Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds : Pacquiao Morales III

Well let me ask you this . How do you compare the condition of Barrera in the Pac fight to that of his condition against Nas. In 1 fight he was toned and in the other he was flabby . I wont say which 1 was which ;)

It makes good business sense to keep the fight on the boil so he gets more $ for it rather than going in with Pac when people just saw him get skooled by Marquez . Barrera knows what he's doing and the fact that so many people are jumping on the Manny bandwagon now , Barrera stands to gain more props when he does beat the Flip fighter . It will make perfect sense , you just havent seen the completed picture yet .

> Really now? How come you know what Barrera is thinking? Are you his close friend? are you his manager? Perhaps your a relative? Or perhaps you have a crystal ball somewhere or a device that could tap into people's thought.

Wow amazing ;)

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WOW just watched it...

Morales showed great heart with his attack on Pacquiao after his first knock down.

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Not only that but series of punches that Morales lands on PAC before the final knockdown, shet!!! Pacquiao shook them off and continued punching..... I thought surely, PAC would stagger but no he kinda stepped back but then threw his punches.....

A fight with MAB, would be interesting. Would MAB try to outbox PAC or would he go into the mouth of the lion and go toe to toe?
Very interesting match up, IMO but I personally would rather see JMM vs. MAB..... IMO better matchup style wise.....

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No, Pac: Barrera is what we should see next...

JMM vMAB is interesting but its not quite the same match up...

If MAB beats Pac, then maybe that could be the curtain closer ;) ;D

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The only rematch he had str8 away after lossing was with junior jones..

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OK my mistake i keep on forgetting he got the nod in the first Juarez fight but he did have to chase a reluctent Morales up the weights to get it... but he wanted it ;)

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It makes good business sense to keep the fight on the boil so he gets more $

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3 years is a loooooonnnng boiling time.... better hurry up before theres no water left in the kettle.

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Well let me ask you this . How do you compare the condition of Barrera in the Pac fight to that of his condition against Nas

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looks ok to me before he tasted the power :) ...
http://www.mannypacquiao.ph/gallery/...01/mab_pac.jpg

http://www.mannypacquiao.ph/gallery/...bpacweigh6.jpg

http://www.mannypacquiao.ph/gallery/.../10001/mab.jpg

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just saw him get skooled by Marquez

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yeah that first round was a hell of a lesson ;D

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Originally Posted by Saddo

WOW just watched it...

Morales showed great heart with his attack on Pacquiao after his first knock down.

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Not only that but series of punches that Morales lands on PAC before the final knockdown, shet!!! Pacquiao shook them off and continued punching..... I thought surely, PAC would stagger but no he kinda stepped back but then threw his punches.....

A fight with MAB, would be interesting. Would MAB try to outbox PAC or would he go into the mouth of the lion and go toe to toe?
Very interesting match up, IMO but I personally would rather see JMM vs. MAB..... IMO better matchup style wise.....

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No, Pac: Barrera is what we should see next...

JMM vMAB is interesting but its not quite the same match up...

If MAB beats Pac, then maybe that could be the curtain closer ;) ;D

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Yeah!! I can see that happening to be honest whatever 2007 brings to us in this great fight off of Super Feathers I'm sure it WILL be great...

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Originally Posted by Saddo

WOW just watched it...

Morales showed great heart with his attack on Pacquiao after his first knock down.

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Not only that but series of punches that Morales lands on PAC before the final knockdown, shet!!! Pacquiao shook them off and continued punching..... I thought surely, PAC would stagger but no he kinda stepped back but then threw his punches.....

A fight with MAB, would be interesting. Would MAB try to outbox PAC or would he go into the mouth of the lion and go toe to toe?
Very interesting match up, IMO but I personally would rather see JMM vs. MAB..... IMO better matchup style wise.....

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Erik is a class act mate no doubt... just past his best ;)

JMM vs. MAB why hasnt this fight happened already... not slating anyone just wondering ???

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Originally Posted by Saddo

WOW just watched it...

Morales showed great heart with his attack on Pacquiao after his first knock down.

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Not only that but series of punches that Morales lands on PAC before the final knockdown, shet!!! Pacquiao shook them off and continued punching..... I thought surely, PAC would stagger but no he kinda stepped back but then threw his punches.....

A fight with MAB, would be interesting. Would MAB try to outbox PAC or would he go into the mouth of the lion and go toe to toe?
Very interesting match up, IMO but I personally would rather see JMM vs. MAB..... IMO better matchup style wise.....

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Erik is a class act mate no doubt... just past his best ;)

JMM vs. MAB why hasnt this fight happened already... not slating anyone just wondering ???

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Come on mate don't tell me you didn't read and or hear about this.....
Before the MAB vs. NAZ fight unvailed JMM offered to fight NAZ and NAZ turned it down. JMM then turned around and offered to fight MAB and MAB also turned down the fight....
The IBO belt was vacant at that time and JMM had been accepted to fight for the title..... JMM has just had bad magnmt. and bad luck.... I mean whens the last time a fight has been on again off again 3 times??????

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Originally Posted by Saddo

WOW just watched it...

Morales showed great heart with his attack on Pacquiao after his first knock down.

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Not only that but series of punches that Morales lands on PAC before the final knockdown, shet!!! Pacquiao shook them off and continued punching..... I thought surely, PAC would stagger but no he kinda stepped back but then threw his punches.....

A fight with MAB, would be interesting. Would MAB try to outbox PAC or would he go into the mouth of the lion and go toe to toe?
Very interesting match up, IMO but I personally would rather see JMM vs. MAB..... IMO better matchup style wise.....

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Erik is a class act mate no doubt... just past his best ;)

JMM vs. MAB why hasnt this fight happened already... not slating anyone just wondering ???

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Come on mate don't tell me you didn't read and or hear about this.....
Before the MAB vs. NAZ fight unvailed JMM offered to fight NAZ and NAZ turned it down. JMM then turned around and offered to fight MAB and MAB also turned down the fight....
The IBO belt was vacant at that time and JMM had been accepted to fight for the title..... JMM has just had bad magnmt. and bad luck.... I mean whens the last time a fight has been on again off again 3 times??????

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yeah missed it mate i did hear that he offered to fight Naz and got ducked but didnt know about Barrera

Yeah!!
I mean within days of the NAZ offer he turned around and offered to fight MAB.... Luck fo the draw I guess, we'll see what 2007 brings him... To be honest as of late hes been getting hit too much and his defense is worrying me hopefully he can beat Jaca in style sat. 8)

As usual, I've got the pre-fight analysis of the fight almost to the tee! So here's my post-fight thoughts on this fight.

I stated on my main analysis of this fight on page 5 here at the Wacko's, that Erik would be going for an all-out attack aiming for a KO, and on page 6 I've stated that he was definitely going for a kamikaze attack which he did. In fact, I warned Mr. Roach on my thread at Pacman's main website the Pacland with the titled 'Mr. Roach, beware of Erik's kamikaze attack!'

But why did I make such a bold prediction? It's because I thought Erik knew he would not be able to withstand Pacman for 12 rounds (although if he ever did, I think he might have won by a decision). Why? 1st, it's because he just can't stop Pacman's punches, it's just too fast for any boxer more so at this time. It's not, as E. Stewart puts it, 'no defense at all,' but it's simply because Morales can't see it coming - that's why he got hit over and over again. Pac's 123 combos are the fastest today, which he can complete in less than a second with a head jerking power. (Imagine something coming at you in 3 rapid succession in less than a second, do you think you can stop it?) And second, Erik has shown to have a naturally weak legs, especially during a long, gruelling fights; remember he went down on his knees on the 1st Barrera fight? and also during his first fight with Pacman, I saw his legs struggling on the 12th round when he foolishly went showboating. Therefore, Erik has no chance except take his chance and go for an all-out attack and aim for an early KO, which he did. But I knew if he did, he would be facing the wrath of Pacman at his strongest stage in a fight, which I think is around the first five rounds. Remember Pacman retaliated heavily on the second round of the second fight almost sending Erik to the canvas, believe me that was no fluke. So I thought if Erik forced Manny to an early slugfest, he might be a goner much earlier. That's why I said on my 'last thought' on page 9 that 'I won't be surprised if the KO came even earlier this time' but I didn't imagine it would come so soon; I actually thought it would be at around the 6th round.

And finally, I boldly stated on page 5 that when motivation (Erik) clashes with confidence (Pacquiao), confidence usually invariably wins. That's because there will always be a fear lurking somewhere deep in Erik's mind that he can go again. You all saw how unlike his usual self, he gave up early this time; that's simply because he feels, and rightly so, he can't win.

That's it folks, I hope you learned something here and believe me, this Pacfan - as foolish as he may seem most of the time - knows his boxing.

And to anyone who says Barrera can beat Pacman, forget it! It's time for honorable retirement for another great Mexican warrior. Let others take the revenge.

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And to anyone who says Barrera can beat Pacman, forget it!  It's time for honorable retirement for another great Mexican warrior.  Let others take the revenge.

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agreed pac has really got me hooked now he has power speed excellent fighter and i feel hed be way too much for barrera but i would like to see barrera vs pac rematch to be honest maybe not his next fight but sometime in the future

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WOW just watched it...

Morales showed great heart with his attack on Pacquiao after his first knock down.

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Not only that but series of punches that Morales lands on PAC before the final knockdown, shet!!! Pacquiao shook them off and continued punching..... I thought surely, PAC would stagger but no he kinda stepped back but then threw his punches.....

A fight with MAB, would be interesting. Would MAB try to outbox PAC or would he go into the mouth of the lion and go toe to toe?
Very interesting match up, IMO but I personally would rather see JMM vs. MAB..... IMO better matchup style wise.....

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Erik is a class act mate no doubt... just past his best ;)

JMM vs. MAB why hasnt this fight happened already... not slating anyone just wondering ???

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Come on mate don't tell me you didn't read and or hear about this.....
Before the MAB vs. NAZ fight unvailed JMM offered to fight NAZ and NAZ turned it down. JMM then turned around and offered to fight MAB and MAB also turned down the fight....
The IBO belt was vacant at that time and JMM had been accepted to fight for the title..... JMM has just had bad magnmt. and bad luck.... I mean whens the last time a fight has been on again off again 3 times??????

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I think that was reversed. JMM did offer Naz a bunch of opportunities and Naz turned them down, but Naz offered JMM a fight before the Barerra one and JMM turned him down.

Thats the story I read in a boxing magazine in an article called "Juan Manuel Marquez: The Avoided One"

I just read a classic line by Johny Benz..

"The Pacman who showed up had a lite wick up his ass and Dynamite in his fists. He saturated Morales with TNT."

priceless... ;D

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3 years is a loooooonnnng boiling time.... better hurry up before theres no water left in the kettle.

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Plenty of time . It will happen in 07 when Barrera wants it . He calls the shots

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looks ok to me before he tasted the power :) ...

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Nah he looked far better against Hamed and he started focused in that 1 . Againt Pac he came out lazy . Much like Lewis -Rahman but flukes happen in boxing and they get corrected in the rematch ;)

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yeah that first round was a hell of a lesson ;D

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Are you suggesting that Pac should have won based on the 1st round . What about the following 11 . Surely you know that Pac got outboxed in that fight

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3 years is a loooooonnnng boiling time.... better hurry up before theres no water left in the kettle.

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Plenty of time . It will happen in 07 when Barrera wants it . He calls the shots

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looks ok to me before he tasted the power :) ...

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Nah he looked far better against Hamed and he started focused in that 1 . Againt Pac he came out lazy . Much like Lewis -Rahman but flukes happen in boxing and they get corrected in the rematch ;)

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yeah that first round was a hell of a lesson ;D

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Are you suggesting that Pac should have won based on the 1st round . What about the following 11 . Surely you know that Pac got outboxed in that fight

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oh come on game i like barrera but pac defeat was no fluke thats just ridiculous

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3 years is a loooooonnnng boiling time.... better hurry up before theres no water left in the kettle.

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Plenty of time . It will happen in 07 when Barrera wants it . He calls the shots

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looks ok to me before he tasted the power :) ...

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Nah he looked far better against Hamed and he started focused in that 1 . Againt Pac he came out lazy . Much like Lewis -Rahman but flukes happen in boxing and they get corrected in the rematch ;)

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yeah that first round was a hell of a lesson ;D

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Are you suggesting that Pac should have won based on the 1st round . What about the following 11 . Surely you know that Pac got outboxed in that fight

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oh come on game i like barrera but pac defeat was no fluke thats just ridiculous

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I suppose time will tell . What im saying is Pac wasnt beating a prime Marco that night . Manny went on to get outboxed by Marquez and Morales , two inferior Mexicans so how could he beat the best Mexican ? cuz Barrera wasnt focused that night thats why .

We can go round and round in circles but all that matters is the rematch . Im saying Barrera UD . You can go and put all ya life savings on Pac if you are so sure the 1st 1 wasnt a fluke

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3 years is a loooooonnnng boiling time.... better hurry up before theres no water left in the kettle.

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Plenty of time . It will happen in 07 when Barrera wants it . He calls the shots

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looks ok to me before he tasted the power :) ...

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Nah he looked far better against Hamed and he started focused in that 1 . Againt Pac he came out lazy . Much like Lewis -Rahman but flukes happen in boxing and they get corrected in the rematch ;)

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yeah that first round was a hell of a lesson ;D

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Are you suggesting that Pac should have won based on the 1st round . What about the following 11 . Surely you know that Pac got outboxed in that fight

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oh come on game i like barrera but pac defeat was no fluke thats just ridiculous

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I suppose time will tell . What im saying is Pac wasnt beating a prime Marco that night . Manny went on to get outboxed by Marquez and Morales , two inferior Mexicans so how could he beat the best Mexican ? cuz Barrera wasnt focused that night thats why .

We can go round and round in circles but all that matters is the rematch . Im saying Barrera UD . You can go and put all ya life savings on Pac if you are so sure the 1st 1 wasnt a fluke

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what ever happens don't put your life savings on Barrera mate ;)

Barrera met Manny at Super Bantamweight and in the last 3 years Pac has carried his power and settled nicely into a Featherweight.

I am a big EM fan and am very surprised that he lost the way he did. But big PROPS to Pac for what he did. He proved that he is on a different level than the current Morales. Surprised that it happened as soon as it did. I always knew that if it ended early it would be Pac and if it went the distance it would be EM.

As far as Pac-vs-MAB I think I would slightly favor Pac. MAB is a GOAT, but styles make fights and I think Pac has the style to beat MAB again. Pac is no longer one dimensional and has improved his arsenal, which only makes him more dangerous.

GAME youre saying barrera is past his prime when pac beat him
so how come he's gonna win against a prime pac when hes shot 3 years ago?
and your making an excuse that he came unprepared for that fight
should this be an excuse? or a compliment? YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF IT
i thought fighters who slack-off were hated?
:puke:_________ mab
and man pac is no naz
speed and style and pressure and power and heart and INTIMIDATION
if i have to choose between EM and MAB on who fears pac
then it has to be barrera, the guy cant even call him out even after post fight
interviews he always says "i'll do whatever my promoter oscar dela hoya wants me to do"
i thought hes badass ??? hes a fwockin coward
great fighters always rise to the occassion when they face adversities
it happens most of the time when they're against lesser opponents
and pac is no less opponent especially NOW
and btw, EM has a much stronger chin than your man barrera

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Barrera met Manny at Super Bantamweight and in the last 3 years Pac has carried his power and settled nicely into a Featherweight.

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they fought at 126 and im pretty sure ;)
this is when the Ring magazine crowned him
as the best featerweight on the planet

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Pac by KO. The fans will not be booing 8)

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But i am definately sad to hear that it only took 3 rounds.
As unshamefull as it is, i still feel gutted :-\

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if i have to choose between EM and MAB on who fears pac
then it has to be barrera, the guy cant even call him out even after post fight
interviews he always says "i'll do whatever my promoter oscar dela hoya wants me to do"
i thought hes badass ??? hes a fwockin coward

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You gotta be kidding calling MAB a coward. Please. He's a true warrior in the great Mexican tradition. The rematch is going to be made now that Pac has finished off EM, just like the rematch got made with Juarez when that left a bad taste in peoples' mouths. Just like the trilogy got made with EM. And you might have noticed that when Larry Merchant asked Pac what was next he said "I'll do whatever my promotion company tells me to do." Doesn't make him a coward either. MAB, EM, Pac--none of these guys are cowards. But just so you're straight on this: MAB's also not the one who looked at his daddy and said "no mas" in the third round.

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great fighters always rise to the occassion when they face adversities
it happens most of the time when they're against lesser opponents

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Yeah, like when MAB rose to the occasion 2 out of 3 against a certain lesser fellow mexican fighter from tijuana.

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and btw, EM has a much stronger chin than your man barrera

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Uh.... I guarantee you that no matter what happens, Pac ain't KO'ing MAB in three rounds. Believe that.

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And to anyone who says Barrera can beat Pacman, forget it! It's time for honorable retirement for another great Mexican warrior. Let others take the revenge.

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Agreed...100%.

Being a Barrera fan I can honestly say that he should run like hell.

I would like to see Pac Marquez II though.

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Pac has been K.O'd in a couple rounds twice , a NC with Sanchez . A draw with Marquexz which I think he lost then he got beat by Morales . Are his excuses for those losses legit ? He beats up on a faded fighter twice and everyone gets carried away but Raheem skooled Erik too surley with hindsight you can see that this wasnt a prime Morales . Maybe im being blind but from what I can see Pac has to prove it against Guzman,Barrios etc not a guy coming off 3 out of 4 losses .

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You suffer from what many boxing fans ail from...no one's good enough. There will always be someone else out there to beat the man...& that's bullshit...but everyone is entitled to an opinion.

Morales wasn't faded so badly that he couldnt beat him the first time...& that's that. Barrera nor Marquez weren't faded either. Pac is already in the upper eshelon now...Guzman & Barrios are just new names.Manny still hsto iron some thn

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I can see you are not much of a Barrera fan but you cant deny he has surprised many throughout his career . Pac is a strong , fit fighter with more left in teh tank at this stage but if he thinks he'll be facing teh same Marco again he'll be very much surprised. Look at the difference in the two Rocky fights . Metal plate , weight draining, socks etc . Doesnt matter what excuses you use Barrera will put it right next time. Pac is a furious fighter and Erik played right into his hands this morning . Lets see what happens in the Barrera rematch eh . There have been bigger shocks

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Your'e blind babe. Bottom line. You make assumptions about me off of one post & quite often you do it one opinion at the time. I am not a PacFan...but I do recognize his abiliites & what he's doing, done, & will do. Barrera is one of my all time favorites....but I truly believe that Pac has his number...if Juarez can get that close to a win...Barrera get's gobbled up by Manny a second time. That doesn't make me less of a fan...just realistic.

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3 years is a loooooonnnng boiling time.... better hurry up before theres no water left in the kettle.

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Plenty of time . It will happen in 07 when Barrera wants it . He calls the shots

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Nah he looked far better against Hamed and he started focused in that 1 . Againt Pac he came out lazy . Much like Lewis -Rahman but flukes happen in boxing and they get corrected in the rematch  ;)

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yeah that first round was a hell of a lesson  ;D

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Are you suggesting that Pac should have won based on the 1st round . What about the following 11 . Surely you know that Pac got outboxed in that fight

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oh come on game i like barrera but pac defeat was no fluke thats just ridiculous

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I suppose time will tell . What im saying is Pac wasnt beating a prime Marco that night . Manny went on to get outboxed by Marquez and Morales , two inferior Mexicans so how could he beat the best Mexican ? cuz Barrera wasnt focused that night thats why .

We can go round and round in circles but all that matters is the rematch . Im saying Barrera UD . You can go and put all ya life savings on Pac if you are so sure the 1st fight wasnt a fluke

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i wouldnt bet my life savings because anything can happen like lucky punch but 1 st fight wasnt a fluke he dominated barrera a fluke is when ur ahead by about 8 rounds and u get hit with lucky punch and ur counted out thats a fluke not dominating ur opponent forcing the corner to stop the fight and same as wacko im not big pac fan but im liking him more and more now with his excellent skills and ect dont get me wrong i like barrera i gave him alot of props for beating naz

What ever you people say it is clear if anyone wants to prove he's the best fighter in the 130 pounds class they must go through pacman.

all road in the 130 pounds weight class leads to pacman.

Hairdoo - You are WRONG . Barrera met Manny at featherweight not Superbantam . Check Boxrec

the_answer - I never said Barrera was past his prime when he lost to Pac . It was an off night . He just wasnt himself that night . The idiots wrote him off and said he was past his prime but he proved them wrong as he will again . You are right Pac is no Nas . Nas was undefeated whereas Pac has been k.o'd a couple times . Plus he was naturally bigger than Barrera . Erik has a stronger chin than Barrera ? Thats why when they met Barrera is the one who scored a knockdown .

Wacko - Keep calling me blind but maybe ive seen something you havent . Dont be deluded here . Pac was beating a warmed up corpse last night . Its all he's done since the Barrera fight . You think Barreras guna stand in punching range and employ suicidal tactics like Morales ? No way mate . Barrrera proved last time the difference between being focused and not focused against Juarez . Why do ya think the 1st one was so hard but the second 1 was easy . I respect your opinion but I do think its silly for you to write off a great like Barrera

Icecoldboxing - Maybe fluke is the wrong wording judging by how youve interpreted it . Off night is where things just didnt happen . He had an offnight against Juarez but it didnt mean he was past his prime . He put it right here in the return so he can do it again . How do you justify the reasons why he did so better in the return against Rocky ? Its easy cuz he was focused the second time and wasnt in the 1st fight . Same story with Pac

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Hairdoo -   You are WRONG . Barrera met Manny at featherweight not Superbantam . Check Boxrec

the_answer - Inever said Barrera was past his prime when he lost to Pac . It was an of night . He just wasnt himself that night . The idiots wrote him off and said he was past his prime but he proved them wrong as he will again . TYou are right Pac is no Nas . Nas was undefeated whereas Pac has been k.o'd a couple times . Plus he was naturally bigger than Barrera . Erik has a stronger chin than Barrera ? Thats why when they met Barrera is the one who scored a knockdown .

Wacko - Keep calling me blind but maybe ive seen something you havent . Dont be deluded here . Pac was beating a warmed up corpse last night . Its all he's done since the Barrera fight . You think Barreras guna stand in punching range and employ suicidal tactics like Morales ? No way mate . Barrrera proved last time teh difference between being focused and not focused against Juarez . Why do ya think the 1st one was so hard but the second 1 was easy . I respect your opinion but I do think its silly for you to write off a great like Barrera

Icecoldboxing - Maybe fluke is the wrong wording judging by how youve interpreted it . Off night is where things just didnt happen . He had a n offnight against Juarez but it didnt mean he was past his prime . He put it right here in the return so he can do it again . How do you justify the reasons why he did so better in teh return against Rocky ? Its easy cuz he was focused teh second time and wasnt in the 1st fight . Same story with Pac

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its because he boxed him in second fight pac is way better than rocky and barreras boxing tactics wouldnt work against pac i dont think anyway

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Hairdoo - You are WRONG . Barrera met Manny at featherweight not Superbantam . Check Boxrec

the_answer - Inever said Barrera was past his prime when he lost to Pac . It was an of night . He just wasnt himself that night . The idiots wrote him off and said he was past his prime but he proved them wrong as he will again . TYou are right Pac is no Nas . Nas was undefeated whereas Pac has been k.o'd a couple times . Plus he was naturally bigger than Barrera . Erik has a stronger chin than Barrera ? Thats why when they met Barrera is the one who scored a knockdown .

Wacko - Keep calling me blind but maybe ive seen something you havent . Dont be deluded here . Pac was beating a warmed up corpse last night . Its all he's done since the Barrera fight . You think Barreras guna stand in punching range and employ suicidal tactics like Morales ? No way mate . Barrrera proved last time teh difference between being focused and not focused against Juarez . Why do ya think the 1st one was so hard but the second 1 was easy . I respect your opinion but I do think its silly for you to write off a great like Barrera

Icecoldboxing - Maybe fluke is the wrong wording judging by how youve interpreted it . Off night is where things just didnt happen . He had a n offnight against Juarez but it didnt mean he was past his prime . He put it right here in the return so he can do it again . How do you justify the reasons why he did so better in teh return against Rocky ? Its easy cuz he was focused teh second time and wasnt in the 1st fight . Same story with Pac

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its because he boxed him in second fight pac is way better than rocky and barreras boxing tactics wouldnt work against pac i dont think anyway

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You could be right mate CC as I say time will tell but the reason I think Barrera can pull it off is cuz Eriks style flattered Mannys strengths . Erik was standing in punching range , his defence was open and he was coming off a couple losses . Barrera however will be at a distance , have a water tight defence and he isnt coming off several losses . His ramrod jab will be in Mannys face and it will remind him of teh Marquez fight where he couldnt get to work .

Heres to a good fight :beerchug:

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Hairdoo -   You are WRONG . Barrera met Manny at featherweight not Superbantam . Check Boxrec

the_answer - Inever said Barrera was past his prime when he lost to Pac . It was an of night . He just wasnt himself that night . The idiots wrote him off and said he was past his prime but he proved them wrong as he will again . TYou are right Pac is no Nas . Nas was undefeated whereas Pac has been k.o'd a couple times . Plus he was naturally bigger than Barrera . Erik has a stronger chin than Barrera ? Thats why when they met Barrera is the one who scored a knockdown .

Wacko - Keep calling me blind but maybe ive seen something you havent . Dont be deluded here . Pac was beating a warmed up corpse last night . Its all he's done since the Barrera fight . You think Barreras guna stand in punching range and employ suicidal tactics like Morales ? No way mate . Barrrera proved last time teh difference between being focused and not focused against Juarez . Why do ya think the 1st one was so hard but the second 1 was easy . I respect your opinion but I do think its silly for you to write off a great like Barrera

Icecoldboxing - Maybe fluke is the wrong wording judging by how youve interpreted it . Off night is where things just didnt happen . He had a n offnight against Juarez but it didnt mean he was past his prime . He put it right here in the return so he can do it again . How do you justify the reasons why he did so better in teh return against Rocky ? Its easy cuz he was focused teh second time and wasnt in the 1st fight . Same story with Pac

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its because he boxed him in second fight pac is way better than rocky and barreras boxing tactics wouldnt work against pac i dont think anyway

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You could be right mate CC as I say time will tell but the reason I think Barrera can pull it off is cuz Eriks style flattered Mannys strengths . Erik was standing in punching range , his defence was open and he was coming off a couple losses . Barrera however will be at a distance , have a water tight defence and he isnt coming off several losses . His ramrod jab will be in Mannys face and it will remind him of teh Marquez fight where he couldnt get to work .

Heres to a good fight  :beerchug:

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cc back mate u see i love a debate where u can just talk to someone without scing and not having to name call we need more good debaters like u  ;D

PAC broke his left hand thats why JMM manage to have a draw...
"Barrera vs. PAC I" and "Juarez vs. Barrera I" You said it was Barrera's off night.
I'm wondering how many off nights will Barrera have in his career. What if "Barrera vs. PAC II" is also an off night for Barrera. LOL O0.Are you saying Barrera can only be defeated when its his off night. LOL.
Maybe the PAC-JMM fight was PAC's off night... what do you think???

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Originally Posted by GAME

Wacko - Keep calling me blind but maybe ive seen something you havent . Dont be deluded here . Pac was beating a warmed up corpse last night . Its all he's done since the Barrera fight . You think Barreras guna stand in punching range and employ suicidal tactics like Morales ? No way mate . Barrrera proved last time the difference between being focused and not focused against Juarez . Why do ya think the 1st one was so hard but the second 1 was easy . I respect your opinion but I do think its silly for you to write off a great like Barrera

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I'll keep saying your blind if you keep on making assumptions about what I say in one post.

I have stated in the past everywhere & elsewhere that I think Marquez & Barrera are the best Mex-men out there...but the fact is...JMM stood up to Pac the best & that is the fight that needs to be seen the most.

Pac shut Barrera out & Pac is now the man that runs the division...not Barrera.

All roads end at Pac for boxers & for fans now. He has made his statement & like him or not, fan of him or not, it's time everyone faced that fact.

As far as your statements about Pac fighting corpses...that's a joke. Morales wasn't a corpse, Marquez wasn't, nor was Larios. I don't write off anyone...I give them a shot...but the one who I give the shot the most too would be Marquez.

Barrera, in all reality, does not deserve the second chance...he got his ass handed to him the first time. Marquez got up & gutted it out like a warrior & won the match...bring on the rematch.

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Originally Posted by GAME

Hairdoo - You are WRONG . Barrera met Manny at featherweight not Superbantam . Check Boxrec

the_answer - Inever said Barrera was past his prime when he lost to Pac . It was an of night . He just wasnt himself that night . The idiots wrote him off and said he was past his prime but he proved them wrong as he will again . TYou are right Pac is no Nas . Nas was undefeated whereas Pac has been k.o'd a couple times . Plus he was naturally bigger than Barrera . Erik has a stronger chin than Barrera ? Thats why when they met Barrera is the one who scored a knockdown .

Wacko - Keep calling me blind but maybe ive seen something you havent . Dont be deluded here . Pac was beating a warmed up corpse last night . Its all he's done since the Barrera fight . You think Barreras guna stand in punching range and employ suicidal tactics like Morales ? No way mate . Barrrera proved last time teh difference between being focused and not focused against Juarez . Why do ya think the 1st one was so hard but the second 1 was easy . I respect your opinion but I do think its silly for you to write off a great like Barrera

Icecoldboxing - Maybe fluke is the wrong wording judging by how youve interpreted it . Off night is where things just didnt happen . He had a n offnight against Juarez but it didnt mean he was past his prime . He put it right here in the return so he can do it again . How do you justify the reasons why he did so better in teh return against Rocky ? Its easy cuz he was focused teh second time and wasnt in the 1st fight . Same story with Pac

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its because he boxed him in second fight pac is way better than rocky and barreras boxing tactics wouldnt work against pac i dont think anyway

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You could be right mate CC as I say time will tell but the reason I think Barrera can pull it off is cuz Eriks style flattered Mannys strengths . Erik was standing in punching range , his defence was open and he was coming off a couple losses . Barrera however will be at a distance , have a water tight defence and he isnt coming off several losses . His ramrod jab will be in Mannys face and it will remind him of teh Marquez fight where he couldnt get to work .

Heres to a good fight :beerchug:

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I agree with that, CC...

A second MAB: Pac fight will be a much tighter affair...It would be a safety first fight for MAB. No way would he adopt the sterategy Morales did this last weekend. Not a chance in hell. It would very well go the distance, no blow outs in 3 on this methinks!

Alright, this debate has gotten into the nerves of many people here including our gracious host Wacko so let me try to help out a bit. I can't believe you're still arguing this simple mathematic question. Let me try to put some sense to this. Ok, class, where shall we start. We'll start with the Juarez - Barrera fight. I analyzed this fight in the Wacko's J-B thread and I said that Juarez was not yet a first class fighter, though pretty good one, and that Barrera was having one of his off-nights. I said that if Barrera fought from the outside and kept Juarez at bay with his jabs and straights, he'll do fine, which he did despite my doubt. But Pacman is no Juarez, period! It's almost unfair to pit Barrera, who at around 33(?) years of age, has definitely lost some of his speed, power and stamina, against Pac who most probably has reached the peak of his power. Unlike Juarez, Pac can gobble up all the jabs of Barrera while giving him at least three of his power shots in return. Now here's your assignment: how long can Barrera take this at his age? Let me give you a clue: Erik can take only 3 rounds of it. Alright students, do your calculations, and if don't know your 'ritmatic, then get youself a calculator, and come back with your answer and if you got it right, I'll give you a star + just like in the grade school...

...How long can Barrera take that considering Eric can take only three rounds of those? I don't know but definitely it won't be for 11 long rounds like the first time when Barrera was stronger and when Pac's power had not yet reached its peak. I hope it's clear enough. Naw, I know it's impossible to argue with fans.

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And to anyone who says Barrera can beat Pacman, forget it! It's time for honorable retirement for another great Mexican warrior. Let others take the revenge.

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agreed pac has really got me hooked now he has power speed excellent fighter and i feel hed be way too much for barrera but i would like to see barrera vs pac rematch to be honest maybe not his next fight but sometime in the future

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(alright Ice cold boxing, you'll most likely get to see this fight)
...continued ...But no matter what logic we use, it's the fans who decide what fight they want and since there are lots of fans wanting this fight, no matter how we feel, it probably will happen (boy, fans can be cruel to the very ones they idolize and love). Though, I really doubt if Barrera wants this fight, he probably has no choice coz Pac is the number contender. But the more important reason would probably be 'the lure of fortune would simply be irresistable' - this might give Barrera and Pac their biggest paycheck yet... on the other hand, it might not happen considering the feud between Uncle Golden Boy and Uncle Bob. We shall see soon enough.

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Alright, this debate has gotten into the nerves of many people here including our gracious host Wacko so let me try to help out a bit. I can't believe you're still arguing this simple mathematic question. Let me try to put some sense to this. Ok, class, where shall we start. We'll start with the Juarez - Barrera fight. I analyzed this fight in the Wacko's J-B thread and I said that Juarez was not yet a first class fighter, though pretty good one, and that Barrera was having one of his off-nights. I said that if Barrera fought from the outside and kept Juarez at bay with his jabs and straights, he'll do fine, which he did despite my doubt. But Pacman is no Juarez, period! It's almost unfair to pit Barrera, who at around 33(?) years of age, has definitely lost some of his speed, power and stamina, against Pac who most probably has reached the peak of his power. Unlike Juarez, Pac can gobble up all the jabs of Barrera while giving him at least three of his power shots in return. Now here's your assignment: how long can Barrera take this at his age? Let me give you a clue: Erik can take only 3 rounds of it. Alright students, do your calculations, and if don't know your 'ritmatic, then get youself a calculator, and come back with your answer and if you got it right, I'll give you a star + just like in the grade school...

...How long can Barrera take that considering Eric can take only three rounds of those? I don't know but definitely it won't be for 11 long rounds like the first time when Barrera was stronger and when Pac's power had not yet reached its peak. I hope it's clear enough. Naw, I know it's impossible to argue with fans.

...BUT... I'll continue on the next reply coz I've got to quote someone...

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Nice posting, CC

Im not dissing pac in any way, shape nor form and nor would I do it to you of all people!! ;D

But I just think that Morales is obviously not the fighter he was and his strategy was very, very wrong....Pac looked so great because Morales was not as good as he has been in the past. Pac has improved but Morales has declined and at the same time fought the worst possible fight strategically.

Barrera is able to box and resist a brawl. Larios took Pac 12 rounds and he was a smaller guy. He was thoroughly outboxed but he doesnt have the skills Barrera possesses. Barrera with the right strategy can make it a very competitive fight.

It will be tougher than beating a Morales who has been out nearly a year and came back against the same guy he stopped him last time out...

If I say he was not that serious with Larios, you wouldn't believe me, of course. CC back to you, brod, no problem with me. ;)

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If I say he was not that serious with Larios, you wouldn't believe me, of course. CC back to you, brod, no problem with me. ;)

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Perhaps ;D

Lets wait and see if this fight even comes off...may well just be a fight fans dream...

I said earlier in this thread that Morales would lose fast ;)
Your never the same fighter after you go through it like he did with Barrera..Never!
Pacman imo is now the most exciting fighter in the world bar none 8)
Pure entertainment in EVERY fight.

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Originally Posted by GAME

Wacko - Keep calling me blind but maybe ive seen something you havent . Dont be deluded here . Pac was beating a warmed up corpse last night . Its all he's done since the Barrera fight . You think Barreras guna stand in punching range and employ suicidal tactics like Morales ? No way mate . Barrrera proved last time the difference between being focused and not focused against Juarez . Why do ya think the 1st one was so hard but the second 1 was easy . I respect your opinion but I do think its silly for you to write off a great like Barrera

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I'll keep saying your blind if you keep on making assumptions about what I say in one post.

I have stated in the past everywhere & elsewhere that I think Marquez & Barrera are the best Mex-men out there...but the fact is...JMM stood up to Pac the best & that is the fight that needs to be seen the most.

Pac shut Barrera out & Pac is now the man that runs the division...not Barrera.

All roads end at Pac for boxers & for fans now. He has made his statement & like him or not, fan of him or not, it's time everyone faced that fact.

As far as your statements about Pac fighting corpses...that's a joke. Morales wasn't a corpse, Marquez wasn't, nor was Larios. I don't write off anyone...I give them a shot...but the one who I give the shot the most too would be Marquez.

Barrera, in all reality, does not deserve the second chance...he got his a** handed to him the first time. Marquez got up & gutted it out like a warrior & won the match...bring on the rematch.

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Well if you wana see Pac - Marquez 2 then you are in the minority cuz the rest of the boxing world wants to see the Barrera rematch

As for fighting corpses , I cant understand why you refuse to accept Erik is done . What more proof do you need . Pacs been fighting fighters on the way down , like Larios and Morales . Like it or not thats a fact . He hasnt mixed it with a live opponent for a while and when he did I felt he lost to Marquez

As for Barrera not deserving a rematch ? He's the world champ ! He calls the shots . Since Nov 03 Barrera has unified world titles winning everything . Pac failed in his attempt against JMM and a loss to Morales followed so he is in a position of working his way back up which he has done in many peoples eyes by beating Erik . But all i'm saying is dont read too much into that cuz Erik was done a year ago and it will be a different story entirely when he faces Barrera

I hope we see MAB Pac2 just to end all these arguments. I'll add my opinion in saying I can see both sides of the coin.....

Pac did thrash MAB the first time and I think,since he has improved since then whereas MAB has fought nowhere the same level of competition,that Pac would be hot favourite in a rematch.

HOWEVER,I do believe,being a big MAB fan,that defintely was not the same MAB that night. The training camp disruption due to the forest fire,metal plate in his head,split from long time manager plus a bit if underestimation on his part would lead one to believe that it certainly was NOT the best of MAB BUT.....

The way which he got beaten,when he realised that he could not war with the younger man,he did try to box a bit and Pac whooped him even more. The manner of the beating coupled with the fact that MAB has not been to war properly for a long long time and I don't think he would be able to hold off Pac leads me to believe that Pac would batter him again but I'd like to be wrong and I would certainly be cheering for MAB if the fight were to occur.

As an MAB fan,I remember how much he struggled with Juarez the first time,and Pac is better than Rocky in every catgeory. Secondly, YES,MAB did outbox Rocky the second time but Juarez does not apply anywhere near the same amount of pressure as Manny and I don't think it is possible to fight Pacquaio without engaging in some toe to toe at some stage. I don't see MAB jolding him off with just a jab and a few hooks,no way.