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Another night..... another empty victory for Chavez Jr. How ironic. How in the same card, Vazquez Jr. gets thrown to the lions against the p4p top 5 Donaire..... Baby Chavez gets accolades for beating yet another worthless opponent. Disgusting shet. Of course, Baby Chavez fans will obviously disagree... saying how Rubio was all that. Nonsense. He is being coddled... and his 45 wins mean NOTHING. I hope they make a mistake and throw him in against Martinez... so he can get KTFO'ed.
Damn Wilson just got smashed. Fights on telefutura now.
You can bet team Chavez will duck Martinez until they're just about forced to fight him. I'd like to see Sergio call this bitch out after his fight with Matt Macklin on March 17th. (St. Paddy's day)Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Next up Jeremy "Lights Out" McLaurin vs. Ronny Rios
The question is: Can Junior get to 100 wins like his daddy while ducking live competition? My money is on YES. With Papa pulling the strings... and HBO following along like sheep... I say it's entirely possible. Martinez will be left to rot in "ignore hell" while Junior pads his record just like his daddy.
Fukk them.
Not great, but not a bad night of boxing, at least it wasn't a PPV. - Vitali Klitschko vs. Dereck Chisora in 2 weeks on Feb 17, it might be entertaining watching Chisora get outclassed and KTFO. :cool:
I'd like to believe that Boxing fans and/or the boxing orgs, aren't going to allow Julio Jr to keep ducking Martinez without raising hell about it, but who knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
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Originally Posted by Mars_axI'd like to believe that Boxing fans and/or the boxing orgs, aren't going to allow Julio Jr to keep ducking Martinez without raising hell about it, but who knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
I'd like to share your optimism. But....
And yet they might not entirely duck him. They might wait until Junior is "ready".... in another 10 years. And by that time Martinez will have retired and Chavez's camp will say "SEE? We WANTED to fight him, but he's not available."
Sergio Mora is probably a tougher opponent than Margarito at this point :p.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
I thought Rubio was far more active than Chavez and outlanded him despite what punchstats lying propaganda said.
However, Chavez punches looked a lot harder, even though neither man hurt each other.
Rubio won a good 5 rounds, but had poor body language and looked like the loser.
Terrible fight really.
Vasquez hung tough with Donaire, can hold his head up high. Tough little bugger.
I really find myself at odds with the HBO crew. Aside from Merchant they all seem to find a testicle to hang from and kind of stick with it unless the fight is so one sided that they are forced to see it somewhat different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
I look at Lederman's scorecards and just shrug. I don't remember him being as off as he seems to be these days.
On the whole though I quite enjoyed the fights, but I didn't enjoy what they were saying. Steward is all over the place these days and seems to be forgetting how to finish a sentence that he starts.
They are bias to the point of it being sickening. They overly praise the house guy and don't want to give any credit at all to the underdog. In fact they often talk right over the parts of the fight where the underdog is having is greatest success.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfI really find myself at odds with the HBO crew. Aside from Merchant they all seem to find a testicle to hang from and kind of stick with it unless the fight is so one sided that they are forced to see it somewhat different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
I look at Lederman's scorecards and just shrug. I don't remember him being as off as he seems to be these days.
On the whole though I quite enjoyed the fights, but I didn't enjoy what they were saying. Steward is all over the place these days and seems to be forgetting how to finish a sentence that he starts.
Ledderman is absolutely useless, though he was somewhat fair in the Donaire fight.
I think Emmanuel Steward is just bored these days. He looks like he's ready to fall asleep watching ringside.
Great presentation, often great fights from HBO, but just terrible bias.
the HBO people are all idiots.
they don't even pretend to be objective. it makes watching the fight extremely frustrating because they aren't calling the shots as they happen. they have no credibility. if i could mute them and still get the fight's sound i would.
i watched the fights tonight with commentary by "the colonel" bob sheridan and raul marquez. the colonel is a fucking jackass that seems to have subsisted off the ball sweat of don king... but paired with raul marquez he was bearable and the broadcast was bearable to good. they were able to recognize and acknowledge blows traded and analyzed the fight in a somewhat relevant manner. it was a welcome change.
(bob on his own is terrible.)
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Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
HBO seemed so busy being fanboys and/or licking Julio Jr nuts that they failed to notice Rubio fought a pretty damn good fight. I thought Rubio gave as good as he took, and he was tattooing Jr with some nice combos in the exchanges. This went over the heads of Lampley, Steward and Merchant who seemed mainly interested in promoting Chavez Jr. for HBO.
Yup, it was like Rubio wasn't even there and Julio Jr. is on his way to the BHOF with Daddy.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkThey are bias to the point of it being sickening. They overly praise the house guy and don't want to give any credit at all to the underdog. In fact they often talk right over the parts of the fight where the underdog is having is greatest success.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfI really find myself at odds with the HBO crew. Aside from Merchant they all seem to find a testicle to hang from and kind of stick with it unless the fight is so one sided that they are forced to see it somewhat different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
I look at Lederman's scorecards and just shrug. I don't remember him being as off as he seems to be these days.
On the whole though I quite enjoyed the fights, but I didn't enjoy what they were saying. Steward is all over the place these days and seems to be forgetting how to finish a sentence that he starts.
Ledderman is absolutely useless, though he was somewhat fair in the Donaire fight.
I think Emmanuel Steward is just bored these days. He looks like he's ready to fall asleep watching ringside.
Great presentation, often great fights from HBO, but just terrible bias.
Junior says he wants to fight Sergio, if he can make the weight.
Sergio would Muller him. Donaire - Vasquez was a good fight. Chavez Jr - Rubio was beyond terrible. The coverage was amateurish and poor. I feel sorry for you guys in the states the TV companies over there seem to get away with a production that would struggle to make the grade on a local network over here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
How convenient is this, Chavez Jr didn't take the drug test after the fight, and the WBC conveniently states that they forgot to do the test.
Boxing - Team Rubio charges Chavez Jr. dodged doping test
Corrupt bastards.
Watching the replay Chavez was using that head like a damn ram, that elbow was a third fist for him.
HBO is and has been exceptionally biased for the longest. Its a borderline monopoly and why network-cable boxing MUST make a comeback. Irony that both "house" fighters looked bloated at least one or two weight divisions above.
Not that i'm defending HBO, but come on Beanz, you've got some fucking clowns calling fights in the UK, I hardly see the boxing "productions" there being any better than what HBO, Showtime, or ESPN offer up.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzSergio would Muller him. Donaire - Vasquez was a good fight. Chavez Jr - Rubio was beyond terrible. The coverage was amateurish and poor. I feel sorry for you guys in the states the TV companies over there seem to get away with a production that would struggle to make the grade on a local network over here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
JCC Jnr 115 - 113 Rubio
Donaire 119-109 Vasquez
Donaire is quality, speed and power!
That's about how I saw it too. I disagree with those on here who thought the Donaire fight was closer than Lederman called it. I thought he was actually kind to give round 5 to Vasquez, who did nothing but jab weakly and inconsistently the whole fight. I only gave him 6. That said, I expected more from Donaire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I was not impressed by Chavez; even less by Rubio.
Bit harsh on the colonel there, but i know what you mean. He is a bit bombastic, but that's his style. He is one of the best commentators at the finish of a fight out there, he really goes to town. Marquez does well and is insightful most times. I don't mind them.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
I too like the Colonel a bit. He's a loveable fat ass and has been a staple in boxing commentating for decades.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MANBit harsh on the colonel there, but i know what you mean. He is a bit bombastic, but that's his style. He is one of the best commentators at the finish of a fight out there, he really goes to town. Marquez does well and is insightful most times. I don't mind them.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
His call of the Tyson vs. Douglas fight is awesome.
I think Lampley is the one who has appeared incredibly biased recently.
Kellerman and Merchant have been fine, they're just forced to spend all night trying to bring Lampley back to reality.
WBC is saying that it isn't their job to handle drug tests; it's the job of the local commissions. According to the WBC, it is the fault of the Texas Commission.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diane
Is this true?
In defense of Chavez Jr., the Rubio win is a good win. I hate that he didn't take the post-fight drug tests because given his history in failing a drug test, it taints this win. However, if we give him the benefit of the doubt, a win over Rubio is arguably better thany any win Andy Lee or Dmitry Pirog have at this point. Right? This win makes Chavez Jr. a legitimate top ten middleweight. There can be no debate about it. Sergio Martinez, Gennady Golovkin and Dmitry Pirog would beat him. Felix Sturm probably has too much boxing ability for Chavez Jr. Sturm is now fighting Chavez Jr.'s leftovers in Zbik after Zbik turned down a fight with Proksa. I could see Chavez Jr. beating Lee and maybe Geale, not saying it would go that way, but I can see it. He may be too big for Proksa who is a smaller middleweight.
I agree with that, Steward tends to be bias for the fighter he believes is going to win, I love it when they lose big or get KTFO and he looks like an idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
Don't get me wrong, I like all the HBO announcers including Lamps & Steward, I just wish they'd be more objective at times, and in Lampley's case, less histrionic/emotional.
I'm having trouble harmonizing the two bolded statements. I agree with the second one and therefore disagree with the first. Pirog would be a step up from Rubio for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Why give Chavez Jr. the benefit of doubt? He's already failed a drug test, and recieved a seven month suspension from the Nevada State Athletic Commission, and it looks like he would have failed another one if the legally required testing was done after the Rubio fight. In addition to that he was busted for driving drunk in California 2 weeks ago. He has no credibilty at all, and there's no telling what drugs he might have taken before the Rubio fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
That's just what i'd expect the fucking crooks at the WBC to say, since the WBC may as well be considered part of team Chavez. Just haul ass back to Mexico without providing a urine sample, then blame it on the Texas Commission, brilliant.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratQuote:
Originally Posted by Diane
WBC is saying that it isn't their job to handle drug tests; it's the job of the local commissions. According to the WBC, it is the fault of the Texas Commission.
Is this true?
It's highly likely he took some kind of banned diuretic to drop that last 5 pounds on weigh-in day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axWhy give Chavez Jr. the benefit of doubt? He's already failed a drug test, and recieved a seven month suspension from the Nevada State Athletic Commission, and it looks like he would have failed another one if the legally required testing was done after the Rubio fight. In addition to that he was busted for driving drunk in California 2 weeks ago. He has no credibilty at all, and there's no telling what drugs he might have taken before the Rubio fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
A win over Rubio arguably is better than any win on Pirog's record. Yet, that doesn't mean I don't favor Pirog over Chavez Jr. I'm just making the point that Chavez Jr. holds two legit wins over decent competition, putting all other controversy aside. Wouldn't you agree that he's done more than Pirog has even though Pirog appears more talented?Quote:
Originally Posted by shzaI'm having trouble harmonizing the two bolded statements. I agree with the second one and therefore disagree with the first. Pirog would be a step up from Rubio for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
I am not saying I give Chavez Jr. the benefit of the doubt. Considering his history of using illegal substances, I agree with you that I don't believe it is warranted. Frankly, if I were in Chavez Jr.'s camp, I would have forced the Texas commission to give Chavez Jr. the test, otherwise his win is tainted. Someone needs to do some investigative journalism to find out if indeed it was Texas that dropped the ball on his test or if Chavez Jr. avoided taking the test.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axWhy give Chavez Jr. the benefit of doubt? He's already failed a drug test, and recieved a seven month suspension from the Nevada State Athletic Commission, and it looks like he would have failed another one if the legally required testing was done after the Rubio fight. In addition to that he was busted for driving drunk in California 2 weeks ago. He has no credibilty at all, and there's no telling what drugs he might have taken before the Rubio fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
It's been two days, regardless of the finger pointing now it's realized. Has he tested yet?if not, why. The guy looked like a bloated lt hvy. I think there is a huge amount of cya going on and it smells.
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Sorry, yes. I misread the first sentence as saying that a win over Rubio was arguably better than a win over Pirog, which, re-reading it, is not what it says.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratA win over Rubio arguably is better than any win on Pirog's record. Yet, that doesn't mean I don't favor Pirog over Chavez Jr. I'm just making the point that Chavez Jr. holds two legit wins over decent competition, putting all other controversy aside. Wouldn't you agree that he's done more than Pirog has even though Pirog appears more talented?Quote:
Originally Posted by shzaI'm having trouble harmonizing the two bolded statements. I agree with the second one and therefore disagree with the first. Pirog would be a step up from Rubio for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
So I agree with you on both counts.
If what I read is true, Julio Jr. was supposed to give a urine sample to the Texas Commission in the dressing room after the fight, but left in a hurry without giving it. I can almost guarantee you that the Texas Commission is not at fault here, this is all on team Chavez.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratI am not saying I give Chavez Jr. the benefit of the doubt. Considering his history of using illegal substances, I agree with you that I don't believe it is warranted. Frankly, if I were in Chavez Jr.'s camp, I would have forced the Texas commission to give Chavez Jr. the test, otherwise his win is tainted. Someone needs to do some investigative journalism to find out if indeed it was Texas that dropped the ball on his test or if Chavez Jr. avoided taking the test.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axWhy give Chavez Jr. the benefit of doubt? He's already failed a drug test, and recieved a seven month suspension from the Nevada State Athletic Commission, and it looks like he would have failed another one if the legally required testing was done after the Rubio fight. In addition to that he was busted for driving drunk in California 2 weeks ago. He has no credibilty at all, and there's no telling what drugs he might have taken before the Rubio fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
The bottom line is, if this is true, Julio Jr is cheating to give himself an advantage, I can understand Rubio being pissed off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
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Originally Posted by Diane
That's all I needed.... another reason to dislike Chavez Jr. and his team even MORE. And Sulaiman continues to reach new depths in his sleazyness and stupidity. Is there no end to this circus? The "Coddled One" getting spoon-fed opponents, hopefully on his way to 100 chickenshet wins, with his overbearing daddy and corrupt countryman Sulaiman paving the way? What the f*ck is this? This is indefensible. It's so sad it's even funny in a sick, twisted way. Sulaiman should be forced to retire his sleazy ass.... and The Baby should be FORCED to start fighting meaningful opponents. But of course... that won't happen, because Sulaiman has an iron grip on the WBC.... and because Papa Chavez apparently has some clout with the promoters and the networks. And apparently they can get away with shet that the Average Joe can't. Pure bullsh*t.
Other than that I got no problem with it.