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Originally Posted by the wiz
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Yea a 4 round swing is ludicrous. I think it could have gone either way up to a draw. But anything over 1 round is a headscratcher
Man, I wish I lived somewhere were they showed fights like this in bars. The only fight I have ever seen advertised as being shown in a bar here was Mayweather - De La Hoya.Quote:
Originally Posted by the wiz
Nope, and I'll be cheering for Pacquiao if it comes off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlikno shame in that.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHUntil he fights Mayweather ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
I greatly appreciate your support for PAC;)Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHNope, and I'll be cheering for Pacquiao if it comes off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlikno shame in that.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHUntil he fights Mayweather ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
I read in fightnews that Maidana is ok for a rematch, Erik shouldnt have asked for one. I fear for Morales' health :(
When Morales asked for one Maidana came up to the mike and said "we can do it anytime, we can do it tomorrow".Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
I'm sure he would looking at that eye of Morales! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHWhen Morales asked for one Maidana came up to the mike and said "we can do it anytime, we can do it tomorrow".Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
I am cool with a rematch. Morales is never going to be what he was, but he showed that he is still as good as the young ones using all that experience and class. Maidana could neither seriously hurt Morales (Khan) nor stop him (Ortiz). Bring on the rematch and let's see how Morales does with two functioning eyes.
Morales turned in one hell of a performance. Very surprising and impressive. He WON THE FIGHT !
But once again, the judges, in their infinite wisdom screwed him.
A draw woulda been givin Maidana something, but I coulda swallowed a draw.
But a 116-112 victory for Maidana !?
Morales landed the much more accurate effective punches. He lost the last two rounds, but before that he had already won 7 rounds.
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I don't think 116-112 is outside the realms of credibility.
I think the majority would concede Morales lost round 1,2,11 and 12. If they splitthe rest, that would be 116-112.
It's not impossible.
I had it a very close fight, but Maidana deserved the nod imo and 116-112 although a bit wide is hardly a corrupt score.
Bilbo, HAROLD LEDDERMAN HAD IT A DRAW.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Hulk
I don't think 116-112 is outside the realms of credibility.
I think the majority would concede Morales lost round 1,2,11 and 12. If they splitthe rest, that would be 116-112.
It's not impossible.
I had it a very close fight, but Maidana deserved the nod imo and 116-112 although a bit wide is hardly a corrupt score.
LEDDERMAN.
The man scores for the house fighter EVERY SINGLE TIME. And he had it a fucking draw. So what does that tell you ?
Also I had the 2nd round for Morales. Morales won the fihgt and at worst got a draw, even on Harold's scorecard.
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Originally Posted by HulkBilbo, HAROLD LEDDERMAN HAD IT A DRAW.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Hulk
I don't think 116-112 is outside the realms of credibility.
I think the majority would concede Morales lost round 1,2,11 and 12. If they splitthe rest, that would be 116-112.
It's not impossible.
I had it a very close fight, but Maidana deserved the nod imo and 116-112 although a bit wide is hardly a corrupt score.
LEDDERMAN.
The man scores for the house fighter EVERY SINGLE TIME. And he had it a fucking draw. So what does that tell you ?
Also I had the 2nd round for Morales. Morales won the fihgt and at worst got a draw, even on Harold's scorecard.
I don't have a problem with his score either. It was a close fight and many rounds might have gone either way.
It's a subjective sport and we all wanted Morales to win.
Had Morales got the nod 116-112 probably nobody would have cried robbery because he was the sentimental favourite.
But if u lose the first two, and last two rounds, it's going to be hard to win the fight, and I think Morales did lose those so 116-112 isn't impossible.
I'm not saying it's my score, it's just not a robbery.
Like I said I gave the 2nd to Morales, and he won 7 rounds in my book.Quote:
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Originally Posted by HulkBilbo, HAROLD LEDDERMAN HAD IT A DRAW.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboQuote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
I don't think 116-112 is outside the realms of credibility.
I think the majority would concede Morales lost round 1,2,11 and 12. If they splitthe rest, that would be 116-112.
It's not impossible.
I had it a very close fight, but Maidana deserved the nod imo and 116-112 although a bit wide is hardly a corrupt score.
LEDDERMAN.
The man scores for the house fighter EVERY SINGLE TIME. And he had it a fucking draw. So what does that tell you ?
Also I had the 2nd round for Morales. Morales won the fihgt and at worst got a draw, even on Harold's scorecard.
I don't have a problem with his score either. It was a close fight and many rounds might have gone either way.
It's a subjective sport and we all wanted Morales to win.
Had Morales got the nod 116-112 probably nobody would have cried robbery because he was the sentimental favourite.
But if u lose the first two, and last two rounds, it's going to be hard to win the fight, and I think Morales did lose those so 116-112 isn't impossible.
I'm not saying it's my score, it's just not a robbery.
Love to play the Devil's advocate don't ya, you cheeky bastard.;D
I had Maidana ahead by one round but couldn't call the 7th so I scored it even. At least one of those rounds looked really bad for Morales at the start but Maidana wasn't landing clean. I'd have to watch it again, but now I'm wondering what the compubox stats are.
I just think people are too quick to cry robbery. Nobody can convince me that giving rounds 1,2,11 and 12 to Maidana would be corrupt. You may give Morales the second but you can't argue if someone gave it to Maidana.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkLike I said I gave the 2nd to Morales, and he won 7 rounds in my book.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboQuote:
Originally Posted by HulkBilbo, HAROLD LEDDERMAN HAD IT A DRAW.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboQuote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
I don't think 116-112 is outside the realms of credibility.
I think the majority would concede Morales lost round 1,2,11 and 12. If they splitthe rest, that would be 116-112.
It's not impossible.
I had it a very close fight, but Maidana deserved the nod imo and 116-112 although a bit wide is hardly a corrupt score.
LEDDERMAN.
The man scores for the house fighter EVERY SINGLE TIME. And he had it a fucking draw. So what does that tell you ?
Also I had the 2nd round for Morales. Morales won the fihgt and at worst got a draw, even on Harold's scorecard.
I don't have a problem with his score either. It was a close fight and many rounds might have gone either way.
It's a subjective sport and we all wanted Morales to win.
Had Morales got the nod 116-112 probably nobody would have cried robbery because he was the sentimental favourite.
But if u lose the first two, and last two rounds, it's going to be hard to win the fight, and I think Morales did lose those so 116-112 isn't impossible.
I'm not saying it's my score, it's just not a robbery.
Love to play the Devil's advocate don't ya, you cheeky bastard.;D
I'm just saying, you start strong and finish strong you are likely to win the fight.
It was a great fight however and personally I would accept scores up to 116-112 either way. The rounds were close, it was a real cut and thrust fight.
And I'm no devil's advocate, I just happen to be right, and like to tell you all ;D
I missed da fight. Worked a 10 hour shift aday so i dint catch da stream. Can som1 Fill me in on how it went pliz?
Morales started slow in the 1st, but started to come on and land some good jabs, straight rights, hooks and occasional hooks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manuel "Chubby" Medina
He controlled the fight when it was in the center of the ring, but throughout the fight Maidana would back him up against the ropes and pound on him.
Morales looked hurt a couple of times but never wobbly or visibly shaken.
He got in some great exchanges with Maidana and backed him off with combination punches.
Fought his heart out, but faded in the last two rounds and had to survive an onslaught from Maidana.
Probably fight of the year.
Hey man thanx for fillin me in on da info! Rly helped me visualize how it went now im rly sry i missed it!Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkMorales started slow in the 1st, but started to come on and land some good jabs, straight rights, hooks and occasional hooks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manuel "Chubby" Medina
He controlled the fight when it was in the center of the ring, but throughout the fight Maidana would back him up against the ropes and pound on him.
Morales looked hurt a couple of times but never wobbly or visibly shaken.
He got in some great exchanges with Maidana and backed him off with combination punches.
Fought his heart out, but faded in the last two rounds and had to survive an onslaught from Maidana.
Probably fight of the year.
I don't think Maidana prepared well for this fight as far has having a fight plan. The only time he showed anything in the fight was when he tried to over power Morales at the beginning of about 5 rounds. He looked amateurish missing a lot of his punches, it looked like he thought he'd just go in there swinging away and catch Morales and it would be over. The rest of the fight, he was either holding on or simply getting out boxed by a savvy old fighter. What got him the win was his work rate. I would not be surprised to see the compubox stats showing a pretty even fight in total connects with Maidana miss a whole lot more.
I also thought Morales won the second round and deserved at least a draw. 8-4 Maidana is outrageous scoring though. Maidana did finish the stronger though and clearly took 1, 11 and 12. Morales has a very good case in the majority of the other rounds.
I want to see a rematch as it was clear that Morales fought with one eye for at least 8 rounds.
Morales is faded, but clearly not shot. Obviously he had to boil down last time out against Manny and was robbed against Diaz. And once again he has put in a strong showing and with only one eye and in a weight class that we were all awestruck at Manny for attempting to have a go at.
Morales has proven a lot of people wrong and surprised a whole heap more.
Wat happen to Moralez eye?Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Swollen from the end of the first, mostly closed by the end of the 4th. Sealed shut for the later rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manuel "Chubby" MedinaWat happen to Moralez eye?Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Most of the fight saw him fight with a damaged eye. Should have been target practice for Maidana really.
Told everyone it wouldn't b a ko. Maidana doesn't hit that hard, morales experience shows it was a walk in the park but only problem is he was out of weight
Dude, Maidana's selling point is his power the guy has at least a 90% ko ratio:-\Quote:
Originally Posted by Dropanuke
This is a testaments to Erik's chin too.
Maidana power utter rubbish!!
Done deal
I don't think Maidana ever has or will have a game plan to fight anyone specifically, the guy is an archetypal slugger. I am very surprised to read that Morales put up such a good showing regardless though, I really didn't think he'd have anything left, need to watch this today. Obviously styles make fights, but I cant imagine this reflects to well on the 140 pound division as a whole considering Maidana has beaten or run close two guys who are supposed to be the elite.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
Compubox shows what I had expected. Maidana missed a shit load punches.
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They don't make em like Morales anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingI don't think Maidana ever has or will have a game plan to fight anyone specifically, the guy is an archetypal slugger. I am very surprised to read that Morales put up such a good showing regardless though, I really didn't think he'd have anything left, need to watch this today. Obviously styles make fights, but I cant imagine this reflects to well on the 140 pound division as a whole considering Maidana has beaten or run close two guys who are supposed to be the elite.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
I don't agree with this at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingI don't think Maidana ever has or will have a game plan to fight anyone specifically, the guy is an archetypal slugger. I am very surprised to read that Morales put up such a good showing regardless though, I really didn't think he'd have anything left, need to watch this today. Obviously styles make fights, but I cant imagine this reflects to well on the 140 pound division as a whole considering Maidana has beaten or run close two guys who are supposed to be the elite.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
First of all Morales is an all time great, one of the best lower weight fighters of all time. Secondly he is only 34, not 40 like Shane Mosley or 46 like Bernard Hopkins.
True he has been in a lot of wars but he's fairly well rested in recent years and is clearly still in excellent physical shape, with still a stellar chin to fight the fight that he did.
Thirdly, even at his worst he has only been blown away by Manny Pacquaio, and Marquez aside who hasnt Manny blown away in recent years?
He's made David Diaz, Oscar, Ricky Hatton, Migel Cotto, Joshua Clottey and Antonio Margarito all like complete bags of shit over the last couple of years.
I think the weekend showed that Morales still has a lot left, sure he's past his prime, but he's still Morales, he still has a great chin, decent skills and a brilliant boxing brain, as well as being one of the toughest fighters mentally in the whole game.
Finally, Maidana, crude though we know he is, still came through this test. Everyone has been so high on praising Morales that they seem to have ignored or missed the fact that the other man also stood toe to toe with him, traded blow for blow and came back firing every time he was hurt.
If Morales fought a grea fight, then surely Maidana had to as well, and he showed the toughness and no quit attitude that typifies all of his fights.
It may have been all about Eric Morales this weekend but Maidana put on a great showing too imo.
Like most I expect Morales to not have enough speed and legs to cope with a really fast, technical fighter like Khan at this stage, but Maidana isn't that. His game is blood and guts brawling, and for that type of fight Morales is about as tough a challenge as they come.
I was expecting Morales to do well; although he is aged, he had survived a series of bloody battles with prime Marco Antonio Barrera in the past and with that type of wisdom etched into his mind, he did an amazing job in showing Marcos Maidana (imo a slower Barrera with a heavier right hand) and the boxing world just how powerful experience can be.
I love how no one gave Morales a chance and the voting was 5 - 1 and now there are plenty of Morales supporters and the voting is now 5 - 5.
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Those people are really sad. Not gentlemanly conduct.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkYep. People voted AFTER the fight. Bastards...Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
Not gentlemanly in the least. I say we tar and feather them, then hang them at the liberty tree !Quote:
Originally Posted by milesThose people are really sad. Not gentlemanly conduct.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkYep. People voted AFTER the fight. Bastards...Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny