Old Super-Middleweight/Middleweight/Light Middleweight Threads

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No vacancies to worry about, the only verification is Dirrell who is covered by his fight with Abraham. So without further ado here are the pool candidates.

Jesse Brinkley - Boxer - Last win was an upset victory (and IBF title eliminator) over power punching Curtis Stevens. Brinkley is now on a nine fight win streak. Nothing scheduled currently, but he should be getting that title shot any year now.

Brian Magee - Boxer - Last win was over Mads Larsen for the EBU title. He currently has a five fight win streak the last three by stoppage.

Sebastien Demers - Boxer - Last win was just a few weeks ago where Demers had a surprisingly bumpy ride against William Joppy who hadn't been in the ring in over two years. Demers has looked impressive in most of his other recent fights however and has amassed a six fight win streak.

How far does Latimore drop after his loss to Powell?

1 place (1 vote) : Violent Demise
2 places (2 votes) : Killersheep, TigerFan
3 places (4 votes) : Galaxy, JazMerkin (+1), markb018
4 places (0 votes) : N/A
Pool (0 votes) : N/A

Latimore drops 3 places by a vote of 4-2-1-0-0

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Arthur Abraham was well behind on the cards, but coming on strong in the late rounds when he his Dirrell while he was down. How far does this drop him?

I voted one cuz that was the best option. But I think he should remain where he's at. Kind of hard for me to rank him behind Jermain Taylor

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

I voted one cuz that was the best option. But I think he should remain where he's at. Kind of hard for me to rank him behind Jermain Taylor

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He'll still remain ahead of Taylor. All these guys will drop a place as Dirrell comes in at #5.

How far does Abraham drop after his DQ loss to Dirrell?

1 spot to number 6 (6 votes) : Cleon, Galaxy, Killersheep, JazMerkin, markb018, Violent Demise
2 spots to number 7 (0 votes) : N/A
3 spots to number 8 (0 votes) : N/A

Abraham drops 1 spot to number 6, by a vote of 6-0-0.

Do any of the following merit pool entry?

Jesse Brinkley
Yes (6 votes) : CFH (+1), Cleon, Galaxy, Killersheep, TigerFan
No (2 votes) : markb018, Violent Demise

Jesse Brinkley enters the pool by a vote of 6-2


Brian Magee
Yes (5 votes) : CFH (+1), Galaxy, Killersheep, TigerFan
No (3 votes) : Cleon, markb018, Violent Demise

Brian Magee enters the pool by a vote of 5-3


Sebastien Demers
Yes (3 votes) : CFH (+1), Killersheep
No (5 votes) : Cleon, Galaxy, markb018, TigerFan, Violent Demise

Sebastien Demers does not enter the pool by a vote of 5-3

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Should the following boxers be verified to stay in the pool?

Amin Asikainen - Boxer - his last fight dropped him to the pool (A KO loss to Matthew Macklin). He has nothing scheduled for the future.

Dmitry Pirog - Boxer - his last fight was on 2/6/10 where his opponent Eric Mitchell retired on injury. He has nothing scheduled for the future.

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This division has a lot of potential issues that may cause a high number of vacancies soon. Paul Williams is always uncertain as to what weight class he will fight at and his next fight is at 154, Felix Sturm is probably going to have issues getting fights because of his recent promoter split, Pavlik even if he beats Martinez may have to call it a day with hand issues. That being said....................enter the possible entrants.............

Gennady Golovkin - Boxer - Last fight was a 2nd round KO victory over Mikhail Makarov on 11/21/09, nothing scheduled.

Koji Sato - Boxer vs. Jae Myung Lee - Boxer - OPBF Middleweight title fight, in this choice the winner takes a pool spot.

Marco Antonio Rubio - Boxer - He's been here before, he did get slaughtered by Pavlik, but he's getting back knocking people out. His last fight (at middle) was 9th round TKO for the WBC Latino Middleweight title (also an eliminator for the WBC title), nothing scheduled.

Peter Manfredo Jr - Boxer - Yeah I know it's Manfredo, he did just beat Vanda though for the NABF title, schedule to fight Angel Hernandez on 5/22/10.

Roman Karmazin - Boxer - Made in Hell stayed true to his name in his blood and guts victory over Dionisio Miranda on 1/8/10. He is scheduled to fight Sebastian Sylvester on 6/5/10

Drop Asikainen...he's done.

Keep Pirog...he's on his way up.

I meant to vote NO on Sato/Lee, Manfredo & Rubio.

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I'm using my manager vote for Jermain Taylor. I'm gonna argue that he drops all the way to 10th, as we could have actually dropped him straight to the pool for 2 losses after his defeat to Abraham. Anyway, there's other guys who still deserve to be above him, so as good a fighter as he was, there's little evidence he's actually coming back, hence I feel the 10th spot should be his.

I meant to hit 3 spots.

What has happened to the middleweights?Wow.Make way for Martinez but can only see Karmazin entering pool...have not seen Golovkin?Slim pickens really.

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Moore (154 pool) has suffered his second loss in a row, his two possible options mentioned in his post fight interview were retirement and moving up to 168, does he remain in the pool?

Drop him. Two losses in a row, one to a journeyman.

Golovkin talent-wise deserves to be there but his resume is lacking.

Don't know much about Sato apart from his one sided loss to Sturm so I voted no. Another good win and I'd vote him in.

Rubio's back to knocking guys out. Over the past two years he's beaten Alvarez, Ornelas, Cuevas and Zertuche. Apart from the Pavlik loss he's had a decent run at middle.

I almost voted for Manfredo but I'll wait and see how he does against Hernandez.

Karmazin gets my vote after his thrilling come from behind stoppage of Miranda.

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Due to the fact that Pavlik is fighting the man who is #1 in the division immediately below him, we have the option of a Saddo's Championship in this fight. I think this is worthy of Championship, as Martinez is better than all the guys at 160 bar Pavlik, Williams & possibly Sturm.

Anyway your thoughts?

Should Pavlik/Martinez qualify for the Saddoboxing Middleweight Championship?

Yes (3 votes) : JazMerkin, Killersheep, markb018
No (1 vote) : Violent Demise

The fight qualifies as a Title fight by a vote of 3-1

Which nominees qualify for Middleweight pool entry?

Gennady Golovkin
Yes (2 votes) : JazMerkin, Violent Demise
No (4 votes) : Galaxy, Killersheep, TigerFan (+1)

Sato/Lee winner
Yes (1 vote) : Killersheep
No (4 votes) : Galaxy, JazMerkin, TigerFan (+1)

Marco Antonio Rubio
Yes (3 votes) : Killersheep, TigerFan (+1)
No (2 votes) : Galaxy, JazMerkin

Peter Manfredo Jr.
Yes (0 votes) : N/A
No (5 votes) : Galaxy, JazMerkin, Killersheep, TigerFan (+1)

Roman Karmazin
Yes (6 votes) : Galaxy, JazMerkin, Killersheep, Spicoli, TigerFan (+1)
No (0 votes) : N/A

Marco Antonio Rubio and Roman Karmazin are voted into the pool

Do we verify the merit of these middleweight pool members retaining their status

Amin Asikainen
Yes (0 votes) : N/A
No (6 votes) : Galaxy, JazMerkin, Killersheep, markb018, TigerFan (+1)

Dimitri Pirog
Yes (6 votes) : Galaxy, JazMerkin, Killersheep, markb018, TigerFan (+1)
No (0 votes) : N/A

Asikainen is dropped by a vote of 6-0

Pirog is Verified by a vote of 6-0

Does Jamie Moore drop from the pool after two losses in a row?

Yes (6 votes) : Galaxy, JazMerkin (+1), Killersheep, TigerFan, Violent Demise
No (0 votes) : N/A

Moore drops from the pool by a vote of 6-0

JazMerkin's manager vote for April
Retroacting rule of 2 losses against Jermain Taylor

Keeps 7th ranking (0 votes) : N/A
Drops 1 place to 8th (1 vote) : Galaxy
Drops 2 places to 9th (2 votes) : markb018, Violent Demise
Drops 3 places to 10th (4 votes) : JazMerkin, Killersheep, Spicoli, TigerFan

Taylor drops 3 places to 10th place by a vote of 4-2-1-0

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Do we reverify these pool members?

David Lopez - Boxer hasn't fought since 4/10/09 where he won against Ossie Duran both came in a 1/2 pound over the limit, before that Lopez hasn't fought at 154 since 2001. His next scheduled fight is at 160.

Sergio Mora - Boxer his last fight was at middleweight (actually over limit) on 4/3/10. His last 154 fight was a loss to Vernon Forrest (RIP) on 9/13/08

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Ok here are the potential candidates.

The winner of Antonio Margarito - Boxer vs. Roberto Garcia - Boxer on 5/8/10. - Margarito is back from his suspension and moves up to Light Middle to try to get his career back on track. Garcia is trying to get a marquee win.

Joe Greene - Boxer - 2004 National Golden Gloves champ, only 24 years old, been absolutely dominant where he should be dominant, doesn't have any big names on his resume, but the potential is there.

Erislandy Lara - Boxer - Cuban National Champ 2000, 2005, 2006 and 2007, Gold Medalist Central American Games 2006. Every one of his fights has been televised he is moving up to fighters with recognizable names as a last stop before going for some titles.

The winner of Shawn Porter - Boxer vs. Raul Pinzon - Boxer - Porter was the 2007 National Golden Gloves champ, a 2008 Olympic alternate. Pinzon is a typical Colombian power punching specialist with only one of his victories going the distance (94% of victories coming by way of stoppage.

Nobuhiro Ishida - Boxer - Ishida is currently holding the mandatory (interim) status for the WBA (Yuri Foreman's title), he has also in the past held the Japanese and OBPF Light Middleweight titles.

Garcia hasn't done shit to earn a nomination for me & Margarito will only get credit from me when he beats an opponent who might at least make me think some of what he used to do was sans plaster.

Greene gets in on promise, I think he has what it takes to be a threat here.

Lara has more than earnt the spot with wins over Brewster & Perez.

I'm not all over Porter like many are because he's a Manny sparring partner, but Pinzon is at least a slight step up & was involved in what might have been FOTY last year if anyone had seen it with Torres.

Ishida hasn't done enough to be in the pool for me regardless of being a mandatory.

Which of the following nominees enter the pool at 154?

The winner of Margarito/Garcia
Yes (2 votes) : Killersheep, TigerFan
No (5 votes) : Cleon, Galaxy, JazMerkin (+1), markb018

Joe Greene
Yes (3 votes) : Cleon, JazMerkin (+1)
No (4 votes) : Galaxy, Killersheep, markb018, TigerFan

Erislandy Lara
Yes (7 votes) : Cleon, Galaxy, JazMerkin (+1), Killersheep, markb018, TigerFan
No (0 votes) : N/A

Porter/Pinzon winner
Yes (3 votes) : Cleon, JazMerkin (+1)
No (4 votes) : Galaxy, Killersheep, markb018, TigerFan

Nobuhiro Ishida
Yes (2 votes) : Killersheep, markb018
No (5 votes) : Cleon, Galaxy, JazMerkin (+1), TigerFan


Only Erislandy Lara enters the 154 pool.

Should David Lopez and Sergio Mora remain in the pool at 154?

Verify Lopez, Verify Mora
(0 votes) : N/A

Drop Lopez, Verify Mora
(0 votes) : N/A

Verify Lopez, Drop Lopez
(0 votes) : N/A

Drop Lopez, Drop Mora
(7 votes) : Cleon, Galaxy, JazMerkin (+1), Killersheep, markb018, TigerFan

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Stieglitz (#7) won a UD over Eduard Gutknecht - Boxer
Eduard is a pool member, should we keep him in the pool or drop him to unranked status?

Here's an account of the fight... Boxing: Stieglitz retains WBO title

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After a clear decision loss to our new title holder Sergio Martinez how far should Pavlik drop?

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After a clear decision loss to our new title holder Sergio Martinez how far should Pavlik drop?

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I think he keeps his spot personally, i can't imagine him being below fighters like Sturm, Slyvester.

I say drop him two spots, he was soundly beaten, Sturm and Sylvester have both been on better win streaks. Sturm has not been as active because of managerial issues, if he doesn't fight before July he may drop to the pool.
The other issue is that Pavlik is not likely to fight at 160 for his next fight.

2 spots seem quite fair in the circumstances.

I have Pavlik staying at #1, what about Pwill's stock, does that rise because he "beat" martinez??

I think Lopez beats Pavlik right now.He drops for me.Man what happened to this division??

Dosnt he stay #1 as there was Rematch clause in the fight?

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

I think Lopez beats Pavlik right now.He drops for me.Man what happened to this division??

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blame zee Germans (and by that I mean German based fighters). Abraham moved up, Sturm had manager problems, Sylvester and Zbik are taking it easy.

I think Pavlik sticks at #1. HE was beaten but we haven't heard of anything from Sturm or Sylvester.

How far does Pavlik drop after his loss to Sergio Martinez?

Retains spot (6 votes) : Cleon, Galaxy, JazMerkin, markb018, TigerFan (+1)

Drops 1 spot to #2 (0 votes) : N/A

Drops 2 spots to #3 (3 votes) : Killersheep, Spicoli, Violent Demise

Drops 3 spots to #4 (0 votes) : N/A

Pavlik retains his spot by a vote of 6-3-0-0

Does Gutknecht remain in the pool after losing to Robert Stieglitz

Yes (4 votes) : Cleon, Galaxy, Killersheep, TigerFan

No (1 vote) : JazMerkin

Gutknechy remains in the pool by a vote of 4-1