
2. Versus David Price for the British title in order to fight a 40 year old taxi driver for the Irish HW title!!!!
Answers on a postcard please or online at www.ilovetysonandfuckthefacts.com!
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Fury avoided neither.
The following is from Peter Fury and Maloney nor Price have ever denied the following.
"It is a fact that Golem was offered £125,000 by Mick Hennessy to box Tyson on Channel 5. Golem declined this offer quoting the fight would have to go on Sky TV, only to find out later that not only did he refuse the fight with Price, the reason he gave regarding Sky was false as he never actually had a deal with Sky.
He screwed that deal up and lied to the public and us with his bogus Sky deal! Then we hear Golem spouting about 'Chicken Tyson' refuses to fight etc, when the fact is he lost his sky deal and now he's got Price fighting on BoxNation! Whereby if Golem would have taken the offer, the Price fight would have gone on terrestrial TV and Price would have been paid well and the rest history."
Fury's Trainer Rips Maloney Over Past David Price Talks - Boxing News
As for Pulev. How is being offered millions to fight a supposed better, more dangerous and higher profile fighter avoiding Price? Thats like saying Mayweather avoided Khan by fighting Pacquiao!!;D
Re: Chisora v Ustinov July 11th Manchester
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ross
Fury avoided neither.
The following is from Peter Fury and Maloney nor Price have ever denied the following.
"It is a fact that Golem was offered £125,000 by Mick Hennessy to box Tyson on Channel 5. Golem declined this offer quoting the fight would have to go on Sky TV, only to find out later that not only did he refuse the fight with Price, the reason he gave regarding Sky was false as he never actually had a deal with Sky.
He screwed that deal up and lied to the public and us with his bogus Sky deal! Then we hear Golem spouting about 'Chicken Tyson' refuses to fight etc, when the fact is he lost his sky deal and now he's got Price fighting on BoxNation! Whereby if Golem would have taken the offer, the Price fight would have gone on terrestrial TV and Price would have been paid well and the rest history."
Fury's Trainer Rips Maloney Over Past David Price Talks - Boxing News
As for Pulev. How is being offered millions to fight a supposed better, more dangerous and higher profile fighter avoiding Price? Thats like saying Mayweather avoided Khan by fighting Pacquiao!!;D
boxing fans use the word ducking every time either - a fight they want to happen doesnt - or they are trying to discredit a fighter they dont like
do i think Fury ducked Price? i think fury and his team felt that it was too soon for that fight and a loss to price at that stage would have been very difficult to return from, fury probably would have been nowhere near where he is now if he had have been beaten off price
and incidentally, i think price would have beaten every fighter fury has fought, i dont neccessarily think he would beat fury tho
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Firstly ,you still copying and pasting that Golem bollocks, you did that months ago. So all we have is Peter Fury's version of events. No facts. It was for a British title and Price was the higher rated fighter, so it's not peter Fury or fat Mick's place to start offering Price £125k. If it don't get decided , it goes to purse bids, only it never did it? Why? Because Tyson chose to take on an old man for the "to be sure, leprechaun title!"
He dropped out of the Pulev fight because a.) there was massive money at stake to fight Haye. That's fair enough, but when it goes pear shaped, don't start crying and fucking moaning that Haye is a chicken pussy! He made a choice, it didn't work out, TOUGH FUCKING SHIT!
The other reason he took it was that if he lost to Pulev (and at the time, he would've been the underdog.) it would be a difficult marketing job to get him back. However, if he had lost to Haye, he would've banked a load of cash and he was the underdog anyway.
I'm sure he thought he could beat Haye , but he would've been a wide outsider.
The fact remains, if he thought he could beat Pulev, do it , take the Euro title, mandatory for the World and the Haye fight would always be there, only next time for more money.
Perhaps he wasn't sure eh?
Oh, and btw, it's "Ms" Golem to you! 😀
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Old man Rogan?
Hes younger than Harrison (also beat Harrison), Skelton and Thompson!;D;D
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Old man Rogan?
Hes younger than Harrison (also beat Harrison), Skelton and Thompson!;D;D
Ah, ok, that makes Rogan young then , does it?
And whether you like Audley or not, he won an Olympic Gold Medal , Rogan probably drove him to Buckingham palace in his taxi! Skelton fought for a World Title and he never ducked out of a Pulev fight, and Thompson had been a World Champion! What did Rogan achieve near to that, Infact , what has Fury achieved comparable with that.
You know , the stupid thing is that most people on this forum probably want Fury to beat Wlad, but just feel it's unlikely. But you are convinced that he is the second coming of Christ, and then people think "fuck this, I'm gonna come out with a few home truths!"
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Not sure we will see much of the sweet science in this fight. My memory of Ustinov was receiving a beating from Pulev and looking pretty clueless on how to deal with the quicker, smaller man who was able to outjab him. Fury pulled out against Ustinov last minute and you would have thought hed want this fight as prep for Klitschko because Fury doesn’t seem to want to get in the ring with guys close to his size. You have to go back to Nicloai Firtha since Fury fought someone big but that’s another story. . . I think Ustinov wouldnve made it interesting against Fury just because of his size. He will tower over Chisora but he did against Pulev too & that didn’t help.
Question is what does Derek have left because even in his prime he always lost the fights that mattered, beating Ustinov if he can manage it would be considered one of his best wins but he has to turn back the clock as the evidence of his last fight suggests he’s reached journeyman mode and used a s a punch bag for the bigger names. Instead lets hope we see a revitalised Derek Chisora who’s moving that head whilst weaving in Joe Frazier style launching the left hook. Work the body and keep the pace too hot for old Ustinov. Instead if it’s a lumbering hugging affair which I fear it could then Derek runs the risk of getting worn down and losing a decision himself. They are at pretty similar levels now unfortunately for Derek so if Ustinov arrives with some ambition, uses his weight in the clinches, leans on and throws his shots as Derek comes in, then I see it being a long night.
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The HW ranking devised by Ross , and P. Fury.
1. Tyson Fury.
2. Steve Cunningham.
3. Derrick Chisora.
4. Kevin Johnson.
All the rest of the HW division have either pulled out , avoided , or cancelled fights with the above. Also they have taken into account how well these people have tried against other fighters who may have defeated them, P. Fury is insistent that they all tried much harder against the World number 1 Tyson Fury.
If you disagree with the rating please accept you are wrong , because P.Fury said so.
Re: Chisora v Ustinov July 11th Manchester
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ross
Fury avoided neither.
The following is from Peter Fury and Maloney nor Price have ever denied the following.
"It is a fact that Golem was offered £125,000 by Mick Hennessy to box Tyson on Channel 5. Golem declined this offer quoting the fight would have to go on Sky TV, only to find out later that not only did he refuse the fight with Price, the reason he gave regarding Sky was false as he never actually had a deal with Sky.
He screwed that deal up and lied to the public and us with his bogus Sky deal! Then we hear Golem spouting about 'Chicken Tyson' refuses to fight etc, when the fact is he lost his sky deal and now he's got Price fighting on BoxNation! Whereby if Golem would have taken the offer, the Price fight would have gone on terrestrial TV and Price would have been paid well and the rest history."
Fury's Trainer Rips Maloney Over Past David Price Talks - Boxing News
As for Pulev. How is being offered millions to fight a supposed better, more dangerous and higher profile fighter avoiding Price? Thats like saying Mayweather avoided Khan by fighting Pacquiao!!;D
Is that what Haye did when he ducked Cunningham? Moved up, had one tune up fight at the weight and then won a world title on sky PPV?
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The HW ranking devised by Ross , and P. Fury.
1. Tyson Fury.
2. Steve Cunningham.
3. Derrick Chisora.
4. Kevin Johnson.
All the rest of the HW division have either pulled out , avoided , or cancelled fights with the above. Also they have taken into account how well these people have tried against other fighters who may have defeated them, P. Fury is insistent that they all tried much harder against the World number 1 Tyson Fury.
If you disagree with the rating please accept you are wrong , because P.Fury said so.
I think he has Johnson a bit lower down now that hes shot. I mean the Johnson that fought Fury would never have got stopped by a novice
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Going back to the thread is this fight on? Doubt its on 11th July
