Lewisis young career was better? Are you kidding? Tyson won his first 19 matches by knockout and was much younger than lewis when he started his career also.
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Lewisis young career was better? Are you kidding? Tyson won his first 19 matches by knockout and was much younger than lewis when he started his career also.
OI ya tit, I said his knockouts were just as impressive and Lewis's oppenents were better than Tyson's in his early career, Tyson fought alot of stiffs, so did Lewis but not as much as Tyson, Lewis taking on Gary Mason was a dangerous move, Mason was looking for a title shot and had a killer dig on him, Lewis beat him up bad !!
And What is all this fucking age thing got to do with anything, Do you not think while Tyson was a pro that Lewis was not fighting good opponents as a ameteur ???
The only reason that Tyson turned pro so early was he never made it to the olympics in 84 because Henry Tillman beat him !!
All I am saying, is when you watch Lewis's early fights you can tell that he was going to be something special just like when you watch Tyson when he was young !!
LOL for real! Tyson killed all his opponents at like age 15! Lewis was 23! If tyson kept up his training, lol heaven help anybody live who would fight tyson at 23. He would kill all those people lewis fought in the first 3 seconds..like in rocky IV..he would KILL lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by muchmoore
Tyson, in 5 seconds. Ali is waaaaay overrated.... :-*
So Tyson turned pro at 15 did he ...... hmmmmm  I think not !!
18 he turned pro, Â the only difference between Lewis and Tyson was that one went to the Olympics and the other never !! Â Â Lewis didn't win gold first time round in 84 but he went there, Â Â so he trained his ass off for the next ones in 88 and won Gold !!
I dont see what the age thing as to do with anything, Â While Tyson was boxing as a pro beating up spinks, Â Lewis was in the Olympics beating up Bowe winning gold !! Â If anything it was a great move by Lewis to start his pro career at 23, Â Tyson's career was on the slide by the age of 23 because he couldn't handle the fame and pressure and all the money and sluts, Â Lewis quietly started his pro debut no hassle and just plodded on. Â Â By the time Lewis was ready for a title shot Tyson was doing time in nick, Â so I think it was a great move by Lewis to leave it late and wait til he grew up abit, Â obviously never worked for Tyson !! Â
Oh yeah ali2coolwitu please dont reply to any of these posts anymore,  you are making a fool of yourself Boy,  you obviously aint got a fucking clue,  so if I was you I wouldn't bother anymore,  its for the best  !!
I thought this thread was about a mythical matchup between Ali & Tyson? ???
What has Lewis got to do with it? ???
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Nothing. Lewis has nothing to do with it. He only won 40 fights in his whole professional career.Quote:
Originally Posted by ROCKY MARSHMELLOW
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Originally Posted by drgoodlooking
Lewis's record is 41-2-1 thats 44 fights So lets look at Evander Holyfield's record, the so called warrior and veteran. 38-8-2 thats 48 fights.
So Lewis won more pro fights than Holyfield and lost less !!
Your point being ???
Oh yeah, Holyfield only got 25 KO's and Lewis 32 KO's
So what is your point ???
Also, Tyson only had 50 career wins and if you look at the people Lewis has been fighting through the 90's to Tyson's opponents then it levels its self up, Lewis beat everyone there was to beat, Tyson stayed away from the best, and when he did step up he got beat !!
If Tyson would of fought exactly the same fighters Lewis fought in the 90's Tyson would have a few more losses on his record, I know that for a fact !!
Its my thread dumb shi t, i can post if i want and i wont listen to little people like you who think they know everything . First off, im not on the net 24/7 searching for statistics on Tyson and Lewis. Im a basketball player, and i love the sport of boxing but im not obsessed. I wouldnt know the stats, but i have asked boxers and they say the same thing that Tyson would whoop Lewis. Everybody says Tyson, why dont you jsut give up? You hear tysons name everywhere, and if you say boxing to some random person, the first thing to come to mind is Tyson. Thats cause he was the best, people dont care for Lewis, they dont like him, and they know Tyson was the best. So stop complaining, whining, and dissing on people over the net, because its super childish. And you never see like personal videos of Lewis anywhere. Theres Tyson videos all over the internet, easy to find. His prime was so outstanding that he is known as the best ever, and he was much younger than lewis and dont tell me age doesnt matter.. lol jesusQuote:
Originally Posted by ROCKY MARSHMELLOW
Oh and how would you know that for a fact? LOL if the people Lewis boxed would have boxed Tyson, Tyson would have a tougher time, but he would have a bigger challenge, learn quicker, and still finish them off. He killed all his opponents in the first few rounds..if you bring tougher guys in, it would take him longer to knock them out, but he would win and he would be more challenged, which would eventually make him a much better, tougher fighter. And also all the shit Tyson had to go through and he still managed to do all this? Imagine if everything went clean through his career..he would still train, and become much better.Quote:
Originally Posted by ROCKY MARSHMELLOW
Sorry to butt in, but I have to say that I am not impressed with Lewis. He didn't even give the man that was whipping him, Klitchko a rematch like he promised him. Although Mike has been a little lackluster about his career over the past few years or so, I see he has changed a lot. For instance, he has started to at least fight whoever is out there (and went for the "best" at the time in Lewis). I mean, give him credit. He put forth an honest effort.
When Mike fought Lewis, he wasn't ready either. He was ranked 10th in the world compared to Lewis being the champion at the time. Mike wasn't ready for that fight and no doubt, Lewis did beat him even though he still had to lose points twice for hugging and holding Mike.
One of the reasons why I think that Lewis is not a fan favorite is because he is too "arrogant" and too "picky."Â He wants to fight who he wants, when he wants, like somebody owes him something. No one owes Lewis anything. He's no Muhammad Ali.
Amazing ...... listen Ali 2 cool, you need to stick to ya basketball because you know fuck all !!
Druglycunt You are talking about Lewis in the last days of his career, Lewis didn't even have to give Kliszcho a shot he could of retired straight after Tyson if he really wanted too, but he didn't...... and face facts it was the heaviest Lewis had ever weighed and he didn't get Lewis a wupping like you think, the punches that the crowd wooooooohed to was Lewis's big uppercuts and right hands, and Klitszcho's face did not end up like it did off Lewis kissing him did it ???
Only one person was going to witn that fight, and that was Lewis Lewis played possom first few rounds, but the 5th and 6th were Lewis's
So you lot look back at Lewis's career and think he fought no body's and people past their best, its a easy excuse, if you look at it, how many great fights would of we seen if Tyson had the balls to get in with the likes of the opponents that Lewis fought.
Or even better, What about any of the top heavyweights getting in the ring with Lewis in the mid 90's when they were all paying him not to fight him !!
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Oh yeah, Dr uglyhead dont butt in, unless you can back up what you last said, you plum !!
drgoodlooking, sounds familiar? Hows it going Stacy?
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No Its not you ex girl friend Balco !!
That lad loved her that much, that anyone that know's absolutley fuck all about boxing he thinks it's his ex gril friend, you cant blame him because dr uglyhead sure does sound like a bitch !!
we all now who the greatest boxer of all time is Tyson wouldnt have a chance.
either would Lennox lewis for those people who think Ali would struggle against his style.
Wat a load of crap ;D
Now I'm really baffled!!!!! ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
I wasn't going to touch this but I was ringside for fights of all three, Lewis, Tyson and Ali. Being ringside, there are no illusions or camera angles, I like Ali on skill alone. He was always the under dog and he always won bigger than anyone expected with no special effects or commentators on his side. Many people don't really look at the opponent this way. One more thing, there ae quite a few fighters whose punch couldn't crack an egg who were champions for more than one title defense. The past is dead and comparisons though interesting are passe. We hve lots of good fighters, let's be vocal about them and be grateful they are entertaining us now, healthy an in great shape.
listen..................if mike stayed focused nobody could have beaten him...just listen to kevin rooney--if anyone should have a beef with tyson or would say something bad about him its rooney--the guy got dropped by tyson like a bad habit and then i think rooney sued him--it was a mess. and after all that rooney still says that if tyson stayed focused he would have been undefeated and would have dusted holy and lewis. and i agree. by the time tyson got out of jail and especially at the time he fought lew lew he was mostly gone. even in his current state he is a factor in the division. hes closer to being world champ then holy or lewis at this point.
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Tyson Closer than being champ than Lewis ???
Well that would not be hard, Lewis is retired !!
wait 3-4 years ill be next ali/tyson/lewes toghter in their prime :P nah bot honestly tyson had like 100% more muscels than those skinny shits and specially lewes no muscels on that guy :p
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I haven't really read much of this thread cos everyone always starts bitching and arguing but that is a post I fully agree with mate. Sure, people will say that Tyson got loads of money for fighting Lewis but he was nowhere near gis best credit to him for getting in there- I'd never looked at it like that before.
Watching both Lewis and Tyson when they were at their best, I don't see how Lewis could have handled Tyson from the late 1980's, but that is just my opinion.
I also think Tyson would have had more success against Ali than George Foreman did- George hit him on the ropes with inaccuarte, wild shots that wasted energy- Tyson would have planted accuarte punches on Ali with speed and power- just look at the Holmes KO to try and feel what I'm saying...
Every thing he says is wrong !!
1. he is making a point about Klitszcho again when everyone knows Lewis didn't have anything to prove after he wupped Tyson and still got a win against Klitszcho.
2. Tyson started to fight the best out there ??? There is no way on this earth Tyson wanted that fight with Lewis, thats why he started fighting at the press conference to get it stopped. Tyson got pushed into the fight fight with Lewis off Showtime, Because Tyson owes them cash !! Tyson would never of been ready to take on Lewis. Lewis was just too good at that time !!
3. Lewis wants to fight who he wants when he wants ??? what the fuck does that mean ??? at least with Lewis you get him fighting the best out there unlike Tyson, fighting fucking bums for most of his career, No one owe's Lewis anything ??? what does that mean, sounds like you think Lewis owe's Klitszcho a rematch, no he doesn't, and the fact is if Klitscho in his prime could not of beat the fat out of shape old Lewis, what chance would Klitszcho had against a prime dedicated Lewis with something to prove !!
You can go on about Tyson in his prime, but if the likes of bone crusher smith, Tony Tucker, Mitch Green, go the distance with Tyson then I cant see why the even bigger and better Lewis would have had no probs keeping Tyson under control !!
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Originally Posted by ROCKY MARSHMELLOW
Well, let's see. Tyson is still around and Lewis is not. Tyson is 50-5 (44 KOs) and Lewis is 41-2 (32 KOs). Tyson still has a chance to improve his record. Tyson is active. Lewis is not. Tyson is still giving fans what they want! Lewis is retired. When Tyson lost to Lewis, he kept fighting others. When Lewis got away with a cheap victory on Klitchko, he ran away from the chance of fighting the man again (like he SAID he would do) and possibly losing. When Mike lost to Lewis, he took it like a man and said that 'It was a good fight and I'd love to do it again.'
And WHO won that fight for Lewis? Manny Stewart. He was the brains behind it all, because without such a great trainer like Stewart, I don't think Lewis would have even known how to fight Mike Tyson. Let Tyson have Manny Stewart as his trainer and I'm sure that Mike would just about destroy anyone out there right now.
Personally, I just have more respect for Mike Tyson than Lennox Lewis. When Mike behaves, he is the best thing that ever happened to boxing! Recently, Lewis said that he was going to make a comeback, but again he didn't keep his word and changed his mind. Tyson is still getting paid in boxing. Lewis is not. Therefore, I can conclude that Tyson has more "integrity" in boxing than Lewis. I think this is one of the reasons why Tyson is a "People's Champ" in the Sport of Boxing and Lewis is not.  :(
Hey guys,
Actually, Tyson-Lewis was a very good fight if you look at it well. Mike put up a good fight early (and maybe won the first round or two) before Lewis got him tired from holding him excessively and etc - which indeed was a smart move on his part! As Lewis started to dominate the fight, it was funny hearing Manny Stewart yelling at Lewis in the corner yet. I think it was about round 7 or 8 and Stewart yells at Lewis (about being so "conservative") something like - "You better quit fooling around and get him out of here! You have a dead man in front of you! Get him out of here! This man is dangerous!! You better not f#$% around and let him get a chance to HIT You!!" Something like that - but it was funny!
I'm not hating on Lewis. It was a good fight and a well-executed strategy. Still, I can't see how someone could say that fight defined Lewis' "greatness" - beating a Mike Tyson that wasn't even a top contender in the heavyweight division at the time. It's funny how most boxers think they will become "great" if they beat "Mike Tyson!" So, Danny Williams is "great" now? Yeah, right. If anything, I think that the Tyson-Lewis fight was just a bad gamble and a bad decision on Tyson's part. He should have stuck by his original intentions and got a "few more fights" in first. Then, I predict that it would have been a better fight.
Dr Ugly head, you really do sound like a sick and twisted Lennox Lewis hater !!
Why is a good thing Tyson is still fighting getting KOED with in 4 rounds off shit fighters like Danny Williams, Lewis finished on top, after being the most dominating champ of the last 15 years !!
Now this is the funniest thing I have ever heard, it was not Lewis that KOED Tyson it was Manny Steward, Lewis would not even know how to beat Tyson if he was not with Manny Steward, Hmmmmm well he knew how to Beat Bowe winning gold in the olympics, and the commonwelth games gold, British champion, european and commonwelth champion, world champion, all before he even spoke with Manny Steward.
LMAO, Yeah Tyson did really well against Lewis, Im a Tyson fan, and I was gutted when Tyson got beat, but i'm not a Lewis Hater, and Lewis fucking destroyed Tyson, Tyson had a ok 1st round thats it !!
OH and even the ref was against Lewis in that fight, really biased ref put Lewis has had to put up with that kind of shit off you yank fucks all through his career !!
Hey Tyson has been saying that famous a few more fight thing for years, now that Williams beat him, he wants a few fights before he gets back in with Williams, but you know what, these few fights never come, because the amount of time has between fights. He could of had 200 fights before the Lewis fight, but there is no way that he was going to win that fight against Lewis, Lewis made him look like he was in a different weight division !!
Everything RM says is true also I can vouch for Rocky's man love for Tyson, we've had many a heated discussion about him but credit where it's due he's taken the time to check out Lewis and appraise his career.
I've already given my input on the subject. An "active" fighter can still finish his career better than an "inactive" one. If Tyson happens to win the division again, he will become a three-time world champ. Lewis can't do that retired. :-*Quote:
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Lewis cant become a 3 time heavyweight champion again, because he already is one you thick yank fuck.
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LOL I believe that settles it.
an active fighter can finish his career better than an inactive fighter. Well DUH by definition...inactives career is already finished.Quote:
Originally Posted by drgoodlooking
Tyson has tarnished his name by fighting past his effectiveness. He once was now is a has-been and other fighters will look to scalp him because it's a 'name' on their record.
Tyson aint going to be doing his legacy no favours in the next couple years, that you can count on !!
Here, Missy for butting in.
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That's you in the front and me in the back. :D
Yeah, I agree. More people like Tyson more than Lewis. That's why he gets paid more.
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Well check Lewis's bank balance out, then check Tyson's, then check how much Tyson got paid for his last fight, check out how much Lewis got paid for his last fight !!
Lewis is getting offered $50 million to come back, Tyson is getting paid 2 and half for his next fight, So once again you are making silly comments that you cant back up !!