Re: 60's ALI: there is no HW great that could have beaten him.
Re: 60's ALI: there is no HW great that could have beaten him.
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Originally Posted by MIKAY
He was known as "the greatest" for a reason...
Lewis - Never liked him, too boring and didnt like getting hit - fought passed prime fighters i.e tyson, holyfield. Tyson would have whooped him in his prime. (lewis not ali)
So you're blaming Lewis for the fact that those fight didn't come off when the opponents were younger ::**
Re: 60's ALI: there is no HW great that could have beaten him.
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Holmes is indeed at top ten with Ali.
However, I feel the reason the general boxing public fails to fully acknowledge his achievements is because he just couldn't achieve the popularity that the likes of Ali, Louis and Marciano did. In their era's each guy transcended boxing and reached the fans on a personal level. Although he was a nice guy Larry lacked the charisma that Ali had, the (racially motivated) pride in Louis or the All American love Marciano enjoyed.
But similarly to another post I made today (on PBF) Homes deserves to be remembered for his talent in the ring, his skills and abilities and his fighting courage rather than his personality and life outside the ring.
The sport is Boxing, let's remeber the Boxing he did.
Larry unfortunatly was a combination of wrong fighter at the wrongt time,and a victim of passive racism
First off he comes in right at the end of an era when every fighter was a fighter+,Foreman preached,Norton acted,Frazier sang,Ali was well Ali
Holmes just hit people
But on top of it,it wasnt the Ali fight nobody forgave Holmes for,it was him whipping the great white hype Cooney nobody forgave him for. When he beat 7 kinds of hell out of Tex Cobb,all Sports Illustrated could talk about was how valiant Tex was for taking the punishment
holmes was 1 of the greatest--but it seemed he tried 2b like ali. always running off at the mouth--very close fighting styles--it was as if he tried 2b ali. but without the same opposition and charisma 2 pull it off -he is looked at as a "poor mans ali"--if he was humble and quit he could have been seen as his own instead of just in the shadow of ali
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How many fights did Ali lose? HE SUCKED!!! :bag:
Re: 60's ALI: there is no HW great that could have beaten him.
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Originally Posted by undefeated
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Holmes is indeed at top ten with Ali.
However, I feel the reason the general boxing public fails to fully acknowledge his achievements is because he just couldn't achieve the popularity that the likes of Ali, Louis and Marciano did. In their era's each guy transcended boxing and reached the fans on a personal level. Although he was a nice guy Larry lacked the charisma that Ali had, the (racially motivated) pride in Louis or the All American love Marciano enjoyed.
But similarly to another post I made today (on PBF) Homes deserves to be remembered for his talent in the ring, his skills and abilities and his fighting courage rather than his personality and life outside the ring.
The sport is Boxing, let's remeber the Boxing he did.
Larry unfortunatly was a combination of wrong fighter at the wrongt time,and a victim of passive racism
First off he comes in right at the end of an era when every fighter was a fighter+,Foreman preached,Norton acted,Frazier sang,Ali was well Ali
Holmes just hit people
But on top of it,it wasnt the Ali fight nobody forgave Holmes for,it was him whipping the great white hype Cooney nobody forgave him for. When he beat 7 kinds of hell out of Tex Cobb,all Sports Illustrated could talk about was how valiant Tex was for taking the punishment
holmes was 1 of the greatest--but it seemed he tried 2b like ali. always running off at the mouth--very close fighting styles--it was as if he tried 2b ali. but without the same opposition and charisma 2 pull it off -he is looked at as a "poor mans ali"--if he was humble and quit he could have been seen as his own instead of just in the shadow of ali
Interesting youd say that,considering Holmes really got his start as Ali's sparring partner
Oh interesting truism of the day from somebody from the state
Whats commonly referrerd to as "Ali's Pocono Training Camp",isnt anywhere near the Poconos,its alot closer to Reading then it is to Slatington
Re: 60's ALI: there is no HW great that could have beaten him.
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Originally Posted by Slowmotion426
How many fights did Ali lose? HE SUCKED!!! :bag:
Please help the moron to the door,someone
Re: 60's ALI: there is no HW great that could have beaten him.
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Originally Posted by Slowmotion426
How many fights did Ali lose? HE SUCKED!!! :bag:
Ali lost to Frazier Norton Spinks Holmes and Berbick.
Nothing much to be ashamed of there.
You get a Sad Click for your poor posting.
Re: 60's ALI: there is no HW great that could have beaten him.
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Holmes is indeed at top ten with Ali.
However, I feel the reason the general boxing public fails to fully acknowledge his achievements is because he just couldn't achieve the popularity that the likes of Ali, Louis and Marciano did. In their era's each guy transcended boxing and reached the fans on a personal level. Although he was a nice guy Larry lacked the charisma that Ali had, the (racially motivated) pride in Louis or the All American love Marciano enjoyed.
But similarly to another post I made today (on PBF) Homes deserves to be remembered for his talent in the ring, his skills and abilities and his fighting courage rather than his personality and life outside the ring.
The sport is Boxing, let's remeber the Boxing he did.
Larry unfortunatly was a combination of wrong fighter at the wrongt time,and a victim of passive racism
First off he comes in right at the end of an era when every fighter was a fighter+,Foreman preached,Norton acted,Frazier sang,Ali was well Ali
Holmes just hit people
But on top of it,it wasnt the Ali fight nobody forgave Holmes for,it was him whipping the great white hype Cooney nobody forgave him for. When he beat 7 kinds of hell out of Tex Cobb,all Sports Illustrated could talk about was how valiant Tex was for taking the punishment
The bit i put in bold is what it should all be about, not who can trash talk the best.
Re: 60's ALI: there is no HW great that could have beaten him.
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Originally Posted by Slowmotion426
How many fights did Ali lose? HE SUCKED!!! :bag:
He lost at least 9 but he didn't suck thats one of the most moronic comment's i've ever seen. Have a :sadclick: on me.
Re: 60's ALI: there is no HW great that could have beaten him.
Not necessarily. Some fighters do it more impressively than others. Although Larry's jab was amongst the most effective of all times it wasn't as exciting as Ali, as punishing as Louis' or as bloody minded as Marciano. It is natural that the fight fans and public prefer the more exciting fighter.
Re: 60's ALI: there is no HW great that could have beaten him.
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Not necessarily. Some fighters do it more impressively than others. Although Larry's jab was amongst the most effective of all times it wasn't as exciting as Ali, as punishing as Louis' or as bloody minded as Marciano. It is natural that the fight fans and public prefer the more exciting fighter.
Actually though most of Ali's fights were quite boring, except for the Frazier fights and a few other's most of them were boring, did you ever see Young vs Ali ?? that was a snoozefest but it was a snoozefest Young deserved to win.
I think Ali done a lot for the sport, but he did get slightly overrated for his antics outside the ring.
Re: 60's ALI: there is no HW great that could have beaten him.
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Not necessarily. Some fighters do it more impressively than others. Although Larry's jab was amongst the most effective of all times it wasn't as exciting as Ali, as punishing as Louis' or as bloody minded as Marciano. It is natural that the fight fans and public prefer the more exciting fighter.
Actually though most of Ali's fights were quite boring, except for the Frazier fights and a few other's most of them were boring, did you ever see Young vs Ali ?? that was a snoozefest but it was a snoozefest Young deserved to win.
I think Ali done a lot for the sport, but he did get slightly overrated for his antics outside the ring.
I did see that yes, in fact I've seen all of Ali's fights apart from the Berbick fight and three others.
I feel the "boring" fights were largely in the second part of his career where his faded physical abilities forced him to use his brain moree. In doing so he killed the action and set a dull pace which his body could cope with.
Thats exactly the type of boxing I enjoy though- boxing with thought behind it.
The Forerman fight could have been viewed as boring, but the hype made it scintilating (and the result also) The fights with Norton Wepner Williams and Quarry were all pleasing for the spectator.
Re: 60's ALI: there is no HW great that could have beaten him.
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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Not necessarily. Some fighters do it more impressively than others. Although Larry's jab was amongst the most effective of all times it wasn't as exciting as Ali, as punishing as Louis' or as bloody minded as Marciano. It is natural that the fight fans and public prefer the more exciting fighter.
Actually though most of Ali's fights were quite boring, except for the Frazier fights and a few other's most of them were boring, did you ever see Young vs Ali ?? that was a snoozefest but it was a snoozefest Young deserved to win.
I think Ali done a lot for the sport, but he did get slightly overrated for his antics outside the ring.
I did see that yes, in fact I've seen all of Ali's fights apart from the Berbick fight and three others.
I feel the "boring" fights were largely in the second part of his career where his faded physical abilities forced him to use his brain moree. In doing so he killed the action and set a dull pace which his body could cope with.
Thats exactly the type of boxing I enjoy though- boxing with thought behind it.
The Forerman fight could have been viewed as boring, but the hype made it scintilating (and the result also) The fights with Norton Wepner Williams and Quarry were all pleasing for the spectator.
I actually think Ali vs Foreman is a very overrated fight, i thought it was a snoozefest. And Foreman was just swinging punches like a drunk monkey with no real power because there was no snap to the punches, and Ali would throw a few punches back at him in spurts i didn't enjoy the fight at all.
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What people forget about George Foreman and his early career is that his confidence in his power and brute strength was so great that he neglected the implementation of boxing skill and intelligent fighting. There was never any real snap to George's punches, (which lays testament to the brute strength of the man) but in Zaire he was probably affected by the heat and tactics of Ali.
Foreman was so effective as I've said because of brute strength. Opponents were intimidated by him (even Frazier) and as aresult tried to move away to box him. This put them in range and George subsequently Ko'ed them. However, Ali didn't move back, drew Foreman in close and as such negated Foreman's hardest punches. It has often been bosted of how Foreman's jab simply bleew guys away, how many jabs happened in Kinshasa??? In close Foreman was sloppy and exposed as such. Ali merely knocked over an exhausted man at the end. Thats smart boxing! And for me essential viewing.
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George Foreman had only boxed for one year when he won Gold in the Olympics
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Ali is Overrated and W.Klitschko would eat his ass alive
Re: 60's ALI: there is no HW great that could have beaten him.
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Not necessarily. Some fighters do it more impressively than others. Although Larry's jab was amongst the most effective of all times it wasn't as exciting as Ali, as punishing as Louis' or as bloody minded as Marciano. It is natural that the fight fans and public prefer the more exciting fighter.
Actually though most of Ali's fights were quite boring, except for the Frazier fights and a few other's most of them were boring, did you ever see Young vs Ali ?? that was a snoozefest but it was a snoozefest Young deserved to win.
I think Ali done a lot for the sport, but he did get slightly overrated for his antics outside the ring.
I did see that yes, in fact I've seen all of Ali's fights apart from the Berbick fight and three others.
I feel the "boring" fights were largely in the second part of his career where his faded physical abilities forced him to use his brain moree. In doing so he killed the action and set a dull pace which his body could cope with.
Thats exactly the type of boxing I enjoy though- boxing with thought behind it.
The Forerman fight could have been viewed as boring, but the hype made it scintilating (and the result also) The fights with Norton Wepner Williams and Quarry were all pleasing for the spectator.
I actually think Ali vs Foreman is a very overrated fight, i thought it was a snoozefest. And Foreman was just swinging punches like a drunk monkey with no real power because there was no snap to the punches, and Ali would throw a few punches back at him in spurts i didn't enjoy the fight at all.
I thought it was boring too. But Ali was winding poor George up so much he was fighting like an idiot just wanting to KO Ali. You can't fight right when your pissed off. Great tactics from Ali but the fight was not all that I agree.
Re: 60's ALI: there is no HW great that could have beaten him.
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
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Originally Posted by Slowmotion426
How many fights did Ali lose? HE SUCKED!!! :bag:
Ali lost to Frazier Norton Spinks Holmes and Berbick.
Nothing much to be ashamed of there.
You get a Sad Click for your poor posting.
Who cares? Ali sucked and is waaaaaaaay over rated. :Bannanacow:
Re: 60's ALI: there is no HW great that could have beaten him.
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Originally Posted by Slowmotion426
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
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Originally Posted by Slowmotion426
How many fights did Ali lose? HE SUCKED!!! :bag:
Ali lost to Frazier Norton Spinks Holmes and Berbick.
Nothing much to be ashamed of there.
You get a Sad Click for your poor posting.
Who cares? Ali sucked and is waaaaaaaay over rated. :Bannanacow:
Over rated maybe. Sucked...No.
Re: 60's ALI: there is no HW great that could have beaten him.
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Originally Posted by Slowmotion426
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
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Originally Posted by Slowmotion426
How many fights did Ali lose? HE SUCKED!!! :bag:
Ali lost to Frazier Norton Spinks Holmes and Berbick.
Nothing much to be ashamed of there.
You get a Sad Click for your poor posting.
Who cares? Ali sucked and is waaaaaaaay over rated. :Bannanacow:
Can 24 hours be up,so I can sad click you again?
