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Re: General Election 2015
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Greenbeanz
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Originally Posted by
Memphis
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Greenbeanz
An NHS that would collapse without the skilled surgeons, nurses, physio therapists, etc that keep it going. Many of whom are Immigrants. Just like you and Miles. Only way more qualified.
I dont understand this narative either. It's a shop worn response but where does anyone mention that these people filling vital roles would be at risk? It's as if the UKIP goon squad are going to be kicking down theatre doors mid bypass so they can round up and throw Jonny Nignog on the next boat home.
Madness.
Yes they do actually mate. If you look at what people standing for UKIP say, they just lump everyone into the same boat and generalise.
One of my sourounding UKIP members is Black, the other one Russian, and both women!!!! :D
In all seriousness I cant know the thoughts of every UKIP member on immigration. The picture being painted publicly though is to me at least one of fairness.
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Re: General Election 2015
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Memphis
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
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Originally Posted by
Memphis
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
An NHS that would collapse without the skilled surgeons, nurses, physio therapists, etc that keep it going. Many of whom are Immigrants. Just like you and Miles. Only way more qualified.
I dont understand this narative either. It's a shop worn response but where does anyone mention that these people filling vital roles would be at risk? It's as if the UKIP goon squad are going to be kicking down theatre doors mid bypass so they can round up and throw Jonny Nignog on the next boat home.
Madness.
Yes they do actually mate. If you look at what people standing for UKIP say, they just lump everyone into the same boat and generalise.
One of my sourounding UKIP members is Black, the other one Russian, and both women!!!! :D
In all seriousness I cant know the thoughts of every UKIP member on immigration. The picture being painted publicly though is to me at least one of fairness.
Some of the most racist people I have ever met have been Immigrants or people with foreign wives. One does not preclude the other.;D
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Re: General Election 2015
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Greenbeanz
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Originally Posted by
Memphis
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
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Originally Posted by
Memphis
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
An NHS that would collapse without the skilled surgeons, nurses, physio therapists, etc that keep it going. Many of whom are Immigrants. Just like you and Miles. Only way more qualified.
I dont understand this narative either. It's a shop worn response but where does anyone mention that these people filling vital roles would be at risk? It's as if the UKIP goon squad are going to be kicking down theatre doors mid bypass so they can round up and throw Jonny Nignog on the next boat home.
Madness.
Yes they do actually mate. If you look at what people standing for UKIP say, they just lump everyone into the same boat and generalise.
One of my sourounding UKIP members is Black, the other one Russian, and both women!!!! :D
In all seriousness I cant know the thoughts of every UKIP member on immigration. The picture being painted publicly though is to me at least one of fairness.
Some of the most racist people I have ever met have been Immigrants or people with foreign wives. One does not preclude the other.;D
Nevertheless, you'd have to conceeed that 2 women, 1 black and 1 Russian must be at odds with the collective sexist racist anti EU UKIP mo?
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Re: General Election 2015
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ryanman
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Memphis
Free parking in hospitals
Plus I did a 'What party should you vote for' form on facebook and it said I was 70% UKIP.
and to think I thought you were alright ;)
We all make mistakes mate :)
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Re: General Election 2015
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brocktonblockbust
If beanz didnt have me and you to run down Miles, he would be forced to face his abject misery dead on in the mirror. We are giving him a fire in his belly, a reason to rant and judge and mock.
Poor old sod, I just realized where he is coming from. :eek:
Beanzy, do keep it coming ol' boy. I know what it does for you.
If you really believed that about Greenbeanz - About his mental illness you have diagnosed and his abject misery (mentioned multiple times) wouldn't you be a total cunt for taunting him with it?
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Why do the Brits make UKIP out to be the second coming of the Nazis?
Can you not beat them on the field of ideas? Must you call names?
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Re: General Election 2015
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El Kabong
Why do the Brits make UKIP out to be the second coming of the Nazis?
Can you not beat them on the field of ideas? Must you call names?
They are a party that is contradictory, opportunistic and with no real substance.
They are an anti-political protest party. Many people find that attractive.
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Re: General Election 2015
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Master
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
Why do the Brits make UKIP out to be the second coming of the Nazis?
Can you not beat them on the field of ideas? Must you call names?
They are a party that is contradictory, opportunistic and with no real substance.
They are an anti-political protest party. Many people find that attractive.
Expand please Master. Staccato sound bites don't really mean a lot. You could apply most of what you just said to any party.
I think it's three fold.
1. People don't like change, change is bad!
2. It's easy to follow the beaten path and brand them all racists.
3. UKIP have made 2. very easy on occasions by saying stupid shit.
The big two parties are jointly responsible for more misery, more fuck ups than you can shake a stick at over decades and decades. It's worrying that people are happy to accept or ignore it in the name of not rocking the boat, obligation, whatever else you care to add
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The trouble is UKIP do not offer a real alternative. They take the worst ideas rejected by the admittedly hypocritical and useless main two parties and pretend that is some kind of manifesto. They are terrified of change and seek to roll back Britain to the 1970s.
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Re: General Election 2015
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Memphis
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Master
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Memphis
Free parking in hospitals<br />
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Plus I did a 'What party should you vote for' form on facebook and it said I was 70% UKIP.
You are entitled to an opinion and I would encourage everyone to vote especially you as it is your first time. Did you watch the debate UKIP solution to everything is ban immigration, get out of the EU and everything will be alright.
Yes I watched it. Master that's just not right is it. No one talked about banning immigration and no one talked about leaving the EU as a fix all make everyone's dreams come true solution.
Yet if that isn't their opinion - that leaving the EU fixes everything, then what are their other policies?
They certainly don't articulate any other policies. I wonder if they have any that are remotely fleshed out. Therefore it does seem that they do in fact think that leaving the EU is going to fix things by itself.
Also, you have to question the priorities of the man and his party when he has stated that 'the first thing I'd do' is to deal with immigrants that are HIV positive.
The first fucking thing?? That relates to about 4000 people a year (that's his figures).
I'm sorry but if that is the thing more than anything else you feel you have to sort out then to my mind you are coming from a place of prejudice and hate and not the national interest.
Or could an intelligent rational person agree with him that that should be priority number one for the next government?
He hasn't just said this once he has said it multiple times over the last year.
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Re: General Election 2015
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Memphis
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Master
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El Kabong
Why do the Brits make UKIP out to be the second coming of the Nazis?
Can you not beat them on the field of ideas? Must you call names?
They are a party that is contradictory, opportunistic and with no real substance.
They are an anti-political protest party. Many people find that attractive.
Expand please Master. Staccato sound bites don't really mean a lot. You could apply most of what you just said to any party.
I think it's three fold.
1. People don't like change, change is bad!
2. It's easy to follow the beaten path and brand them all racists.
3. UKIP have made 2. very easy on occasions by saying stupid shit.
The big two parties are jointly responsible for more misery, more fuck ups than you can shake a stick at over decades and decades. It's worrying that people are happy to accept or ignore it in the name of not rocking the boat, obligation, whatever else you care to add
I'd say that it is UKIP supporters that don't like change mate. Generally speaking.
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Re: General Election 2015
@brocktonblockbust This is not to have a pop at you but I notice that you seem to think of UKIP as a modern, progressive party that the elite want to keep out. But in fact they are the opposite. They are the most reactionary and conservative (with a small c) party to enter mainstream politics for a generation. They have no desire to create a more just society. None at all.
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Re: General Election 2015
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Originally Posted by
Memphis
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
An NHS that would collapse without the skilled surgeons, nurses, physio therapists, etc that keep it going. Many of whom are Immigrants. Just like you and Miles. Only way more qualified.
I dont understand this narative either. It's a shop worn response but where does anyone mention that these people filling vital roles would be at risk? It's as if the UKIP goon squad are going to be kicking down theatre doors mid bypass so they can round up and throw Jonny Nignog on the next boat home.
Madness.
Say what you like Memphis but don't start bringing my mate Jonny into it! :mad:
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Re: General Election 2015
Sorry for posting 4 times in a row.
Now 5.
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Re: General Election 2015
In what way Ryan?
I wouldn't call myself a UKIP supporter as such, I'm a bit too green for that so whilst I think I know where you're coming from I cant be sure.
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Re: General Election 2015
OK I really should have quoted there :D
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Re: General Election 2015
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Memphis
In what way Ryan?
I wouldn't call myself a UKIP supporter as such, I'm a bit too green for that so whilst I think I know where you're coming from I cant be sure.
I got the one you meant!
Well UKIP are a reactionary party. They would like to roll things back to 'the way they were'. Despite the fact that actually things have never been as 'good' (but could and should be so much better). Abject child poverty, complete lack of social mobility etc only gets worse the further back in time you go. I think you said yourself that there has never been a better time for the ordinary man to make his way in the world. And you are right (well, I might not include the last 5 years in that but generally yes).
Now primarily their means to roll things back is reverse immigration and to leave the EU. But it also extends to changing employment law to give bosses more powers. It involves repealing the Human Rights act etc etc.
Now I don't know many people that enjoy the 'nanny state' but UKIPs answer seems to be to roll back the government to such an extent that the vulnerable in society would be left to drown. Their politics to me seem to be lifted from the Victorian era therefore it seems to me that it is they that don't like change and would like to undo a hundred years of it.
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Re: General Election 2015
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El Kabong
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Kirkland Laing
Yes, it's a "popular view" because it's actually correct. It's popular among people who look at the facts and understand them. And you're not understanding any of the stuff I'm explaining judging by the questions you're asking.
And even if I do manage to explain it to you it'll only fall off your little shelf in a couple of days anyway.
It's the "popular view" not the correct view. But hey, I won't stop you from carrying water for your boy
Firstly the labour force participation rate has been falling since 2000, so I'm carrying water for Bush and Obama. Secondly it's a simple fact that half the fall of the rate since then is entirely due to the huge number of baby boomers retiring over the 2000-now period. It's a "popular view" among people who can read and understand the facts because it's a fact.
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Re: General Election 2015
Will have something to say about UKIP and what have you when I get a minute.
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ryanman
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brocktonblockbust This is not to have a pop at you but I notice that you seem to think of UKIP as a modern, progressive party that the elite want to keep out. But in fact they are the opposite. They are the most reactionary and conservative (with a small c) party to enter mainstream politics for a generation. They have no desire to create a more just society. None at all.
I will always respect a civil and respectful post like the one that you have just written. Yes I do realize that they are the most reactionary and Conservative Party for quite a long time now. I would not go so far to say that they have absolutely zero zilch nada desire to create a more just society. but I do realize that they are capitalizing on a lot of fear mongering and unspoken bigotry in order to try to gain votes.
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Re: General Election 2015
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Kirkland Laing
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El Kabong
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Kirkland Laing
Yes, it's a "popular view" because it's actually correct. It's popular among people who look at the facts and understand them. And you're not understanding any of the stuff I'm explaining judging by the questions you're asking.
And even if I do manage to explain it to you it'll only fall off your little shelf in a couple of days anyway.
It's the "popular view" not the correct view. But hey, I won't stop you from carrying water for your boy
Firstly the labour force participation rate has been falling since 2000, so I'm carrying water for Bush and Obama. Secondly it's a simple fact that half the fall of the rate since then is entirely due to the huge number of baby boomers retiring over the 2000-now period. It's a "popular view" among people who can read and understand the facts because it's a fact.
Ok
THE
NUMBERS
DON'T
AGREE
WITH
YOU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpqNjLX_hTs
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Re: General Election 2015
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
Yes, it's a "popular view" because it's actually correct. It's popular among people who look at the facts and understand them. And you're not understanding any of the stuff I'm explaining judging by the questions you're asking.
And even if I do manage to explain it to you it'll only fall off your little shelf in a couple of days anyway.
It's the "popular view" not the correct view. But hey, I won't stop you from carrying water for your boy
Firstly the labour force participation rate has been falling since 2000, so I'm carrying water for Bush and Obama. Secondly it's a simple fact that half the fall of the rate since then is entirely due to the huge number of baby boomers retiring over the 2000-now period. It's a "popular view" among people who can read and understand the facts because it's a fact.
Ok
THE
NUMBERS
DON'T
AGREE
WITH
YOU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpqNjLX_hTs
Resorting to the UKIP approach of dealing with people who disagree with you isn't going to help you win the argument.
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Re: General Election 2015
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superheavyrhun
Resorting to the UKIP approach of dealing with people who disagree with you isn't going to help you win the argument.
Well using the actual numbers didn't get through his fucking skull sooooo.....have any suggestions?
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Re: General Election 2015
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Master
Mehhh, no.
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Re: General Election 2015
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El Kabong
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superheavyrhun
Resorting to the UKIP approach of dealing with people who disagree with you isn't going to help you win the argument.
Well using the actual numbers didn't get through his fucking skull sooooo.....have any suggestions?
Numbers are about as fluid as the policies of political parties. No party is going to use numbers that paint them negatively, and will choose their numbers with care, therefore, while there is often one set of numbers that show one thing, there will be another set of statistics that show the polar opposite. Numbers may not lie, but they can be used to paint very different pictures depending on agenda and political leaning.
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superheavyrhun
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
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superheavyrhun
Resorting to the UKIP approach of dealing with people who disagree with you isn't going to help you win the argument.
Well using the actual numbers didn't get through his fucking skull sooooo.....have any suggestions?
Numbers are about as fluid as the policies of political parties. No party is going to use numbers that paint them negatively, and will choose their numbers with care, therefore, while there is often one set of numbers that show one thing, there will be another set of statistics that show the polar opposite. Numbers may not lie, but they can be used to paint very different pictures depending on agenda and political leaning.
The numbers are not partisan
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Re: General Election 2015
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El Kabong
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Originally Posted by
superheavyrhun
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
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Originally Posted by
superheavyrhun
Resorting to the UKIP approach of dealing with people who disagree with you isn't going to help you win the argument.
Well using the actual numbers didn't get through his fucking skull sooooo.....have any suggestions?
Numbers are about as fluid as the policies of political parties. No party is going to use numbers that paint them negatively, and will choose their numbers with care, therefore, while there is often one set of numbers that show one thing, there will be another set of statistics that show the polar opposite. Numbers may not lie, but they can be used to paint very different pictures depending on agenda and political leaning.
The numbers are not partisan
The people that quote them are though. And everyone's got a perspective or point of view which they are using numbers to support.
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superheavyrhun
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
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Originally Posted by
superheavyrhun
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
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Originally Posted by
superheavyrhun
Resorting to the UKIP approach of dealing with people who disagree with you isn't going to help you win the argument.
Well using the actual numbers didn't get through his fucking skull sooooo.....have any suggestions?
Numbers are about as fluid as the policies of political parties. No party is going to use numbers that paint them negatively, and will choose their numbers with care, therefore, while there is often one set of numbers that show one thing, there will be another set of statistics that show the polar opposite. Numbers may not lie, but they can be used to paint very different pictures depending on agenda and political leaning.
The numbers are not partisan
The people that quote them are though. And everyone's got a perspective or point of view which they are using numbers to support.
I pointed out what they were .....in order to point out what they were
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I am still expecting a super coalition. Don't forget how Labour and Tory united to stop Scotland being free and now the SNP is suddenly going to dictate things? I am not convinced that is going to be allowed. Notice the good cop/bad cop routine with Labour and Tory too? 'We will reduce student fees to 6000 pounds!'.....Well, let's all have some of that then! :cwm3: 6000 pounds.....a year! What are you paying for exactly? 'We will increase the minimum wage' by how much by 2020?.....Have they seen the cost of a house? 'We will.....'. Oh, I cannot continue. It's all bollocks. ;D
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Re: General Election 2015
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Gandalf
I am still expecting a super coalition. Don't forget how Labour and Tory united to stop Scotland being free and now the SNP is suddenly going to dictate things? I am not convinced that is going to be allowed. Notice the good cop/bad cop routine with Labour and Tory too? 'We will reduce student fees to 6000 pounds!'.....Well, let's all have some of that then! :cwm3: 6000 pounds.....a year! What are you paying for exactly? 'We will increase the minimum wage' by how much by 2020?.....Have they seen the cost of a house? 'We will.....'. Oh, I cannot continue. It's all bollocks. ;D
it really is all donkey dick Miles. Its a 3 or 4 headed beast with the same body. Apart from the Greens I guess. 6000 pounds a year bwAAAAAAAHAHAHA. No wonder we had so many UK students in the program in Malaysia. Frikkin got driven out by Tory/Labour charades.
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I feel really sorry for the young. They didn't do anything to deserve any of what they are inheriting. Be it property prices, the cost of education, zero hours contracts, dentist costs, the City of London, you name it and they are being fleeced and taken to the cleaners. Even council housing is being sold off en mass. I know I always get lectured for ever having a voice on this stuff, but it sucks. The Greens are the only party you could really vote for, but the system is set up. The Establishment really gambled big in robbing Scotland and it worked temporarily, yet they have completely lost Scotland now. Scotland is now the heart of the UK and I feel proud of them. They lost the referendum, but they are are the only sign of an active beating heart beyond all the property speculation and spitting on the vulnerable. Is that a novel on why I hate the poor being written in the background? I also understand why people like Memphis are going to vote UKIP. It's a shame that Labour betrayed not only Scotland, but the UK too. I wouldn't put it past them doing a deal with the Tories to keep Scotland out.
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I was in the process of replying to Ryans post but then got sent this and thought it was hilarious so am posting it instead.
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That has to be a wind up. Am I missing something?
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No, it's an actual UKIP flyer.
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Wow. Just wow. What can you say about something like that? It comes across as pure parody. Maybe thats the appeal. Weird.
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Re: General Election 2015
I don't see the issue, Local shops for local people. That's fair enough isn't it?
Royston Vasey already has one road, why would they want more?
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Gandalf
Wow. Just wow. What can you say about something like that? It comes across as pure parody. Maybe thats the appeal. Weird.
(:
Typical no tail
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Re: General Election 2015
UKIP are going to do nothing. Its all about the SNP now and I am curious to see how aquit themselves to being a voice for the people.
