Non-British perspective: Froch easier to like than was Calzaghe

Nonsense
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I don't see how Calzaghe wasn't fan friendly. He sold out stadiums and finished out his career throwing a 1000 punches a round on HBO. How more exciting can a fighter be?

If we are talking fan friendly, Calzaghe is no Bernard Hopkins.

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Miles... he sold out stadiums. No doubt about that. Any British fighter with an undefeated record, not a very common occurence for any fighter nowadays, will do that. And hand it to the British... they certainly know how to back their fighters.

But I'd rather see someone throw 100 real punches in a round, than someone throwing 1000 slaps. It's that simple. Workrate is one thing... effective punching is another. And no... Calzaghe is no Bernard Hopkins. I wouldn't exactly call Bernard fan friendly either... but for even more reasons. Not only was Bernard's mauling and grappling style painful to watch... but Hopkins himself didn't care what the fans thought or didn't think of him. Calzaghe was probably a pretty good bloke... but the "flurries" that brought the fans out of their seats were sometimes hilarious. Few real punches thrown with bad intentions. Let's just say slow-motion replays were not Calzaghe's best friends.

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You really seem to have a personal dislike of Calzaghe and his style.

I maintain that he was fan friendly. He threw punches in bunches and a lot of them. People like fighters that throw combinations and Calzaghe was popular because of it. Hopkins was not fan friendly. Ward is not fan friendly. But Calzaghe was. Like Paul Williams he would unleash a lot of punches and not stop. What isn't fun to watch about that? Sure in doing so he could be a little sloppy, but so what? Is that anything to really get upset about and argue for 13 pages?

Calzaghe was a quality fighter with a decent resume. Yes, there are holes but as has been pointed out Hopkins wasn't any better prior to going up and calling out smaller men as was his thing before. Calzaghe could have called out LMW's but what would that really mean. Just a man beating on smaller men. Winky Wright at LHW for instance? Nuts. Ooh but it's a name! :rolleyes:

The trouble with this post most of us are going over old ground, me included not mater what any one's say's Joe Calzaghe was a hell of a good fighter.
No mater what's been said and done Calzaghe will be in the Hall Of Fame, and he has his place in boxing history. When Calzaghe name is in any post it like a red rag to a bull, he's a slapper he did not fight so and so he beat them a but not in there prime. I think with some people it's a love hate thing with fighters
this includes myself. You no I don't like Hopkins but I give the old git credit, he's one hell of a fighter it's what you like. Remember all pro fighters are brave you need to be to get in that ring,weather you are a journey man contender or Champion.
No mater what all theses guys are warriors they truly are.:)

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Who's Fanny? I hope you're not refering to The Fenster.

So this time i've upset you by merely asking you to explain the difference between Hopkins and Calzaghe's career title runs - after you claimed Hopkins' was superior. That's all I asked. Yet somehow this has sent you into a deranged, foul-mouthed frenzy mentioning The Fenster in every other post.

So lets put this to bed from my end (for the 50th time).

1. TitoFan has seen two Calzaghe fights. TitoFan didn't like his punching technique. TitoFan also don't like that Calzaghe fought Manfredo. NEVER once in the entire thread have I questioned this. It's just your personal opinion. I'm only interested in debating facts and figures.

2. If you look back over the thread you'll see that I was arguing with Althguz on an entirely different matter. When you entered the debate, you didn't challenge any points that I made, you quoted one of my posts and then proceeded to launch a tirade of insults at me (it's post no.71). A theme you have continued with for the remainder of the thread.

I still have no idea what I did to upset you so much.

Once you've reviewed the situation I will gracefully accept your apology. Fact.

Cue another seven pages! ;D

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Who's Fanny? I hope you're not refering to The Fenster.

So this time i've upset you by merely asking you to explain the difference between Hopkins and Calzaghe's career title runs - after you claimed Hopkins' was superior. That's all I asked. Yet somehow this has sent you into a deranged, foul-mouthed frenzy mentioning The Fenster in every other post.

So lets put this to bed from my end (for the 50th time).

1. TitoFan has seen two Calzaghe fights. TitoFan didn't like his punching technique. TitoFan also don't like that Calzaghe fought Manfredo. NEVER once in the entire thread have I questioned this. It's just your personal opinion. I'm only interested in debating facts and figures.

2. If you look back over the thread you'll see that I was arguing with Althguz on an entirely different matter. When you entered the debate, you didn't challenge any points that I made, you quoted one of my posts and then proceeded to launch a tirade of insults at me (it's post no.71). A theme you have continued with for the remainder of the thread.

I still have no idea what I did to upset you so much.

Once you've reviewed the situation I will respectfully submit my apology. Fact.

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Ahem..... I accept. Am I'm impressed you went to so much trouble to count numbers of posts and pages. Dare I say.... I'm even a bit flattered. Seems we're reaching a conclusion to this long, but spirited thread.


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BTW, not to fan the flames any longer... but it's always been my opinion that undefeated records cannot be looked at in a vacuum. That there are plenty of fighters who have been defeated at some time in their careers whose resumes far outshine those of other fighters who are undefeated. But don't just take my word for it. Others also feel that way.


Undefeated Records in Boxing: Impressive or Overrated?



Be that as it may, I do not begrudge Calzaghe's record in any way, shape, or form. All this time I've been merely stating a personal opinion, which is that... for my money... I did not enjoy Calzaghe's style of fighting. It was brought up that "early Calzaghe" was a knockout artist. I would appreciate seeing footage of any of those fights, so I could say I've seen an enjoyable Calzaghe fight. Through no fault of his own, he somehow developed brittle hands. That he adapted to that and continued winning, is very admirable. I've said this before, also. I've seen him interviewed, and he comes across as a likable fellow... so no qualms there. He even provided a very comical highlight, which still makes me laugh to this day... his bizarre humping of Hopkins in their fight. I've never liked Hopkins' style either... so aside from this circus sideshow, this fight was on par with Chinese torture for me. And of course, I've lambasted the guy for including Peter Manfredo among his later victims. And it was the manner in which the fight was stopped which only added insult to injury.

So to sum up... I'm not the "frothing-at-the-mouth" anti-Calzaghe lunatic all JC fans are making me out to be. I'm more than happy giving the man his due props. But if can't state my honest opinions without creating a national state of emergency... then we're not all being very objective here.

Nothing really left to be said is there? It's all pretty much spelled out.

Calzaghe had the best punch technique I've ever seen, and Froch hasn't fought nearly the caliber of opponents that he did. What do you guys think? I'm really interested.

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This is a classic cop out. You're specifically dodging answering the first point that The Fenster made in this post :

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...ml#post1075988


You were clearly wrong about this, weren't you?

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This is a classic cop out. You're specifically dodging answering the first point that The Fenster made in this post :

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...ml#post1075988


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What? That I said nobody had said anything about Calzaghe ducking and Fenst dragged up a post from Althugz to the contrary? Yeah so what? You want some fries with that medal? What's your fucking point? I didn't say anything about Calzaghe ducking. How about that? Better? You have any other constructive adds to this thread?

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@TitoFan

1. The post number is in the top right hand corner of every post. Fact (surely not even you can get upset about that fact).

2. Your unprovoked malicious assault on The Fenster has only served to make you look a complete and utter disgrace. You have not attempted to answer a single question posed by The Fenster. You should be ashamed of yourself. Fact.

I'm a fan of both. I would wether watch Froch anytime. You get your money worth with Froch. To me Calzaghe is a much better all around fighter. Prime vs prime Calzaghe would win with ease.

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1. The post number is in the top right hand corner of every post. Fact (surely not even you can get upset about that fact).

2. Your unprovoked malicious assault on The Fenster has only served to make you look a complete and utter disgrace. You have not attempted to answer a single question posed by The Fenster. You should be ashamed of yourself. Fact.

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Malicious, yes. Unprovoked, no.
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Your pathetic "not attempted to answer a single question" line is frankly overused. It's easy to use, and needs no substantiating. We've been going round and around so much you probably don't even remember what, if any, the questions were. We don't agree on anything... that's the bottom line. But I don't hold it against you. You can't help yourself.

If you notice, I'm trying to taper off on the "back-and-forth". But you and some other oddballs are not letting it go. So I'm forced to continue these tirades. Let the record show I'm trying to end these endless and pointless exchanges. Don't you have some other "Mod" things you need to be taking care of?

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We've been going round and around so much you probably don't even remember what, if any, the questions were. We don't agree on anything... that's the bottom line. But I don't hold it against you. You can't help yourself.

If you notice, I'm trying to taper off on the "back-and-forth". But you and some other oddballs are not letting it go. So I'm forced to continue these tirades. Let the record show I'm trying to end these endless and pointless exchanges. Don't you have some other "Mod" things you need to be taking care of?

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I think that’s pretty big of you and I would like apologize for my part if I came across as a tool. We all lost the plot a bit once the hair was raised. I joined this forum a couple of years ago and don’t get around posting much but when I do this is one of the most level headed well informed of the forums I visit. I have no axe to grind with you and have respected your opinions on many matters. It just so happens we sit at different ends of the table where Cal is concerned and that’s cool. I sincerely apologize again if I was out of line in a personal way. Not my intent. My energy level for getting into key board wars on boxing forums ran its course.

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We've been going round and around so much you probably don't even remember what, if any, the questions were. We don't agree on anything... that's the bottom line. But I don't hold it against you. You can't help yourself.

If you notice, I'm trying to taper off on the "back-and-forth". But you and some other oddballs are not letting it go. So I'm forced to continue these tirades. Let the record show I'm trying to end these endless and pointless exchanges. Don't you have some other "Mod" things you need to be taking care of?

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I think that’s pretty big of you and I would like apologize for my part if I came across as a tool. We all lost the plot a bit once the hair was raised. I joined this forum a couple of years ago and don’t get around posting much but when I do this is one of the most level headed well informed of the forums I visit. I have no axe to grind with you and have respected your opinions on many matters. It just so happens we sit at different ends of the table where Cal is concerned and that’s cool. I sincerely apologize again if I was out of line in a personal way. Not my intent. My energy level for getting into key board wars on boxing forums ran its course.

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You were never out of line in a personal way. Between you and me it was strictly debate. But I thank and appreciate that you came forth that way... it's something we can all learn from. I myself apologize for anything personally insulting I may have said. It's difficult sometimes to argue with several people at the same time, because while some are level-headed and can keep things on an even keel... others resort to insults and ridiculing. So when I respond, I need to keep my responses personalized. But I truly, truly appreciate you coming back in that manner. It shows why we all keep coming back to this forum, and stay away from other, less civilized forums.

:)

@TitoFan

I know precisely what questions I asked. Would you like me to repeat them? The first question was - "Explain the difference between Hopkins and Cazlaghe's title defences?" (this question was posed after YOU claimed Hopkins 160 title reign was superior to Calzaghe's). The second question was - "what fighters did Calzaghe not face?" (this question was in conjunction with the other question).

Every other post you've made towards The Fenster has been to insult him. You don't even have the dignity to explain why The Fenster upset you so much and exactly why you have such vitriolic hatred towards him. You have shown nothing but a shocking lack of class.

You have offended my family, and you have offended the Shaolin temple. Fact.

Well, I definitely do not want to offend your family.... NOR the Shaolin temple, lest I get hit with a lightning bolt.

Regarding the difference between the title runs of Calzaghe and Hopkins, they're not that all much different, in that they're both mediocre (lack of quality opponents, in case you require an explanation). I don't defend Hopkins as much as I do criticize some things about Calzaghe. Neither fighter was all that much fun to watch, for me. Hopkins because he often resorted to dirty tactics and many of his fights ended in controversy.... and Calzaghe because his punches were not the type of punches I like to see thrown by professional boxers. And when he threw a flurry, it looked funny in slow-motion replay. I do maintain that Hopkins' list of opponents throughout his career is a level above that of Calzaghe's. Matter of opinion, mostly.

Now... about your being offended so easily:

This appears to be a psychological problem. I can help with that, as I have some non-official training in such matters. First thing you do is you pour yourself a good shot of Puerto Rican rum before you sit down to post on the forum. You don't just down it... you sip it, to enjoy the full-bodied warmth of the liquor. Then, you look out the window (providing you have one nearby) and concentrate on a peaceful scenery outside. Birds chirping would be a plus. You do some neck and finger stretching exercises... you do some controlled breathing... and you try to think of something positive to say about everyone in the forum. Matter of fact... a heartfelt "Good morning!!" would be an excellent choice. And beyond that is your choice. I can, however, recommend that you indulge in some of my wisdom (no need to thank me), to guide you through your posting experience.

If that doesn't work... find yourself a 10-dollar hooker and get yourself good and laid.

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@TitoFan you really have lost the plot if you think @Fenster needs lessons or encouragement when it comes to drinking.

Bump! :D This is too much fun..

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Never a truer word spoken.

Page 16. All a bit weird if you ask me.

Blame Fenny. He keeps coming back for more........ and I'm happy to oblige.

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Let's just say you're not trolling and you're actually serious. You've only seen a couple of his fights and you're an expert on him. One of the fights you have seen was against Hopkins and you're upset because Calzaghe didn't look very good against Hopkins, as compared to all the people who fought him and looked sensational. If you're going to prattle on about how rubbish Calzaghe was you at least need to have watched a few more of his fights.

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Let's just say you're not trolling and you're actually serious. You've only seen a couple of his fights and you're an expert on him. One of the fights you have seen was against Hopkins and you're upset because Calzaghe didn't look very good against Hopkins, as compared to all the people who fought him and looked sensational. If you're going to prattle on about how rubbish Calzaghe was you at least need to have watched a few more of his fights.

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So, you want Tito to watch more Calzaghe fights to make your point? You must really hate the poor dude.

Don't do it, Tito...

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So, you want Tito to watch more Calzaghe fights to make your point? You must really hate the poor dude.

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He may learn something, sorry I forgot you no everything I must act my age may I ask you no that gravy browning you cover yourself in is it toxic.;D

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He may learn something, sorry I forgot you no everything I must act my age may I ask you no that gravy browning you cover yourself in is it toxic.;D

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Probably! It smelt nice and citrusy though ;)

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Tell you what, Kirky. If you've got some tape of yourself getting a colonoscopy.... I'd rather watch that than any more of Calzaghe's fights. Probably more exciting.

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Tell you what, Kirky. If you've got some tape of yourself getting a colonoscopy.... I'd rather watch that than any more of Calzaghe's fights. Probably more exciting.

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