I haven't seen much of your posts but you know how to debate and you have good knowledge and backed your facts up very well SLK was just desperate.Quote:
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I haven't seen much of your posts but you know how to debate and you have good knowledge and backed your facts up very well SLK was just desperate.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle
Well don't stop bud.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
My question is, when your the pound for pound best in the world, do you even need to sh!t talk???
It just shows what a twat he actually is, and if he ever grew up and joined his peers, he could be remembered as a great man as well as a great boxer...
Who the hell wants to be remembered as a w@nker that could throw punches? If his boxing skills didn't prove otherwise, i'd swear he had some sort of mental handicap..
Does this look like a man who's affected by Floyds smack talk? ;D
Still Betcha itl be an extra ultra aggresive start by Hatton on December 8th.
Is it Just me or is Hatton looking Fat faced in all these recent pictures??
He is indeed, and at the Matthew Macklin fight in Dublin last month he had a bit of weight on and his forearms looked flabby. But he hasn't actually put on that much weight and even more importantly his face shows no sign of puffines due to alcohol or heavy eating.
I've been thinking that same thing every time i've seen him,,, in the past 2 years. He just has that sort of big round head... He eats a huge oily english bacon, eggs, sausages, mushroom breakfast on the morning of all his fights.. Maybe he's just being having a few more of those lately.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tins06
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I think it is going to be a freakin great fight though.
Although I also think it'll be completely one sided if a) Hatton comes charging in from the start b) Floyd manages to land a few very good solid sharp jabs, or even a good right as Ricky comes in c) Hatton then has that hint of hesitation for the rest of the fight coming inside (read: not so fearless anymore) d) Floyd goes on to do what he does best for 9 out of 12 rounds. UD Finish.
Hatton will still attack even if the above happens, but he'll just lose that small edge that he's going to need to smother Floyd, which I think is his main chance of winning
You can see in Ricky's fight with Macgee (i think that's right), Macgee has his back on the ropes for most of the fight, but he finds a way to stop Ricky coming in as he pleases, and it really gives Ricky a lot of trouble.... And Macgee is certainly no Floyd.
If Ricky's plan of smothering Floyd doesn't come off, I hope he has another surprise up his sleave. I'm sure Floyd is really only going to be expecting the charging bull that is Ricky Hatton...
Another factor to remember is that Mayweather superb defense is based upon lateral movement and hand movement rather than foot work. (Although i acknowledge the pretty boy has exceptional footwork too) However his primary defensive manoeuvers are the movements from the waist, his "Mayweather shell," and pivoting a spin to the right before moving away. This sees Mayweather often being located on the ropes, usually dazzling us with his movement and mesmerising blocking and parrying. However, on the ropes Ricky will be for one area body and chest, and the pretty boys style will actually allow hatton to set himself. Granted Mayweather will adapt, but the initial point is that with the correct volume and approach, Hatton can land.
He reckons he piles the weight on easily. He was on a womens talk show 2 weeks after the Castillo fight and he said he had already gained 33 lbs since the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tins06
I thought the same thing at the Detroit leg of the Mayweather-De La Hoya press conference. The way PBF overly moves his lips when he speaks it really looks like he's going to plop one right on the guy. And I must say, Mayweather has some of the nicest teeth I have EVER seen. I saw them up close when he was just speaking to people and they are very straight and extremely white. He probably has caps, but I don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
Nah if he had caps theyd be fallin out every so often, he jus got some natural bling.
He got hurt real bad against Magee .Magee was on the ropes looking for the same shot he had Hatton on the floor with but Hatton didnt rush in after that he just boxed Magee .He never had any trouble after round 3 because Magee was to predictable with his back on the ropes looking for the 1 big shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dizaster
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Originally Posted by Steelie
hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha @ Steelie ;D ;D 8
Yeah I can agree with that. Ricky really didn't look like losing the fight at any stage after he went down, and he was able to adapt to Magee being on the ropes. But I think he had to work a lot harder to do the damage because he really did have to box and make sure he didn't catch any more big blows coming in.. Their is nothing wrong with that, it showed some versatility and showed he can think while he's in there... Fortunatly Ricky loves hard work also and didn't back off for a second, which will win you a fight 9 times out of 10...Quote:
Originally Posted by littlebif
I could just see Ricky dominating that fight a lot more if Magee hadn't countered so well and kept him back as well as he did.
Fvck i'll say it again, this is going to be a great fight!!
Ricky is going to come at Floyd the same as Castillo did, and Floyd arguably (convincingly in my opinion) lost that fight...
Mayweather didn't lose that fight convincing there was no more than 1 point in it either way maybe 2 but no more than that and why do people keep bringing this fight up ?? they had a rematch and Mayweather easily won and has improved plus it was over 5 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dizaster
Convincingly lost the fight? HAHAHAHA. Have u actually watched it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dizaster
And what happened in the rematch may i ask. Now that was convincing....
Okay fine, it wasn't convincing... I guess i'll admit I hate on Floyd a little bit unfairly sometimes. Sue me O0... It WAS relatively even, yes, but none the less I still felt a little let down when Floyd got the decision.. I really felt like Castillo should have had that fight.. I'm no professional judge though so i'm not about to argue my opinion is worth more than someone else's.
I don't know about any of the others that have brought that fight up,, but the single reason I brought it up in this case was not to complain or preach my opinion on it. I was just wanting to use it as an example to show that if someone can keep coming and coming and coming at Floyd, and not get pounded with pinpoint counters in the process, it can very very quickly even up a fight with him.. I'm certainly not trying to predict the upcoming fight by pointing out a fight Floyd won or lost 5 years ago against a totally different person... It was purely an example of how someone can match themselves up with Floyd if they attack him in the right way. In fact, forget i'm even talking about Floyd, the names of the fighters are irrelevant... I'm really just talking about styles, and that fight was the perfect example. Until I saw that fight, I had made up my mind that their wasn't much that could stop Floyd's style. He looked flawless.. That fight though, showed me that no one is flawless..
I also havn't seen all of Floyd's fights, but the ones i've seen where he hasn't completely dominated, it's because the opponent forced themselves on him continuously and relentlessly, and forced the fight to be even.... The opponents that i've seen mayweather completely outclass, have tried to fight from the outside and outbox him, or have failed to find a way to get inside consistanly....
The only relevance I was drawing upon from that fight was that you would expect Ricky to come out hounding Floyd the way Castillo did.. Whether or not it works as well for Ricky as it did for Castillo,, well,, that question is why so many people will be looking forward to watching this fight December 8th..
That's just my observations though, and I welcome the feedback. ;) Our forum would be sh!t if everyone agreed with each other..
Because its relevant. Just as you think The Mayweather Chavez fight is relevant, regardless of whether Hatton is bigger faster stronger and better than Chavez, and Castillo for that matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
It is relevant but Floyd came back and beat him all fighters that have gave Floyd trouble in the past are relevent.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
On my final final note, in that video, it looks like Floyd is pretending to give Ricky's nose one of those very very very B grade porn movie head jobs. You know, the ones that are made for sex channels where they use tricky camera work and angle's so the girl doesn't actually have to touch the guys whizzer, she can just move her lips and head around to simulate the action....
In fact, if someone has the editing skills to put something funny in place of Ricky's face, i'll pay $10 for it ;D
Okay okay, enough hating... I had a long day...
Yes but Castillo fights differently to Hatton he didn't swarm Mayweather the way Hatton does and Mayweather beat Castillo easy in rematch thats why there is no reason bringing it up if they didn't have rematch then i would understand but other than that there is no real reason bringing it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
Just as you think The Mayweather Chavez fight is relevant
Yes but i do realize that Mayweather has improved since that fight and still broke up Chavez badly reason why Chavez vs Mayweather fight is better arguement is because Chavez is near enough same height as Hatton and used near enough same tactics with the swarming and the high output of 90+ and 100+ punches in every round.
Right so we cant talk about Castillo who at worst came very close to beating Mayweather a long time ago but we can talk about Eamonn Magee who had one good round against Hatton a long time ago.
Its relevant if someone thinks its relevant, thats the bottom line.
If Hatton had rematched Collazo and beaten him soundly would people disregard his first effort? of course they wouldnt. It still offers some insight into what another fighter can achieve, same with Mayweather Castillo 1.
Im not saying you can't bring it up but when people are bringing up first fight they always seem to forget they had a rematch and Mayweather easily won plus if you remember didn't Mayweather have injury to his shoulder in first fight ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
but we can talk about Eamonn Magee who had one good round against Hatton a long time ago.
I didn't talk about it i haven't seen that fight.
If Hatton had rematched Collazo and beaten him soundly would people disregard his first effort? of course they wouldnt. It still offers some insight into what another fighter can achieve, same with Mayweather Castillo 1.
I would have because he would of proved that first time was a fluke and that he properly trained for the rematch but i still think he wouldn't of beat Collazo easy due to Hatton having problems with southpaws he has had that problem since he was an amateur i believe.
Correct ICE, he lost tof Francis Barrett from my boxing club up in Belfast, for no other reason apart from Barrett being a lefty.
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16 PAGES!!!! :o
You'll have to go back and read my long post again as I updated explaining why I brought up that fight.... I was just talking about how the first fight between Castillo and Mayweather played out, Style wise... To put it in the right context, you can complete forget the fighters names or whether they had a rematch or whether whoever won or lost... Until that fight I didn't think anyone could even come close to match the style of one of the fighters in that match... After that fight I saw that if attacked in the right way, on the right night, by the right person, his style is not completely unstoppable..Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
That is the absolute sole reason I brougt up that fight... If there were another fight with a person with a similar style to Floyd, who i'd witnessed dominate every opponent comfortably through a bunch of fights, and personally been impressed by their performace to the point where I came to the conclusion they were almost unstoppable... But then someone came along that fought them a little different to everyone else, and managed to even up the score, I would have made reference to that fight instead so people don't get mislead as to the point i'm making.
Although i'm sure someone would have said that is even MORE irrelevant because it's different fighters.
All i'm talking about is styles. And how, once upon a time I thought one style and how one person used it was unstoppable. But I was then fortunate enough to see it matched by someone. Which was a huge suprise at the time. But none the less made me realise no one is unstoppable.
You just have to put why I brought that fight up into context....
"The only relevance I was drawing upon from that fight was that you would expect Ricky to come out hounding Floyd the way Castillo did.. Whether or not it works as well for Ricky as it did for Castillo,, well,, that question is why so many people will be looking forward to watching this fight December 8th.."
I understand Ricky does not fight the exact same as Castillo, and yes blah blah Castillo lost the second fight comfortably. I'm only saying, and this is probably relevant to every fight mayweather has had since Castillo 1,,,, and that is,,,, if ANY fighter can fight as well as Castillo did in that 1 fight,,, then they have a chance at beating Mayweather... That's ALL i'm saying... It's just a very plain statement that you can make about ANY boxer in the sport at one stage or another and it's either true or not true based on personal opinion....
If I want to change it around to be a total dick, I would say, Castillo nearly beat Floyd in that fight, maybe really did beat him... Hatton can beat Castillo, so therefor Hatton is going to beat Floyd.... NOW EVERYONE should start argueing with me.... and i've heard people use a statement like that to argue their point.... that is a million miles from what i'm saying.
To summarize,
All I wanted to point out is that I had personally obsevered a number of Ricky's, and a number of Floyd's fights leading up until now, and made my own personal judgmenet on a way that I thought Ricky may or may not be able to even up the score with a Mayweather, who has the potential to dominate just about every boxer out their if they don't bring their A+ game plus some....
I am ONLY basing this statement on the first PFB Castillo fight yes... Because that's the only fight were i've seen anyone come even close to Floyd.... IF that fight did not exist, I would be here stating,
"That from my personal observations, I don't see a way that Ricky can beat Floyd".....
That's absolutely it..
How I personally came to that conclusion by observing certain situations I think is completley relevant... In the same respect, it's irrelevant if Castillo and Mayweather have fought 100 times since then... I'm only refering to one single situation that had relevance to me and my opinion of how 2 styles make a fight..... and in this case, a fight that was a hell of a lot closer than ANY of Mayweathers others... and if that fight did not exist, my opion of whether anyone could match Mayweather would be completely different...
I'm only trying to add another 1% to the discussion by making reference to the one time Floyd has been matched, and the style that did it....
I'm not trying to make that 1% into 99% and twist it around, and tell everyone what's what, and why my statement will be the be all and end all for this upcoming fight...
That would make me a total moron.
I hope someone understands what I mean... I'm running late for work to explain that. :-\
All i'm pointing out is - In one fight I saw Mayweather troubled, and in one fight I saw Hatton troubled..
That's it..
I feel like i'm trying to make a statement like "at one stage of my life I took a sh!t" (in one fight mayweather was matched), and someone is trying argue against that by saying "But you've had a million p!sses as well" (but in the second fight he won easily).... yes mayweather won the second fight easily, but that has nothing to do with what I was saying... And Castillo Mayweather 1 probably has nothing to do with Mayweather Hatton if you look at it, or a lot to do with it... It depends on the exact thing your looking at at the time... okay i'm running out the door now!
You'll have to go back and read my long post again as I updated explaining why I brought up that fight.... I was just talking about how the first fight between Castillo and Mayweather played out, Style wise... To put it in the right context, you can complete forget the fighters names or whether they had a rematch or whether whoever won or lost... Until that fight I didn't think anyone could even come close to match the style of one of the fighters in that match... After that fight I saw that if attacked in the right way, on the right night, by the right person, his style is not completely unstoppable..
Hatton doesn't fight the sameway Castillo does Castillo took his time more and fights different yes he did swarm Mayweather but not like Hatton does like i said a better comparison is Mayweather vs Chavez because Chavez is near enough same height threw high output of punches 90 and 100 punches every round and swarmed Mayweather near enough the same way Hatton will.
I understand Ricky does not fight the exact same as Castillo, and yes blah blah Castillo lost the second fight comfortably. I'm only saying, and this is probably relevant to every fight mayweather has had since Castillo 1,,,, and that is,,,, if ANY fighter can fight as well as Castillo did in that 1 fight,,, then they have a chance at beating Mayweather... That's ALL i'm saying... It's just a very plain statement that you can make about ANY boxer in the sport at one stage or another and it's either true or not true based on personal opinion....
But thats the thing Mayweather had injury to his shoulder in first meeting which is true not false and proved in rematch when 100 percent he could beat Castillo easy Castillo did not change his style he was exactly the same as he was in first meeting Mayweather on other hand changed his style and kept fight in middle of the ring at all times and when Castillo tried to bully Mayweather to the ropes Mayweather would get out of there fast and go back to the middle of the ring he was in control at all times and won quite easily thats why first fight holds no water because not only has Mayweather improved since those fights he beat Castillo comfortably in rematch.
If I want to change it around to be a total dick, I would say, Castillo nearly beat Floyd in that fight, maybe really did beat him... Hatton can beat Castillo, so therefor Hatton is going to beat Floyd.... NOW EVERYONE should start argueing with me.... and i've heard people use a statement like that to argue their point.... that is a million miles from what i'm saying.
Yes and then i would comeback and say Hatton beat a shot Castillo and Castillo was clearly not the fighter he was 5 years ago when he fought Mayweather yes it was impressive Hatton was only one to ko Castillo and yes i give Hatton credit but facts are facts.
All i'm pointing out is - In one fight I saw Mayweather troubled, and in one fight I saw Hatton troubled..
That's it..
I feel like i'm trying to make a statement like "at one stage of my life I took a sh!t" (in one fight mayweather was matched), and someone is trying argue against that by saying "But you've had a million p!sses as well" (but in the second fight he won easily).... yes mayweather won the second fight easily, but that has nothing to do with what I was saying... And Castillo Mayweather 1 probably has nothing to do with Mayweather Hatton if you look at it, or a lot to do with it... It depends on the exact thing your looking at at the time... okay i'm running out the door now!
Sorry but i don't understand if they wouldn't of had a rematch then i would understand but they did and Mayweather won easily.
Difference with Hatton is that he didn't have rematch and promised Collazo a rematch and didn't give him one and that was pretty much just as controversial as Mayweather vs Castillo 1 and Hatton did not prove he could beat Collazo easy so there for i can say Hatton has only fought one fast fighter in his career and look what happened now if he would of had a rematch and beat him easy then i wouldn't be saying that but fact is he didn't give Collazo a rematch and thats left question marks where as Mayweather had close controversial decision like Hatton but proved he can beat Castillo easily in rematch and left no question marks no doubt.
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
Thats Joel Julio Pacstraightleft Sweetpea is being sarcastic about when SLK said Joel Julio was better challenge than ODLH.
man i still have not seen that dude before he must not be that great because i watch alot of matchs and have never seen him
He is not that great really. A decent prospect yes, a bigger challenge than ODLH? No. Has SLK123 been on recently?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
THIS THREAD CANNOT DIE, IT NEEDS TO BREAK ALL RECORDS!!!!
How is this thread going to break all records?? Simple. The same way Landmine950's continued on for pages that would make J.K. Rowling weary..........ignorance and humour on levels that few but Saddoans can attain.
I think there has been alot of good debating in this thread with exception of some and they know who they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxer
There has been good debate, and best of all the Hatton fanboy PBF haters have been proved wrong over and over again.... What else could u want?Quote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxer
Bow before Your maker! :bowdown:Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
The funny thing about that whole post is the fighters talked about. So what if Floyd had some trouble with Castillo, he is arguably an all time top ten at 135, and one of the best p4p fighters of his generation in his prime, and thats smack bang when floyd fought him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Spicoli Surfs In 'Nawlins
On the other hand Hatton was troubled by Magee, talented journeyman at best, probably never a top ten guy in his weight division, and he would NEVER have troubled Floyd at 140. Nuff said