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Primo Carnera
Belief will take you so far........but a lot else needs to happen. Still , you keep believing in him if you like , while I'll stick to what ACTUALLY HAPPENS. í ½í¸„
So you are willing to judge the future of his career on one fight?
So those other fighters I me tioned, their careers should be judged on those losses? Hopkins lost to a journeyman in his first fight.
Even Tam who liked your post has lost to some mediocre fighters. Does that mean Tam couldnt improve and beat them after more experience or go on to have an impressive resume?
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Frank Warren has already said he wouldn't make the Golovkin fight for Saunders at this time. Why? He'd get slaughtered.
And reported Eubank snr for child abuse for asking him to make the fight. :D
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Primo Carnera
Belief will take you so far........but a lot else needs to happen. Still , you keep believing in him if you like , while I'll stick to what ACTUALLY HAPPENS. ������
So you are willing to judge the future of his career on one fight?
So those other fighters I me tioned, their careers should be judged on those losses? Hopkins lost to a journeyman in his first fight.
Even Tam who liked your post has lost to some mediocre fighters. Does that mean Tam couldnt improve and beat them after more experience or go on to have an impressive resume?
I was in the wrong weight class, coming from cruiserweight to supermiddleweight will benefit me highly.
Re: O'Sullivan - Eubank (WBA full title eliminator) on Joshua - Whyte undercard
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Tam Seddon
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ross
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
Belief will take you so far........but a lot else needs to happen. Still , you keep believing in him if you like , while I'll stick to what ACTUALLY HAPPENS. ������
So you are willing to judge the future of his career on one fight?
So those other fighters I me tioned, their careers should be judged on those losses? Hopkins lost to a journeyman in his first fight.
Even Tam who liked your post has lost to some mediocre fighters. Does that mean Tam couldnt improve and beat them after more experience or go on to have an impressive resume?
I was in the wrong weight class, coming from cruiserweight to supermiddleweight will benefit me highly.
Can you not see my point though?
You were relaively inexperienced as was Eubank. Eubank came very close to beating Saunders and one odf the judges though he did. With more experience he can improve and beat Saunders. Im sure even with the weight dissparity you could face those same fighters and beat them.
Re: O'Sullivan - Eubank (WBA full title eliminator) on Joshua - Whyte undercard
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Primo Carnera
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ross
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erics44
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Dark Lord Al
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"GGG would knock me out" stated Billy Joe Saunders .
"However" he continued.
"boxing is about levels, we all know that ,and I do hold a win over Eubank Jr lets not forget that!"
"GGG is a great fighter and champion"
Saunders is weak minded and that statement will come back to haunt him should he beat Lee.
Weak minded yes , strong minded and talented enough to beat the likes of Eubank - yes.
Saunders is realistic and honest and should be applauded for being truthful, Who believes Junior when he says he wants to fight GGG?
all that might be true
not something that draws the crowds tho and gets people talking
i think saunders is a good fighter, hard to beat, very technical and i hope he does well, but im not rushing out to buy tickets for his world title fight thats taking place on my doorstep
whats the point? its not a real world title fight because as he states himself he would lose to teh real world champion
Imagine Warrens dilema should Saunders get a Golovkin fight.
Would he even bother trying to win the purse bid and get it in the UK? No he wouldnt because he knows those interviews where Saunders states multiple times hed get knocked out by Golovkin, or Golovkin would beat Saunders and Eubank in the same night would be played over and over in the media, social media, forums etc. it would kill any interest dead.
Saunders has made it very hard for himself to ever be considered the best now. I think he could be a difficult opponent for Golovkin but is he going to be a saleable opponent now? Is he fuck! Even Golovkins team will be hoping they dont have to deal with him because no one would have any interest in that fight.
Eubank however will become a great opponent. Hes just like his dad at the moment. Some people think hes exciting and dont want to miss his fights. Others think hes arrogant and cant miss seeing him get beaten. Hes generating interest, unlike Saunders who who people are applauding for having no belief, pulling out of fights and taking step aside money.
Very long and Concisely put point. But fights are fought in the ring and although you're clearly more interested in the hype and talk that surrounds it ,
it's what happens in the ring that counts. And so far, what happened in the ring was that Saunders beat Eubank and Saunders knows that at the moment neither he or "Cwistopher" are anywhere near GGG's level.
Seeing as he beat Eubank, I think he's a pretty decent judge of that.
you know what mate, that just isnt true
saunders beat eubank recently
eubank probably already earns more money than saunders
eubank beats saunders out of the ring every day
Re: O'Sullivan - Eubank (WBA full title eliminator) on Joshua - Whyte undercard
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ross
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Tam Seddon
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ross
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
Belief will take you so far........but a lot else needs to happen. Still , you keep believing in him if you like , while I'll stick to what ACTUALLY HAPPENS. ������
So you are willing to judge the future of his career on one fight?
So those other fighters I me tioned, their careers should be judged on those losses? Hopkins lost to a journeyman in his first fight.
Even Tam who liked your post has lost to some mediocre fighters. Does that mean Tam couldnt improve and beat them after more experience or go on to have an impressive resume?
I was in the wrong weight class, coming from cruiserweight to supermiddleweight will benefit me highly.
Can you not see my point though?
You were relaively inexperienced as was Eubank. Eubank came very close to beating Saunders and one odf the judges though he did. With more experience he can improve and beat Saunders. Im sure even with the weight dissparity you could face those same fighters and beat them.
My problem was I was too small in a big division. Ive done better and will do better at 12 stone. But still fighting good level fighters.
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Re: O'Sullivan - Eubank (WBA full title eliminator) on Joshua - Whyte undercard
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Tam Seddon
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ross
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Originally Posted by
Tam Seddon
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Originally Posted by
ross
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
Belief will take you so far........but a lot else needs to happen. Still , you keep believing in him if you like , while I'll stick to what ACTUALLY HAPPENS. ������
So you are willing to judge the future of his career on one fight?
So those other fighters I me tioned, their careers should be judged on those losses? Hopkins lost to a journeyman in his first fight.
Even Tam who liked your post has lost to some mediocre fighters. Does that mean Tam couldnt improve and beat them after more experience or go on to have an impressive resume?
I was in the wrong weight class, coming from cruiserweight to supermiddleweight will benefit me highly.
Can you not see my point though?
You were relaively inexperienced as was Eubank. Eubank came very close to beating Saunders and one odf the judges though he did. With more experience he can improve and beat Saunders. Im sure even with the weight dissparity you could face those same fighters and beat them.
My problem was I was too small in a big division. Ive done better and will do better at 12 stone. But still fighting good level fighters.
What baffles me is How does Ross know that they were mediocre fighters? much respect to you Tam, just for getting down to 12 stone regardless of how you do. ;D
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Primo Carnera
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Tam Seddon
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ross
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Originally Posted by
Tam Seddon
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Originally Posted by
ross
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
Belief will take you so far........but a lot else needs to happen. Still , you keep believing in him if you like , while I'll stick to what ACTUALLY HAPPENS. ������
So you are willing to judge the future of his career on one fight?
So those other fighters I me tioned, their careers should be judged on those losses? Hopkins lost to a journeyman in his first fight.
Even Tam who liked your post has lost to some mediocre fighters. Does that mean Tam couldnt improve and beat them after more experience or go on to have an impressive resume?
I was in the wrong weight class, coming from cruiserweight to supermiddleweight will benefit me highly.
Can you not see my point though?
You were relaively inexperienced as was Eubank. Eubank came very close to beating Saunders and one odf the judges though he did. With more experience he can improve and beat Saunders. Im sure even with the weight dissparity you could face those same fighters and beat them.
My problem was I was too small in a big division. Ive done better and will do better at 12 stone. But still fighting good level fighters.
What baffles me is How does Ross know that they were mediocre fighters? much respect to you Tam, just for getting down to 12 stone regardless of how you do. ;D
From 17 stone 5 to 12 stone nearly. Im 12 stone 4 at the mo, but im not fighting till December 7th in Malta.
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Primo Carnera
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Tam Seddon
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ross
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Originally Posted by
Tam Seddon
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Originally Posted by
ross
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
Belief will take you so far........but a lot else needs to happen. Still , you keep believing in him if you like , while I'll stick to what ACTUALLY HAPPENS. ������
So you are willing to judge the future of his career on one fight?
So those other fighters I me tioned, their careers should be judged on those losses? Hopkins lost to a journeyman in his first fight.
Even Tam who liked your post has lost to some mediocre fighters. Does that mean Tam couldnt improve and beat them after more experience or go on to have an impressive resume?
I was in the wrong weight class, coming from cruiserweight to supermiddleweight will benefit me highly.
Can you not see my point though?
You were relaively inexperienced as was Eubank. Eubank came very close to beating Saunders and one odf the judges though he did. With more experience he can improve and beat Saunders. Im sure even with the weight dissparity you could face those same fighters and beat them.
My problem was I was too small in a big division. Ive done better and will do better at 12 stone. But still fighting good level fighters.
What baffles me is How does Ross know that they were mediocre fighters? much respect to you Tam, just for getting down to 12 stone regardless of how you do. ;D
White collar boxers? Check em out. They are just ticket sellers and income generators for enterprising trainers/budding promoters. Im sure Tam would agree most wouldnt even reach regional amateur
Tournament level, let alone get in the finals of the regionals.
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ross
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Primo Carnera
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Tam Seddon
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Originally Posted by
ross
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Originally Posted by
Tam Seddon
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Originally Posted by
ross
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
Belief will take you so far........but a lot else needs to happen. Still , you keep believing in him if you like , while I'll stick to what ACTUALLY HAPPENS. ������
So you are willing to judge the future of his career on one fight?
So those other fighters I me tioned, their careers should be judged on those losses? Hopkins lost to a journeyman in his first fight.
Even Tam who liked your post has lost to some mediocre fighters. Does that mean Tam couldnt improve and beat them after more experience or go on to have an impressive resume?
I was in the wrong weight class, coming from cruiserweight to supermiddleweight will benefit me highly.
Can you not see my point though?
You were relaively inexperienced as was Eubank. Eubank came very close to beating Saunders and one odf the judges though he did. With more experience he can improve and beat Saunders. Im sure even with the weight dissparity you could face those same fighters and beat them.
My problem was I was too small in a big division. Ive done better and will do better at 12 stone. But still fighting good level fighters.
What baffles me is How does Ross know that they were mediocre fighters? much respect to you Tam, just for getting down to 12 stone regardless of how you do. ;D
White collar boxers? Check em out. They are just ticket sellers and income generators for enterprising trainers/budding promoters. Im sure Tam would agree most wouldnt even reach regional amateur
Tournament level, let alone get in the finals of the regionals.
Well last couple of guys I boxed were former pros. One boxed for the Turkish National team and had over 200 fights for them and last lad I boxed has had over 300 fights. Both good standard.
Re: O'Sullivan - Eubank (WBA full title eliminator) on Joshua - Whyte undercard
and boxed two lads in between that one had 100 fights and other was 12-0 and is turning pro soon.
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Eubank Junior is going to go on and on about Golovkin like his dad did about Roy Jones with about as much chance of him fighting Golovkin as there was of his dad fighting Jones. He's still a work in progress and there's no guarantee he'll even be able to mix it at world level yet. If he actually manages to beat two or three guys of the Lee/Quillin/Lemieux level then he's worth putting in with Golovkin. He won't do better than anybody else has though.
Re: O'Sullivan - Eubank (WBA full title eliminator) on Joshua - Whyte undercard
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Tam Seddon
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ross
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Primo Carnera
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Tam Seddon
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ross
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Originally Posted by
Tam Seddon
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Originally Posted by
ross
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
Belief will take you so far........but a lot else needs to happen. Still , you keep believing in him if you like , while I'll stick to what ACTUALLY HAPPENS. ������
So you are willing to judge the future of his career on one fight?
So those other fighters I me tioned, their careers should be judged on those losses? Hopkins lost to a journeyman in his first fight.
Even Tam who liked your post has lost to some mediocre fighters. Does that mean Tam couldnt improve and beat them after more experience or go on to have an impressive resume?
I was in the wrong weight class, coming from cruiserweight to supermiddleweight will benefit me highly.
Can you not see my point though?
You were relaively inexperienced as was Eubank. Eubank came very close to beating Saunders and one odf the judges though he did. With more experience he can improve and beat Saunders. Im sure even with the weight dissparity you could face those same fighters and beat them.
My problem was I was too small in a big division. Ive done better and will do better at 12 stone. But still fighting good level fighters.
What baffles me is How does Ross know that they were mediocre fighters? much respect to you Tam, just for getting down to 12 stone regardless of how you do. ;D
White collar boxers? Check em out. They are just ticket sellers and income generators for enterprising trainers/budding promoters. Im sure Tam would agree most wouldnt even reach regional amateur
Tournament level, let alone get in the finals of the regionals.
Well last couple of guys I boxed were former pros. One boxed for the Turkish National team and had over 200 fights for them and last lad I boxed has had over 300 fights. Both good standard.
Former pros doesnt really mean a great deal. What sort of level did they mix in? Thats the important bit. Ok the Turkish national fighter and the lad with over 300 bouts, they have experience but there are amateur lads here in Guernsey with over 60 bouts but they are still losing to lads with less than half their bouts. Some lads just love boxing but they are no better than mediocre. Mediocre doesnt mean bad or terrible! It just means they are average in the big scheme of things when you judge against someone of a top level.
Im not trying to offend you Tam but any of those lads in white collar if they were to face Eubank as shit as he is they would have their ears boxed off.
